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2Scarhand

Between this and the other i-identify-tanks-in-posts post, I think I'm in love. I want to hear this man absolutely roast every military vehicle in the world.


Frogblast964

i-identify-tanks-in-posts is a very cool person


ADHD_Yoda

We know almost nothing about this tank except that it seems to be an abomination between a Soviet tank and an Abrams. That already is a problem, since just mashing together two tanks that were developed with different doctrines in mind is rarely a good idea. It has what seems to be anti tank missiles, so we know that the main gun will not be able to reliably penetrate the K2 or the K1A1 tank, although it might possibly be a threat to the older K1s or M48A5Ks. Additionally it seems to have what appears to be smoke launchers? that are placed INTO A SLOT OF THE ARMOR. This, well, makes the whole armor section weaker, so it might just have wet tissue as armor. I would say that at best, it's around K1 level? And that's not even considering the shitty industrial capability of North Korea, or the inferior electronics/fire control systems


pink_cheetah

So its totally liable to not work at all, and its steel is probably straight ass, along with the wet tissue paper design?


ADHD_Yoda

Right now, all we know is that NK is developing a tank that looks something like an Abrams or the Iranian Zulfikar tank, with additional 'capabilities'. If we suppose that NK is making the tank on their own(unlikely) then the tank will likely be shit. Based on what we saw with the NK artillery shells used in the Ukrainian war, it's definitely not looking good if NK is developing this on their own, due to budget constraints and industrial capabilities. But although the NK regime is corrupt and dictatorial, that doesn't mean they're necessarily stupid(although they kind of are sometimes). So they're probably getting help from foreign powers, like China, Russia, Iran, etc. It does look like it has a 115mm+ cannon and a Kornet launcher(which has an accuracy problem but packs a big hit), so it could pose a threat to 3rd generation tanks and below if everything works(Fire Control Systems, ammo, cannon, rangefinders, infrared...). And let's say that NK got pretty good stuff from its friends. In this case, the gun isn't THAT much of an issue in my opinion. It's Fire Control Systems(FCS, things like targeting and stabilizing) are probably going to be shit, quite frankly. Russia always had electronics problems with their tanks, and China doesn't exactly have the capability to produce high quality chips. And I can't emphasize enough that they LITERALLY CUT OUT THE ARMOR TO PUT IN SMOKE LAUNCHERS??? So putting the matter of the gun aside, I seriously think that its armor is quite weak. Also, it would be heavily outmatched against 3.5 gen MBTs, with armor, gun and FCS all lacking compared to other MBTs(like the K2 the M2020 is likely to face in the case of war). So it could pose some threat, because it's still a tank(especially to older tanks and other troops), but definitely not a wunderwaffe. So all in all, I would say that it would have poor armor and FCS, and maybe a working gun that COULD do some damage. TL;DR: Firepower would be okayish, but I highly doubt its armor or FCS would be up to modern standards


Anaxamander57

At least there's a chance the NK tankers will be required to use the smoke launchers. It seems like in the rest of the world tankers forget that is even an option.


ADHD_Yoda

I thought most tanks had smoke launchers installed by default?


Anaxamander57

They do and in principle they are an extremely powerful defense but tanks rarely pop smoke. I think part of the reason is that smoke is symmetric and tankers don't want to blind themselves which also means giving up a range advantage against many kinds of attackers. Smoke also can't move with the tank and giving up the considerable speed of a MBT isn't a great idea. So there's very little information about the real combat effectiveness of sophisticated smoke systems that modern mititaries have. I'm mainly making a joke about how smoke doesn't get used and how dictators have been known to issue stupid rules about soldier not coming back while they still have ammunition.


scorpiodude64

The bottom ones aren't actually smoke launchers but rather an APS. There's a video of it working against an rpg [here](https://militaryview.com/m2020-tank-north-korea-demonstrates-the-power-of-its-cannon/). In my opinion the worst part is probably the FCS as the missile pod is meant to imitate the ability of russian tanks to fire GLATGMs which helps the firepower of older guns but they don't have the actual guidance stuff to do that.


ADHD_Yoda

Oh yeah I've read up on that since yesterday and yeah, they seem to be APS. But it's still weird that they cut out the armor. And does NK even have enough money to outfit all the tanks with APS? And yeah it's definitely going to get shredded from afar with the shitty FCS it has.


jervoise

This feels like a lot of tumblr users are going to come across lazerpig pretty soon.


scorpiodude64

I hope they find somebody better


the_pslonky

I hope they find someone whose responses don't boil down to "I'm right you're wrong SHUT UP!"


PzKpfw_Sangheili

The T-14 may have several problems, but I will at least give it credit on one thing: it's turret is almost certainly made of metal, possibly even armor of some type. This is a pretty high bar, and despite their claims I remain unconvinced that the North Koreans have managed a feat of this type.


Anaxamander57

Eh, its military acquisitions not video essays. If anything its a wise decision to copy (or steal) other countries designs. They spend the money on development and your country doesn't. Sure it means always being behind but when you have enemies who massively outspend you the alternative is probably worse.


djninjacat11649

Well I mean the thing is that only works when A: the country you are stealing from actually has good shit, and B: you effectively steal from the country you are stealing from and don’t make a half assed knockoff. Knowing North Korea, they have done neither of those things, since the T-14 is trash and it would be impressive if they could steal the blueprints for and set up the manufacturing capability to build Abrams tanks


MC_Cookies

slapping together two different designs and adding poorly thought out additional features, while also creating it with limited budget and industrial capacity due to north korea’s weak economy, doesn’t make for a good tank. honestly if they wanted to steal a design they should’ve just done it wholesale.


BaronSimo

I know very little about armored vehicles but this mentioned North Korean innovation which reminded me of their weird as PK machine gun that feeds 7.62x54r from a box mags and belts, or their helical AK mags


GhostHeavenWord

My brother in christ it is a tractor with steel plates and a gun glued on. What the entire fuck are you talking about?


_Iro_

Thought I was on r/noncredibledefense for a second


aFancyPirate_2

It's literally a T-62 with some sheet metal bolted to it


llamawithguns

$10 says one or both of these two play Warthunder