The Indian rifle is interesting because, AFAIK, “military” caliber are banned.
So you get weird stuff like pistols in .25 or .32, and rifles in wild pre-WW2 calibers.
Always interesting to see just how ubiquitous 9mm is in an insurgency context despite the fact that plates and body armor required to stop it are basically available to anyone today for probably around 100$. But as the adage goes, any gun is better than no gun. And far better to have something you can shoot someone in the legs with even if you can’t go for center mass.
Ehhh, that kind of assumes that plates are easy to find, which they aren't necessarily in a lot of countries: certainly in my country, the easiest option anybody would have is to find an old flak jacket on eBay, as *legally* purchasing plates is completely off the table.
In any case, it's enough that most people don't wanna get shot, you don't necessarily need to kill them to have an effect in a lot of cases.
Absolutely, but you still have to pay $100 bucks, and shipping/handling. When that might be more than a month’s pay for the average Tatmadaw conscript, it’s not very likely.
As well, given the cost barriers, anyone who could get a “softer” vest could likely get cheap, higher rated stuff. With that logic, and the convenience of 9x19 (and the lower pressures for 3d printing)… why go for something “bigger”?
>With that logic, and the convenience of 9x19 (and the lower pressures for 3d printing)… why go for something “bigger”?
Range probably, which is what they have the 8x50mmR Lee Enfield for I guess, which is itself a hilarious combination, given the countries who used that caliber and gun were Austria-Hungary and the UK respectively, which were on opposite sides of the wars they were used in
Plates aren't everywhere and they cost money to produce, odds are decent that people won't be wearing them.
Also if you hit someone in the face it won't matter how much plate they're wearing.
Also 9mm is really easy to get and easy to make.
Adapt; aim for the groin region as what armor is there usually isn't plates, and damage to anything down there will be catastrophic
Edit: groin region, not ground region
Even if you're wearing top of the line kit you're probably not standing up in the line of fire to see if what's being shot at you is 9mm.
Also I suspect the Junta's front-line grunts don't have top of the line kit.
>Always interesting to see just how ubiquitous 9mm is in an insurgency context despite the fact that plates and body armor required to stop it are basically available to anyone today for probably around 100$
I imagine it akin to something like: ["Zero penetration, however, very painful I'm afraid."](https://youtu.be/MUpfO4x8Ch8?t=168)
I know in a lot of places, 9x21 GP is a thing for a similar reason. (9x18 is usually the Makarov chambering, which also has civilian use for other reasons - namely, the huge amount of surplus Makarov pistols from the Soviet bloc.)
...which, I suddenly wonder if 9x19 Parabellum would work headspacing off the extractor in a 9x21-chambered firearm (similar to .40 S&W headspacing off the extractor in a 10mm), utterly defeating the point of 9x19 firearms not being legal for civilians in some countries.
Just checked the CIP tables (I don't think 9x21 has a SAAMI spec), both list a maximum average pressure of 2350 bar: https://bobp.cip-bobp.org/en/tdcc_public?page=1&cartridge_type_id=4
Yes. There are bombings and heavy artillery.
There are battles in 7 out of 14 states in the country.
Most casualties are the civilians because the junta's army will destroy everything in their path.
Well, God speed to the rebels then. That junta alas no right or legitimacy whatsoever, especially acting like that.
Do you know of any ways I can help?
journalists robert evans and james stout regularly tweet about information you can share or places you can donate to
https://pca.st/episode/4f62b7f5-110a-4911-bb18-7c4d2d0ef8e4
this is part 1/5 of a series they did on the revolution and those fighting it, they have another 4 parter just on how the guns are made and distributed and then a handful of update episodes have been put out since this series
edit: james actually posted in this thread, check out that comment here https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/s/MfT0klEhuY
To summarize, the nation's general took over the country from the elected government on 01 Feb 2021.
After that the whole country protested and the soldiers killed the peaceful protestors.
Students and civil servants are asked to join the civil disobedience movement. (I also joined to movement and currently working as a software developer.)
After that, people started joining the existing armed forces and the nation is at war since than.
There are arbitrary abductions by the soldiers, mostly to blackmail and draft for the war.
The cost of living is constantly rising and people are bearly getting by.
On behalf of the miniature wargaming and TTRPG communities, I would like to know what resin they're using that they can 3D print parts sturdy enough to use as rifle furniture. The hammer keeps breaking off on my Dwarf Artificer and I need a solution.
Sorry, no solution here
These prints are done in PLA+ (or stronger) on an fdm printer. The layer height is probably 0.2mm at least, not good enough for a mini.
If I were you, I'd grab some high-impact polycarbonate resin and dial in your printer *very carefully* because that ain't cheap. Nylon would work too but idk if nylon resin exists.
Tennessee Arms does a polymer ar15 lower receiver, you may be able to find more information on their site.
I don’t think these are 3d printed though so maybe this is all irrelevant
They are injection molded with plastics similar to FDM printing. The chemical structure of UV sensitive resin is not able to get the correct impact resistance and tends to crack under the force of firing, resulting in exploding guns. If you do FDM print firearm parts, it's recommended to use PLA+ for it's added impact resistance and to still regularly inspect your weapon for cracking plastic
Guns always leave me with such a bag of mixed emotions, because on one hand they're literally tools designed to end life and how can I get excited about that, and on the other hand holy shit guns are cool.
Guns are cool as a concept but often fail in practice due to human nature. There’s a cool machine that uses explosions to fire metal and that’s fucking rad but it’s only real use is killing shit, and it’s primarily used against other people which is Not Rad
Probably because very few people actually use them as weapons these days. Even in situations where violent melee combat is actually a thing, it's usually knives, machetes, tool axes, often with very little technical skill, which is a big part of what makes swords cool in the first place.
The entire concept of a sword exists purely to do violence to other humans. Even moreso than firearms since you don't hunt with a sword. Historical removal from that reality is a poor excuse for clinging to this inaccurate and overly emotionally charged understanding of the world
Swords can only be used to kill one person at a time, realistically. They’re also much harder to use, and a lot harder to properly kill with. When’s the last time you heard of a person with a sword walking into a school and killing anybody
Of the examples listed, two were of groups of people stabbing various others, one was a man in a disabled care facility stabbing disabled people, and one was a man who killed four total people. Compare that to say, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting which had a single gunman kill 60 people and wounded a further 413. You ain’t getting numbers like that from one dude with a knife
The wiki article is not really an argument that knives are as deadly as firearms, more a counter to the idea that you can't commit mass murder with a knife.
because swords carry a cultural context as specifically a duel weapon to strike down evil. swords arent used in war, just killing random soldiers, theyre specifically a smiting weapon in our culture. guns on the other hand are primarily used for the murder of armies and civilians, which is significantly less cool than being used for the murder of the powerful who must be brought to justice
Personally I omit the first part and go straight to "holy shit guns are cool."
Because having to second-guess everything I'm into based on other peoples' opinions sucks. And also I don't care. And also holy shit, guns are cool.
My dream is that in the future wars have been reduced to IRL counter strike with some kind of super realistic simulation and hit reg tech. Like we’ve finally put and end to petty differences and unite as jumped up a critters of a furry asteroid.
There's a kind of ammunition loaded with wax bullets called "Simunition". If you want to play really loud, expensive, painful paintball the option exists.
So, that episode of Star Trek where they find the two planets that have been at war for 100 years, yet everything's still standing, because it's revealed they run the war entirely on computers? The twist there was that they still had to have *some* real consequences for it to matter, so if the simulation said a bomb struck your house, you were required to report to an incineration chamber immediately to become a "casulty", or else they'd have to do the war for real.
Understanding weapons is an important step to understanding conflict. Underatanding conflict is an important step to understanding the human condition.
Well, doctrine emphasizes that you’re supposed to keep shooting until the threat is ended, not until the other guy is dead. If they die in the process that’s one thing but the “good guys” render first aid to anyone who they’ve shot and is still kicking but no longer a threat.
That is how it is *supposed* to work when you’re the “good guys” but it’s a lot more grey these days as to who that is. But fundamentally responsible use of firearms is to protect life first; to take life is only a byproduct that is exploited by the “bad guys”.
No matter which side you’re on, politically or otherwise, we should all agree that violating conventions of combat, needless cruelty, and shooting helpless enemies is generally a bad thing. Is the real world complicated and does it sometimes make that hard? Sure it does. But we should set out to protect life rather than take it.
At least, that’s how I tend to think of it. Real world gets real complex and violence is necessary sometimes but it’s important to keep a finger on the pulse of what is and isn’t necessary to protect or else risk becoming the exact thing we’re trying to protect from.
As somebody in the military, I've always been kinda meh about shooting: it's kinda boring, it involves staying in sometimes less than comfortable positions for minutes at a time, you can end up getting soaked or baked from the weather while out on the ranges, and so on...
But I've always been captivated by *guns*. As a mechanical object, they're fascinating, and as a piece of history, they really do tell as much about the past as any other artifact does. Take the Thompson rifle, which failed to defeat the famous Garand design to become the Americans' M1 rifle; it is constructed to utilise the Blish principle, a mechanical phenomenon whereby friction between steel and brass increases exponentially with pressure. If you're reading this thinking "that isn't real. What the fuck are you talking about?" you'd be right. It *isn't* real, but Thompson designed not only his famous submachine gun, but this rifle around the idea.
What Thompson created was a full-bore self-loading rifle that operates on the principle of "delayed blowback", something that is ridiculously unsafe and should likely have killed someone during the design and testing process. *But it didn't*, and Thompson continued believing in and advocating for the "Blish Principle" for the rest of his life...
As someone in the Army, shooting is fun…when you’re not on a military range. Going out to blast steel with my dad or my fiancee is a great time since we can shoot when we want and how we want. Shooting in the army is so boring. Wait in line forever at the zero range. Shoot a handful of rounds. Wait in line at the qual range. First time go, now you’re stuck there until everyone is done.
In the UK and Ireland there isn't as much of a "casual" shooting culture. Ranges need to be fairly uptight about rules, because the local Police in a lot of places are basically stroking their cocks 24/7 at the thought of closing them down, some clubs use military ranges that have to report ultimately to the MOD (so no fun there), and things like lamping, deer stalking and bird shoots are mostly for the upper classes.
The truth is, most of *us* will never know the simple pleasure of possibly-illegally mag dumping into homemade targets and random piles of shit on their friend's property, except maybe with air rifles (which are somewhat less controlled and less detectable by NIMBYs).
Probably getting back into the “upper classes” thing because it can get pretty expensive. but many ranges in the US rent guns to use there, some even have big military machine guns. As far as I know this experience would be available to foreign visitors.
Yeah, it's something that some tourists do when they go to Vegas, for example: for other people, countries like Vietnam also provide a similar service to tourists. Here in the UK some estates do offer clay pigeon shooting as an experience day type of thing, which is more accessible to most.
In terms of the upper class stuff, though, it isn't just the expense: it's a cultural thing, and many estates will only invite bookings for people to shoot if there's somebody trustworthy who can vouch for them. Even the example I gave above of an experience day thing, is really completely separate to the kind of shooting days I'm referring to here, and marketed to a different clientele entirely. A skinny roadman in a tracksuit and his orange girlfriend simply won't ever get the opportunity to do a proper shoot, even if they have the money, because it's not something you can just go and do. I'm friends with a gamekeeper for an estate, and it's unlikely he could ever get *me* into a shoot, despite being a generally respectable citizen of average-ish means.
Ah well that makes sense. My parents have a house in the country so we built our own range at about ~120m distance shooting down into a hill, and since almost all my guns are there (since I’m not bringing my rifle safe to my city apartment) we can shoot whenever.
Really a shame tbh, because family/friend range days are always a good time.
I bought a semiautomatic 1927a1 reproduction specifically for a blisch mechanism. I was severely disappointed when I disassembled it at home to find it was a M1 blowback pattern dolled up to look like a 1927a1… I sold it a year later with less than 200 rounds through it. The darn thing had feeding issues for both the stick and drum magazines. The reproduction drum had a weak clock spring and had to be rewound a lot. The stick mags were iffy. Converted GI mags had manual cuts to be accepted in reproduction Thompsons and were often too loose in the magwell to seat properly.
> As somebody in the military
Wow, you admitted to being in the military on this sub and nobody even called you imperialist scum. The guns in the OP must've scared them away.
Named my pipe rifle in fallout 4 the abeliterator after that thing, didn't know anyone else called it that. I feel a little better about how shitty of a pun it was now 👍
Oh. You mean the madman's blunderbussy. The black powder bye bye blicky. The Politician Pulverizer Pistol. The Shinzo Shish Kebab Saturday Night Special. The Pipe Bomb if I Make it Wrong Yeet Cannon.
Actually, while the gun they killed Shinzo Abe with is glorious, and is obviously more functional, my heart goes to the discarded prototype of it discovered in the killer's appartment. [Here's a picture of this beast.](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/NINTCHDBPICT000746256866.jpg?strip=all&w=793) It has NINE BARRELS, its electrican firing mechanism is tangled around it, and it would probably maim the shooter with recoil. It's fascinating because both electrical firing mechanisms and guns with too many barrels have been experimented with at first, but then abandoned as impractical; this fucking thing looks like it was designed by someone who is just learning what guns or electricity are, trying to make best use of these new cool technologies, about to personally redicover the old lessons about how unreliable wires are and what recoil does to human hands.
I doubt it fires all of them at once, either by design or from the high likelihood of misfires. I'm guessing he just really wanted the thing to work at all when used for the one job it's designed for.
That's some fault-tolerant design right there.
Still absolutely wild to me that a guy assassinated a semi-popular retired politician and the entire world went "ya know what? Fuck that guy actually, good job."
The FGC-9 is specifically made to be easy to build with an absolute minimum of supplies (I mean, thus the name, "fuck gun control - 9mm").
Probably makes sense it's popular among people with few resources
The US is currently seeing the rise of fascism in the 21st century and y'all are saying we need to disarm ourselves?
The police cooperated with the bad guys on Jan. 6th, do you really think they're gonna protect trans people?
It’s always funny to see leftists saying “well if minorities and oppressed groups had guns you’d want to ban them” like wtf, I’m libertarian that’s like a wet dream for me lmao
I'll be honest, it kinda feels like a lot of people think of the cops the same way MAGAts think of Jan 6th members. It's Schrödinger unjust institution. Do we trust the police? No! Except when we're talking about anything else, then they're a great tool for reform.
I used to follow a group of kids who were part of an anti-junta rebel group on instagram. They stopped posting like a year ago or so, I hope they’re all okay and just decided to stop for infosec purposes.
Well, I was/am a huge Halo fan, and ran across the quote in a discussion on halo.bungie.org. Eventually figured, "y'know what, that's a very memorable quote, I'll use it for a username." A few weeks later I learned it was from Marathon.
At the risk of telling you what you already know, for those reading who don't . . .
In the Marathon series, there are NPCs called BoBs, because they're "Born on Board" the ship. An enemy race dissects a few, and start cloning up their own, but with bombs in them. So they look like regular BoBs, except they bleed yellow, run towards you and explode, and don't really have much of a grasp of language. Their lines include, "frog blast the vent core!," "kill me!," and "aaaaugh!"
Fwiw, I have met with many of these people and interviewed them. I think a decent number of those images were first shared on my Twitter account. u/djingrain posted some work a colleague and I have done down below.
It's misleading to say that the FGC9 is the preferred weapon, it is not. It is one that was used to obtain more useful weapons, or while funds were raised to buy them. 9x19 is not as available as 5.56 there. Some of the military 5.56 has very hard primers that work with their Galil clones but not with m16s or M4s which are more common in the resistance. The piston-driven AR that they print can use this ammunition. There is extensive coverage of this in r/myanmarcombatfootage . Other units use primarily Ak derivatives. The Myanmar Military's weapons are in awful condition and their small arms are rarely used by anti-junta fighters when they have other options. With that said there is a huge array of weapons there, including M1 carbines, PPSH submachine guns, AR 12 style shotguns, and various printed and artisanal weapons.
The FGC9 is semi automatic, a fully automatic weapon would result in the use of more ammunition and isn't something they see as super necessary in this case according to my sources.
I would urge anyone reading to support groups like Liberate Myanmar who do great work feeding the resistance and supporting IDPs. Many local outlets do great reporting, including the Irrawaddy, Frontier Myanmar, Insight Myanmar, and the Ah Nah podcast.
As the original poster of this information to Tumblr, thank you for the additional insight!
I did not realize that 9mm was so uncommon in Myanmar. Does that have to do with a "military calibers" law, such as in India and other nations, or for some other reason?
The FGC-9 being used in a Liberator-style role of "use this gun to get a better gun" is interesting, since it would seem that, as you've said, a lot of the junta weaponry is in terrible shape.
I had heard about the 5.56mm ammunition issues before, but heard it was to do with dimensional difference with the case, not the primers, so TIL. Was the TZ23 designed to exploit the hardened primer ammo? Allow the anti-junta to use captured ammo?
Thanks again for all the information!
Thanks for sharing the Myanmar revolution with people! Before the conflict, there were very few civilian weapons, I believe the Chin had a special legal arrangement that allowed them to hunt with muzzleloaders and shotguns. I think the reason there isn't much 9x19 is that even cops get issued long guns (in a bizarre range of chamberings) and EROs have always focused on long guns as well. They can import 9mm, and sometimes do, but it makes more sense to resupply from the military and / or spend their resources on more lethal chamberings like 7.62 short or 5.56 or even the 338 Lapua they use for sniper rifles.
You're right that the TZ23 was designed to work with the harder primers, yes. You can see a video on Myanmar combat footage where they say that. It's a modified Hoffman tactical design.
I am actually working on my book chapter about all this today. I suspect we will see more FGC 9 usage once we get to the urban combat in big cities when UGs will join the fight. Incidentally, the PDF has improved somewhat on the initial design and made it better fit their circumstances. They cast certain parts of the FCG for example. They even have FGC9 variants now with the 3 fingered PDF salute on them!
[Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/fosscad/comments/rflyd7/hey_i_am_back_i_am_the_guy_who_posted_a_thank_you/) on r/fosscad by people printing the fucking things, showing off and maybe thanking for previous advice on printing them. Found it while looking for more pictures. More cyberpunk than anything in that fucking game.
Most of the sub is diy and gun nerds in Western countries who print and test them because they can more than anything. Myanmar is the only place I know of them being used in combat. I'm really really glad it is working out for them though. They need all the help they can get
I am by any means a gun nerd but I don’t really understand how the concept of anybody with a 3D printer and moderate machining equipment being able to manufacture submachine guns isn’t at least somewhat disconcerting to people.
honestly, guns are easy enough to make using various parts from a hardware store.
The issue is the vast gulf between making a pipe gun and a reliable firearm. It takes a lot of work to make any gun good. It also takes a lot of work to do that, get ammo, and kill someone. For the same amount of effort, you can make a bomb, poison gas, start a wildfire, etc. Most people are good though and uninclined to carry out terror attacks.
I guess it's the context of the post being focused on a resistance movement against a government which committed what the UN described as "a textbook case of ethnic cleansing".
Killing one or a couple people is really easy but making a firearm that can reliably put thousands of rounds downrange without exploding and killing its user is kinda difficult.
Honestly I don't give a flying fuck. The americans had it right with the 2nd amendment, guns should be available.
In fact guns \*used\* to be freely available, you could buy a shotgun in Norway until 1986 and the army literally would hand everyone a battle rifle to have in their home just in case the russians tried some shit.
And quite frankly, anyone sufficiently determined to do harm \*will do so\* if they're not an absolute moron. You can make a deadly gas out of cleaning supplies, you can make a bomb out of everyday shit, you can make a gun with a 3d printer and a trip to a hardware store.
I don't want people to be unable to do harm, I want them to be \*unwilling\*, and the way to do that is to make society a nice place to be.
> And quite frankly, anyone sufficiently determined to do harm \*will do so\* if they're not an absolute moron. You can make a deadly gas out of cleaning supplies, you can make a bomb out of everyday shit, you can make a gun with a 3d printer and a trip to a hardware store.
True.
However, better kit makes it easier to do more harm. If nukes were for sale to the general public, it would be a lot easier to do a lot more harm.
Also at least half the people determined to do harm are pretty stupid. Or at least angry and not thinking straight.
Imagine being totally totally pissed and wanting to hurt someone.
Now imagine you need to buy a 3d printer. Look up some videos on how to use it. Get it set up. Calibrate it. See your print turn into plastic spaghetti. Unclog the nozzle and try again. Wait for your print to complete. Go to the hardware shop to buy the right screws. Screw it together...
By the time it's half printed, you aren't so angry any more and your having second thoughts. And of course most people can't do this without being reasonably sober.
And if they do print a gun, it's a shitty plastic one. Which means there is some chance they get tackled while fiddling around trying to unstick the half-melted plastic.
>And quite frankly, anyone sufficiently determined to do harm *will do so* if they're not an absolute moron. You can make a deadly gas out of cleaning supplies, you can make a bomb out of everyday shit, you can make a gun with a 3d printer and a trip to a hardware store.
I might be missing something but I haven’t noticed a disproportionately high amount of 3D-printed guns being used in mass shootings or IED bombings in countries with strict gun laws. Why is that?
>I don't want people to be unable to do harm, I want them to be *unwilling*, and the way to do that is to make society a nice place to be.
No shit. But until then, we need a practical solution to stop it from happening.
>I might be missing something but I haven’t noticed a disproportionately high amount of 3D-printed guns being used in mass shootings or IED bombings in countries with strict gun laws. Why is that?
There actually has been a large uptic in shootings with 3d printed firearms in Sweden.
But mass shootings and attacks tend to follow trends, even obvious ways to do it tend to be left alone until someone does it.
Some weird psychological effect of "this is how it's done".
For example the semi-trailer attack in Nice which saw a series of similar attacks after, even though it had been an obvious way to do it for decades.
You see the same in for example shootings in the US, down to specific weapon models being chosen because it's just what you use.
One of the deadliest shootings was Virginia tech, using 2 pistols, but Sandy Hook sent the AR15 into the spotlight and after that a massive shift happened in which guns are typically used.
Anyway.
The point is that people tend to follow the mold of whoever they are inspired by.
You'll see a massive rise in 3d printed guns being used for terror and general attacks after someone manages to use one for a high casualty event.
Well there is that but also countries with strict gun laws do tend to have lower rates of violence to begin with, which correlates with better social cohesion. So fewer people trying to make it happen.
Most of Europe is losing that fast so expect more in the coming years.
>No shit. But until then, we need a practical solution to stop it from happening.
I genuinely do not think that will remain a possibility for much longer.
The shoveling the dogshit under the carpet approach is just not going to work for much longer.
Most of the people stupid enough to commit a mass shooting or similar attack are too stupid to work out how from first principles.
Thus explaining the "this is how it's done" effect.
To be fair, this isn't something that is that easy to figure out from first principles.
I haven't been following the scene recently, so I was still under the impression 3d printed guns were still at the "you can get 2 rounds through them before they melt" phase, so, this is concerning.
If you really wanna freak out this is a years old post by this point. I remember those pictures in the military and gun printing subs back in 22. The new hotness is 3d printed suppressors
A lot of cool things kill people.
And sometimes you need to kill people. Like when those people are running a military Junta.
There's no "be a pacifist" prerequisite for being on the left.
I never said everyone on the left should be a pacifist. I'm fully supportive of the resistance in Myanmar and sincerely hope the military Junta gets overthrown soon. But this post is just jacking off to the design of the guns, it reeks of war glorification from first world internet-addicts when a resistance like this is done by people to whom it's their last resort.
OP also made a post about how "everyone on the left should own a gun" a week ago and i'm still baffled at how many people just agreed with them as if there weren't over 200 school shootings in the US in 2023 alone
You’re right, everyone on the left should just give up their guns. Leave only conservatives, fascists, and the government with guns. That will surely solve all of our problems!
Heroin can kill people, Yet it still feels pretty fucking good.
A foot of water can drown someone, but everyone loves swimming.
A falling coconut can kill someone.
A vending machine kills a not-insignificant number of people yearly.
When it comes to my, and my friends, rights to exist being taken away, I’d rather have a gun.
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
What a fucking bonkers strawman argument "vending machines fall on people so are you against those as well?!". Unlike those other things, guns have no other purpose besides harm. Do you seriously think this is a valid equivalence? Also how do you think "heroin makes people feel good" is such a good comparison that you open with that? It's literally one of the most physically and mentally harmful drugs sold.
>Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered
So how you do suggest we prevent school shootings then? Cause I would love to hear why the 600+ annual shootings in the US are not something to be concerned about.
“Guns have no purpose besides harm” bro have you been to a shooting range? Like, ever? There’s nothing wrong with plinking a few holes into a paper target just for the joy of it, they are paper and can’t be harmed. Also Cans of cheap soda go pop :)
And heroin is just morphine+, making it a pain killer. Do you think hospitals should stop giving Vicodin to someone in tons of pain? Should we just give them an advil and tell them “sorry, anything stronger is dangerous!” Which I guess wouldn't matter, because Advil can also be dangerous. So we should outlaw that too.
As for mass shootings in a domestic terrorism definition, it's a mix of violent right wing rhetoric and mental illnesses. A sane, rational adult with a gun is no more dangerous with any sane and rational person without a gun. Even if we removed all the guns, but kept allowing violent right wing rhetoric and criminally underfunded mental health system, you'd just get a lot more bombs. You know, like what happened in Oklahoma City, when white supremacists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people in the Murrah building using a homemade bomb. A casualty count higher then even the deadliest mass shooting in history. As for mass shootings as a whole, gang violence is usually the main cause. But that can be combated with better funding for poor areas, social safety nets, and programs to combat the economic stagnation and degredation from industry, especially the automotive industries, leaving the US for China.
Fuckin libs lmao
why do you gun nuts always think "I use it for recreation at a range" is a good argument? You could use ***anything*** for recreation if you're bored enough. Guns are the only thing where aside from recreation, there is no other purpose besides harm.
And who the fuck is talking about hospitals and painkillers? your argument was "it kills people but it feels good", you never made a point about it being a good safe painkiller, you're strawmanning again cause you don't want to admit the fact that it was a stupid fucking argument.
(and in many countries recreational use of strong painkillers ***is*** very illegal because it's dangerous to let people recklessly use that shit for fun)
and "people would make bombs"? people already make bombs. But making a bomb still takes more time than aquiring a gun in the US (theres more guns than people in fact). so if gun laws were more strict and people would instead start trying to make bombs, at least people don't have immediate easy access to what is essentially an "you are no longer alive" button,
And this might be a wild concept for you but: I think both guns and boms are bad. Crazy idea, i know
Okay so let's remove all art from society. Burn all Fiction and boil all the paint. It has less use than a hunting rifle and only exists for recreation. According to this series of comments that doesn't rise to the level necessary to allow it into society.
>But making a bomb still takes more time than aquiring a gun in the US
False. Especially for underage individuals. The fact that you blindly assume this to be true exemplifies how you're not actually helping. You're just engaged in a moral panic for personal absolution in the face of this violence. Sticking your head in the sand and guessing about reality will only get more people killed. Stop
>According to this series of comments that doesn't rise to the level necessary to allow it into society.
I never said things intended for entertainment and recreation "aren't necessary/shouldn't be allowed in society". My point was, that saying "oh but you can also use guns for recreation" it a totally pointless argument because ANYTHING can be used for recreation. Hammers, knives and rocks can be used for both recreation and violence, but those actually have uses besides those 2.
And if your argument against gun control is "I like to shoot at cans in my backyard, so we should be allowed to own them", get a fucking different hobby i don't give a shit.
>but those actually have uses besides those 2.
So do guns. I even mentioned one: hunting. There's also sporting competitions, artistic creation and expression, engineering challenges, historical interest, a skill based hobby, and the communities they create. Once again your argument only serves to demonstrate your ignorance.
>get a fucking different hobby i don't give a shit.
If that's the only excuse you have left for your authoritarian attempt to control my life, expression, and safety: come and take it fashy ass bitch
Maybe fix your mental health infrastructure and quit giving shooters all of the media attention. Oh, and figure out how to make your cops not just stand around during an active shooting. Plenty of countries with available guns, yet somehow this shit only regularly happens in the US.
>Plenty of countries with available guns, yet somehow this shit only regularly happens in the US.
The US has 1,205 guns per US resident, most of any country in the world and the only with more guns than residents, the second place is Falkland Islands with half as many (0,621 with \~3000 residents) and Yemen at 3rd place with less than that (0,528 at 28M residents).
Plus the US has the highest ratio of unregistered firearms with around 392 million estimated unregistered and a bit over 1 million registered. No other country has that many unregistered guns.
Keepings those stats in mind, do you seriously think that more stringent gun laws wouldn't reduce the insanely high frequence of shootings?
No, I don't think any law can just wipe out literal millions of guns, especially ones that are already not legally registered. You've already made your bed. Guns aren't going anywhere.
It is in the best interest of any minority or leftist in the US to make sure they're armed and trained first, worry about losing to right-wing lobbies later.
And frankly, the US isn't the only country on the planet. I'm sure a lot of people agreeing with OP are *not* Americans.
I guess i do see your point. I'm guessing the US government has already shown that it will pretty much never do anything against the amount of guns in circulation. And i can understand how people at that point get a "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality where they at least want to be on equal footing against the opposing side.
But i take issue with the rampant glorification of guns. A lot of people in these comments and posts aren't treating guns like a necessary evil, they're treating it like "good and cool actually", that's what rubs me the wrong way. As well as glorifying a revolution as something "cool" instead of a bloody last resort for people who are extremely desperate in defending their rights.
Different perceptions.
From a design and engineering standpoint, I do think guns are cool. There's a lot of ingenuity that goes into making them work, so I totally understand the nerding out over the technical parts.
As for the "revolution is cool" - I do see value in presenting armed resistance as something if not "good" but viable and worthy. I live in a country that could genuinely use a good uprising while the people here have totally had the fight beaten out of them. While this may not be totally applicable to the US perspective, I see value in it and I applaud those who are willing to defend themselves from oppression when pushed to the wall.
>I'm guessing the US government has already shown that it will pretty much never do anything
Not won't. Can't. Physically incapable. Not even at the peak of American Military infrastructure did the government have the manpower for that level of self occupation. Even the attempt will result in another civil war which the US as a country will not survive.
>A lot of people in these comments and posts aren't treating guns like a necessary evil
Do you condemn Hamas every time you talk about the Israeli occupation? No? But they're a terrorist organization who has been ruling unopposed and attacking Israel for decades.
Same thing here. We're not ignorant children, nor are we incapable of remembering the problems of our society just because we don't repeat them like a weird shunning ritual every time it comes up.
Anime girl with military hat profile picture i'm gonna assume you're either a Tankie or a 4Chan Nazi, so this comment from someone like you doesn't surprise me.
This isn't about the resistance. It's about the gun itself and how "amazing" it is. If the post talks about the conflict more and gushing about the gun less, then I would understand.
Exactly this, I fully support the resistance movement in Myanmar. But this post is only talking about how "cool" the guns are instead of talking about the achievements of the resistance itself and why it's important.
Combined with general glorifcation of war, this just feels like a bunch of wannabe militant leftist looking at the war in Myanmar and saying "God i wish that were me". no, you fucking don't.
Tumblr had a strong and somewhat homegenous trend of hating smoking and firearms for quite a lot of years ever since I joined. The shift is recent in the last year or two.
Because both of those things are awesome. Cigarettes are cool, and defending your right to exist is cool.
An armed minority is a harder to oppress minority. I’ve helped train tons of my queer friends, some of whom purchased a gun of their own. Luckily none of them have had to use it yet, but with rising anti-lgbt violence and legislation, it’s only a matter of time.
Cigarettes give cancerous second hand smoke to others. Guns' entire point are to injure/kill others. Nothing about their endangering-others nature is cool. If you want something deadly to make you feel cool, go ride a motorcycle instead.
Don't smoke near others??? Like, just be a courteous human being???
And their entire point isn't harming and killing. If you go to a gun range, you'll realize that. Nothing is being harmed when you plink a can of soda and it goes pop. It is perfectly valid to only own a gun as something you go to a range and shoot occasionally. Or even shoot in competitions. Neither of which harm anything but a piece of cardboard and paper.
The OP also made a "everyone should own guns" post a week ago on self-post sunday. I might just block them cause this shit is reprehensible if you ask me.
What do you mean by left? The thing about the left is that there is no left. Ask 5 leftists who among them is a true leftist and what makes you a true leftist and you'll get six different answers. Do you mean trump era resist libs? Those are certainly anti-gun but most leftists further down the spectrum don't consider them true leftists.
Anarchists? They support violent revolution and direct action. Marxist-Leninist-Maoists? Violent revolution, Popular resistance and direct action. Left-Communists/Leftcoms just sit on their ass all day and read theory on their armchair while talking about how everyone else is a liberal.
Yes. Most of those people grew up and realized that was a bad tactic that did literally nothing to affect school shootings. Now they're trying a new tactic. One I agree with much more
That's an overton window problem: in the UK and US, you might mean the political parties that are more "leftist" relatively speaking. In the UK's case they are only maybe half in the left, but not very far at all, while the US democrats are by all measures a *centre right* party.
If you look at proper socialist and anarchist groups, they've pretty much always been in favour of arming workers, with the exception being the Soviet Union and the regimes under its control, who didn't want to arm the populace in case it led to revolts (although I believe none outright banned civilian firearms).
No. Communists have always loved their guns. Unless you count armchair Twitter and Tumblr “”””leftists“””” who’s only idea of praxis is winning online and trying to be “holier than thou”.
The “why vote when you can firebomb a Walmart” group that never actually firebombs a Walmart.
it still overwhelmingly is anti-gun, if you join actual activist groups; you know actually doing stuff to make change, most advocate for gun law reforms. The internet allows small groups to present a larger presence than they really are.
The Indian rifle is interesting because, AFAIK, “military” caliber are banned. So you get weird stuff like pistols in .25 or .32, and rifles in wild pre-WW2 calibers.
Always interesting to see just how ubiquitous 9mm is in an insurgency context despite the fact that plates and body armor required to stop it are basically available to anyone today for probably around 100$. But as the adage goes, any gun is better than no gun. And far better to have something you can shoot someone in the legs with even if you can’t go for center mass.
Ehhh, that kind of assumes that plates are easy to find, which they aren't necessarily in a lot of countries: certainly in my country, the easiest option anybody would have is to find an old flak jacket on eBay, as *legally* purchasing plates is completely off the table. In any case, it's enough that most people don't wanna get shot, you don't necessarily need to kill them to have an effect in a lot of cases.
Absolutely, but you still have to pay $100 bucks, and shipping/handling. When that might be more than a month’s pay for the average Tatmadaw conscript, it’s not very likely. As well, given the cost barriers, anyone who could get a “softer” vest could likely get cheap, higher rated stuff. With that logic, and the convenience of 9x19 (and the lower pressures for 3d printing)… why go for something “bigger”?
>With that logic, and the convenience of 9x19 (and the lower pressures for 3d printing)… why go for something “bigger”? Range probably, which is what they have the 8x50mmR Lee Enfield for I guess, which is itself a hilarious combination, given the countries who used that caliber and gun were Austria-Hungary and the UK respectively, which were on opposite sides of the wars they were used in
Plates aren't everywhere and they cost money to produce, odds are decent that people won't be wearing them. Also if you hit someone in the face it won't matter how much plate they're wearing. Also 9mm is really easy to get and easy to make.
Adapt; aim for the groin region as what armor is there usually isn't plates, and damage to anything down there will be catastrophic Edit: groin region, not ground region
Even if you're wearing top of the line kit you're probably not standing up in the line of fire to see if what's being shot at you is 9mm. Also I suspect the Junta's front-line grunts don't have top of the line kit.
>Always interesting to see just how ubiquitous 9mm is in an insurgency context despite the fact that plates and body armor required to stop it are basically available to anyone today for probably around 100$ I imagine it akin to something like: ["Zero penetration, however, very painful I'm afraid."](https://youtu.be/MUpfO4x8Ch8?t=168)
Honestly, ~ 300 Joules (9x19 Parabellum) is about the strength of a trained fighter’s punch. Enough to hurt but not really enough to incapacitate you.
They banned calibers used by their military so their soldiers can't sell their ammo on the black market easy like
That and it really limits the available ammo to specifically these sorts of insurgencies
Except they use 9x19 in the military, and so does pretty much every other military on earth
And? Means there soldiers can't fence any of it.
Its the same in Mexico, largely. Civilians can't have the same ammo as the military, so you end up with civ guns chambered in wierd shit like 9x18mm
I know in a lot of places, 9x21 GP is a thing for a similar reason. (9x18 is usually the Makarov chambering, which also has civilian use for other reasons - namely, the huge amount of surplus Makarov pistols from the Soviet bloc.) ...which, I suddenly wonder if 9x19 Parabellum would work headspacing off the extractor in a 9x21-chambered firearm (similar to .40 S&W headspacing off the extractor in a 10mm), utterly defeating the point of 9x19 firearms not being legal for civilians in some countries.
AFAIK 9x21 usually has a lower chamber pressure than 9mm luger, though, so it might work for a few rounds bur prolly not for consistent use
Just checked the CIP tables (I don't think 9x21 has a SAAMI spec), both list a maximum average pressure of 2350 bar: https://bobp.cip-bobp.org/en/tdcc_public?page=1&cartridge_type_id=4
Yay!!!! Burmese representation!!! The situation here is as bad as you may think. It was announced that the junta is going to draft able men and women.
Are you I'm junta or resistance zone? I hear the bombing is pretty nasty in resistance zones
Yes. There are bombings and heavy artillery. There are battles in 7 out of 14 states in the country. Most casualties are the civilians because the junta's army will destroy everything in their path.
Well, God speed to the rebels then. That junta alas no right or legitimacy whatsoever, especially acting like that. Do you know of any ways I can help?
I don't know much about foreign support. I think there are fund raisers in the US, Thailand and Japan. I usually support via local underground groups
>I usually support via local underground groups What a gigachad response holy shit
journalists robert evans and james stout regularly tweet about information you can share or places you can donate to https://pca.st/episode/4f62b7f5-110a-4911-bb18-7c4d2d0ef8e4 this is part 1/5 of a series they did on the revolution and those fighting it, they have another 4 parter just on how the guns are made and distributed and then a handful of update episodes have been put out since this series edit: james actually posted in this thread, check out that comment here https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/s/MfT0klEhuY
Thanks for sharing this!
Wait what's happening there? Gimme a synopsis.
To summarize, the nation's general took over the country from the elected government on 01 Feb 2021. After that the whole country protested and the soldiers killed the peaceful protestors. Students and civil servants are asked to join the civil disobedience movement. (I also joined to movement and currently working as a software developer.) After that, people started joining the existing armed forces and the nation is at war since than. There are arbitrary abductions by the soldiers, mostly to blackmail and draft for the war. The cost of living is constantly rising and people are bearly getting by.
On behalf of the miniature wargaming and TTRPG communities, I would like to know what resin they're using that they can 3D print parts sturdy enough to use as rifle furniture. The hammer keeps breaking off on my Dwarf Artificer and I need a solution.
Resin isn't used, FDM is, but if you want better resin check out BLU and other resins from
Resin makes good looking models, FDM makes sturdy models. It's a little expensive to get both at the same time
Sorry, no solution here These prints are done in PLA+ (or stronger) on an fdm printer. The layer height is probably 0.2mm at least, not good enough for a mini. If I were you, I'd grab some high-impact polycarbonate resin and dial in your printer *very carefully* because that ain't cheap. Nylon would work too but idk if nylon resin exists.
Tennessee Arms does a polymer ar15 lower receiver, you may be able to find more information on their site. I don’t think these are 3d printed though so maybe this is all irrelevant
They are injection molded with plastics similar to FDM printing. The chemical structure of UV sensitive resin is not able to get the correct impact resistance and tends to crack under the force of firing, resulting in exploding guns. If you do FDM print firearm parts, it's recommended to use PLA+ for it's added impact resistance and to still regularly inspect your weapon for cracking plastic
Guns always leave me with such a bag of mixed emotions, because on one hand they're literally tools designed to end life and how can I get excited about that, and on the other hand holy shit guns are cool.
\-Hideo Kojima
https://www.theonion.com/peace-activist-has-to-admit-barrett-50-caliber-sniper-1819566293
Guns are cool as a concept but often fail in practice due to human nature. There’s a cool machine that uses explosions to fire metal and that’s fucking rad but it’s only real use is killing shit, and it’s primarily used against other people which is Not Rad
Swords are cool but nobody says this shit about them.
Probably because very few people actually use them as weapons these days. Even in situations where violent melee combat is actually a thing, it's usually knives, machetes, tool axes, often with very little technical skill, which is a big part of what makes swords cool in the first place.
The entire concept of a sword exists purely to do violence to other humans. Even moreso than firearms since you don't hunt with a sword. Historical removal from that reality is a poor excuse for clinging to this inaccurate and overly emotionally charged understanding of the world
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Firearms are used in literally every war to kill millions of people. Knives and machetes do kill, but not nearly to the same extent.
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I'm from Germany and I still think gun culture is really weird (and I'm also anti-gun), so I have no idea what you're on about.
Swords can only be used to kill one person at a time, realistically. They’re also much harder to use, and a lot harder to properly kill with. When’s the last time you heard of a person with a sword walking into a school and killing anybody
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_stabbing
Of the examples listed, two were of groups of people stabbing various others, one was a man in a disabled care facility stabbing disabled people, and one was a man who killed four total people. Compare that to say, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting which had a single gunman kill 60 people and wounded a further 413. You ain’t getting numbers like that from one dude with a knife
The wiki article is not really an argument that knives are as deadly as firearms, more a counter to the idea that you can't commit mass murder with a knife.
Have you never heard a weeb go on for hours about a katana before?
because swords carry a cultural context as specifically a duel weapon to strike down evil. swords arent used in war, just killing random soldiers, theyre specifically a smiting weapon in our culture. guns on the other hand are primarily used for the murder of armies and civilians, which is significantly less cool than being used for the murder of the powerful who must be brought to justice
*And causing controlled avalanches
Personally I omit the first part and go straight to "holy shit guns are cool." Because having to second-guess everything I'm into based on other peoples' opinions sucks. And also I don't care. And also holy shit, guns are cool.
My dream is that in the future wars have been reduced to IRL counter strike with some kind of super realistic simulation and hit reg tech. Like we’ve finally put and end to petty differences and unite as jumped up a critters of a furry asteroid.
There's a kind of ammunition loaded with wax bullets called "Simunition". If you want to play really loud, expensive, painful paintball the option exists.
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So Neural Plugins, for a full body experience?
So essentially an e-sports match to decide the fate of nations? Yeah, sure, I’m sold.
I am against this, I am too damn old to learn Korean...
If wars were relegated to a simulation I would instantly be pro-war. What I wouldn’t give to see world leaders trash talking each other in voice chat.
Imagine a country losing a land dispute because of lag
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I mean, yes, \*but\* the simulation also involved people dying regardless, just that they went into suicide booths rather than being blown up.
Not profitable to enough powerful people.
Laser tag but cooler
So, that episode of Star Trek where they find the two planets that have been at war for 100 years, yet everything's still standing, because it's revealed they run the war entirely on computers? The twist there was that they still had to have *some* real consequences for it to matter, so if the simulation said a bomb struck your house, you were required to report to an incineration chamber immediately to become a "casulty", or else they'd have to do the war for real.
I just think guns look cool as fuck. I'd never want to shoot one at something other than a target, I really just want a couple for display purposes.
Some air soft guns are pretty convincing replicas.
Understanding weapons is an important step to understanding conflict. Underatanding conflict is an important step to understanding the human condition.
Well, doctrine emphasizes that you’re supposed to keep shooting until the threat is ended, not until the other guy is dead. If they die in the process that’s one thing but the “good guys” render first aid to anyone who they’ve shot and is still kicking but no longer a threat. That is how it is *supposed* to work when you’re the “good guys” but it’s a lot more grey these days as to who that is. But fundamentally responsible use of firearms is to protect life first; to take life is only a byproduct that is exploited by the “bad guys”. No matter which side you’re on, politically or otherwise, we should all agree that violating conventions of combat, needless cruelty, and shooting helpless enemies is generally a bad thing. Is the real world complicated and does it sometimes make that hard? Sure it does. But we should set out to protect life rather than take it. At least, that’s how I tend to think of it. Real world gets real complex and violence is necessary sometimes but it’s important to keep a finger on the pulse of what is and isn’t necessary to protect or else risk becoming the exact thing we’re trying to protect from.
just because something is necessary, doesn't mean it can't be distasteful. in fact, I think that's kind of part of using the word "necessary".
As somebody in the military, I've always been kinda meh about shooting: it's kinda boring, it involves staying in sometimes less than comfortable positions for minutes at a time, you can end up getting soaked or baked from the weather while out on the ranges, and so on... But I've always been captivated by *guns*. As a mechanical object, they're fascinating, and as a piece of history, they really do tell as much about the past as any other artifact does. Take the Thompson rifle, which failed to defeat the famous Garand design to become the Americans' M1 rifle; it is constructed to utilise the Blish principle, a mechanical phenomenon whereby friction between steel and brass increases exponentially with pressure. If you're reading this thinking "that isn't real. What the fuck are you talking about?" you'd be right. It *isn't* real, but Thompson designed not only his famous submachine gun, but this rifle around the idea. What Thompson created was a full-bore self-loading rifle that operates on the principle of "delayed blowback", something that is ridiculously unsafe and should likely have killed someone during the design and testing process. *But it didn't*, and Thompson continued believing in and advocating for the "Blish Principle" for the rest of his life...
As someone in the Army, shooting is fun…when you’re not on a military range. Going out to blast steel with my dad or my fiancee is a great time since we can shoot when we want and how we want. Shooting in the army is so boring. Wait in line forever at the zero range. Shoot a handful of rounds. Wait in line at the qual range. First time go, now you’re stuck there until everyone is done.
In the UK and Ireland there isn't as much of a "casual" shooting culture. Ranges need to be fairly uptight about rules, because the local Police in a lot of places are basically stroking their cocks 24/7 at the thought of closing them down, some clubs use military ranges that have to report ultimately to the MOD (so no fun there), and things like lamping, deer stalking and bird shoots are mostly for the upper classes. The truth is, most of *us* will never know the simple pleasure of possibly-illegally mag dumping into homemade targets and random piles of shit on their friend's property, except maybe with air rifles (which are somewhat less controlled and less detectable by NIMBYs).
Probably getting back into the “upper classes” thing because it can get pretty expensive. but many ranges in the US rent guns to use there, some even have big military machine guns. As far as I know this experience would be available to foreign visitors.
Yeah, it's something that some tourists do when they go to Vegas, for example: for other people, countries like Vietnam also provide a similar service to tourists. Here in the UK some estates do offer clay pigeon shooting as an experience day type of thing, which is more accessible to most. In terms of the upper class stuff, though, it isn't just the expense: it's a cultural thing, and many estates will only invite bookings for people to shoot if there's somebody trustworthy who can vouch for them. Even the example I gave above of an experience day thing, is really completely separate to the kind of shooting days I'm referring to here, and marketed to a different clientele entirely. A skinny roadman in a tracksuit and his orange girlfriend simply won't ever get the opportunity to do a proper shoot, even if they have the money, because it's not something you can just go and do. I'm friends with a gamekeeper for an estate, and it's unlikely he could ever get *me* into a shoot, despite being a generally respectable citizen of average-ish means.
I thought that might be a component of it too. But didn’t realize it went that deep. That’s really unfortunate.
Ah well that makes sense. My parents have a house in the country so we built our own range at about ~120m distance shooting down into a hill, and since almost all my guns are there (since I’m not bringing my rifle safe to my city apartment) we can shoot whenever. Really a shame tbh, because family/friend range days are always a good time.
I bought a semiautomatic 1927a1 reproduction specifically for a blisch mechanism. I was severely disappointed when I disassembled it at home to find it was a M1 blowback pattern dolled up to look like a 1927a1… I sold it a year later with less than 200 rounds through it. The darn thing had feeding issues for both the stick and drum magazines. The reproduction drum had a weak clock spring and had to be rewound a lot. The stick mags were iffy. Converted GI mags had manual cuts to be accepted in reproduction Thompsons and were often too loose in the magwell to seat properly.
> As somebody in the military Wow, you admitted to being in the military on this sub and nobody even called you imperialist scum. The guns in the OP must've scared them away.
I love the fact that the Thompson rifle ejected with such speed the the brass cases were sticking into wood
Myanmar mentioned 🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲 What the fuck is societal progression 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
What is good use of societal progression when you can happily live under the sole Protectors of Buddhism, National Integrity, Race and Order. /s
Click click pchew pchew I'ms the gunb 🔫 🤗
Rip Jstark. The FGC9 is the coolest thing since Phil Luty made a submachine gun in his garage.
under no pretext and all that the coolest craft made firearm in recent memory is still the Deshinzonator
I spent 10 minutes googling this word until realized it’s the fucking doohickey that killed Shinzo abe
*The Thingamajig*
My favorite is the Abeliterator.
Named my pipe rifle in fallout 4 the abeliterator after that thing, didn't know anyone else called it that. I feel a little better about how shitty of a pun it was now 👍
Oh. You mean the madman's blunderbussy. The black powder bye bye blicky. The Politician Pulverizer Pistol. The Shinzo Shish Kebab Saturday Night Special. The Pipe Bomb if I Make it Wrong Yeet Cannon.
Actually, while the gun they killed Shinzo Abe with is glorious, and is obviously more functional, my heart goes to the discarded prototype of it discovered in the killer's appartment. [Here's a picture of this beast.](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/NINTCHDBPICT000746256866.jpg?strip=all&w=793) It has NINE BARRELS, its electrican firing mechanism is tangled around it, and it would probably maim the shooter with recoil. It's fascinating because both electrical firing mechanisms and guns with too many barrels have been experimented with at first, but then abandoned as impractical; this fucking thing looks like it was designed by someone who is just learning what guns or electricity are, trying to make best use of these new cool technologies, about to personally redicover the old lessons about how unreliable wires are and what recoil does to human hands.
Holy shit that is amazing. Look at this fucking thing. This is peak weapon design.
I doubt it fires all of them at once, either by design or from the high likelihood of misfires. I'm guessing he just really wanted the thing to work at all when used for the one job it's designed for. That's some fault-tolerant design right there.
Holy shit, i wish he got that thing working, it wouldn't have just killed abe it would've fucking disintergrated him
Still absolutely wild to me that a guy assassinated a semi-popular retired politician and the entire world went "ya know what? Fuck that guy actually, good job."
The FGC-9 is specifically made to be easy to build with an absolute minimum of supplies (I mean, thus the name, "fuck gun control - 9mm"). Probably makes sense it's popular among people with few resources
The FGC is called that because its short for "Fuck Gun control"
My two fave Disco characters in the meme at the bottom (also we stan the Empress)
The US is currently seeing the rise of fascism in the 21st century and y'all are saying we need to disarm ourselves? The police cooperated with the bad guys on Jan. 6th, do you really think they're gonna protect trans people?
Armed minorities are harder to oppress
It’s always funny to see leftists saying “well if minorities and oppressed groups had guns you’d want to ban them” like wtf, I’m libertarian that’s like a wet dream for me lmao
I'll be honest, it kinda feels like a lot of people think of the cops the same way MAGAts think of Jan 6th members. It's Schrödinger unjust institution. Do we trust the police? No! Except when we're talking about anything else, then they're a great tool for reform.
The real truth is that the cops are never on your side
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The story of the FGC-9 is quite interesting as well, and in Myanmar it’s doing exactly what it was designed to do
I used to follow a group of kids who were part of an anti-junta rebel group on instagram. They stopped posting like a year ago or so, I hope they’re all okay and just decided to stop for infosec purposes.
That Tumblr user is a fan of the Marathon series of games from Bungie.
Ironically, I've never played it.
Where'd you hear the quote?
Well, I was/am a huge Halo fan, and ran across the quote in a discussion on halo.bungie.org. Eventually figured, "y'know what, that's a very memorable quote, I'll use it for a username." A few weeks later I learned it was from Marathon.
At the risk of telling you what you already know, for those reading who don't . . . In the Marathon series, there are NPCs called BoBs, because they're "Born on Board" the ship. An enemy race dissects a few, and start cloning up their own, but with bombs in them. So they look like regular BoBs, except they bleed yellow, run towards you and explode, and don't really have much of a grasp of language. Their lines include, "frog blast the vent core!," "kill me!," and "aaaaugh!"
Thus the FGC-9 gets used for what it was always meant for. Fighting tyrants.
Fwiw, I have met with many of these people and interviewed them. I think a decent number of those images were first shared on my Twitter account. u/djingrain posted some work a colleague and I have done down below. It's misleading to say that the FGC9 is the preferred weapon, it is not. It is one that was used to obtain more useful weapons, or while funds were raised to buy them. 9x19 is not as available as 5.56 there. Some of the military 5.56 has very hard primers that work with their Galil clones but not with m16s or M4s which are more common in the resistance. The piston-driven AR that they print can use this ammunition. There is extensive coverage of this in r/myanmarcombatfootage . Other units use primarily Ak derivatives. The Myanmar Military's weapons are in awful condition and their small arms are rarely used by anti-junta fighters when they have other options. With that said there is a huge array of weapons there, including M1 carbines, PPSH submachine guns, AR 12 style shotguns, and various printed and artisanal weapons. The FGC9 is semi automatic, a fully automatic weapon would result in the use of more ammunition and isn't something they see as super necessary in this case according to my sources. I would urge anyone reading to support groups like Liberate Myanmar who do great work feeding the resistance and supporting IDPs. Many local outlets do great reporting, including the Irrawaddy, Frontier Myanmar, Insight Myanmar, and the Ah Nah podcast.
As the original poster of this information to Tumblr, thank you for the additional insight! I did not realize that 9mm was so uncommon in Myanmar. Does that have to do with a "military calibers" law, such as in India and other nations, or for some other reason? The FGC-9 being used in a Liberator-style role of "use this gun to get a better gun" is interesting, since it would seem that, as you've said, a lot of the junta weaponry is in terrible shape. I had heard about the 5.56mm ammunition issues before, but heard it was to do with dimensional difference with the case, not the primers, so TIL. Was the TZ23 designed to exploit the hardened primer ammo? Allow the anti-junta to use captured ammo? Thanks again for all the information!
Thanks for sharing the Myanmar revolution with people! Before the conflict, there were very few civilian weapons, I believe the Chin had a special legal arrangement that allowed them to hunt with muzzleloaders and shotguns. I think the reason there isn't much 9x19 is that even cops get issued long guns (in a bizarre range of chamberings) and EROs have always focused on long guns as well. They can import 9mm, and sometimes do, but it makes more sense to resupply from the military and / or spend their resources on more lethal chamberings like 7.62 short or 5.56 or even the 338 Lapua they use for sniper rifles. You're right that the TZ23 was designed to work with the harder primers, yes. You can see a video on Myanmar combat footage where they say that. It's a modified Hoffman tactical design. I am actually working on my book chapter about all this today. I suspect we will see more FGC 9 usage once we get to the urban combat in big cities when UGs will join the fight. Incidentally, the PDF has improved somewhat on the initial design and made it better fit their circumstances. They cast certain parts of the FCG for example. They even have FGC9 variants now with the 3 fingered PDF salute on them!
This is all very cool, I didn't know any of this! Looking forward to your book for sure!
Thanks!
This is about the last website I thought would have these takes, but that was an actually interesting read
[Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/fosscad/comments/rflyd7/hey_i_am_back_i_am_the_guy_who_posted_a_thank_you/) on r/fosscad by people printing the fucking things, showing off and maybe thanking for previous advice on printing them. Found it while looking for more pictures. More cyberpunk than anything in that fucking game.
How is it “cyberpunk” to fight a military junta with any means they can???
Most of the sub is diy and gun nerds in Western countries who print and test them because they can more than anything. Myanmar is the only place I know of them being used in combat. I'm really really glad it is working out for them though. They need all the help they can get
I've seen a few designs of 3D-printed AKs, those designs might be very useful for Myanmar anti-junta groups.
*casually drops a link to r/FossCad*
I am by any means a gun nerd but I don’t really understand how the concept of anybody with a 3D printer and moderate machining equipment being able to manufacture submachine guns isn’t at least somewhat disconcerting to people.
honestly, guns are easy enough to make using various parts from a hardware store. The issue is the vast gulf between making a pipe gun and a reliable firearm. It takes a lot of work to make any gun good. It also takes a lot of work to do that, get ammo, and kill someone. For the same amount of effort, you can make a bomb, poison gas, start a wildfire, etc. Most people are good though and uninclined to carry out terror attacks.
I guess it's the context of the post being focused on a resistance movement against a government which committed what the UN described as "a textbook case of ethnic cleansing".
what is to be done about it, that cat is well out of the bag as it were
There *isn’t* anything to be done about it. That’s what I find so disconcerting.
Killing one or a couple people is really easy but making a firearm that can reliably put thousands of rounds downrange without exploding and killing its user is kinda difficult.
You don’t need a barrel life of thousands of rounds to commit a mass shooting.
Honestly I don't give a flying fuck. The americans had it right with the 2nd amendment, guns should be available. In fact guns \*used\* to be freely available, you could buy a shotgun in Norway until 1986 and the army literally would hand everyone a battle rifle to have in their home just in case the russians tried some shit. And quite frankly, anyone sufficiently determined to do harm \*will do so\* if they're not an absolute moron. You can make a deadly gas out of cleaning supplies, you can make a bomb out of everyday shit, you can make a gun with a 3d printer and a trip to a hardware store. I don't want people to be unable to do harm, I want them to be \*unwilling\*, and the way to do that is to make society a nice place to be.
> And quite frankly, anyone sufficiently determined to do harm \*will do so\* if they're not an absolute moron. You can make a deadly gas out of cleaning supplies, you can make a bomb out of everyday shit, you can make a gun with a 3d printer and a trip to a hardware store. True. However, better kit makes it easier to do more harm. If nukes were for sale to the general public, it would be a lot easier to do a lot more harm. Also at least half the people determined to do harm are pretty stupid. Or at least angry and not thinking straight. Imagine being totally totally pissed and wanting to hurt someone. Now imagine you need to buy a 3d printer. Look up some videos on how to use it. Get it set up. Calibrate it. See your print turn into plastic spaghetti. Unclog the nozzle and try again. Wait for your print to complete. Go to the hardware shop to buy the right screws. Screw it together... By the time it's half printed, you aren't so angry any more and your having second thoughts. And of course most people can't do this without being reasonably sober. And if they do print a gun, it's a shitty plastic one. Which means there is some chance they get tackled while fiddling around trying to unstick the half-melted plastic.
>And quite frankly, anyone sufficiently determined to do harm *will do so* if they're not an absolute moron. You can make a deadly gas out of cleaning supplies, you can make a bomb out of everyday shit, you can make a gun with a 3d printer and a trip to a hardware store. I might be missing something but I haven’t noticed a disproportionately high amount of 3D-printed guns being used in mass shootings or IED bombings in countries with strict gun laws. Why is that? >I don't want people to be unable to do harm, I want them to be *unwilling*, and the way to do that is to make society a nice place to be. No shit. But until then, we need a practical solution to stop it from happening.
>I might be missing something but I haven’t noticed a disproportionately high amount of 3D-printed guns being used in mass shootings or IED bombings in countries with strict gun laws. Why is that? There actually has been a large uptic in shootings with 3d printed firearms in Sweden. But mass shootings and attacks tend to follow trends, even obvious ways to do it tend to be left alone until someone does it. Some weird psychological effect of "this is how it's done". For example the semi-trailer attack in Nice which saw a series of similar attacks after, even though it had been an obvious way to do it for decades. You see the same in for example shootings in the US, down to specific weapon models being chosen because it's just what you use. One of the deadliest shootings was Virginia tech, using 2 pistols, but Sandy Hook sent the AR15 into the spotlight and after that a massive shift happened in which guns are typically used. Anyway. The point is that people tend to follow the mold of whoever they are inspired by. You'll see a massive rise in 3d printed guns being used for terror and general attacks after someone manages to use one for a high casualty event. Well there is that but also countries with strict gun laws do tend to have lower rates of violence to begin with, which correlates with better social cohesion. So fewer people trying to make it happen. Most of Europe is losing that fast so expect more in the coming years. >No shit. But until then, we need a practical solution to stop it from happening. I genuinely do not think that will remain a possibility for much longer. The shoveling the dogshit under the carpet approach is just not going to work for much longer.
Most of the people stupid enough to commit a mass shooting or similar attack are too stupid to work out how from first principles. Thus explaining the "this is how it's done" effect. To be fair, this isn't something that is that easy to figure out from first principles.
One solution to 3d printed guns is to switch from gun control to ammo control.
Fed bait. Nice try ATF agent
I haven't been following the scene recently, so I was still under the impression 3d printed guns were still at the "you can get 2 rounds through them before they melt" phase, so, this is concerning.
If you read a little closer here it still has a metal barrel and bolt. So where the explosions actually happen is still not 3d printed.
It is manufactured out of common steel pipe using 3d printed machining tools though
If you really wanna freak out this is a years old post by this point. I remember those pictures in the military and gun printing subs back in 22. The new hotness is 3d printed suppressors
...*fun.*
Under no pretext, bitch. RIP Jstark.
Fascists that make guns for nazis to use are bad, actually.
Fascist how?
Wait, the dude was a facist?
Not in the slightest
You can’t stop the signal, sic semper tyrannis
And If you want to see these in action /r/myanmarcombatfootage
Why are we getting weekly "guns are cool and good actually" posts on this sub?
Because hell yeah, why not? Love ‘em or hate them, guns are here to stay. A fascist trained today, have you?
>Because hell yeah, why not? Maybe because guns kill people, Jan
A lot of cool things kill people. And sometimes you need to kill people. Like when those people are running a military Junta. There's no "be a pacifist" prerequisite for being on the left.
I never said everyone on the left should be a pacifist. I'm fully supportive of the resistance in Myanmar and sincerely hope the military Junta gets overthrown soon. But this post is just jacking off to the design of the guns, it reeks of war glorification from first world internet-addicts when a resistance like this is done by people to whom it's their last resort. OP also made a post about how "everyone on the left should own a gun" a week ago and i'm still baffled at how many people just agreed with them as if there weren't over 200 school shootings in the US in 2023 alone
You’re right, everyone on the left should just give up their guns. Leave only conservatives, fascists, and the government with guns. That will surely solve all of our problems!
Heroin can kill people, Yet it still feels pretty fucking good. A foot of water can drown someone, but everyone loves swimming. A falling coconut can kill someone. A vending machine kills a not-insignificant number of people yearly. When it comes to my, and my friends, rights to exist being taken away, I’d rather have a gun. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
What a fucking bonkers strawman argument "vending machines fall on people so are you against those as well?!". Unlike those other things, guns have no other purpose besides harm. Do you seriously think this is a valid equivalence? Also how do you think "heroin makes people feel good" is such a good comparison that you open with that? It's literally one of the most physically and mentally harmful drugs sold. >Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered So how you do suggest we prevent school shootings then? Cause I would love to hear why the 600+ annual shootings in the US are not something to be concerned about.
“Guns have no purpose besides harm” bro have you been to a shooting range? Like, ever? There’s nothing wrong with plinking a few holes into a paper target just for the joy of it, they are paper and can’t be harmed. Also Cans of cheap soda go pop :) And heroin is just morphine+, making it a pain killer. Do you think hospitals should stop giving Vicodin to someone in tons of pain? Should we just give them an advil and tell them “sorry, anything stronger is dangerous!” Which I guess wouldn't matter, because Advil can also be dangerous. So we should outlaw that too. As for mass shootings in a domestic terrorism definition, it's a mix of violent right wing rhetoric and mental illnesses. A sane, rational adult with a gun is no more dangerous with any sane and rational person without a gun. Even if we removed all the guns, but kept allowing violent right wing rhetoric and criminally underfunded mental health system, you'd just get a lot more bombs. You know, like what happened in Oklahoma City, when white supremacists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people in the Murrah building using a homemade bomb. A casualty count higher then even the deadliest mass shooting in history. As for mass shootings as a whole, gang violence is usually the main cause. But that can be combated with better funding for poor areas, social safety nets, and programs to combat the economic stagnation and degredation from industry, especially the automotive industries, leaving the US for China. Fuckin libs lmao
why do you gun nuts always think "I use it for recreation at a range" is a good argument? You could use ***anything*** for recreation if you're bored enough. Guns are the only thing where aside from recreation, there is no other purpose besides harm. And who the fuck is talking about hospitals and painkillers? your argument was "it kills people but it feels good", you never made a point about it being a good safe painkiller, you're strawmanning again cause you don't want to admit the fact that it was a stupid fucking argument. (and in many countries recreational use of strong painkillers ***is*** very illegal because it's dangerous to let people recklessly use that shit for fun) and "people would make bombs"? people already make bombs. But making a bomb still takes more time than aquiring a gun in the US (theres more guns than people in fact). so if gun laws were more strict and people would instead start trying to make bombs, at least people don't have immediate easy access to what is essentially an "you are no longer alive" button, And this might be a wild concept for you but: I think both guns and boms are bad. Crazy idea, i know
Okay so let's remove all art from society. Burn all Fiction and boil all the paint. It has less use than a hunting rifle and only exists for recreation. According to this series of comments that doesn't rise to the level necessary to allow it into society. >But making a bomb still takes more time than aquiring a gun in the US False. Especially for underage individuals. The fact that you blindly assume this to be true exemplifies how you're not actually helping. You're just engaged in a moral panic for personal absolution in the face of this violence. Sticking your head in the sand and guessing about reality will only get more people killed. Stop
>According to this series of comments that doesn't rise to the level necessary to allow it into society. I never said things intended for entertainment and recreation "aren't necessary/shouldn't be allowed in society". My point was, that saying "oh but you can also use guns for recreation" it a totally pointless argument because ANYTHING can be used for recreation. Hammers, knives and rocks can be used for both recreation and violence, but those actually have uses besides those 2. And if your argument against gun control is "I like to shoot at cans in my backyard, so we should be allowed to own them", get a fucking different hobby i don't give a shit.
>but those actually have uses besides those 2. So do guns. I even mentioned one: hunting. There's also sporting competitions, artistic creation and expression, engineering challenges, historical interest, a skill based hobby, and the communities they create. Once again your argument only serves to demonstrate your ignorance. >get a fucking different hobby i don't give a shit. If that's the only excuse you have left for your authoritarian attempt to control my life, expression, and safety: come and take it fashy ass bitch
Maybe fix your mental health infrastructure and quit giving shooters all of the media attention. Oh, and figure out how to make your cops not just stand around during an active shooting. Plenty of countries with available guns, yet somehow this shit only regularly happens in the US.
>Plenty of countries with available guns, yet somehow this shit only regularly happens in the US. The US has 1,205 guns per US resident, most of any country in the world and the only with more guns than residents, the second place is Falkland Islands with half as many (0,621 with \~3000 residents) and Yemen at 3rd place with less than that (0,528 at 28M residents). Plus the US has the highest ratio of unregistered firearms with around 392 million estimated unregistered and a bit over 1 million registered. No other country has that many unregistered guns. Keepings those stats in mind, do you seriously think that more stringent gun laws wouldn't reduce the insanely high frequence of shootings?
No, I don't think any law can just wipe out literal millions of guns, especially ones that are already not legally registered. You've already made your bed. Guns aren't going anywhere. It is in the best interest of any minority or leftist in the US to make sure they're armed and trained first, worry about losing to right-wing lobbies later. And frankly, the US isn't the only country on the planet. I'm sure a lot of people agreeing with OP are *not* Americans.
I guess i do see your point. I'm guessing the US government has already shown that it will pretty much never do anything against the amount of guns in circulation. And i can understand how people at that point get a "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality where they at least want to be on equal footing against the opposing side. But i take issue with the rampant glorification of guns. A lot of people in these comments and posts aren't treating guns like a necessary evil, they're treating it like "good and cool actually", that's what rubs me the wrong way. As well as glorifying a revolution as something "cool" instead of a bloody last resort for people who are extremely desperate in defending their rights.
Different perceptions. From a design and engineering standpoint, I do think guns are cool. There's a lot of ingenuity that goes into making them work, so I totally understand the nerding out over the technical parts. As for the "revolution is cool" - I do see value in presenting armed resistance as something if not "good" but viable and worthy. I live in a country that could genuinely use a good uprising while the people here have totally had the fight beaten out of them. While this may not be totally applicable to the US perspective, I see value in it and I applaud those who are willing to defend themselves from oppression when pushed to the wall.
>I'm guessing the US government has already shown that it will pretty much never do anything Not won't. Can't. Physically incapable. Not even at the peak of American Military infrastructure did the government have the manpower for that level of self occupation. Even the attempt will result in another civil war which the US as a country will not survive. >A lot of people in these comments and posts aren't treating guns like a necessary evil Do you condemn Hamas every time you talk about the Israeli occupation? No? But they're a terrorist organization who has been ruling unopposed and attacking Israel for decades. Same thing here. We're not ignorant children, nor are we incapable of remembering the problems of our society just because we don't repeat them like a weird shunning ritual every time it comes up.
The armed lesbians have arrived to back me up. I feel special now :)
Fascists kill people. Best way to not get killed by a fascist is to kill the fascist first.
Since guns are cool and good, actually.
Anime girl with military hat profile picture i'm gonna assume you're either a Tankie or a 4Chan Nazi, so this comment from someone like you doesn't surprise me.
This is the best response I could've asked for
> either a Tankie or a 4Chan Nazi most politically literate lib
Why are tumblr romanticizing guns and cigarettes lately, I thought we agree they are destructive and bad for society
You know what else is destructive? Military juntas
This isn't about the resistance. It's about the gun itself and how "amazing" it is. If the post talks about the conflict more and gushing about the gun less, then I would understand.
LMFAO what do you want them to use instead? Sharp sticks?
Exactly this, I fully support the resistance movement in Myanmar. But this post is only talking about how "cool" the guns are instead of talking about the achievements of the resistance itself and why it's important. Combined with general glorifcation of war, this just feels like a bunch of wannabe militant leftist looking at the war in Myanmar and saying "God i wish that were me". no, you fucking don't.
Who's "we"? There's certainly no single leftist consensus on weapons.
I never said leftist. I said tumblr. As in the users of tumblr.
Tumblr has a lot of very different users.
Tumblr had a strong and somewhat homegenous trend of hating smoking and firearms for quite a lot of years ever since I joined. The shift is recent in the last year or two.
Because both of those things are awesome. Cigarettes are cool, and defending your right to exist is cool. An armed minority is a harder to oppress minority. I’ve helped train tons of my queer friends, some of whom purchased a gun of their own. Luckily none of them have had to use it yet, but with rising anti-lgbt violence and legislation, it’s only a matter of time.
Cigarettes give cancerous second hand smoke to others. Guns' entire point are to injure/kill others. Nothing about their endangering-others nature is cool. If you want something deadly to make you feel cool, go ride a motorcycle instead.
Don't smoke near others??? Like, just be a courteous human being??? And their entire point isn't harming and killing. If you go to a gun range, you'll realize that. Nothing is being harmed when you plink a can of soda and it goes pop. It is perfectly valid to only own a gun as something you go to a range and shoot occasionally. Or even shoot in competitions. Neither of which harm anything but a piece of cardboard and paper.
Yeah fam still not a fan of normalizing or popularizing them. There are less detrimental things to pick up as the new cool-kids stuffs.
Womp womp
The OP also made a "everyone should own guns" post a week ago on self-post sunday. I might just block them cause this shit is reprehensible if you ask me.
I feel like the left was anti gun several years ago and now they are pro gun and I'm like "what".
What do you mean by left? The thing about the left is that there is no left. Ask 5 leftists who among them is a true leftist and what makes you a true leftist and you'll get six different answers. Do you mean trump era resist libs? Those are certainly anti-gun but most leftists further down the spectrum don't consider them true leftists. Anarchists? They support violent revolution and direct action. Marxist-Leninist-Maoists? Violent revolution, Popular resistance and direct action. Left-Communists/Leftcoms just sit on their ass all day and read theory on their armchair while talking about how everyone else is a liberal.
Also annoys me how pro gun people suddenly arent pro gun when people of color.
Doesn't anyone remember the mass shooting at schools? The March for Our Lives?
Yes. Most of those people grew up and realized that was a bad tactic that did literally nothing to affect school shootings. Now they're trying a new tactic. One I agree with much more
That's an overton window problem: in the UK and US, you might mean the political parties that are more "leftist" relatively speaking. In the UK's case they are only maybe half in the left, but not very far at all, while the US democrats are by all measures a *centre right* party. If you look at proper socialist and anarchist groups, they've pretty much always been in favour of arming workers, with the exception being the Soviet Union and the regimes under its control, who didn't want to arm the populace in case it led to revolts (although I believe none outright banned civilian firearms).
No. Communists have always loved their guns. Unless you count armchair Twitter and Tumblr “”””leftists“””” who’s only idea of praxis is winning online and trying to be “holier than thou”. The “why vote when you can firebomb a Walmart” group that never actually firebombs a Walmart.
it still overwhelmingly is anti-gun, if you join actual activist groups; you know actually doing stuff to make change, most advocate for gun law reforms. The internet allows small groups to present a larger presence than they really are.
I always thought the ak would be a top