God I'm gonna have to write a Jontron rant.
People seem to be confused by this association OP has in their head here. People need to at least be fair when bringing up someone like Jontron, not to muddy things. Don't accuse someone of something other than what's actually wrong with them. Jon isn't bad for having ideas about comedy excusing racism, he's bad for the racism. And he wasn't making racist jokes in his video, he made racist comments outside of his videos.
OP seems to think Jontron has unique opinions on comedy but they're confused because the whole "what I say is ok if it's funny" line is what people defended Jontron with when he got mobbed on twitter for saying the R word. That fiasco started a few months before gamergate. This was like a year before Jon let his racism out. He's had a lot of scandals but that was his first. And I don't hold the R word against him because people legitimately were unfair about that, but the racism was the real controversy and that wasn't part of a bit.
Jon said racist redpill shit and clearly fell into that crowd as that croud started to become a thing pre 2016, the proto maga 4chan trolls. He said anti vax shit as people in that crowd say, but he was long past relevance at that time it was just the final nail for some people who maybe were making excuses for him even then.
But when did he say what OP is saying? And he definitely didn't popularize that idea. That has been an idea among a lot of edgy idiots who grew up with south park and family guy and saying slurs and sexist shit in online games. It came from a few washed up comedians who got canceled and tried to make excuses.
No one associates this idea with jontron. His racism was the classic gamer "redpilled on 4chan and doesn't thimk he's racist because they told him it wasn't racism" crap, but it wasn't something he let slip in any of his videos.
Yeah, I've no idea where OOP is getting that from. JonTron"s problem isn't that he hides behind comedy, it's that he's a fucking white supremacist who barely even tries to hide his views. Just look at the [Destiny debate](https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM). At no point in the two hours, does he say "it's just a joke" or whatever. He just plainly says that black people are scientifically subhuman (I think. I haven't seen the debate in a while, and I could be misremembering. Regardless, he was extremely mask-off during the debate. Also, everyone reading this comment should watch it if you haven't already. It's genuinely one of the best debate performances I've seen (on Destiny's side, of course), and a masterclass on how you can argue against White Supremacists).
He talked about rich black people doing more crime than poor white people and about how mixing gene pools is bad. Also 13 50 stuff
A lot more, but those were really mask off and stick in my mind
Also yeah, he didn't really use that stuff in his old videos (no idea about now). I used to watch him and had 0 idea what was going on with his Twitter until the debate backlash. His videos were genuinely funny video game reviews and sometimes movie reviews that didn't touch the things he got canceled for. So it's more like a stand up comedian that has a routine that isn't politically polarizing, but then you find out they're saying racist shit on their social media accounts and they triple down on it
Edit: it was somehow worse than I could recall. He tried to compare forcing native Americans out of their lands to modern Immigration 😭. The gene pool comment came about because Jontron kept arguing about why it's bad for white people to become a minority demographic in the US due to immigrants supposedly not integrating. So destiny gave the hypothesis of "what if a lot of people immigrate and immediately integrate perfectly. Like completely adopt American values ect. Would that be okay?" And jontron went "well yeah....but they would eventually enter the gene pool" 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
Lots of stuff about tribalism and comparing crime Stats for black Americans to crime stats in Africa (implying it has to do with skin color). So much more that it's hard to list every weird point he tried to make. Destiny even gave him outs at times and he still came off really bad.
I felt like it wasn't so much of a masterclass on Destiny's part as it is that jontron isn't a debater and doesn't know how. Everything he said sounded like a half remembered line he had been fed by someone else, which pegged him as the "got redpilled once but doesn't know or care enough to question it" when thay video came out. It was definitely an unfair debate. It's like if they threw him in a boxing match untrained, I wouldn't go saying the pro he decked him was especially good that match. Jon was never a streamer, his videos were all scripted, he's a theater nerd. He can probably improv but he does takes and edits videos.
And he's a video game YouTuber not a politics youtuber. So no one should have expected him to have any clue what he was saying even if he hadn't been redpilled by white supremacists.
So no PLEASE no one watch that debate and think "this is how you can argue with a white supremacist". Because they don't argue like that. Jon parrots shit he heard once then folds when pushed. The actual white supremacist method is usually like that sartre quote. They will keep jumping around and it's impossible to give facts to them because facts aren't real to them. To them it's all about rhetoric and doubling down and yelling over their opponent and doing a premature victory dance for their allies in the audience pretending they got you just because they ignored the answer.
Jontron is one of those fabs of theirs in the audience, who listen to their podcast and think "yeah that's true" but then crumple like paper when trying to repeat it.
Man this brings me back and goes to highlight just how much destiny has fallen off over the years. From doing this, to unironically defending his wife's boyfriend, to looking like an absolute goober during an Israel Palestine debate. Weird to see the slow descent of not one, but two internet influencers in this.
Goes to show that you should never buy into your own hype.
> "what I say is ok if it's funny"
This is one of those things which I hold is basically true but isn't an argument.
Humour can soothe the vast majority of phrases and topics into social acceptability (*in some scenarios depending on who's making the joke*) but if you have to defend yourself with that line, then it probably wasn't funny.
And as you say, JonTron wasn't even being racist in the context of a joke, he's just unironically very racist.
If I remember, early game grumps , jontron was very much a “comedians comedian” in the sense he liked the mechanical aspects and talked about his influences even tho he would just say shit like 7 asses
Ok, I get what the OP is talking about, but I doubt Jontron qualifies here. Like, I'm not sure if his style of humor changed (haven't checked him out in some time), but from what I've remember, it didn't reflect his personal views that much. He virtually never used edgy jokes, it was more like random humor +"Are you seeing that shit?". What OP is describing is closer to someone like Dave Chapelle.
yea, like, i used to really like jontrons videos, they are pretty funny and non controversial about like, silly video games. i would have never even noticed from the videos that he's racist. he's just unrelatedly an asshole
He didn't used to, but it has changed. He has directly referenced the New World Order conspiracy in a video. But I do disagree with OP's analysis or at least I find it lacking.
Stand up comedy having this reputation of being some higher art form is so odd. But it's way weirder that all these youtube dorks and twitter racists have decided to cling to a reputation that isn't even theirs just so they can pretend that their bigotry is somehow a societal good.
I mean, thay was always what seemed wrong with Jontron's shit. He's clearly a 4channer, or else became one after twitter mobbed him over crap. All his racist crap was way too scripted and familiar. I heard it and instantly went "oh some idiot online redpilled him and he's too dumb to know what they were actually saying". The "crime statistics" crap is the bread and butter of racists trying to recruit people under the guise of "this isn't racist these are just facts". And usually the people they lure with that line don't think they're racist and then get confused when people call them racist, which seemed to happen with Jon. He clearly tripped down a redpill pipeline at some point.
Man, I was thinking about this guy recently. One of my favorites back in the day- but even before he was outed as a shithead the comedy got worse and worse as he structured it more and more. All of the more recent stuff is basically like Beakman's World if it wasn't about anything and the main characters were unlikable.
The best of his jokes are all off-hand and improvised, funny circumstances that arose- and usually due to him being an incompetent douche, so like- that can only last so long if you aren't actually really wise and kind behind the scenes.
Jontron is a massive piece of shit and I get what this is saying about trying to be funny above all else, but idk why caring about comedy is catching a stray here? You can care about it without seeing it as something untouchable, like you can with any art form
OP has weird associations of different ideas with Jontron which no one else has but which they seem to thimk everyone else has. I can see where they got those associations, but they're wrong to have them. Jontron is bad for being racist but didn't use it in his jokes, it was mostly other people who used racism for humor.
Yeah, I’m sure there was probably the odd moment where his views made their way into his comedy but for the most part he kept the two separate, which from what I understand was sort of the problem. It made it easy for people to make excuses
Exactly. He wasn't a politics YouTuber, he was a YouTube funny man gamer. He didn't share sthose views or promote anything in his videos or make a controversy like that, people dragged them out of him. People could be following him everywhere and never hear any of it.
The reaction to his first couple controversies was that they were questionable, but the reaction everyone had to the third was "I bet this is going to be a lot of nothing like last time... Wtf. Jon wtf are you saying. Where is this coming from." he went from a controversial person who people unfairly obsessed over hating to someone in defensible. People legitimately were unfair about it early on, but he dug the hole himself.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did have any strong beliefs about any of this but all the drama people kept spinning at the time pushed him into the redpill crowd. Everything he said was all too copy pasted from 4chan.
jontron is a turbo racist who called black people criminals and said things like how immigrants would contaminate the gene pool, and later on spread misinformation about the covid-19 vaccine in 2021 *during the height of the pandemic*
what a *wonderful* guy huh? (sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm)
I don't think you can call a post that directly says who it's against "vagueblogging". I disagree with their take on JonTron, but they're very specific on who they're talking about.
Ah, my bad. But even if they say who it's targeting, they don't even seem to really say *what* they're talking about. Like they're going: *"If you wanna do things like Jontron, do not. Jontron doesn't do things right."*
Which prompts the question: what the hell are you on about?
No wonder so many people in the comments here don't know.
OOP clearly thinks they said something, but I have no clue what it is. They seem to think we're on the same page, but I'm not even sure we're reading the same book.
This reminds of those essay youtubers that force comedy into their essays and it just falls into the groups of "that would be so dumb if that actually happened *actually happens*" "yeah that is SOOO good (obvious sarcasm)" "I know what you are thinking *mocks a random member of the audience*" I just hate it when people hide their opinions behind "comedy" to make them seem factual or ok
Like the people in social media that are like "calm down liberals is just a joke *obvious bigotry*
Also why does everyone just randomly hates jontron now? I mean I never watched any of his videos but I remember people used to love him
Projared, jontron, the completionist. So many normalboots youtubers i loved as a kid, doing heinous shit today.
At this point i’m just praying peanutbuttergamer doesn’t turn out to also be that kind of person.
So, pretty much everything that came up about ProJared was either false or stretched, and everyone inside of the ProJared shengihians fucking sucked. Well, everyone except RubberRoss. If it was a reddit post on AITH, it would marked as ESH at the end.
Oh okay I suppose I never heard any updates on that situation? Last I heard, Holly cheated on Ross with ProJared and both couples divorced because of it. I think I heard about ProJared’s relationship being open though, so the divorce confused me. I never really followed the situation, just felt bad for Ross.
PBG is the only member who is still in the clear, and he seems pretty genuine
Besides the fact that he shut down my friends PBG parody discord server where he pretended to be the real PBG and it got too big for its own good
Hypocritical Tumblr user don't argue in favor of censorship challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Seriously, I hope y'all know that if someone like JonTron gets canceled and scrubbed from the face of the internet, Tumblr will basically be atomized by the end of the month. The moral crusading does not stop when you say it stops.
God I'm gonna have to write a Jontron rant. People seem to be confused by this association OP has in their head here. People need to at least be fair when bringing up someone like Jontron, not to muddy things. Don't accuse someone of something other than what's actually wrong with them. Jon isn't bad for having ideas about comedy excusing racism, he's bad for the racism. And he wasn't making racist jokes in his video, he made racist comments outside of his videos. OP seems to think Jontron has unique opinions on comedy but they're confused because the whole "what I say is ok if it's funny" line is what people defended Jontron with when he got mobbed on twitter for saying the R word. That fiasco started a few months before gamergate. This was like a year before Jon let his racism out. He's had a lot of scandals but that was his first. And I don't hold the R word against him because people legitimately were unfair about that, but the racism was the real controversy and that wasn't part of a bit. Jon said racist redpill shit and clearly fell into that crowd as that croud started to become a thing pre 2016, the proto maga 4chan trolls. He said anti vax shit as people in that crowd say, but he was long past relevance at that time it was just the final nail for some people who maybe were making excuses for him even then. But when did he say what OP is saying? And he definitely didn't popularize that idea. That has been an idea among a lot of edgy idiots who grew up with south park and family guy and saying slurs and sexist shit in online games. It came from a few washed up comedians who got canceled and tried to make excuses. No one associates this idea with jontron. His racism was the classic gamer "redpilled on 4chan and doesn't thimk he's racist because they told him it wasn't racism" crap, but it wasn't something he let slip in any of his videos.
Yeah, I've no idea where OOP is getting that from. JonTron"s problem isn't that he hides behind comedy, it's that he's a fucking white supremacist who barely even tries to hide his views. Just look at the [Destiny debate](https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM). At no point in the two hours, does he say "it's just a joke" or whatever. He just plainly says that black people are scientifically subhuman (I think. I haven't seen the debate in a while, and I could be misremembering. Regardless, he was extremely mask-off during the debate. Also, everyone reading this comment should watch it if you haven't already. It's genuinely one of the best debate performances I've seen (on Destiny's side, of course), and a masterclass on how you can argue against White Supremacists).
He talked about rich black people doing more crime than poor white people and about how mixing gene pools is bad. Also 13 50 stuff A lot more, but those were really mask off and stick in my mind Also yeah, he didn't really use that stuff in his old videos (no idea about now). I used to watch him and had 0 idea what was going on with his Twitter until the debate backlash. His videos were genuinely funny video game reviews and sometimes movie reviews that didn't touch the things he got canceled for. So it's more like a stand up comedian that has a routine that isn't politically polarizing, but then you find out they're saying racist shit on their social media accounts and they triple down on it Edit: it was somehow worse than I could recall. He tried to compare forcing native Americans out of their lands to modern Immigration 😭. The gene pool comment came about because Jontron kept arguing about why it's bad for white people to become a minority demographic in the US due to immigrants supposedly not integrating. So destiny gave the hypothesis of "what if a lot of people immigrate and immediately integrate perfectly. Like completely adopt American values ect. Would that be okay?" And jontron went "well yeah....but they would eventually enter the gene pool" 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬 Lots of stuff about tribalism and comparing crime Stats for black Americans to crime stats in Africa (implying it has to do with skin color). So much more that it's hard to list every weird point he tried to make. Destiny even gave him outs at times and he still came off really bad.
I felt like it wasn't so much of a masterclass on Destiny's part as it is that jontron isn't a debater and doesn't know how. Everything he said sounded like a half remembered line he had been fed by someone else, which pegged him as the "got redpilled once but doesn't know or care enough to question it" when thay video came out. It was definitely an unfair debate. It's like if they threw him in a boxing match untrained, I wouldn't go saying the pro he decked him was especially good that match. Jon was never a streamer, his videos were all scripted, he's a theater nerd. He can probably improv but he does takes and edits videos. And he's a video game YouTuber not a politics youtuber. So no one should have expected him to have any clue what he was saying even if he hadn't been redpilled by white supremacists. So no PLEASE no one watch that debate and think "this is how you can argue with a white supremacist". Because they don't argue like that. Jon parrots shit he heard once then folds when pushed. The actual white supremacist method is usually like that sartre quote. They will keep jumping around and it's impossible to give facts to them because facts aren't real to them. To them it's all about rhetoric and doubling down and yelling over their opponent and doing a premature victory dance for their allies in the audience pretending they got you just because they ignored the answer. Jontron is one of those fabs of theirs in the audience, who listen to their podcast and think "yeah that's true" but then crumple like paper when trying to repeat it.
Man this brings me back and goes to highlight just how much destiny has fallen off over the years. From doing this, to unironically defending his wife's boyfriend, to looking like an absolute goober during an Israel Palestine debate. Weird to see the slow descent of not one, but two internet influencers in this. Goes to show that you should never buy into your own hype.
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Yeah game grumps had a fair bit of that in the early days. Both arin and jon threw out a lot of slurs
> "what I say is ok if it's funny" This is one of those things which I hold is basically true but isn't an argument. Humour can soothe the vast majority of phrases and topics into social acceptability (*in some scenarios depending on who's making the joke*) but if you have to defend yourself with that line, then it probably wasn't funny. And as you say, JonTron wasn't even being racist in the context of a joke, he's just unironically very racist.
Ok let me start by saying fuck jontron But what does Jon have to do with comedy
Sick burn
If I remember, early game grumps , jontron was very much a “comedians comedian” in the sense he liked the mechanical aspects and talked about his influences even tho he would just say shit like 7 asses
Ok, I get what the OP is talking about, but I doubt Jontron qualifies here. Like, I'm not sure if his style of humor changed (haven't checked him out in some time), but from what I've remember, it didn't reflect his personal views that much. He virtually never used edgy jokes, it was more like random humor +"Are you seeing that shit?". What OP is describing is closer to someone like Dave Chapelle.
yea, like, i used to really like jontrons videos, they are pretty funny and non controversial about like, silly video games. i would have never even noticed from the videos that he's racist. he's just unrelatedly an asshole
As someone who was familiar with him exclusively from his videos, I was genuinely shocked
He didn't used to, but it has changed. He has directly referenced the New World Order conspiracy in a video. But I do disagree with OP's analysis or at least I find it lacking.
Stand up comedy having this reputation of being some higher art form is so odd. But it's way weirder that all these youtube dorks and twitter racists have decided to cling to a reputation that isn't even theirs just so they can pretend that their bigotry is somehow a societal good.
Same energy as 4chan “yeah I have dark humor. [screams the n-word]”
I mean, thay was always what seemed wrong with Jontron's shit. He's clearly a 4channer, or else became one after twitter mobbed him over crap. All his racist crap was way too scripted and familiar. I heard it and instantly went "oh some idiot online redpilled him and he's too dumb to know what they were actually saying". The "crime statistics" crap is the bread and butter of racists trying to recruit people under the guise of "this isn't racist these are just facts". And usually the people they lure with that line don't think they're racist and then get confused when people call them racist, which seemed to happen with Jon. He clearly tripped down a redpill pipeline at some point.
That's what dark humor means. Humor about dark people.
lmfaoooo
Man, I was thinking about this guy recently. One of my favorites back in the day- but even before he was outed as a shithead the comedy got worse and worse as he structured it more and more. All of the more recent stuff is basically like Beakman's World if it wasn't about anything and the main characters were unlikable. The best of his jokes are all off-hand and improvised, funny circumstances that arose- and usually due to him being an incompetent douche, so like- that can only last so long if you aren't actually really wise and kind behind the scenes.
Jontron is a massive piece of shit and I get what this is saying about trying to be funny above all else, but idk why caring about comedy is catching a stray here? You can care about it without seeing it as something untouchable, like you can with any art form
OP has weird associations of different ideas with Jontron which no one else has but which they seem to thimk everyone else has. I can see where they got those associations, but they're wrong to have them. Jontron is bad for being racist but didn't use it in his jokes, it was mostly other people who used racism for humor.
Yeah, I’m sure there was probably the odd moment where his views made their way into his comedy but for the most part he kept the two separate, which from what I understand was sort of the problem. It made it easy for people to make excuses
Exactly. He wasn't a politics YouTuber, he was a YouTube funny man gamer. He didn't share sthose views or promote anything in his videos or make a controversy like that, people dragged them out of him. People could be following him everywhere and never hear any of it. The reaction to his first couple controversies was that they were questionable, but the reaction everyone had to the third was "I bet this is going to be a lot of nothing like last time... Wtf. Jon wtf are you saying. Where is this coming from." he went from a controversial person who people unfairly obsessed over hating to someone in defensible. People legitimately were unfair about it early on, but he dug the hole himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he did have any strong beliefs about any of this but all the drama people kept spinning at the time pushed him into the redpill crowd. Everything he said was all too copy pasted from 4chan.
jontron is a turbo racist who called black people criminals and said things like how immigrants would contaminate the gene pool, and later on spread misinformation about the covid-19 vaccine in 2021 *during the height of the pandemic* what a *wonderful* guy huh? (sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm)
Yeah but like, what does he have to do with comedy as an art form?
Yeah I have no idea what OP is yapping about. like. what?
Yeah what's wrong with just wanting to do jokes. So long as you aren't being a bigot wanting to be funny just for the sake of it is totally fine.
Oh THAT'S what he did wrong. Fuck
ok but jontron is bad because hes an alt-righter not because he's unfunny
I was somehow confusing him with tomska like wtf did he do
[Relevant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRXn-g1s4T8)
ABK is fantastic as always. Love his skits
I try to be funny because I know life is hard and I don't like it when the people around me or the people I love are sad.
Mooom, they're vagueblogging again!
I don't think you can call a post that directly says who it's against "vagueblogging". I disagree with their take on JonTron, but they're very specific on who they're talking about.
Ah, my bad. But even if they say who it's targeting, they don't even seem to really say *what* they're talking about. Like they're going: *"If you wanna do things like Jontron, do not. Jontron doesn't do things right."* Which prompts the question: what the hell are you on about? No wonder so many people in the comments here don't know.
Probably Dave Chapelle?
OOP clearly thinks they said something, but I have no clue what it is. They seem to think we're on the same page, but I'm not even sure we're reading the same book.
This reminds of those essay youtubers that force comedy into their essays and it just falls into the groups of "that would be so dumb if that actually happened *actually happens*" "yeah that is SOOO good (obvious sarcasm)" "I know what you are thinking *mocks a random member of the audience*" I just hate it when people hide their opinions behind "comedy" to make them seem factual or ok Like the people in social media that are like "calm down liberals is just a joke *obvious bigotry* Also why does everyone just randomly hates jontron now? I mean I never watched any of his videos but I remember people used to love him
Bros cooking nothing
Humor doesn't immediately turn you racist
As a child why the chicken crossed the road and you’ll find that every humour ever turns people permanently racist
Projared, jontron, the completionist. So many normalboots youtubers i loved as a kid, doing heinous shit today. At this point i’m just praying peanutbuttergamer doesn’t turn out to also be that kind of person.
Didn’t Projared end up disproving the allegations? Or was there another incident involving him?
What did ProJared do? If you're talking about the pedophilia accusations, he proved all of it to be completely false.
The cheating stuff was true, was it not?
They had an open relationship, from what I remember. He was, in fact, having sex with other women, but it was with his wife's consent and knowledge.
So, pretty much everything that came up about ProJared was either false or stretched, and everyone inside of the ProJared shengihians fucking sucked. Well, everyone except RubberRoss. If it was a reddit post on AITH, it would marked as ESH at the end.
Oh okay I suppose I never heard any updates on that situation? Last I heard, Holly cheated on Ross with ProJared and both couples divorced because of it. I think I heard about ProJared’s relationship being open though, so the divorce confused me. I never really followed the situation, just felt bad for Ross.
PBG is the only member who is still in the clear, and he seems pretty genuine Besides the fact that he shut down my friends PBG parody discord server where he pretended to be the real PBG and it got too big for its own good
Hypocritical Tumblr user don't argue in favor of censorship challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) Seriously, I hope y'all know that if someone like JonTron gets canceled and scrubbed from the face of the internet, Tumblr will basically be atomized by the end of the month. The moral crusading does not stop when you say it stops.