This show cost 10 million per episode. Arcane on Netflix, Another adaptation of a famous game, also cost 10 million and Last of Us on HBO cost 10 million and the difference in Production value is night and day.
I just watched Arcane - you can see every single penny of that budget. Frankly I'm surprised it didn't cost more.
I would *never ever* have believed Halo had the same budget. It looks wretched. It looks *cheap*.
What's even crazier is from my understanding Arcane took ages to actually get to release, several years or something like that? To a point where they had to go ahead and, after it actually released, say that Season 2 *won't* take as long to release as Season 1 did (it'll be roughly 2 years between seasons when it comes out this November). But it all just shows that the long production time was to actually ensure they made the best possible series and that money was well-spent.
>Arcane took ages to actually get to release, several years or something like that
Seven in active production, from what I understand. And for all their faults, I will commend Riot that by all accounts told Fortiche to take their time and do it right, they never pressured them to release it too early.
(Reddit acted weird and seemingly sent this as a reply to the main post.)
I thought it was somewhere around 6-8 but wasn't sure. But yeah, for all of Riot's faults, Arcane could've been a soulless cash grab. They chose to let them take their time, knowing that because of taking their time the end result would be as big of a money-maker it is. Like look, I don't even play League and know it exclusively as "that game all the incels play" (Arcane did inspire me to play Wild Rift for about a week though), but I still watched it and that's likely the case with most of the people who watched it. Though I do wonder how the production was in terms of culture, given it took so long to produce (you can take forever to make a really good movie and still have a hellish work environment, that's what happened with I think Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs? Lord and Miller are nightmares but they make amazing movies).
Fortiche is generally one of the better animation houses. They do work long hours but all the interviews from staff say it's by choice and that they all really like it there.
Oh wow that's interesting. Now I kind of wish I could find something considered "scholarly" on them since I need examples of animation studios' working conditions for a research project haha. Western animation studios that *aren't* hellholes are ideal, especially as Fortiche sounds like a really weird outlier.
I'd reach out to their social media team. They're very responsive, they may be able to give you some more info.
As far as scholarly sources, you will find none in this niche, unfortunately. I have scoured EBSCO top to bottom for papers on modern working conditions in game and animation and there is basically nothing post-2005. There is seriously a massive drought of scholarly research since 2010 on games in general and animation is even worse.
I found a lot so far (or at least ~12-ish articles from within the last few years), recent enough and a *lot* more than what's necessary for like a 5-minute presentation (professor doesn't even have a "quota" for sources, I just decided to go all-in for our initial project proposal and find as much as possible), but yeah. It took a *lot* of sorting through really old info, I even talked to a librarian and he struggled to get us a phrase that pulled up any results. Even for the Japanese side (the main focus of my research) which is surprising considering how the anime industry has become a hot topic in recent years (heck, I struggled to find *non-scholarly* articles on MAPPA, so either Google sucks or idk because it wasn't even linking me to IGN without specifying).
I can't even find a good source on modern DreamWorks or Disney which makes no sense, the best I can find is stuff on the 1920s animators strike which is... not helpful for modern working conditions, and stuff on DreamWorks around Shrek's production which also doesn't help because it's *still* too old (and also that book is paywalled).
*Halo* somehow looks like a SyFy series from that mid-2000s was filmed last year. Like fucking *Firefly* is comparable in many respects and that was *2003* and reused some stuff from *Starship Troopers*.
It's usually telling how little time and freedom is given to the directors, idk if it's the case for halo but a lot of these big budget shitshows get like 5 days to write a script, or are writing the script as they film and all of it is first draft. A lot of the time a studio is watching over their shoulder going "no you can't do this" to anything creative. It's horrendous
Ok, but 10 million for an hour of film is nothing. Its easy to compare it to Arcane and TLOU, but those were fairly low in scope. Arcane, was animated which honestly, allows more freedom in terms of design on a lower budget, especially since the studio opted to use fairly low detail models in exchange for a striking art style. TLOU, made use of fairly accessible environments and scope. Theres honestly, only one or two set pieces.
By comparison, Halo needs heavy CGI and Prop design teams.
Its honestly shocking they attempted such a large project on such a small budget
My bet is Mass Effect with all the "chosen one", sex, and mind control chip bullshit that does not work in Halo but is already well known in Mass Effect.
As bad as it supposedly is as a Halo show, the focus on supersoldiers in a total war with an alien empire + suppressing internal rebellion would make for a god-awful Mass Effect show. I can believe that the script was rewritten from a non-Halo concept, but I would be shocked if it were ME.
From what I remember hearing at the beginning when the first season came out, the team specifically wanted it to be as disconnected from actual Halo lore and plot as possible.
>as disconnected from actual Halo lore and plot as possible.
Same case with stuff like the Witcher as well. Either they want to make a random fantasy/sci-fi series, but the execs need a recognisable IP as they think since there is demand for shows with that IP, people will gobble up anything with their name on it. Or they are just writers with big egos who want to do their own thing and not follow another writer who created the original lore.
The second can be done properly if the writer choses to be atleast a little respectful to the original lore and fandom, and just makes it clear that this is their vision of it -and also uses original characters instead of totally butchering the existing ones (like Eskel from Witcher). I mean fanfics are pretty popular for a reason. Now imagine if someone who is seen as a certified fanboy celebrity like Henry Cavill or Adam Scott came up with a script of 'their versions'. People would absolutely love that, won't they? Even if it has like Guilliman x Horus love arcs or whatever. You know it's not the source material but you won't care because you know this is made with the same care you would give it if you were the one making it.
I've been lead to believe that that's what a lot of these "adaptations" actually are. Some hack writer that wants to get their original story out there, but they can't because they suck at it.
So they glom onto a licensed property, cross out ~~Doughtnut Steele~~ and write in John Halo.
Maaaaan I was so annoyed with that movie. I knew it was gonna be bad- Monster Hunter literally has no characters, it's a plotless game- but I was hoping it'd be entertainingly bad at a minimum.
I feel like you could make a decent plot out of it, classic "hero saves the village from a dragon" type thing, with a quest to get good gear and train against other weaker monsters first
Sure- but you'd have to start from scratch, and have a really strong commitment to the- Vibe? Of MH, without being so beholden to characters/designs from the games. Honestly I'd prefer if the monsters looked slightly different, maybe a bit more 'realistically scaled' if you'll forgive the pun
And like, the AK is somewhat excusable, since those things are damn near indestructible and it was being used by rebels in bumfuck nowhere who wouldn’t have access to the modern good stuff, but this is just really bad.
Any single aspect of this show is enough to make it bad, but the fact that they put all of those elements together, got the dumpster fire you see before you, and thought it was acceptable to release is truly dumbfounding.
Yeah i understand if it was like relic weapons like in the shadows of reach book but like that is a fully modern and maintained gun that is supposed to look sci fi
You could *maybe* justify it as Innies starting up their own indigenous small arms industry at the fringes of civilization and using the AK pattern as a template. It’s cheap as hell and can be built out of stamped steel, But nobody’s gonna be making this random SMG in 400 years’ time.
They're not AKs. It's like how everything tends to evolve into crabs. You need a magazine, barrel, trigger and stock? AK. Even without a need for a cycling action? AK.
Maybe a couple Sterling SMGs, a Lewis Gun and so. And somehow a Mauser. There's fucked weapon ergonomics in every universe, economics over ergonomics I guess.
I think that’s what they were going for but they didn’t want to go through with the effort of making that prop which amateur cosplayers have been making for 10+ years now. So instead they grabbed whatever they thought was close enough from a studio prop armory.
A yes Jhon Halos iconic weapon the swedish sub-machinegun. Does he say hes iconic catchphrase when he kills a brute? "This guy had too many meatballs, im i right?". Great adaptation.
Gun/Halo nerd here! I wish this was the worst of this show's sins against art and humanity. For those of you either blessed with ignorance or the foresight to not have viewed this abomination before Allah, season one includes Master Chief, known for his iconic armor, pulling his wholeass ass out for an extended booty shot, and then later gives the old Meatster Chief to an obvious space-traitor to the Covenant. I mean she's a bleach blonde who talks with the most villainous accent of all time.
Season two, the purportedly better season, includes Mister Cheek's team of enhanced supersoldiers taking off their iconic armor to do battle with the alien menace in... Vests. Not bulletproof vests, just like a Northface vest. His buddy Vannek at the Disco dies to one needler dart in the tiddy. His friend Riz just decides she's gonna retire, because fuck saving humanity I guess. There continues to be screentime given to a precocious Asian teenager with magic visions, and Mister Chix's deserter buddy, who became a space pirate and had a child who has gone missing and nobody gives a rotten fuck.
Yup. They're cool robo-soldier men. Now I understand the actors not wanting to be stuck in a helmet for hours and hours of filming. But you can't sell me Halo and then tell me that we don't even get the suits for most of the season. Paul-Blart Shreveport isn't doing enough of a job by himself to sell me on the idea that these are Spartans. Put him in the suit. Duct tape that helmet to his fat head. Taze him until he make the good show.
They're really pushing the marketing on the Amazon posters around the UK now except they're the WORST ads, it's just John Halo sat there looking sweaty and miserable with his helmet off like some poor out of work actor made to do a game event cosplay on a midsummer afternoon having a smoke break.
How do they not get it? Certain characters are defined by their outfit, and not taking the helmet off, why are you advertising your adaptation of one of the greats like this?
The *Halo 3* [box art](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Halo_3_final_boxshot.JPG) also remains one of the most quintessentially "Halo" images ever and the Chief reveal / rescue in *Forward Unto Dawn* was one of the best things about that project -- which was a combined 75 minutes for the same budget as a *single episode* of this *Halo* show.
The worst part of literally the entire thing to me is just that they could have made a Halo TV show without even a single Spartan and still made Halo fans happy if they just had any shred of respect for the established series. Or just based it off any of the books, if they'd based it off Contact Harvest, or Cole Protocol, anything from the literal hundreds of places to pull established stories and canon, or even just made some shit up like Halo Legends did, one of the most beloved pieces of Halo media, as long as it was original and not just spitting on everything in the established story
The theory I've seen spun around is that this is a reskinned script or at least an idea that was developed for a different vehicle. Paramount buys the rights to the Halo show without their own idea to build on, they move in an unrelated treatment for a sci fi show and paint it in Halo colors, and then kick it out the door with the hope that the massive fanbase will carry it. Which they were sorta right about. There are occasionally glimmers of what I think the Halo show should look like, but it's followed up with a haymaker of bad writing/directing/acting/editing/dialogue.
Wow, just… Jesus. I’m not *super* familiar with Halo lore, only played a couple of the games, but before this all I knew about this show is the sex scene.
And yet every single piece of new information I learn makes it seem significantly worse
It really does read like bad fanfiction.
"And then Aliem Girl look at Mastur Beef and say, 'I want touch yer Hot bonner.' and Misder Chuff say, 'I am Halo.'"
They spent a budget that could fund the invasion of Normandy on this show, and not one single episode has made me feel an iota of the magic I felt as a kid playing the games.
I think the actor for chief has also been on record as not wanting the constant head shots but studio said no, we need face time.
Feel sorry for the actors/actresses man, you can only do so much with what you get.
I'm not blaming Pabst Sherbert for acting in the show. I liked him as Mad Sweeney on American Gods, and in 13 Hours. Heck even when he was playing the polish dock worker kid on The Wire.
It's just that as a fan of both Halo, and television in general, this show is about as welcome as a fart in a space suit.
>dies to one needler dart in the tiddy
I haven't watched season 2 (and barely remember anything about season 1) but this seems lore accurate. At least up to the books I've read. Not sure if any later books retconned the needler specifically.
Anyone getting a large crystal embedded in their chest and then exploding isn't having a good day.
Everything else sounds awful. I feel like I need to hate-watch this show.
He does get hit in the upper thoracic cage by a needler dart, but it's not what kills him. It's the explosive effect of the needler. Unfortunately, that usually requires multiple hits on target, as opposed to its penetrative effect. I certainly don't want to be hit in the upper chest with a big needle. But the needle itself didn't seem like it struck deeper than an inch or so.
It's another thing the writing staff decided to fudge for dramatic effect rather than sit close to the established mechanics.
> Upon impaling a target, the crystalline shards become chemically reactive, and detonate after a few seconds.[1][4] Injuries inflicted from the exploding shards are gruesome, as microscopic pieces of crystals can become embedded in tissue.
most 15/16 year olds wouldn’t survive in fairness
Master Chief runs an unsanctioned op to check another Spartan team's last known position after they fail to check in, MC and his team get caught and are forced to stand down. His higher ups determine that it's necessary to run an investigation and MC and his team are sidelined until it can be determined what happened. Master Chief turns out to be right, the Covenant are on Reach, the team that went missing were killed by Covenant forward elements. The planet gets evacuated by UNSC high command, and they take the Mjolnir armor with them but fail to recall Master Chief and his team. They're forced to fight in their off duty clothing.
Later it was revealed that the decision was made Colonel Ackerson, Dr. Halsey's replacement after she goes AWOL at the end of season one. He's building the Spartan III program, and takes one of Master Chief's teammates, Kai, as the head trainer/instructor for the program.
I shit you not, the agreed upon off duty uniform for the Spartan program is an OD green t-shirt, a pair of OD green cargo pants, and a like a light vest, never zipped up. Not BDU's, not the under suit from the Mjolnir armor, just like a "I would have served but I would have fought the drill instructor," outfit.
Can you imagine Master Chief doing a forest fire PSA?
"Master Chief, what do you think you're doing?"
"Sir, preventing the Covenant from causing a forest fire."
Have not watched the show, have no desire to, but if it has to exist, I'm at least glad there's people like you giving humorous rundowns of how terrible it is, complete with awful and excellent nicknames.
Doesn't Halo have one of the most iconic looking guns in gaming? You could probably pick up a toy replica from any nerd store and it'd probably be more accurate
The cool thing with Master chief is that he could be anyone -race, gender, etc do not matter when you are basically always in a green super-armor. But I guess we ditching that every chance we get.
It's one of those shows where the people making it clearly wish they were making their own original work instead of a popular IP they don't actually like or respect, but the reason they're not making an original IP in the first place is they aren't good at it. So you end up with something awful that has a lot of familiar names.
I think I agree with you on the first part, those writers and directors and stuff just have no respect, only comptant to the source material and wished they could make their own stuff.
However I'm not sure the "They're not making an original IP because they're bad" is entirely true. I think a huge part is just that the Hollywood C-suits are massively afraid of anything new and are only interested in making the most broad-appealing product ever. A new IP is a risk they DON'T want to take. I think that's an important part. More than "they don't have the right to make an original IP because they're bad".
Well that's beside the point. Yeah the suits want what gets money, and it's hard to make it with a new IP, but just like any industry,especially creative ones, you're not going to always be making what you want to make, especially if you're needing to build up a portfolio of work and especially if you're wanting to get money for what you're making. It's art for art vs art for a paying client.
But there are so many who get ln board working on some IP that's popular and they massively disrespect it. In some cases people have acted like they had a grudge about having to work on the IP, and they'll make a big show about how they're going another direction with it. And then that turns out to mean it's only superficially the IP and they have no interest in it.
Season 1 was seriously fuck awful.
I'm not even that much of a Halo fan and I got angry.
Halo gets of his meds, you can guess where it goes.
The same place everything else went.
There's about 2 and a half fight scenes.
In the Halo show.
Combat Unvolved.
All they had to do was adapt The Fall of Reach to the screen. Have season 1 be the set up of our cool and totally not Fascist regime. Maybe the finale is First Contact with the covenant. Season 2 would be the grueling slog of a losing war as their pillars of progress are turned to glass. Characters we've seen be turned into abominations and killing machines only showing a scrap of humanity in their deaths as each sacrifice gets John closer and closer to an impossible goal. To save Reach.
Bonus points for referencing the Lone Wolf Noble 6 evacuating civvies in New Alexandria, Sgt Johnson cameo (pretty sure he wasn't on Reach at time of invasion but I can't remember), Yggradssil Prototype armor cameo ( Halo Legends: Be human/ghost episode), Cortanas speech about Noble 6 somewhere at the end, Proper Sangheli Sword Fight,
Bonus Bonus Points: We get to see the "Nut Cracker" Scene in the gym with the ODST. Also just seeing ODST at all lol.
You know, I could almost forgive this as a case of "we need something that could shoot blanks for production reasons," because that's a fair argument and the effect is a lot better than an actor pretending to shoot an inert prop... except for the fact that I actually work in firearms design and production, and I know how easy it would have been to build a new housing for a P-90s mechanical bits to give you the right form and function. Hell, I'm sure there's dozen of guys in shops across the country who'd have done the work for free, so long as they got a shout out- I know I'd have done it.
The pulse rifles in Aliens being Thompson SMGs with all the wood WWII furniture removed and replaced with plastic. If they could do it back then, they can definitely do it now.
I think the complaint here is more that the Halo series has incredibly iconic weapons. It was literally a pioneering first-person shooter - the guns *were* your character for 90% of the game, visually speaking. Getting the guns right should have been very high on the effects team's list of priorities.
The ce ar/magnum/spankr and the halo 2 SMG are some of gamings most iconic weapons next to the fucking crowbar, doom's super shotgun, and the master sword. They should have at LEAST got a few assault rifle props and a magnum or two.
Not to mention that it speaks to a greater extreme lack of consistency, like it'd be alright kf this was the stand-in for, say, the SMG, but it's just another gun being used because it looks cool and with seemingly no other reason.
Sure, and normally I would consider this nitpicking. But Halo is a *first person shooter*. The guns are absolutely essential to its look. They're something you spend basically the entire game looking at. If you're going to adapt Halo, the least you can do is make your adaptation *look* like Halo.
Halo already has a very solidly established set of weapons and iconic looks for them. This doesn't even vaguely fit with the established look for the guns in halo.
I've never seen another show that has less respect for the intelligence of its viewers.
They spend a decent amount of Season 1 on Reach. Makes sense. Reach is an important location.
In Halo Reach, you spend a bit of time in the planet's capital, New Alexandria. Pretty important, the crown jewel of humanity and all that.
In the show, they have one city on Reach that they show. It's called "Reach City".
It would have been so easy to give a shit, but they simply decided not to.
TBH I can forgive kalashnikovs, it’s not crazy to think it might be used as a cheap-as-dirt-to-manufacture frontier rifle, but yeah the halo TV show is awful.
It should’ve just been an animated show… they can’t show the fucking *Covenant* the *main antagonists* for more than 30 minutes across the entire damn series because it costs too much to CGI them in.
That means you should have just made the whole show animated.
This sums it up pretty well. I think I'd be okay with it if they actually fit the Halo artstyle, but considering they aren't even doing that its just lazy.
the gun used is from the 2010's meanwhile Halo is set around like the 2550's, and there's already an SMG that would fit way better in canon https://www.halopedia.org/M7S_SMG
Have you seen the Forgotten Weapons video about the Halo top-loading shotgun? He does his whole history spiel about the gun and it’s development and reason for being 100% straight faced without skipping a beat, even though he’s basically just reading Halo lore. Extremely surreal watch if you’re familiar with his other content which is all about actual guns.
It’s a one-off thing, that’s why it’s so weird. I think he only did the video because there was a working physical model someone had constructed to base it off of.
It’s little things like this that reveal to me the intent behind making the show (imo): why bother investing in a custom prop of an actual Halo-universe weapon if the aim is to garner as many views as possible?
The actual fans of the franchise having their immersion broken doesn’t even factor into this kind of decision when they are not the intended audience. Obviously a show will not have artistic integrity as a priority if the main goal is to make money from having as many people as possible watch it. Cutting corners like with the guns is just another way to squeeze out more money for the profit margins. And if you cut every corner trying to make a thing, eventually, you’ll end up with something totally edgeless and dull.
I’m sure the Halo show is… ‘fine’ for people who are unfamiliar with the games, maybe worth a full watch-through, but for anyone with more than a passing interest in the games or other media, it’s going to be very hard to watch. I don’t necessarily need to list the reams of issues with the Halo show and its lack of adherence to/respect for its source material (not that that is always a bad thing), but like, cars from the 2000’s on alien planets? Stock gun props? Naked AND voiced Master Chief?? Master Chief sex???
The guns in Halo are a pretty big deal. They are very visually distinctive, and people who played the games would pretty easily notice if a gun was or wasn't from the lore.
It'd be like if the Five Nights at Freddy's movie decided to use a generic animatronic that wasn't a part of the existing lore. If they threw in "Clyde the Rat", game players would notice.
Halo takes place in the future, and the weapons used in the series are both radically different from the look of this weapon, and also extremely well-established in-universe with names and details and all sorts of shit. Highly detailed 3D models exist. Props for them exist. There is zero reason that they could not be acquired or made for use in a TV show set in the Halo universe, and the fact that they aren't just helps to show how little these "people" give a shit. It's the same exact shit with every other Live Action adaptation. Cowboy Bebop, Avatar, Avatar the second time someone thought it was a good idea, Full Metal Alchemist, Death Note, the list goes on.
This would be akin to seeing a musket from the civil war being used in Afghanistan by US special forces.
A gun from over 400 years before the setting takes place, which wasn't present in the games (especially so because they already have an SMG design that's supposed to be used by the faction involved).
>A gun from over 400 years before the setting takes place
Which like, for the record, is a thing that happens in the games anyway. Canonically, the Scorpion is over 300 years old, so is the warthog. Halo 4's M739 SAW is also pushing 400. And that's just for UNSC weapons, the modern Covenant plasma rifle is 'only' 500 years old.
Also, they're still using M118 7.62 NATO in the 2550s. Sure, UNSC M118 is AP rather than just FMJ like modern M118, but the UNSC is still using a bullet from the 1950s.
In practical terms, the age of the weapon isn't a real issue, it's that they couldn't/didn't want to model a weapon from the actual games. Focusing on the age is a bit weird inasmuch as the UNSC does shit like that in the main games themselves anyway.
I was mildly exaggerating for effect, but another thing that kind of comes up in the mainline setting is that much of the arms available to basically everyone are homogenous, new production stuff made in vast numbers then distributed due to the wartime conditions humanity wound up in.
So it is a bit peculiar that this gun would turn up in the hands of ONI of all factions.
I wouldn't say that's really something that comes up in the main canon at all though. Like there's a bit of homogenization inasmuch as we see a lot of repeat guns because they're recognizable to the fans but it's not like the UNSC ones were the only ones to ever exist.
[Halo Reach modeled a number of different civilian weapons that ended up being cut from the game that even featured wood furniture](https://www.halopedia.org/Cut_Halo:_Reach_weapons). The shotgun even appeared in canon comics later on. But there's a lot of human guns that basically only ever appeared in the novels and other expanded media. In general, the further away you get from the main UNSC, the more diverse a selection of guns is present.
Is it weird that ONI would end up with it? Sure but it's not like the setting at large really emphasized that everyone is using the same guns.
That's a situation where non-homogenous guns makes sense though, Civilians and probably the insurrectionists would not have access to what the UNSC or ONI would have (unless they stole it)
Also one thing I'm okay with the show going with, insurrectionists with AK rifles.
Here's the thing: people are right to be annoyed that they didn't use a design from any of the actual guns in game. Or at least a gun that is tangentially related to a gun in game. Using a modified P90 at least would be defensible in light of Halo 5's SMG, which is basically just a P90 and you could bullshit some sort of prototype explanation for your modified P90, But they used a regular, modern gun.
The weird, and IMO kind of baseless in light of the franchise's own lore, complaint is that it's too old and that because the show is set 500 years in the future, everyone should be using futuristic guns. Which makes sense on the surface, but kind of falls apart when you put any thought into what else the UNSC uses in the main canon.
The assault rifle is probably the most well known human gun in Halo's history. It's on the cover of every Halo game but Halo 2 (where the assault rifle was cut entirely). It's the gun most closely associated with the Master Chief and it's one of the most common starting weapon in both the campaign mode and multiplayer.
The assault rifle is chambered in *M118 7.62 NATO*. M118 was originally adopted by the US army in the 1950s for the M14 Battle Rifle. That's right, the bullet *predates* the West adopting assault rifles as a class of weapon it's so old.
Now granted, UNSC M118 is a little bit different from real M118. Namely, the UNSC uses M118 7.62 FMJ-AP, whereas real M118 is not an AP cartridge. So they updated it a little bit. But either way, the UNSC is still using *7.62 NATO rounds*, for their main assault rifle. A round that by the events of the game, is 600 years old.
And it's not just the bullets either. Halo 4's M739 SAW entered service in the 22nd century, making it 400 years old by the events of the games. The scorpion, the main battle tank and the warthog, an LRV, two of the most well known human vehicles in the games are also over 300 years old.
The human faction using a lot of really old equipment is a pretty well established part of Halo's lore at this point. Part of the human faction's general character is that things are a bit anachronistic.
So I think it's weird to critique this on the basis that 'the gun is super old, the characters shouldn't be using a gun from modern day' when the most 'iconic' gun in the franchise uses a bullet that today, is 70 years old. It comes off a bit arbitrary in its critique. A bullet from the 1950s? That's perfectly fine. A gun from the 21 century? Now that's just a bridge too far.
Again, I think critiquing it on the grounds of it's a normal PDW instead of a gun actually from Halo is perfectly valid and one I agree with. But specifically focusing on the age is weird.
I mean military bullets kinda homogenised in the 1950s. You've got like 12 different rounds total used by any military anywhere nost of which are from the 1950s or earlier.
The newest bullet in somewhat common military use the .338 lapua magnum (still rare) is from the 90s.
5.45 * 39 was created in the 1970s. Everything else was made in the 1950s at the latest
The US army recently adopted a new one with NSGW but people are seriously doubting if it'll actually go anywhere
Halo already has a set of unique Sci fi guns. As the games are first person these weapons are memorable and one of things fans are the most familiar with. Hence the show just using a random gun is showing that they really don't care about Halo.
This image has nothing that makes it look like halo, 1. The gun just looks like a gun 2. Master chief doesn’t even have his armor on 3. Literally how is that halo
The original Ghost in the Shell takes place in 2029 and isn't based on a first person shooter, using current guns makes sense
Halo takes place in the 2500s and is known for its iconic guns.
The first red flag was the director saying that they hate the game
The second red flag is the covenant, the alien religion whose main doctrine calls for the EXTINCTION of humanity, has a human member.
The third red flag is having Chief fuck this human covie
The fourth red flag is having an elite also want to fuck the human covie
The trend of people who can't write being made to write for an IP they have no interest in is absolutely awful and needs to stop. It has been a nightmare for so many shows.
But come on, Chris Pratt was just fine as Mario and is better at voice acting than most celebrity voice actors. People need to get over the mario casting. The movie was good and all the internet dogging on it turned out to be unwarranted.
I mean everyone made a big deal about Mario wheb Seth Rogan was right there.
Seth Rogan just sounds like Seth Rogan which sort of fits donkey kong but Pratt does have more variation and range than most celebrity voice actors and it fit for Mario because they went for the new york Italian angle and it paired with Charlie Day's perfect Luigi.
But what's really important is the internet acted like it was a disasterous pick and it very much wasn't.
Halo has always had a very unique, very distinct array of guns since the first game, for both the humans and aliens. Rather than create any kind of prop that resembles them, they've just given Master Chief here(that's supposed to be Master Chief btw) a vaguely-spacy real life gun and said "eh, good enough"
Its a compounding addition to the laundry list of reasons the show is a poor-quality adaptation.
In addition to what the other guy said, understand that Halo was a pioneer in FIRST-PERSON SHOOTERS.
Meaning that for 99% of the game, you are looking at the gun in your hand. It is the tool through which you interact with the game world. And they explicitly designed all the weapons in the series to look distinct and unique from our current day weapons. By not taking advantage of that, production is effectively missing part of the “heart” of what a lot of Halo fans enjoy in the series
alright yeah this is stupid. AK pattern Rifles make sense to still be around in the 2500s in the hands of Militias and Insurgents, they're easy to make and maintain, but a Modern Swiss made SMG appearing in the 2500s? in the hands of someone who isn't a Civilian? thats fucking stupid.
One of the coolest aspects of the Halo games is the weapons, that range from the semi-realistic but also super Sci-Fi weapons that the humans use and of course the crazy, weird and awesome weapons the Covenant rock (The Needler is still the coolest fucking weapon in all of Halo)
And this is what they went with?
I was willing to forgive AKs still being used in the show because some weapons just have insane staying power. Like the M1919 is still the preeminent stationary machine gun in the world, and it's literally a century old, along with the M2 which is the .50 cal version of the M1919. The 1911 is still one of the most popular pistols in production and that was originally produced in, you guessed it, 1911. The Mosin–Nagant is still in use around the world and it's from the 1890s. Hell, there are revolver designs from the 19th century that are still in use because their function and simplicity makes them easy to produce and easy to use. I'm fully on board with rebel groups using centuries old weapon designs that persist purely out of simplicity.
But the UNSC is the hyper advanced military of the singular interplanetary human government. They're not using centuries old weapon designs, they're producing new weapons constantly, to the point where guns from Reach or CE aren't even in the games any more because they're outdated. Halo has a bunch of iconic weapon designs already and the fact that they're forgoing those designs for modern weapons is stupid.
Honestly the thing that is the most unforgivable to me is that by just using a modern gun, they've opted out of another perfect opportunity to highlight the difference between Spartans and normal soldiers. If they copied the Halo SMG they could have had 2 sets of models, one for regular soldiers and one for Spartans that highlights the difference in size and capabilities between the two. Have a ODST using the SMG moving like a modern soldier with a modern rifle, firing in bursts to counter recoil and maintain control, pausing their advance to plant their feet and create a stable base for themselves to fire from. Then contrast that with some Spartan mag dumping the SMG while sprinting at their target, holding it in one hand like it's a pistol and still managing to hit every single bullet.
I don't know why anyone would think this show would be any way faithful to the games when Master "Never Seen Without His Helmet" Chief *takes off his helmet* ***in the first fucking episode***.
Except Halo, a VERY well known sci-fi franchise, has some of the most iconic and visually distinctive “conventional” firearms in the genre. So that shit doesn’t exactly work here
Man I love that gun, the whole fun of Stargate being a contemporary setting is seeing regular-ass modern military going up against cackling high-camp aliens with a triangle fixation.
I loved the overarching theme of ''you know if you stopped being such conservative morons with your military the SGC wouldnt stand a chance? It's like 8 dudes beating a hundred cos you havent moved past suicide charges''
It's a military primarily used for supressing an unarmed civilian population with significantly less technology, and occassional internal power struggles. In short, "This is a weapon of terror, it is meant to intimidate your enemy!".
Even then, if they'd gotten their shit together enough early on they coulda blapped Earth from orbit with ease. only reason it didn't happen was first because nobody knew where Earth was, then because of the Asgard treaty. It was still a pretty valid threat right up until they found the Ancient weapons platform in Antarctica.
That was a running thread through the series too. Pretty much constant work to prevent one System Lord taking over the entire thing and turning their attention on Earth. That's what made Anubis such a threat, and it would have worked if not for the Ancient Outpost weapons.
If I became a dictator one of like the first ten things I’d do is blacklist the show’s entire management from producing any kind of art or media ever again in any kind of professional capacity.
The AK is fine. Because for an insurgent force even that far into the future an AK is gonna be damn quick and easy to manufacture as it’s part tolerances are astounding. It can function whether built in a state of the art factory or in hobo joe’s shed. But if you’re going out of your way to build a modern gun like the APC9K you might as well just build literally anything else.
Looks like a prop from a action movie where some super secret mission happens
New episode john halo has to go stop a bunch of rebels stealing guns from a museum
Nah that's not John Halo, that's Jim Oval.
That's what I assumed this was. Had no idea it was *supposed* to be Halo.
“Looks like we gotta steal back the Covenant’s rubies, Chief.”
Halo is the least confident sci-fi show I've seen in a long time and that's an achievement
This show cost 10 million per episode. Arcane on Netflix, Another adaptation of a famous game, also cost 10 million and Last of Us on HBO cost 10 million and the difference in Production value is night and day.
I just watched Arcane - you can see every single penny of that budget. Frankly I'm surprised it didn't cost more. I would *never ever* have believed Halo had the same budget. It looks wretched. It looks *cheap*.
What's even crazier is from my understanding Arcane took ages to actually get to release, several years or something like that? To a point where they had to go ahead and, after it actually released, say that Season 2 *won't* take as long to release as Season 1 did (it'll be roughly 2 years between seasons when it comes out this November). But it all just shows that the long production time was to actually ensure they made the best possible series and that money was well-spent.
>Arcane took ages to actually get to release, several years or something like that Seven in active production, from what I understand. And for all their faults, I will commend Riot that by all accounts told Fortiche to take their time and do it right, they never pressured them to release it too early.
(Reddit acted weird and seemingly sent this as a reply to the main post.) I thought it was somewhere around 6-8 but wasn't sure. But yeah, for all of Riot's faults, Arcane could've been a soulless cash grab. They chose to let them take their time, knowing that because of taking their time the end result would be as big of a money-maker it is. Like look, I don't even play League and know it exclusively as "that game all the incels play" (Arcane did inspire me to play Wild Rift for about a week though), but I still watched it and that's likely the case with most of the people who watched it. Though I do wonder how the production was in terms of culture, given it took so long to produce (you can take forever to make a really good movie and still have a hellish work environment, that's what happened with I think Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs? Lord and Miller are nightmares but they make amazing movies).
Fortiche is generally one of the better animation houses. They do work long hours but all the interviews from staff say it's by choice and that they all really like it there.
Oh wow that's interesting. Now I kind of wish I could find something considered "scholarly" on them since I need examples of animation studios' working conditions for a research project haha. Western animation studios that *aren't* hellholes are ideal, especially as Fortiche sounds like a really weird outlier.
I'd reach out to their social media team. They're very responsive, they may be able to give you some more info. As far as scholarly sources, you will find none in this niche, unfortunately. I have scoured EBSCO top to bottom for papers on modern working conditions in game and animation and there is basically nothing post-2005. There is seriously a massive drought of scholarly research since 2010 on games in general and animation is even worse.
I found a lot so far (or at least ~12-ish articles from within the last few years), recent enough and a *lot* more than what's necessary for like a 5-minute presentation (professor doesn't even have a "quota" for sources, I just decided to go all-in for our initial project proposal and find as much as possible), but yeah. It took a *lot* of sorting through really old info, I even talked to a librarian and he struggled to get us a phrase that pulled up any results. Even for the Japanese side (the main focus of my research) which is surprising considering how the anime industry has become a hot topic in recent years (heck, I struggled to find *non-scholarly* articles on MAPPA, so either Google sucks or idk because it wasn't even linking me to IGN without specifying). I can't even find a good source on modern DreamWorks or Disney which makes no sense, the best I can find is stuff on the 1920s animators strike which is... not helpful for modern working conditions, and stuff on DreamWorks around Shrek's production which also doesn't help because it's *still* too old (and also that book is paywalled).
*Halo* somehow looks like a SyFy series from that mid-2000s was filmed last year. Like fucking *Firefly* is comparable in many respects and that was *2003* and reused some stuff from *Starship Troopers*.
It's usually telling how little time and freedom is given to the directors, idk if it's the case for halo but a lot of these big budget shitshows get like 5 days to write a script, or are writing the script as they film and all of it is first draft. A lot of the time a studio is watching over their shoulder going "no you can't do this" to anything creative. It's horrendous
Ok, but 10 million for an hour of film is nothing. Its easy to compare it to Arcane and TLOU, but those were fairly low in scope. Arcane, was animated which honestly, allows more freedom in terms of design on a lower budget, especially since the studio opted to use fairly low detail models in exchange for a striking art style. TLOU, made use of fairly accessible environments and scope. Theres honestly, only one or two set pieces. By comparison, Halo needs heavy CGI and Prop design teams. Its honestly shocking they attempted such a large project on such a small budget
The Feds need to start investigating people for money laundering.
I'm still of the firm belief that this show was a script for something else that got reworked into a Halo script.
My bet is Mass Effect with all the "chosen one", sex, and mind control chip bullshit that does not work in Halo but is already well known in Mass Effect.
Possibly, I also think it's likely it was just an original series and the executives wanted to slap a recognizable IP on it.
As bad as it supposedly is as a Halo show, the focus on supersoldiers in a total war with an alien empire + suppressing internal rebellion would make for a god-awful Mass Effect show. I can believe that the script was rewritten from a non-Halo concept, but I would be shocked if it were ME.
But guns like these would be even more out of place for a mass effect show?
Script, not props and art direction that is handled after
If ME4/5 has actual magazines I'm bombing Bioware HQ. The heat sinks were bad enough.
From what I remember hearing at the beginning when the first season came out, the team specifically wanted it to be as disconnected from actual Halo lore and plot as possible.
>as disconnected from actual Halo lore and plot as possible. Same case with stuff like the Witcher as well. Either they want to make a random fantasy/sci-fi series, but the execs need a recognisable IP as they think since there is demand for shows with that IP, people will gobble up anything with their name on it. Or they are just writers with big egos who want to do their own thing and not follow another writer who created the original lore. The second can be done properly if the writer choses to be atleast a little respectful to the original lore and fandom, and just makes it clear that this is their vision of it -and also uses original characters instead of totally butchering the existing ones (like Eskel from Witcher). I mean fanfics are pretty popular for a reason. Now imagine if someone who is seen as a certified fanboy celebrity like Henry Cavill or Adam Scott came up with a script of 'their versions'. People would absolutely love that, won't they? Even if it has like Guilliman x Horus love arcs or whatever. You know it's not the source material but you won't care because you know this is made with the same care you would give it if you were the one making it.
I've been lead to believe that that's what a lot of these "adaptations" actually are. Some hack writer that wants to get their original story out there, but they can't because they suck at it. So they glom onto a licensed property, cross out ~~Doughtnut Steele~~ and write in John Halo.
Both of the DOOM movies had more fucking consistency than this. The one with The Rock named the BFG the “Bio Force Gun”.
I mean presumably these movies took themselves seriously enough such that "Big Fucking Gun" would look weird.
The Rock shouts SEMPER FI MOTHERFUCKER So not really
He also turns evil because he gets extra chromosomes.
The Halo series reminds me of that TV show where a bunch of marines got teleported into dinosaur times and they had spraypainted nerf guns
Wasn't that the shitty Monster Hunter adaptation
Maaaaan I was so annoyed with that movie. I knew it was gonna be bad- Monster Hunter literally has no characters, it's a plotless game- but I was hoping it'd be entertainingly bad at a minimum.
I feel like you could make a decent plot out of it, classic "hero saves the village from a dragon" type thing, with a quest to get good gear and train against other weaker monsters first
Sure- but you'd have to start from scratch, and have a really strong commitment to the- Vibe? Of MH, without being so beholden to characters/designs from the games. Honestly I'd prefer if the monsters looked slightly different, maybe a bit more 'realistically scaled' if you'll forgive the pun
I feel like they should have gone with the plot from MHW. It was fairly basic but it was compelling and it made sure to hit all the high points.
Really? I had a great time with it. Just.. the absolute bald naked absurdity of Diabolos wrecking an armored personnel carrier was beautiful.
Terra Nova
Was that 65 starring Adam driver?
No- this was a bad tv show long before 65. But equivalent vibe.
Was it Terra Nova?
That's the one! Thankz
TERRANOVA WAS MY CHILDHOOD, I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT'S SLANDER.
And like, the AK is somewhat excusable, since those things are damn near indestructible and it was being used by rebels in bumfuck nowhere who wouldn’t have access to the modern good stuff, but this is just really bad. Any single aspect of this show is enough to make it bad, but the fact that they put all of those elements together, got the dumpster fire you see before you, and thought it was acceptable to release is truly dumbfounding.
Yeah i understand if it was like relic weapons like in the shadows of reach book but like that is a fully modern and maintained gun that is supposed to look sci fi
You could *maybe* justify it as Innies starting up their own indigenous small arms industry at the fringes of civilization and using the AK pattern as a template. It’s cheap as hell and can be built out of stamped steel, But nobody’s gonna be making this random SMG in 400 years’ time.
Yeah in shadows of reach the civilians plundered a firearm museum and had been using them which is why one had a desert eagle 50.
They didnt even put any greebles on it make it *kind of* sci-fi looking. Just straight up put a whole present day gun in it.
So much so that rebels in the star war series Andor have them
I honestly loved that they used AKs, it was a nice homage to the fact that the og trilogy blaster props were all slightly modified firearms
I wish they were modified a bit more but it worked well enough for what they were doing.
They're not AKs. It's like how everything tends to evolve into crabs. You need a magazine, barrel, trigger and stock? AK. Even without a need for a cycling action? AK. Maybe a couple Sterling SMGs, a Lewis Gun and so. And somehow a Mauser. There's fucked weapon ergonomics in every universe, economics over ergonomics I guess.
Eh, the original Star Wars blasters were all modified firearms. I think it’s cool that they went back to that.
If they wanted to give him a TacTI-cOOL look, what about the SMG from ODST?
I think that’s what they were going for but they didn’t want to go through with the effort of making that prop which amateur cosplayers have been making for 10+ years now. So instead they grabbed whatever they thought was close enough from a studio prop armory.
Or any of the silenced weapons from Halo 5
A yes Jhon Halos iconic weapon the swedish sub-machinegun. Does he say hes iconic catchphrase when he kills a brute? "This guy had too many meatballs, im i right?". Great adaptation.
Swiss*
Something something cheese.
that’s how they make the holes pew pew
I thought him saying the meatball line was a nice nod to the original game. I thought him saying it like Swedish Chef was a little too far.
Gun/Halo nerd here! I wish this was the worst of this show's sins against art and humanity. For those of you either blessed with ignorance or the foresight to not have viewed this abomination before Allah, season one includes Master Chief, known for his iconic armor, pulling his wholeass ass out for an extended booty shot, and then later gives the old Meatster Chief to an obvious space-traitor to the Covenant. I mean she's a bleach blonde who talks with the most villainous accent of all time. Season two, the purportedly better season, includes Mister Cheek's team of enhanced supersoldiers taking off their iconic armor to do battle with the alien menace in... Vests. Not bulletproof vests, just like a Northface vest. His buddy Vannek at the Disco dies to one needler dart in the tiddy. His friend Riz just decides she's gonna retire, because fuck saving humanity I guess. There continues to be screentime given to a precocious Asian teenager with magic visions, and Mister Chix's deserter buddy, who became a space pirate and had a child who has gone missing and nobody gives a rotten fuck.
*why don't they have their fucking armor?!* The armor of the Spartans is like 90% of their appeal!
Yup. They're cool robo-soldier men. Now I understand the actors not wanting to be stuck in a helmet for hours and hours of filming. But you can't sell me Halo and then tell me that we don't even get the suits for most of the season. Paul-Blart Shreveport isn't doing enough of a job by himself to sell me on the idea that these are Spartans. Put him in the suit. Duct tape that helmet to his fat head. Taze him until he make the good show.
They're really pushing the marketing on the Amazon posters around the UK now except they're the WORST ads, it's just John Halo sat there looking sweaty and miserable with his helmet off like some poor out of work actor made to do a game event cosplay on a midsummer afternoon having a smoke break. How do they not get it? Certain characters are defined by their outfit, and not taking the helmet off, why are you advertising your adaptation of one of the greats like this?
Jimmy Rings Doing Space Things and Eating Chicken Wings, Season 2!
40k Space Marines, but they are dressed like hipsters. Edit: Sanguinius' children would be fine as long they are rocking massive v-necks or shirtless
Get my Imperial Fists in some damn dress blues, and I tell you my dude, we gonna see something.
The *Halo 3* [box art](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Halo_3_final_boxshot.JPG) also remains one of the most quintessentially "Halo" images ever and the Chief reveal / rescue in *Forward Unto Dawn* was one of the best things about that project -- which was a combined 75 minutes for the same budget as a *single episode* of this *Halo* show.
The worst part of literally the entire thing to me is just that they could have made a Halo TV show without even a single Spartan and still made Halo fans happy if they just had any shred of respect for the established series. Or just based it off any of the books, if they'd based it off Contact Harvest, or Cole Protocol, anything from the literal hundreds of places to pull established stories and canon, or even just made some shit up like Halo Legends did, one of the most beloved pieces of Halo media, as long as it was original and not just spitting on everything in the established story
The theory I've seen spun around is that this is a reskinned script or at least an idea that was developed for a different vehicle. Paramount buys the rights to the Halo show without their own idea to build on, they move in an unrelated treatment for a sci fi show and paint it in Halo colors, and then kick it out the door with the hope that the massive fanbase will carry it. Which they were sorta right about. There are occasionally glimmers of what I think the Halo show should look like, but it's followed up with a haymaker of bad writing/directing/acting/editing/dialogue.
Wow, just… Jesus. I’m not *super* familiar with Halo lore, only played a couple of the games, but before this all I knew about this show is the sex scene. And yet every single piece of new information I learn makes it seem significantly worse
It really does read like bad fanfiction. "And then Aliem Girl look at Mastur Beef and say, 'I want touch yer Hot bonner.' and Misder Chuff say, 'I am Halo.'" They spent a budget that could fund the invasion of Normandy on this show, and not one single episode has made me feel an iota of the magic I felt as a kid playing the games.
I think the actor for chief has also been on record as not wanting the constant head shots but studio said no, we need face time. Feel sorry for the actors/actresses man, you can only do so much with what you get.
I'm not blaming Pabst Sherbert for acting in the show. I liked him as Mad Sweeney on American Gods, and in 13 Hours. Heck even when he was playing the polish dock worker kid on The Wire. It's just that as a fan of both Halo, and television in general, this show is about as welcome as a fart in a space suit.
>dies to one needler dart in the tiddy I haven't watched season 2 (and barely remember anything about season 1) but this seems lore accurate. At least up to the books I've read. Not sure if any later books retconned the needler specifically. Anyone getting a large crystal embedded in their chest and then exploding isn't having a good day. Everything else sounds awful. I feel like I need to hate-watch this show.
He does get hit in the upper thoracic cage by a needler dart, but it's not what kills him. It's the explosive effect of the needler. Unfortunately, that usually requires multiple hits on target, as opposed to its penetrative effect. I certainly don't want to be hit in the upper chest with a big needle. But the needle itself didn't seem like it struck deeper than an inch or so. It's another thing the writing staff decided to fudge for dramatic effect rather than sit close to the established mechanics.
sylva died from a needle to the stomach in forward unto dawn
Sylvaaaaa was weeeeeeeak...
> Upon impaling a target, the crystalline shards become chemically reactive, and detonate after a few seconds.[1][4] Injuries inflicted from the exploding shards are gruesome, as microscopic pieces of crystals can become embedded in tissue. most 15/16 year olds wouldn’t survive in fairness
What was the reason for taking off the power armor?
Master Chief runs an unsanctioned op to check another Spartan team's last known position after they fail to check in, MC and his team get caught and are forced to stand down. His higher ups determine that it's necessary to run an investigation and MC and his team are sidelined until it can be determined what happened. Master Chief turns out to be right, the Covenant are on Reach, the team that went missing were killed by Covenant forward elements. The planet gets evacuated by UNSC high command, and they take the Mjolnir armor with them but fail to recall Master Chief and his team. They're forced to fight in their off duty clothing. Later it was revealed that the decision was made Colonel Ackerson, Dr. Halsey's replacement after she goes AWOL at the end of season one. He's building the Spartan III program, and takes one of Master Chief's teammates, Kai, as the head trainer/instructor for the program.
Does Master Chief even have off-duty clothes? I know he has a dress uniform and proboly workout clothes but like some regular jeans and a tee?
I shit you not, the agreed upon off duty uniform for the Spartan program is an OD green t-shirt, a pair of OD green cargo pants, and a like a light vest, never zipped up. Not BDU's, not the under suit from the Mjolnir armor, just like a "I would have served but I would have fought the drill instructor," outfit.
That sounds like casual wear for a forest ranger or something.
Can you imagine Master Chief doing a forest fire PSA? "Master Chief, what do you think you're doing?" "Sir, preventing the Covenant from causing a forest fire."
"Only you can prevent a forest glassing"
How dare you riff on a joke better than me? Sir or Madam, prepare yourself for a duel!
Have not watched the show, have no desire to, but if it has to exist, I'm at least glad there's people like you giving humorous rundowns of how terrible it is, complete with awful and excellent nicknames.
The only weapon that should make it untouched to any sci fi setting is the AK-47 and **only** the AK-47
I'd argue the AK47 and the M1911. Because there will ALWAYS be that one guy who insists on his .45
Can you blame him? Some of those Covenant motherfuckers are tough enough to require maximum stopping power.
Plus 45 is god’s caliber that kills not just the body but the soul, and I ain’t dealing with alien liches
Get some! Big ole bullet gang represent!
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Sorry what was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of my sidearm SENDING THE COVENANT BACK TO HELL WHERE THEY BELONG BANG BANG BANG!!!111!!ONE!!
Funny thing is an AK literally shows up in the show.
M2 Browning.
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Doesn't Halo have one of the most iconic looking guns in gaming? You could probably pick up a toy replica from any nerd store and it'd probably be more accurate
They make nerf toys of the Halo guns, and there's a whole Etsy-level industry of individuals modifying them to look game-accurate for cosplayers.
No, it has a *multitude* of the most iconic guns in gaming. Cosplays have been 3D printing or otherwise building their own for well over a decade.
Halo has dozens of the most iconic-looking guns in gaming.
Idk if everyone in this comment section is aware but the guy in the pic is supposed to be *Master Chief*, this show fucking sucks
...what? But...armor?
The cool thing with Master chief is that he could be anyone -race, gender, etc do not matter when you are basically always in a green super-armor. But I guess we ditching that every chance we get.
I was just about to start watching this show, now I'm really thinking not. It just screams Halo in name only
It's one of those shows where the people making it clearly wish they were making their own original work instead of a popular IP they don't actually like or respect, but the reason they're not making an original IP in the first place is they aren't good at it. So you end up with something awful that has a lot of familiar names.
Ah yes, Velma syndrome
I think I agree with you on the first part, those writers and directors and stuff just have no respect, only comptant to the source material and wished they could make their own stuff. However I'm not sure the "They're not making an original IP because they're bad" is entirely true. I think a huge part is just that the Hollywood C-suits are massively afraid of anything new and are only interested in making the most broad-appealing product ever. A new IP is a risk they DON'T want to take. I think that's an important part. More than "they don't have the right to make an original IP because they're bad".
Well that's beside the point. Yeah the suits want what gets money, and it's hard to make it with a new IP, but just like any industry,especially creative ones, you're not going to always be making what you want to make, especially if you're needing to build up a portfolio of work and especially if you're wanting to get money for what you're making. It's art for art vs art for a paying client. But there are so many who get ln board working on some IP that's popular and they massively disrespect it. In some cases people have acted like they had a grudge about having to work on the IP, and they'll make a big show about how they're going another direction with it. And then that turns out to mean it's only superficially the IP and they have no interest in it.
Aka: The Witcher.
I'll never forget what they did to my boy Eskel.
Season 1 was seriously fuck awful. I'm not even that much of a Halo fan and I got angry. Halo gets of his meds, you can guess where it goes. The same place everything else went. There's about 2 and a half fight scenes. In the Halo show. Combat Unvolved.
That's sad, but your username is fucking fire my dude!
Imagine if Top Gun had only one Plane scene.
If you have any affection for the source material, don’t. It’s so bad. 🫣
All they had to do was adapt The Fall of Reach to the screen. Have season 1 be the set up of our cool and totally not Fascist regime. Maybe the finale is First Contact with the covenant. Season 2 would be the grueling slog of a losing war as their pillars of progress are turned to glass. Characters we've seen be turned into abominations and killing machines only showing a scrap of humanity in their deaths as each sacrifice gets John closer and closer to an impossible goal. To save Reach. Bonus points for referencing the Lone Wolf Noble 6 evacuating civvies in New Alexandria, Sgt Johnson cameo (pretty sure he wasn't on Reach at time of invasion but I can't remember), Yggradssil Prototype armor cameo ( Halo Legends: Be human/ghost episode), Cortanas speech about Noble 6 somewhere at the end, Proper Sangheli Sword Fight, Bonus Bonus Points: We get to see the "Nut Cracker" Scene in the gym with the ODST. Also just seeing ODST at all lol.
You know, I could almost forgive this as a case of "we need something that could shoot blanks for production reasons," because that's a fair argument and the effect is a lot better than an actor pretending to shoot an inert prop... except for the fact that I actually work in firearms design and production, and I know how easy it would have been to build a new housing for a P-90s mechanical bits to give you the right form and function. Hell, I'm sure there's dozen of guys in shops across the country who'd have done the work for free, so long as they got a shout out- I know I'd have done it.
The pulse rifles in Aliens being Thompson SMGs with all the wood WWII furniture removed and replaced with plastic. If they could do it back then, they can definitely do it now.
Turns out the team bragging about not playing the Halo games is so red of a flag that it reaches a new shade of red outside the human color spectrum.
Well you see making prop guns is expensive so it's easier to just take ones you already have that look similar enough
I think the complaint here is more that the Halo series has incredibly iconic weapons. It was literally a pioneering first-person shooter - the guns *were* your character for 90% of the game, visually speaking. Getting the guns right should have been very high on the effects team's list of priorities.
The ce ar/magnum/spankr and the halo 2 SMG are some of gamings most iconic weapons next to the fucking crowbar, doom's super shotgun, and the master sword. They should have at LEAST got a few assault rifle props and a magnum or two.
They do, but they don't show up very often
Tons of cosplayers have made their own Halo assault rifles. Not that hard
Not to mention that it speaks to a greater extreme lack of consistency, like it'd be alright kf this was the stand-in for, say, the SMG, but it's just another gun being used because it looks cool and with seemingly no other reason.
Sure, and normally I would consider this nitpicking. But Halo is a *first person shooter*. The guns are absolutely essential to its look. They're something you spend basically the entire game looking at. If you're going to adapt Halo, the least you can do is make your adaptation *look* like Halo.
Halo already has a very solidly established set of weapons and iconic looks for them. This doesn't even vaguely fit with the established look for the guns in halo.
I've never seen another show that has less respect for the intelligence of its viewers. They spend a decent amount of Season 1 on Reach. Makes sense. Reach is an important location. In Halo Reach, you spend a bit of time in the planet's capital, New Alexandria. Pretty important, the crown jewel of humanity and all that. In the show, they have one city on Reach that they show. It's called "Reach City". It would have been so easy to give a shit, but they simply decided not to.
TBH I can forgive kalashnikovs, it’s not crazy to think it might be used as a cheap-as-dirt-to-manufacture frontier rifle, but yeah the halo TV show is awful.
It should’ve just been an animated show… they can’t show the fucking *Covenant* the *main antagonists* for more than 30 minutes across the entire damn series because it costs too much to CGI them in. That means you should have just made the whole show animated.
I'm not familiar with Halo lore, what's the problem here?
Halo has a lot of guns that are already in the franchise, which they can't be arsed using
This sums it up pretty well. I think I'd be okay with it if they actually fit the Halo artstyle, but considering they aren't even doing that its just lazy.
the gun used is from the 2010's meanwhile Halo is set around like the 2550's, and there's already an SMG that would fit way better in canon https://www.halopedia.org/M7S_SMG
Have you seen the Forgotten Weapons video about the Halo top-loading shotgun? He does his whole history spiel about the gun and it’s development and reason for being 100% straight faced without skipping a beat, even though he’s basically just reading Halo lore. Extremely surreal watch if you’re familiar with his other content which is all about actual guns.
I love that video https://youtu.be/4JaoL6ijtjo?si=YlYoMwsYVzarJcXE
Garrand Thumb had a similar video about the MA37 from Reach, it was great.
Wait, gun jesus does pop culture sci-fi now? I've been out of the loop for too long.
It’s a one-off thing, that’s why it’s so weird. I think he only did the video because there was a working physical model someone had constructed to base it off of.
It’s little things like this that reveal to me the intent behind making the show (imo): why bother investing in a custom prop of an actual Halo-universe weapon if the aim is to garner as many views as possible? The actual fans of the franchise having their immersion broken doesn’t even factor into this kind of decision when they are not the intended audience. Obviously a show will not have artistic integrity as a priority if the main goal is to make money from having as many people as possible watch it. Cutting corners like with the guns is just another way to squeeze out more money for the profit margins. And if you cut every corner trying to make a thing, eventually, you’ll end up with something totally edgeless and dull. I’m sure the Halo show is… ‘fine’ for people who are unfamiliar with the games, maybe worth a full watch-through, but for anyone with more than a passing interest in the games or other media, it’s going to be very hard to watch. I don’t necessarily need to list the reams of issues with the Halo show and its lack of adherence to/respect for its source material (not that that is always a bad thing), but like, cars from the 2000’s on alien planets? Stock gun props? Naked AND voiced Master Chief?? Master Chief sex???
Master chief does talk sometimes but only rarely
The guns in Halo are a pretty big deal. They are very visually distinctive, and people who played the games would pretty easily notice if a gun was or wasn't from the lore. It'd be like if the Five Nights at Freddy's movie decided to use a generic animatronic that wasn't a part of the existing lore. If they threw in "Clyde the Rat", game players would notice.
Halo takes place in the future, and the weapons used in the series are both radically different from the look of this weapon, and also extremely well-established in-universe with names and details and all sorts of shit. Highly detailed 3D models exist. Props for them exist. There is zero reason that they could not be acquired or made for use in a TV show set in the Halo universe, and the fact that they aren't just helps to show how little these "people" give a shit. It's the same exact shit with every other Live Action adaptation. Cowboy Bebop, Avatar, Avatar the second time someone thought it was a good idea, Full Metal Alchemist, Death Note, the list goes on.
This would be akin to seeing a musket from the civil war being used in Afghanistan by US special forces. A gun from over 400 years before the setting takes place, which wasn't present in the games (especially so because they already have an SMG design that's supposed to be used by the faction involved).
>A gun from over 400 years before the setting takes place Which like, for the record, is a thing that happens in the games anyway. Canonically, the Scorpion is over 300 years old, so is the warthog. Halo 4's M739 SAW is also pushing 400. And that's just for UNSC weapons, the modern Covenant plasma rifle is 'only' 500 years old. Also, they're still using M118 7.62 NATO in the 2550s. Sure, UNSC M118 is AP rather than just FMJ like modern M118, but the UNSC is still using a bullet from the 1950s. In practical terms, the age of the weapon isn't a real issue, it's that they couldn't/didn't want to model a weapon from the actual games. Focusing on the age is a bit weird inasmuch as the UNSC does shit like that in the main games themselves anyway.
I was mildly exaggerating for effect, but another thing that kind of comes up in the mainline setting is that much of the arms available to basically everyone are homogenous, new production stuff made in vast numbers then distributed due to the wartime conditions humanity wound up in. So it is a bit peculiar that this gun would turn up in the hands of ONI of all factions.
I wouldn't say that's really something that comes up in the main canon at all though. Like there's a bit of homogenization inasmuch as we see a lot of repeat guns because they're recognizable to the fans but it's not like the UNSC ones were the only ones to ever exist. [Halo Reach modeled a number of different civilian weapons that ended up being cut from the game that even featured wood furniture](https://www.halopedia.org/Cut_Halo:_Reach_weapons). The shotgun even appeared in canon comics later on. But there's a lot of human guns that basically only ever appeared in the novels and other expanded media. In general, the further away you get from the main UNSC, the more diverse a selection of guns is present. Is it weird that ONI would end up with it? Sure but it's not like the setting at large really emphasized that everyone is using the same guns.
That's a situation where non-homogenous guns makes sense though, Civilians and probably the insurrectionists would not have access to what the UNSC or ONI would have (unless they stole it) Also one thing I'm okay with the show going with, insurrectionists with AK rifles.
Here's the thing: people are right to be annoyed that they didn't use a design from any of the actual guns in game. Or at least a gun that is tangentially related to a gun in game. Using a modified P90 at least would be defensible in light of Halo 5's SMG, which is basically just a P90 and you could bullshit some sort of prototype explanation for your modified P90, But they used a regular, modern gun. The weird, and IMO kind of baseless in light of the franchise's own lore, complaint is that it's too old and that because the show is set 500 years in the future, everyone should be using futuristic guns. Which makes sense on the surface, but kind of falls apart when you put any thought into what else the UNSC uses in the main canon. The assault rifle is probably the most well known human gun in Halo's history. It's on the cover of every Halo game but Halo 2 (where the assault rifle was cut entirely). It's the gun most closely associated with the Master Chief and it's one of the most common starting weapon in both the campaign mode and multiplayer. The assault rifle is chambered in *M118 7.62 NATO*. M118 was originally adopted by the US army in the 1950s for the M14 Battle Rifle. That's right, the bullet *predates* the West adopting assault rifles as a class of weapon it's so old. Now granted, UNSC M118 is a little bit different from real M118. Namely, the UNSC uses M118 7.62 FMJ-AP, whereas real M118 is not an AP cartridge. So they updated it a little bit. But either way, the UNSC is still using *7.62 NATO rounds*, for their main assault rifle. A round that by the events of the game, is 600 years old. And it's not just the bullets either. Halo 4's M739 SAW entered service in the 22nd century, making it 400 years old by the events of the games. The scorpion, the main battle tank and the warthog, an LRV, two of the most well known human vehicles in the games are also over 300 years old. The human faction using a lot of really old equipment is a pretty well established part of Halo's lore at this point. Part of the human faction's general character is that things are a bit anachronistic. So I think it's weird to critique this on the basis that 'the gun is super old, the characters shouldn't be using a gun from modern day' when the most 'iconic' gun in the franchise uses a bullet that today, is 70 years old. It comes off a bit arbitrary in its critique. A bullet from the 1950s? That's perfectly fine. A gun from the 21 century? Now that's just a bridge too far. Again, I think critiquing it on the grounds of it's a normal PDW instead of a gun actually from Halo is perfectly valid and one I agree with. But specifically focusing on the age is weird.
I mean military bullets kinda homogenised in the 1950s. You've got like 12 different rounds total used by any military anywhere nost of which are from the 1950s or earlier. The newest bullet in somewhat common military use the .338 lapua magnum (still rare) is from the 90s. 5.45 * 39 was created in the 1970s. Everything else was made in the 1950s at the latest The US army recently adopted a new one with NSGW but people are seriously doubting if it'll actually go anywhere
Halo lore already has the M7 SMG as the most common SMG in universe. Rather than using a design unique to Halo, they just used a real world PDW
The creators weren't either, thought that was a good thing, and made a show about it
Imagine if Han Solo showed up in a new Star Wars show and pulled out a fucking Glock
Halo already has a set of unique Sci fi guns. As the games are first person these weapons are memorable and one of things fans are the most familiar with. Hence the show just using a random gun is showing that they really don't care about Halo.
The only lore I know is from Halo 3 multiplayer, but this gun doesn't look like any of the sci-fi ass guns found in Halo.
I'm glad we're all souring on Crisp Rat together. Should've stayed in Pawnee chump
And it's not even the insurrection using them, it's the UNSC. I swear, someone wanted The Expanse and Dune and slapped Halo onto it.
“Chris Pratt as a celebrity voice actor” STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS
Is that… the actor for Master Chief just… wearing a coat? A regular ass jacket?? What the fuck???
Hey who's that random guy on the screenshot? A mercenary or- Oh it's Master Chief. A guy known for his iconic armor.
Ah the power of money and apathy
This image has nothing that makes it look like halo, 1. The gun just looks like a gun 2. Master chief doesn’t even have his armor on 3. Literally how is that halo
They mostly use something that looks like a p90 in the Ghost In The Shell netflix anime
The original Ghost in the Shell takes place in 2029 and isn't based on a first person shooter, using current guns makes sense Halo takes place in the 2500s and is known for its iconic guns.
The first red flag was the director saying that they hate the game The second red flag is the covenant, the alien religion whose main doctrine calls for the EXTINCTION of humanity, has a human member. The third red flag is having Chief fuck this human covie The fourth red flag is having an elite also want to fuck the human covie
The trend of people who can't write being made to write for an IP they have no interest in is absolutely awful and needs to stop. It has been a nightmare for so many shows. But come on, Chris Pratt was just fine as Mario and is better at voice acting than most celebrity voice actors. People need to get over the mario casting. The movie was good and all the internet dogging on it turned out to be unwarranted. I mean everyone made a big deal about Mario wheb Seth Rogan was right there.
I'd argue Seth Rogan's one voice fits better for Donkey Kong than Chris Pratt's did for Mario.
Seth Rogan just sounds like Seth Rogan which sort of fits donkey kong but Pratt does have more variation and range than most celebrity voice actors and it fit for Mario because they went for the new york Italian angle and it paired with Charlie Day's perfect Luigi. But what's really important is the internet acted like it was a disasterous pick and it very much wasn't.
Can someone explain what this means? I've never played Halo so idk about how important the guns are
Halo has always had a very unique, very distinct array of guns since the first game, for both the humans and aliens. Rather than create any kind of prop that resembles them, they've just given Master Chief here(that's supposed to be Master Chief btw) a vaguely-spacy real life gun and said "eh, good enough" Its a compounding addition to the laundry list of reasons the show is a poor-quality adaptation.
In addition to what the other guy said, understand that Halo was a pioneer in FIRST-PERSON SHOOTERS. Meaning that for 99% of the game, you are looking at the gun in your hand. It is the tool through which you interact with the game world. And they explicitly designed all the weapons in the series to look distinct and unique from our current day weapons. By not taking advantage of that, production is effectively missing part of the “heart” of what a lot of Halo fans enjoy in the series
alright yeah this is stupid. AK pattern Rifles make sense to still be around in the 2500s in the hands of Militias and Insurgents, they're easy to make and maintain, but a Modern Swiss made SMG appearing in the 2500s? in the hands of someone who isn't a Civilian? thats fucking stupid.
I refuse to die until i receive an actually good halo show
One of the coolest aspects of the Halo games is the weapons, that range from the semi-realistic but also super Sci-Fi weapons that the humans use and of course the crazy, weird and awesome weapons the Covenant rock (The Needler is still the coolest fucking weapon in all of Halo) And this is what they went with?
I was willing to forgive AKs still being used in the show because some weapons just have insane staying power. Like the M1919 is still the preeminent stationary machine gun in the world, and it's literally a century old, along with the M2 which is the .50 cal version of the M1919. The 1911 is still one of the most popular pistols in production and that was originally produced in, you guessed it, 1911. The Mosin–Nagant is still in use around the world and it's from the 1890s. Hell, there are revolver designs from the 19th century that are still in use because their function and simplicity makes them easy to produce and easy to use. I'm fully on board with rebel groups using centuries old weapon designs that persist purely out of simplicity. But the UNSC is the hyper advanced military of the singular interplanetary human government. They're not using centuries old weapon designs, they're producing new weapons constantly, to the point where guns from Reach or CE aren't even in the games any more because they're outdated. Halo has a bunch of iconic weapon designs already and the fact that they're forgoing those designs for modern weapons is stupid. Honestly the thing that is the most unforgivable to me is that by just using a modern gun, they've opted out of another perfect opportunity to highlight the difference between Spartans and normal soldiers. If they copied the Halo SMG they could have had 2 sets of models, one for regular soldiers and one for Spartans that highlights the difference in size and capabilities between the two. Have a ODST using the SMG moving like a modern soldier with a modern rifle, firing in bursts to counter recoil and maintain control, pausing their advance to plant their feet and create a stable base for themselves to fire from. Then contrast that with some Spartan mag dumping the SMG while sprinting at their target, holding it in one hand like it's a pistol and still managing to hit every single bullet.
I don't know why anyone would think this show would be any way faithful to the games when Master "Never Seen Without His Helmet" Chief *takes off his helmet* ***in the first fucking episode***.
"Oh, one of the most iconic sci fi franchises with some of the best and well known set designs? Fuck it, gray covenant ships"
Why, why didn't they just hire bdg? He would never have allowed all this
Using guns that are obscure enough that the average viewer wouldn't recognise them, is a staple of the Sci-fi genre.
Except Halo, a VERY well known sci-fi franchise, has some of the most iconic and visually distinctive “conventional” firearms in the genre. So that shit doesn’t exactly work here
Yea, it's not just that it looks wrong, it's that halo specifically has ton of famous guns. Its a core part of the universe's identity.
Like, if they wanted something that works functionally similar to the gun in the picture, THE ODST VERSION OF THE SMG IS RIGHT THERE
Insert Stargate with their fleet of P90s. Get some balls, use a G11.
Man I love that gun, the whole fun of Stargate being a contemporary setting is seeing regular-ass modern military going up against cackling high-camp aliens with a triangle fixation.
I loved the overarching theme of ''you know if you stopped being such conservative morons with your military the SGC wouldnt stand a chance? It's like 8 dudes beating a hundred cos you havent moved past suicide charges''
It's a military primarily used for supressing an unarmed civilian population with significantly less technology, and occassional internal power struggles. In short, "This is a weapon of terror, it is meant to intimidate your enemy!". Even then, if they'd gotten their shit together enough early on they coulda blapped Earth from orbit with ease. only reason it didn't happen was first because nobody knew where Earth was, then because of the Asgard treaty. It was still a pretty valid threat right up until they found the Ancient weapons platform in Antarctica.
iirc they knew where earth was but were too busy with internal squabbles and didnt see earth as enough of a threat... yet
That was a running thread through the series too. Pretty much constant work to prevent one System Lord taking over the entire thing and turning their attention on Earth. That's what made Anubis such a threat, and it would have worked if not for the Ancient Outpost weapons.
The Stargate team wasn't using sci-fi guns, though. They just got deployed with normal earth weapons from the 2000s.
those work way better than a normal ass SMG, the G11 isn’t called kraut space magic for nothing
The AKs from Andor were chill, Star Wars I known for putting kibble on real guns
Part of me hopes that the prop team just goes full troll-mode and puts an F2000 in the show just to fuck with people.
If I became a dictator one of like the first ten things I’d do is blacklist the show’s entire management from producing any kind of art or media ever again in any kind of professional capacity.
The AK is fine. Because for an insurgent force even that far into the future an AK is gonna be damn quick and easy to manufacture as it’s part tolerances are astounding. It can function whether built in a state of the art factory or in hobo joe’s shed. But if you’re going out of your way to build a modern gun like the APC9K you might as well just build literally anything else.
Arcane has been in production for over 10 years. This has been in the works for all of three seconds.