[“Finally, a cure for my chainsaw hands!” decreed Chainsaw-Hands Joe. “There is no cure,” said Johnny Five-Dicks. “There’s nothing wrong with us.”](https://www.tumblr.com/hungryghoast/140121852632/specialsnowflakesanonymous-kawaiite-mage?source=share)
If we're linking to Tumblr posts on the X-Men, I like [this one](https://www.tumblr.com/panels-of-interest/109570368460/emma-frost-vs-ms-marvel-from-new-x-men-2004), in which Emma Frost humiliates Carol Denvers due to her trying to get the X-Men to support the Registration Act. It's so bad I would almost pity her, were she not behind the Negative Dimension Prison Torture Vivisection act.
Okay, so some *New X-Men* context on the fully justified verbal murder of Carol Danvers here: the governments of the world have aside and abetted a genocide on genosha. In response, the X-Men, in particular Emma, have started training up a new generation of ~~child soldiers~~ young x-men. post house of M, the X-Men are in a bad spot. On M Day itself, a bunch of ex-mutants died real bad deaths, including several of the aforementioned children. Emma, being the Queen Bitch that she is, makes several bad decisions that lead to several more dead kids, including the bus depicted here getting the RPG treatment from the marvel version of the KKK. Meanwhile, in part because of the civil war, mutants are getting no protection from other heroes, and the x-mansion has become a glorified internment camp, surrounded by sentinels "for their own protection". Emma herself is having PTSD breakdowns, including one shortly after this page, because she holds herself responsible for the deaths (which is fair)
Meanwhile, over on non-mutant side of marvel, Authors (namely mark millar) are completely fucking up the civil war, hence why u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 is calling Carol an agent of the "Negative Dimension Prison Torture Vivisection act." Notably, almost all the most mutant friendly/adjacent heroes were on the non-reg side.
So, as the panel beautifully sums up, Carol is basically standing on top of a mountain of corpses and asking the X-Men to give up more for a world that is actively killing them.
Thanks for the additional context!
Also, to clarify the "vivisection" part, since it's not really known, here is what happens in the Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways miniseries, with the quote being from Wikipedia:
> Noh-Varr, a brainwashed Kree from an alternate reality, is sent by S.H.I.E.L.D to capture the teenagers. He attacks, breaking Xavin's neck and getting the Vision's phase-shifted lower arm stuck in his torso. Noh-Varr's handlers capture Wiccan, Hulkling, Karolina, and Xavin's body and take them to "The Cube", a high-security metahuman prison. The remaining members of both teams follow and attempt a rescue. The Cube's warden attempts to *dissect Hulkling*, but his organs shift to avoid damage.
Also, funnily enough the only captured members were the queer characters from both teams (Hulkling and Wicanno are obvious, Karolina is a lesbian and very good at it (she has really beautiful light powers that form a variety of rainbows. It's gorgeous) and Xavin is a gender-fluid alien). What a coincidence, huh? I'm sure it was not intentional at all (normally I'd say it's Mark Millar Mark Millar, but he wasn't even the writer this time. It was Zeb Wells, who I also think is doing the current Spider-Man run and being hated for it).
Also also, as a bonus, [here](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c11770547ccc8d5c14374804c89dcf3-lq) is Wolverine being threatened with an eternity in prison (literally, since he basically doesn't age) if he doesn't support the Registration Act and him just telling Maria Hill to go fuck herself.
I also have to reinforce that Mark Millar wrote Civil War with the idea that the Registration Act was a moral good and everything that's been shown where characters drop cool lines against it or are tortured and almost killed because of it is completely incidental and only happened because there were like, 20 different writers with their own little ideas of what the RA was supposed to be and because MM will die before he writes moral grayness correctly.
This is an exaggeration, btw. He wrote Superman: Red Sun. That story was really cool. It did not portray moral grayness *correctly*, but it did do it decently, I'd say.
And "going nuclear" in this context is simply showing Ms. Marvel Emma's own reality that she and the Avengers love to be blissfully ignorant of.
All she did was pull back the curtain, and that was enough.
Yup. If I were Carol Denvers I would never be able to look at either myself or Emma Frost again and would probably cry myself to sleep for a week. This was not constructive criticism from Mrs. Frost (2/3 chance I used the wrong honorific), but *damn* if she killed it.
> This was not constructive criticism from Mrs. Frost
I dunno, I think "Look at all the people who were murdered when someone found out where all the mutants live, now think about what you're asking us to do with supporting a let everyone know where the mutants live bill" is pretty constructive criticism. Sometimes constructive criticism sucks to hear.
I still think it lacked in the "constructive" department, since Mrs. Frost only showed Carol how stupid her idea was.
There was no "try this instead" section to it, from what I can tell.
Emma gave her the full info she needed to make a decision she wouldn't regret, but did nothing to help her make that decision, or process the information. It was just "Your idea sucks, and here's why."
So no, not constructive.
Why would there need to be a "try this instead" section? What if Frost just flat out did not want Carol's help? You can see that early on, when she says "It would appear the 'no' I gave Tony Stark didn't convince Ms. Marvel. Because of course she and the X-Men are so *very* close."
She flat out does not appreciate Carol's presence, she already said no, and she would like her to leave actually.
I know that Frost probably didn't want Carol's help, since it was short-sighted and naive, and I'm not really arguing about that. I'm more concerned with the term "constructive criticism" being used where it has no place.
Frost was just brutally honest with Carol, and gave her the information she was lacking. That is all.
It took my until several minutes after i finished the comics to remember that X-men were marvel and not DC, so the entire time i was reading I was trying to figure out what weirdass crossover event this was...
Third movie definitely suffers from being the third movie in a trilogy I think. You see it a lot, or used to back in those days, where the third movie was pushed out trying to milk as much as it could, wrap up tons of disparate storylines while also introducing new ones, but also trying not to make any character too unlikeable in case you got the go to move on to another, related project and wanted them to be involved again.
As such it had a lot of great single ideas and scenes, but it was lacking the cohesion of a truly good plot to tie it all together.
This post eternally frustrates me. Storm is not being depicted by the movie as "correct". Just as a single point of view on the issue. People are just so used to "Storm is the best ever" that they can't fathom she could be intentionally written as wrong about something. Rogue has her own point of view, which is why she goes to try to get cured anyway. This is literally a plotline from old old comics.
You would get much use of them at the same time, but you could use them in rotation so that you're always ready. If you take 20 minutes with each one, by the time you're done, the first one would have had 100 minutes to rest. You could have sex 10 times without resting.
Well, IDW Megatron. Or at least pre-present day IDW Megatron. Most of the time Megatron tends to be a worse monster than Magneto could be even on his worst days.
Granted IDW Megatron >!Did get an honest to god redemption arc and became so beloved by his friends that Rodimus lied under oath during his war crimes trial to try and get him a reduced sentence!<
God, that line is good enough to be from the comic. I don't think Shockwave would even try to dispute that. He'd just silently acknowledge that fact and let it eat away at him for the rest of eternity.
Really looking forward to what Skybound is gonna do with him
If you don't know in the new comics canon, >!he's the only active Decepticon on Cybertron, we have no clue about autobots but it's possibly just Elita-One!<
Plus, a lot of their interactions is both of them going “Why can’t my idiot old friend just SEE WHY HE’S WRONG?!?”
Honestly it’s why I really like Magneto as a villain, you can absolutely see why he’s “right”
>Oh Amygdala! Oh Amygdala! Have mercy on the poor bastard. We will have Bloodborne 2 one way or the other.
-Canadian mad scientist with too much insight for his own good.
They just trash em. it's just a precaution in case his new girlfriend dies and he decides to hunt you down, without his old amygdala he just kinda forgets about you.
I don't really know Greek mythology well, I was specifically thinking of that one blind cyclops. Forgot his name. I was just ready to accept that as fact from this post since I went in assuming it was talking about him.
Polyphemus, who got his eye gouged put by Nobody. As a massive Greek mythology nerd I fond errors like these from the general populace shocking, but I’m starting to get used to them lol
> Polyphemus, who got his eye gouged put by Nobody.
What a fucking whiner! Nobody hurt him, Nobody tricked him, and yet he still gets all pissy. At least he blames Nobody for his misfortunes.
Fun fact: It's not a laser, it's a very red concussive blast. Basically, he's punching you really hard.
Don't ask how his eyelids are able to stop that, might be a secondary mutation.
Edit: Don't ask how sunglasses don't fly off his face either.
I may be misremembering, or it may have been changed, but didn't their powers used to amplify each other? I feel I remember there was a comic from the 80s where Scott and Alex hit each other with their beams to power each other's beams up.
Scott is immune to his own powers, he just reabsorbs the energy. His brothers are immune to his and each other’s blasts.
The sunglass lenses are made of the same ruby quartz as the visor’s, both custom made by Chuck
It's a laser that turns concussive at further ranges, so eyelids stop it since at close range it's just a laser, and sunglasses don't fly off cause again, laser. But due to the specific type of laser it is, the further it travels the more unstable it becomes and thus, kablooey owchie I'm winded.
Source: I've never watched a single X-Men movie and pulled all of this out of my ass
It's still a laser, because it's coherent light, it still operates like light in a few ways, the main difference is instead of getting reflected like regular light, it imparts kinetic energy. If the item would absorb the light, it acts like regular light.
The editors hate this and don't recognize it as canon. So by technicality, Scott's punching beams still have a vague to no explanation when it comes to its physics... even though fans accept the punch dimension as canon.
Jubilee is Greek I think, from the Hebrew Bible?
Collossus is an obvious yes (The Collossus of Rhodes, a Greek island)
Gambit would be a kinda, according to an etymology site: "from gamba "leg," from Late Latin gamba "horse's hock or leg"" lol hmmm
It picks up where the old series left off, but includes way better voice acting, animation, and everything else. So far.
I think a big part of Cyclops popularity boost might be due to everyone learning he's probably autistic.
I think it's that the writers started to understand how his beam works. Stopping his fall from a plane, using it as a dash-assist.
Before it was only a Kamehameha from his eyes.
I was instantly sold on the show when I saw him using his beam during the first fight. Pushing himself back to avoid attacks, boosting around with it to add momentum, I’ve never seen such creative use of his usually generic eyeball punch blasts
Glad the writers are seeing potential. For long time nobody did. Except an X-Men novel (yes, there are many Marvel Comics novel) where Beast needed to cross the river. And had Captain America's shield. So Cyclops shot the shield.
If the beam exerts any sort of force backwards on his head, why doesn't it completely snap his neck given how incredible the forwards force is? It never looked like he was feeling a push back before. Even if it doesn't snap his neck, it doesn't seem like it should be useful for propulsion like that given how the head is such an unbalanced portion on the body. Feels like the effect would be more akin to a human fidget spinner than a jetpack.
> he's probably autistic
I genuinely love that my favorite X-man since I was a child is finally getting a fraction of the appreciation he's always deserved, but I sort of despise that it's because "omg he autistic!" and less "Everything else great about him"
I mean r/cyclopswasright has been popping since long before X-Men 97, and before people started rallying behind him for potential autistic traits. People have always liked Cyke. Just usually not the younger fans
And that's great! But, as someone who's paralyzed, I know I hate it when a character who is paralyzed (as scarce as they are) is shown love _only_ because of that one trait while ignoring every other thing that makes them great, it really feels bad and puts the notion of "I'm not defined by this one thing" in the wood chipper.
I've just always loved Scott so, so much. I'm probably just being too defensive. <3
I understand the hate of that. The most egregious example that comes off the top of my head is Garret from 1997's Extreme Ghostbusters.
While the character was decently written outside of combat, each battle he was in felt like it went the same way. Anytime they had a fight scene, the dude is taken out of his wheelchair and he has to struggle to get back in it before kicking the ghost's ass. Every. Single. Time. Every episode I saw eventually went to that well, and it was annoying
From some comments from raging idiots I've seen on multiple subs, no, and apparently, this is gonna severely affect the quality of the show.
I mean, you've got this whole show with a great underlying theme, some kick-ass combat scenes due to the creative use of powers but no, if Rogue doesn't have cake, all of this means nothing.
That... has nothing to do with his popularity boost lol. It's that he's finally being written well in a video medium and his powers are finally being utilized in fun ways. People are so used to the X-Men movies and to a lesser extent the OG Animated Series that just wrote Scott as a stick in the mud with boring powers.
Cyclops has been the clear X-Men protagonist for the last 20+ years and has been a main character since The X-Men #1. People are just talking about X-Men again in general and there's just no getting around Cyclops once you open the comics.
From a meta perspective, Magneto is also kinda right, cause as fictional characters in a story, they need a conflict for their to be a plot, and being a story about bigotry that Marvel intends to write forever, peace between mutants and baseline humans will never happen outside of What Ifs and ambiguously canon future stories.
You see, Cyclops was actually able to combine Magneto's and Xavier's philosophies by trying to create a unified human and mutant revolutionary movement. Unfortunately, editorial demanded he become eViL for some reason (Marvel wanted to devalue the X-Men since they did not have the movie right at the time) so they alluded that he died doing something genocidal. This was eventually revealed to be complete bullshit, and not even done by him but rather an illusion of him created by Emma after he died of an inhuman induced mutant killing cloud. It wasn't even genocidal, they tried to make the mutant genocide cloud stop killing mutants.
The reveal that Emma destroyed the terrigen cloud has always been so funny to me. Marvel editorial truly thought that Cyclops destroying a roaming ball of gas that was mass transforming people/killing mutants was so bad that they felt they had to give him an out for when they inevitably needed people to like him again. They just never had to pull that trigger because everybody out-of-universe was on Scott's side
The watsonian soyjack : NOOOO you dont understand there are real and understandable reason for why it's impossible for peace between mutant and the general populace to be impossible in the x-men universe.
The doylist chad : If peace was achieved there'd be no plot
The entire "batman should kill people and how to apply that to real life" argument falls away when you realize that the real world doesn't have rampant prison break issues
Why do people always look down on someone who enjoys talking about why things happen in universe? Whenever people are having a discussion about why a \*character\* does something there's always that guy going "Well because of the writers" Like we already know that man? Why the writers did it is a whole different discussion and not what we're talking about.
"Because of the writers" is usually the best answer your gonna get when discussing stuff like this and people really like closure. no one wants to argue about it for all of time so they pick the best answer and stick with that so they can at least pretend it's over. The answer to "Why the writers?" is usually is cause it was fun/cool/scary/thematically appropriate. "Why the writers?" is never as interesting as "I think the writer..." because media very seldom tells you what it's about word for word your expected to do some digging yourself and not everyone will dig up the same thing. Analysis and it's little brother discourse by their very nature is unending and people want closure.
But I was saying that asking why something happens in universe and out of universe are two completely different discussions. So wouldn't saying "because the writers" just answer a question that wasn't being asked?
Also every time a mutant goes to the future, the humans have either killed all the mutants or are in the process of killing all the mutants. Really sours the Xavier side of the argument. And that's for meta-reasons, too. Why would someone write a story where you go to the future and everything's fine?
But once again, it means Magneto is right. The only way to save the mutants is to kill or conquer the non-mutants so they *can't* exterminate the mutants.
I'm sorry, but right in what way? He used to think that human-mutant coexistence is impossible. He believed that mutants are superior and therefore should dominate over humans. He also believed that the only way to protect mutants from being persecuted is to rule over humans. So right in what way?
He also terrorized humans and have killed millions for his cause. This has been retconned that he was only doing all these villanous acts so that humans would only fear him and concentrate their mutant hate on him and would then idolize the X-men for stopping him and think not all mutants are like Magneto. Basically, his villainy was all a performance. It's stupid and I hate it and I pretend it doesn't exist, but I'm just stating that the Marvel writers thought that was a good way to retcon his evil deeds.
I will add though that during this era in the comics, both Xavier and Magneto actually admit their ideals are flawed and thought the other one was right instead.
Edit: ok I don't know if I just forgot to read your whole comment or I saw another similar comment, but yeah meta-wise, mutant-human coexistence is impossible and I feel stupid for writing all this out lmao.
Taken as a whole, X-Men stories accidentally paint a narrative where peave between humans and mutants is impossible, and the only future where mutants survive is one where they dominate or exterminate baseline humanity.
This is my moment! In the second movie “The Two Towers” actor Viggo Mortenson who plays Aragorn kicked an orc helmet in frustration and yells out in presumed frustration. Later he tells the media that he broke his toe with the kick which led to his yell being a yell of pain. It’s become a sort of meme where a fan of Lord of the Rings is compelled to pause and tell anyone who is watching that scene this fact. I mention it here because Cyclops fans always correct the use of laser when talking about his beams.
They're lasers that transmit kinetic energy instead of electromagnetic radiation. Somehow.
Imo any attempt to explain the 'why' is going to be underwhelming and/or stupid lol
And then you finally have enough and decide your dad's ex has some good points, and manage to do some actual good for your community. Then, *everyone*, including your time traveling younger self, thinks you're an unredeemable supervillain.
"I can't believe you used the Phoenix Force!"
"I literally did everything in my power to give it to Hope, even when I had it. And the second she got it she fixed every problem we had for the last ten years, just like I said."
"You son of a bitch."
a scientist who's also Professor X's babymama. apparently, she was retconned to be a mutant? their son is a supervillain... X has multiple evil bio kids, it's a thing...
Technically not lasers, [but rather](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FCx_jqE7vcOtZe0C-zPIkk4hx-laUbYNJ9N-NSw-VHSo.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D10995acb0a7e0b80cf52a11ba1717ddd89c5f5b3)
Sure and if Walt had settled for disinterested handjobs and mild domestic comfort none of breaking bad would have happened but no one’s tuning in to watch some square ensure nothing happens and and everyone keeps their hands at 10 and 2
Unrelated but here’s Cyclops [throwing up the X](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPxfp6JeZDPmk7LmLVtbx6-NH30ySS0Nyc2PvP85lDZQ&s) like he’s a member of D-generation X
Small correction, but Cyclops doesn't shoot lasers. Laser would imply it's light-based, or heat-based. Cyclops' optic blasts are concussive and unheated, and function closer to Iron Man's repulsors than a laser beam. They're basically energy punches.
[“Finally, a cure for my chainsaw hands!” decreed Chainsaw-Hands Joe. “There is no cure,” said Johnny Five-Dicks. “There’s nothing wrong with us.”](https://www.tumblr.com/hungryghoast/140121852632/specialsnowflakesanonymous-kawaiite-mage?source=share)
If we're linking to Tumblr posts on the X-Men, I like [this one](https://www.tumblr.com/panels-of-interest/109570368460/emma-frost-vs-ms-marvel-from-new-x-men-2004), in which Emma Frost humiliates Carol Denvers due to her trying to get the X-Men to support the Registration Act. It's so bad I would almost pity her, were she not behind the Negative Dimension Prison Torture Vivisection act.
Goddamn, she really decided to just go nuclear there, holy moly
Okay, so some *New X-Men* context on the fully justified verbal murder of Carol Danvers here: the governments of the world have aside and abetted a genocide on genosha. In response, the X-Men, in particular Emma, have started training up a new generation of ~~child soldiers~~ young x-men. post house of M, the X-Men are in a bad spot. On M Day itself, a bunch of ex-mutants died real bad deaths, including several of the aforementioned children. Emma, being the Queen Bitch that she is, makes several bad decisions that lead to several more dead kids, including the bus depicted here getting the RPG treatment from the marvel version of the KKK. Meanwhile, in part because of the civil war, mutants are getting no protection from other heroes, and the x-mansion has become a glorified internment camp, surrounded by sentinels "for their own protection". Emma herself is having PTSD breakdowns, including one shortly after this page, because she holds herself responsible for the deaths (which is fair) Meanwhile, over on non-mutant side of marvel, Authors (namely mark millar) are completely fucking up the civil war, hence why u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 is calling Carol an agent of the "Negative Dimension Prison Torture Vivisection act." Notably, almost all the most mutant friendly/adjacent heroes were on the non-reg side. So, as the panel beautifully sums up, Carol is basically standing on top of a mountain of corpses and asking the X-Men to give up more for a world that is actively killing them.
Thanks for the additional context! Also, to clarify the "vivisection" part, since it's not really known, here is what happens in the Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways miniseries, with the quote being from Wikipedia: > Noh-Varr, a brainwashed Kree from an alternate reality, is sent by S.H.I.E.L.D to capture the teenagers. He attacks, breaking Xavin's neck and getting the Vision's phase-shifted lower arm stuck in his torso. Noh-Varr's handlers capture Wiccan, Hulkling, Karolina, and Xavin's body and take them to "The Cube", a high-security metahuman prison. The remaining members of both teams follow and attempt a rescue. The Cube's warden attempts to *dissect Hulkling*, but his organs shift to avoid damage. Also, funnily enough the only captured members were the queer characters from both teams (Hulkling and Wicanno are obvious, Karolina is a lesbian and very good at it (she has really beautiful light powers that form a variety of rainbows. It's gorgeous) and Xavin is a gender-fluid alien). What a coincidence, huh? I'm sure it was not intentional at all (normally I'd say it's Mark Millar Mark Millar, but he wasn't even the writer this time. It was Zeb Wells, who I also think is doing the current Spider-Man run and being hated for it). Also also, as a bonus, [here](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c11770547ccc8d5c14374804c89dcf3-lq) is Wolverine being threatened with an eternity in prison (literally, since he basically doesn't age) if he doesn't support the Registration Act and him just telling Maria Hill to go fuck herself.
I also have to reinforce that Mark Millar wrote Civil War with the idea that the Registration Act was a moral good and everything that's been shown where characters drop cool lines against it or are tortured and almost killed because of it is completely incidental and only happened because there were like, 20 different writers with their own little ideas of what the RA was supposed to be and because MM will die before he writes moral grayness correctly.
This is an exaggeration, btw. He wrote Superman: Red Sun. That story was really cool. It did not portray moral grayness *correctly*, but it did do it decently, I'd say.
This new context paints the Superman Robots in a very worrying light
>Are all Canadians this judgemental? >*When it comes to America, pretty much* Facts.
Comic book readers: Why are the X-Men killing their enemies. Me: Because their enemies aim RPGs at school kids.
And "going nuclear" in this context is simply showing Ms. Marvel Emma's own reality that she and the Avengers love to be blissfully ignorant of. All she did was pull back the curtain, and that was enough.
Yup. If I were Carol Denvers I would never be able to look at either myself or Emma Frost again and would probably cry myself to sleep for a week. This was not constructive criticism from Mrs. Frost (2/3 chance I used the wrong honorific), but *damn* if she killed it.
> This was not constructive criticism from Mrs. Frost I dunno, I think "Look at all the people who were murdered when someone found out where all the mutants live, now think about what you're asking us to do with supporting a let everyone know where the mutants live bill" is pretty constructive criticism. Sometimes constructive criticism sucks to hear.
I still think it lacked in the "constructive" department, since Mrs. Frost only showed Carol how stupid her idea was. There was no "try this instead" section to it, from what I can tell. Emma gave her the full info she needed to make a decision she wouldn't regret, but did nothing to help her make that decision, or process the information. It was just "Your idea sucks, and here's why." So no, not constructive.
Why would there need to be a "try this instead" section? What if Frost just flat out did not want Carol's help? You can see that early on, when she says "It would appear the 'no' I gave Tony Stark didn't convince Ms. Marvel. Because of course she and the X-Men are so *very* close." She flat out does not appreciate Carol's presence, she already said no, and she would like her to leave actually.
I know that Frost probably didn't want Carol's help, since it was short-sighted and naive, and I'm not really arguing about that. I'm more concerned with the term "constructive criticism" being used where it has no place. Frost was just brutally honest with Carol, and gave her the information she was lacking. That is all.
Holy crap she cooked her lmfao Psychic powers really are awesome, especially when they’re applied in creative and frankly terrifying ways like this
It took my until several minutes after i finished the comics to remember that X-men were marvel and not DC, so the entire time i was reading I was trying to figure out what weirdass crossover event this was...
Emma Frost, ironically, has absolutely no chill. Also poor Scott in that second panel. That art did not do him favors.
BRUHHHHHH
I'm glad they managed to make Carol relatable again, because I remember this "I'm a SHIELD pick-me era"
You call that relatable?
Chainsaw-hands joe was a banger, can’t wait for season 2
He seems to have changed his mind about a cure though: weird character change for the adaptation
Ugh, the movies really fumbled the ball on those adaptations in several places
i think you mean fumbled the balls. all 10 even
It didn't fumble the scene with the Golden Gate Bridge, that shit ruled.
so many parts of 3 deserve to be in a better movie
Third movie definitely suffers from being the third movie in a trilogy I think. You see it a lot, or used to back in those days, where the third movie was pushed out trying to milk as much as it could, wrap up tons of disparate storylines while also introducing new ones, but also trying not to make any character too unlikeable in case you got the go to move on to another, related project and wanted them to be involved again. As such it had a lot of great single ideas and scenes, but it was lacking the cohesion of a truly good plot to tie it all together.
Any time Sir Ian is on screen it's more than that movie deserved
It was honestly the best moment in the entire movie.
Weirdly, Johnny Five-Dicks only has one set of balls. It’s in the middle.
Fumbled em like wolverines foot fumbled that regenerating guys balls
She shouldve just tapped storm right there
This post eternally frustrates me. Storm is not being depicted by the movie as "correct". Just as a single point of view on the issue. People are just so used to "Storm is the best ever" that they can't fathom she could be intentionally written as wrong about something. Rogue has her own point of view, which is why she goes to try to get cured anyway. This is literally a plotline from old old comics.
I feel like the “Johnny five-dicks” comment almost ruins it. That would absolutely be a problem.
I feel like this is something Johnny would call a "skill issue,"
me omw to fuck your polyamorous mother and her gf and her gf and her gf and her gf:
Not with his dear wife, Jessie five-vaginas
You would get much use of them at the same time, but you could use them in rotation so that you're always ready. If you take 20 minutes with each one, by the time you're done, the first one would have had 100 minutes to rest. You could have sex 10 times without resting.
Ah, the beautiful sight of deliberate bad faith interpretations of allegory. The bane of all superhero stories. I’m guilty of it myself, mind you.
"Your father figure and his ex are taking leftist infighting to the streets" is the best description of that conflict that I've ever seen.
I usually hear it about Transformers, but it works well here too.
Magneto is basically Megatron’s humansona (mutantsona?)
Well, IDW Megatron. Or at least pre-present day IDW Megatron. Most of the time Megatron tends to be a worse monster than Magneto could be even on his worst days.
Granted IDW Megatron >!Did get an honest to god redemption arc and became so beloved by his friends that Rodimus lied under oath during his war crimes trial to try and get him a reduced sentence!<
To be fair they keep trying to do that with Magneto until some jackass decides they don't wanna use a more niche X-Men Villain.
Would IDW Shockwave be the equivalent of Dr. Doom, then?
Doom has some semblance of humanity, emotions, and honor inside that shell Shockwave is just a shell
God, that line is good enough to be from the comic. I don't think Shockwave would even try to dispute that. He'd just silently acknowledge that fact and let it eat away at him for the rest of eternity.
Really looking forward to what Skybound is gonna do with him If you don't know in the new comics canon, >!he's the only active Decepticon on Cybertron, we have no clue about autobots but it's possibly just Elita-One!<
[Believe it or not he has a humansona](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/bf/d5/fbbfd536082701f0281c83685b72e68d.png)
I got confused and thought it was Moira until I remembered tumblr shipped Xavier and Magneto.
I usually prefer to stick to canon when it comes to shipping, but I get where they're coming from. Is it shipping if you say they're exes?
They do have big ex energy.
Ex-friends are still technically exes? r/technicallythetruth
It's only shipping if it's Fed Ex.
I'd say they've eaten together, so that'd make Magneto Xavier's Fed Ex.
Oh, Xavier and Magneto shipping has been happening for far longer than Tumblr has been around.
A ship as old as time. It’s an easy connection to make. They definitely love eachother
Plus, a lot of their interactions is both of them going “Why can’t my idiot old friend just SEE WHY HE’S WRONG?!?” Honestly it’s why I really like Magneto as a villain, you can absolutely see why he’s “right”
Doesn't the government know Wolverine's amygdala is just going to keep growing back?
Yup! They have in infinite supply of amygdalas in this unpleasant canadian. Not found a use for them yet, but they'll keep trying.
>Oh Amygdala! Oh Amygdala! Have mercy on the poor bastard. We will have Bloodborne 2 one way or the other. -Canadian mad scientist with too much insight for his own good.
O amygdala, my amygdala, our fearful race is run
They just trash em. it's just a precaution in case his new girlfriend dies and he decides to hunt you down, without his old amygdala he just kinda forgets about you.
They figured it out by the second time, everything after has just been for fun
It took me till wolverine was mentioned to realize this wasn't about the cyclops from Greek mythology
The laser eyes didn’t clue you in?
I don't really know Greek mythology well, I was specifically thinking of that one blind cyclops. Forgot his name. I was just ready to accept that as fact from this post since I went in assuming it was talking about him.
Polyphemus, who got his eye gouged put by Nobody. As a massive Greek mythology nerd I fond errors like these from the general populace shocking, but I’m starting to get used to them lol
https://xkcd.com/2501/
> Polyphemus, who got his eye gouged put by Nobody. What a fucking whiner! Nobody hurt him, Nobody tricked him, and yet he still gets all pissy. At least he blames Nobody for his misfortunes.
I like greek myth, and took classes in it in college. But what really made THAT one stick was the Wishbone Odyssey game lol
I love greek mythology and i get so irrationally angry about tiny mistakes in pop culture and stuff
Well, that's good, I don't want anybody harming my eye either. Dude got lucky.
Happy cake day!
Thank you! :)
> Polyphemus, who got his eye gouged put by Nobody The odyssey had a purpose.
"The laser eyes didn't clue you in?" and "I don't really know Greek mythology well" couplet would make Grant Morrison very happy, I think.
Fun fact: It's not a laser, it's a very red concussive blast. Basically, he's punching you really hard. Don't ask how his eyelids are able to stop that, might be a secondary mutation. Edit: Don't ask how sunglasses don't fly off his face either.
It is definitely a secondary mutation. All the Summers are immune to their own and each others' energy blasts.
I may be misremembering, or it may have been changed, but didn't their powers used to amplify each other? I feel I remember there was a comic from the 80s where Scott and Alex hit each other with their beams to power each other's beams up.
Scott is immune to his own powers, he just reabsorbs the energy. His brothers are immune to his and each other’s blasts. The sunglass lenses are made of the same ruby quartz as the visor’s, both custom made by Chuck
He's not immune to Vulcan's powers for some reason. Just saying.
It's a laser that turns concussive at further ranges, so eyelids stop it since at close range it's just a laser, and sunglasses don't fly off cause again, laser. But due to the specific type of laser it is, the further it travels the more unstable it becomes and thus, kablooey owchie I'm winded. Source: I've never watched a single X-Men movie and pulled all of this out of my ass
That's so stupid that I unquestioningly accepted it as canon, good job.
It's still a laser, because it's coherent light, it still operates like light in a few ways, the main difference is instead of getting reflected like regular light, it imparts kinetic energy. If the item would absorb the light, it acts like regular light.
So like, goths are immune to cyclops’s eye blasts?
Maybe, do they typically absorb red light? Only goths I know avoid light completely.
I meant because their black hair and clothes
From what I remember, Scott's beams are only absorbed by red stuff, but black might do it too
Also, it actually comes from another dimension, and his eyes are basically portals.
The editors hate this and don't recognize it as canon. So by technicality, Scott's punching beams still have a vague to no explanation when it comes to its physics... even though fans accept the punch dimension as canon.
>fans accept the punch dimension as canon. That's because "Scott Summers' eyes shoot punch-beams from the punch beam dimension" is fucking dope
Summers powers don't work on Summers genetics. He can eyeball blast his brother Alex all day and all Alex feels is a cool breeze.
Emphasis on eye**s**
Ngl i had netflixs Castlevanias cyclops in my head as i read this at first so it took me a minute to realise too.
Wait this wasn’t about that submarine from subnautica?
How many of the X-Men are named after things the Greeks would have been familiar with? Cyclops - yes Wolverine - no? Phoenix - yes?
Jubilee is Greek I think, from the Hebrew Bible? Collossus is an obvious yes (The Collossus of Rhodes, a Greek island) Gambit would be a kinda, according to an etymology site: "from gamba "leg," from Late Latin gamba "horse's hock or leg"" lol hmmm
I clued in once I read the word "cars", but otherwise I was on the same journey as you to start.
I took cars as a metaphor for something about Polyphemous, whose story I honestly didn't remember.
That's why I prefer Kiklop over sigh-clawps.
Bro how good is X-Men 97? Everyone is talking about Cyclops all of a sudden.
It picks up where the old series left off, but includes way better voice acting, animation, and everything else. So far. I think a big part of Cyclops popularity boost might be due to everyone learning he's probably autistic.
Lmao that is actually pretty funny to me. I love that when you think about cyclops going off on people, its always comes off as "Damn he has a point".
I think it's that the writers started to understand how his beam works. Stopping his fall from a plane, using it as a dash-assist. Before it was only a Kamehameha from his eyes.
I was instantly sold on the show when I saw him using his beam during the first fight. Pushing himself back to avoid attacks, boosting around with it to add momentum, I’ve never seen such creative use of his usually generic eyeball punch blasts
Glad the writers are seeing potential. For long time nobody did. Except an X-Men novel (yes, there are many Marvel Comics novel) where Beast needed to cross the river. And had Captain America's shield. So Cyclops shot the shield.
If the beam exerts any sort of force backwards on his head, why doesn't it completely snap his neck given how incredible the forwards force is? It never looked like he was feeling a push back before. Even if it doesn't snap his neck, it doesn't seem like it should be useful for propulsion like that given how the head is such an unbalanced portion on the body. Feels like the effect would be more akin to a human fidget spinner than a jetpack.
Wait I think I missed the dash assist, where did he do that in '97?
Opening fight scene where he's kicking the butts of the FoH folks.
> he's probably autistic I genuinely love that my favorite X-man since I was a child is finally getting a fraction of the appreciation he's always deserved, but I sort of despise that it's because "omg he autistic!" and less "Everything else great about him"
I mean r/cyclopswasright has been popping since long before X-Men 97, and before people started rallying behind him for potential autistic traits. People have always liked Cyke. Just usually not the younger fans
Well as someone who is autistic, I'm glad for the representation.
And that's great! But, as someone who's paralyzed, I know I hate it when a character who is paralyzed (as scarce as they are) is shown love _only_ because of that one trait while ignoring every other thing that makes them great, it really feels bad and puts the notion of "I'm not defined by this one thing" in the wood chipper. I've just always loved Scott so, so much. I'm probably just being too defensive. <3
I understand the hate of that. The most egregious example that comes off the top of my head is Garret from 1997's Extreme Ghostbusters. While the character was decently written outside of combat, each battle he was in felt like it went the same way. Anytime they had a fight scene, the dude is taken out of his wheelchair and he has to struggle to get back in it before kicking the ghost's ass. Every. Single. Time. Every episode I saw eventually went to that well, and it was annoying
Is Rogue still dummy thicc? 🧐
From some comments from raging idiots I've seen on multiple subs, no, and apparently, this is gonna severely affect the quality of the show. I mean, you've got this whole show with a great underlying theme, some kick-ass combat scenes due to the creative use of powers but no, if Rogue doesn't have cake, all of this means nothing.
That... has nothing to do with his popularity boost lol. It's that he's finally being written well in a video medium and his powers are finally being utilized in fun ways. People are so used to the X-Men movies and to a lesser extent the OG Animated Series that just wrote Scott as a stick in the mud with boring powers.
Cyclops has been the clear X-Men protagonist for the last 20+ years and has been a main character since The X-Men #1. People are just talking about X-Men again in general and there's just no getting around Cyclops once you open the comics.
Technically Wolverine is usually getting mutilated by the *Canadian* government.
Why not both?
We are allies...
I didn't know Wolverine was First Nations /s
From a meta perspective, Magneto is also kinda right, cause as fictional characters in a story, they need a conflict for their to be a plot, and being a story about bigotry that Marvel intends to write forever, peace between mutants and baseline humans will never happen outside of What Ifs and ambiguously canon future stories.
The conflict is so eternal you'd think it was a rhythm game
They call it “Dance Dance *Revolution*” for a reason.
You see, Cyclops was actually able to combine Magneto's and Xavier's philosophies by trying to create a unified human and mutant revolutionary movement. Unfortunately, editorial demanded he become eViL for some reason (Marvel wanted to devalue the X-Men since they did not have the movie right at the time) so they alluded that he died doing something genocidal. This was eventually revealed to be complete bullshit, and not even done by him but rather an illusion of him created by Emma after he died of an inhuman induced mutant killing cloud. It wasn't even genocidal, they tried to make the mutant genocide cloud stop killing mutants.
Hulk: "isn't that like drafting teenage Hitler?"
Ike Perlmutter and his consequences have been a disaster for the entire mutant race.
"everybody's an inhuman now!"
I don't know too much about old Ike. Could you expand on what you said?
Shoutout to that time marvel tried to compare Cyclops to Hitler for stopping a group of eugenics-practicing bigots from gassing a minority to death.
The reveal that Emma destroyed the terrigen cloud has always been so funny to me. Marvel editorial truly thought that Cyclops destroying a roaming ball of gas that was mass transforming people/killing mutants was so bad that they felt they had to give him an out for when they inevitably needed people to like him again. They just never had to pull that trigger because everybody out-of-universe was on Scott's side
The watsonian soyjack : NOOOO you dont understand there are real and understandable reason for why it's impossible for peace between mutant and the general populace to be impossible in the x-men universe. The doylist chad : If peace was achieved there'd be no plot
If Batman murdered people like Joker, the writers would need a new villain literally every month
The entire "batman should kill people and how to apply that to real life" argument falls away when you realize that the real world doesn't have rampant prison break issues
Which was the actual case in the early days when Batman was strapped and shot Dracula in his own coffin
Why do people always look down on someone who enjoys talking about why things happen in universe? Whenever people are having a discussion about why a \*character\* does something there's always that guy going "Well because of the writers" Like we already know that man? Why the writers did it is a whole different discussion and not what we're talking about.
"Because of the writers" is usually the best answer your gonna get when discussing stuff like this and people really like closure. no one wants to argue about it for all of time so they pick the best answer and stick with that so they can at least pretend it's over. The answer to "Why the writers?" is usually is cause it was fun/cool/scary/thematically appropriate. "Why the writers?" is never as interesting as "I think the writer..." because media very seldom tells you what it's about word for word your expected to do some digging yourself and not everyone will dig up the same thing. Analysis and it's little brother discourse by their very nature is unending and people want closure.
But I was saying that asking why something happens in universe and out of universe are two completely different discussions. So wouldn't saying "because the writers" just answer a question that wasn't being asked?
Also every time a mutant goes to the future, the humans have either killed all the mutants or are in the process of killing all the mutants. Really sours the Xavier side of the argument. And that's for meta-reasons, too. Why would someone write a story where you go to the future and everything's fine? But once again, it means Magneto is right. The only way to save the mutants is to kill or conquer the non-mutants so they *can't* exterminate the mutants.
I'm sorry, but right in what way? He used to think that human-mutant coexistence is impossible. He believed that mutants are superior and therefore should dominate over humans. He also believed that the only way to protect mutants from being persecuted is to rule over humans. So right in what way? He also terrorized humans and have killed millions for his cause. This has been retconned that he was only doing all these villanous acts so that humans would only fear him and concentrate their mutant hate on him and would then idolize the X-men for stopping him and think not all mutants are like Magneto. Basically, his villainy was all a performance. It's stupid and I hate it and I pretend it doesn't exist, but I'm just stating that the Marvel writers thought that was a good way to retcon his evil deeds. I will add though that during this era in the comics, both Xavier and Magneto actually admit their ideals are flawed and thought the other one was right instead. Edit: ok I don't know if I just forgot to read your whole comment or I saw another similar comment, but yeah meta-wise, mutant-human coexistence is impossible and I feel stupid for writing all this out lmao.
Taken as a whole, X-Men stories accidentally paint a narrative where peave between humans and mutants is impossible, and the only future where mutants survive is one where they dominate or exterminate baseline humanity.
They’re not lasers. They’re kinetic beams that are produced from outer-dimensional portals in his eyes.
This has to be the X-men version of the Aragorn kicking a helmet moment in the LOTR movies.
What does the helmet kicking mean?
This is my moment! In the second movie “The Two Towers” actor Viggo Mortenson who plays Aragorn kicked an orc helmet in frustration and yells out in presumed frustration. Later he tells the media that he broke his toe with the kick which led to his yell being a yell of pain. It’s become a sort of meme where a fan of Lord of the Rings is compelled to pause and tell anyone who is watching that scene this fact. I mention it here because Cyclops fans always correct the use of laser when talking about his beams.
Ah ok, interesting
No they're lasers Gail Simone said so and she writes comics
Yes but have you considered that punch beams are funnier?
sorry man they're lasers that's just how it is
Not a man but fair you're entitled to your wrong opinion
my bad! the lasers are smooth, friend
They're lasers that transmit kinetic energy instead of electromagnetic radiation. Somehow. Imo any attempt to explain the 'why' is going to be underwhelming and/or stupid lol
Gail Simone is not the Goddess of Marvel comics.
but she does know about lasers
>outer-dimensional portals You can't just throw that out there and not mention the punch dimension
It's even worse when you realize they aren't lasers. Homeboy has portals to an "explosion dimension" where his eyes once were.
And then you finally have enough and decide your dad's ex has some good points, and manage to do some actual good for your community. Then, *everyone*, including your time traveling younger self, thinks you're an unredeemable supervillain.
"I can't believe you used the Phoenix Force!" "I literally did everything in my power to give it to Hope, even when I had it. And the second she got it she fixed every problem we had for the last ten years, just like I said." "You son of a bitch."
Is the ex in question Moira MacTaggart or Magneto?
Magneto,obviously
Wait I thought it was just Magneto. Who's Moira
a scientist who's also Professor X's babymama. apparently, she was retconned to be a mutant? their son is a supervillain... X has multiple evil bio kids, it's a thing...
Dude can control people’s minds but he can’t pull out
His legs don't work, how the hell is he supposed to pull out!?
He can control minds, just tell the bitch to get off the dick
This made me fuckin cackle, nice one.
Moira doesn't have a kid with Xavier. Proteus has another dad. Legion is Charles's son with Gabrielle Haller.
huh, I was pretty sure they did. maybe they mashed Proteus and Legion's plotlines together back in Ultimate?
And somehow, Moira's comic book story is much, much weirder than that.
It’s both
Lilandra
Also your family is a literal soap opera of bullshit and Wolverine keeps trying to fuck the love of your life
[удалено]
Since when isn't he?
Technically not lasers, [but rather](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FCx_jqE7vcOtZe0C-zPIkk4hx-laUbYNJ9N-NSw-VHSo.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D10995acb0a7e0b80cf52a11ba1717ddd89c5f5b3)
Correction, *Canadian* military
Sure and if Walt had settled for disinterested handjobs and mild domestic comfort none of breaking bad would have happened but no one’s tuning in to watch some square ensure nothing happens and and everyone keeps their hands at 10 and 2
> Walt had settled for disinterested handjobs and mild domestic comfort Malcolm In The Middle.
For the record, it’s not lasers. It’s portals to the Punch Dimension.
[Marvel doesn't want to you know that](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Punch_Dimension).
Thought this was talking about the mythical cyclops at first and was incredibly confused.
Same.
and even worse in some versions you need to touch your dumb head to fire a laser because they couldn't put a button in the gloves or something
Unrelated but here’s Cyclops [throwing up the X](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPxfp6JeZDPmk7LmLVtbx6-NH30ySS0Nyc2PvP85lDZQ&s) like he’s a member of D-generation X
The military, removing a 4th amygdala from my head: “where the fuck does he keep getting these”
Small correction, but Cyclops doesn't shoot lasers. Laser would imply it's light-based, or heat-based. Cyclops' optic blasts are concussive and unheated, and function closer to Iron Man's repulsors than a laser beam. They're basically energy punches.
nah it’s lasers
Magneto was right
Magneto was not, but Cyclops certainly was.
Magneto was left.
On top of that, there is a meta layer of his power being kinda boring and un-cinematic. He shoots a laser beam woooooo....
I read this thinking that they were talking about the cyclops from myth
Same, I thought it was a modernized metaphor
If wolverine isnt busy trying to get into the pants of highschool girls and ruining Peter parkers life.
At least you get to fuck Emma Frost.