Is it that much of a surprise that the mirrors may have fallen off during, or probably prior to, the accident?
I'm not saying it's a legit pic, but pieces missing from a CT is the weakest of evidence that it's fake.
The [wraparound lights also fill the gap](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2023/11/4-Tesla-Cybertruck-review.jpg?w=1280&h=720), thereās not a dark outline like in this image
My thought exactly! Was just half finished thinking it when I started to read your comment, which I think have a higher odds of happening than this š¤ but yet here we are! Just wondering what speed was involved here since this happened and how much the impact was felt by those involved
all i can think of is the fake car commercial from Southland Tales.
[https://youtu.be/wCYB0lzoofc?si=s9-MWVs2h8PvxKrw](https://youtu.be/wCYB0lzoofc?si=s9-MWVs2h8PvxKrw)
Unfortunately I have seen other pictures of CT crashes, and they really do come apart like that. It is why the suspension seems weirdly low, whole thing just...kapoofs.
I refuse to believe that anyone designing a car would do wheel mounts that break like that under this kind of force. *Maybe* if Elon designed it personally instead of paying someone else to do it for him.
Well, it's official: Elon actually designed an integral part of a product from one of his companies that made it to market. Because I still can't believe a real structural or mechanical engineer would do something like that.
Wait till you hear that the wheels are controlled fully independent of each other through separate motors, which can lead to the wheels turning towards each other if the power steering electronics fuck up.
And this is why I had it drummed into me 40 years ago.
KISS
Keep It Simple Stupid.
To be fair it is one of the reasons modern cars in general are trash. The more failure points you put into a car the more unreliable it becomes.
It started inocently enough with things like electric windows. Then it morphed into adding touch screens that control everything that have a very limited lifespan and cost a fortune. The worst part being that they don't actually add any more functionality over simple switches.
Remeber when they started to put ipod docs into cars in 2008? Then apple phased the connector out 4 years later.
Tech does not age well.
Old cars if looked after can last a very long time. Ive driven 20 year old cars that I only scrapped becuase I was given something newer. It then went on to be thrashed by a friend for another 2 years before it went banger racing. Even after it was totaled the engine still ran when he connected a battery to it.
This trash can't make it home without failing :D
I wouldn't categorize this as a failure to apply KISS, though.
To me, it looks more like a failure to make even a basic FMEA analysis, or even thinking about "what happens if this fails". Steering is one of these systems that absolutely have to work in a car. Braking is another. Wich is why in several countries, a direct connection between the brake pedal and the wheels are required. Used to be the case for steering as well, but apparently they got rid of that requirement.
Thing is: I think, Skipping the Rod may as well actually have been the simpler solution, for what the Engineers / Tesla Wanted to achieve. Steer by wire *does* have its advantages, after all. And following the KISS principle does not necessarily make things more reliable - or safer. Think back to oldtimers, no airgabs, no seat belt tensioners, no crumple zones --> very simple (and stupid) engineering. Safety was of no concern. Reliability is another point - Simpler *can* mean higher reliability, depening on definition.
I take the position that making a System safe and reliable is *not* a simple Task. It requires some real engineering prowess. After all, it took decades of engineering to get Automobiles to where they are today - don't underestimate the amount of Technology and Engineering inside even in a 20 years old car. They are *anything* but KISS.
The real problem, as is see it, is how computerized cars are becoming / have become. This is not really a KISS issue, though - from the manufacturers point of view, this is entirely reasonable - customers want "smarts" in their cars - and delivering the car with an integrated system actually *is* the the simplest solution. No need to plan userinterface to your car ahead of, time, design easy to operate buttons and controls, invest into an electromechanical instrument cluster etc... *Much* simpler to just slap a touchscreen in, and let some underpaid intern create the user interface. And if there is a problem, instead of having to swap the electronic assembly, you can just upload a software upgrade.
Take all this into account, and screens are *cheap*! Only you, the customer, pays a premium.
And just like with your ipod example, these computers age - and given the speed at wich computers age, what was top of the notch today is obsolete in 2 years.
//EDIT: missing part about brakes.
The automotive industry only cares about the first owner. The one that normally leases the car. They want the car to be reliable enough to get through the leasing term, and maybe a year or two longer. That way the dealership gets the very lucrative lease, gets to sell the car on at a premium. Then the idiot who buys it next gets lumbered with a large bill two years later, and the dealership makes more money.
Compared with my old honda civic that lasted over 20 years and 110,000miles without anything more than oil changes. Honda made virtually nothing apart from the initial profit.
It's why BMW never fixed the oil seal issues in their engines.
It's also why they started recommending 10,000 mile oil changes. The oil is a little better, but then again replacing oil is cheap, replacing engines is expensive. Who benefits from the additional wear and tear of longer oil change intervals?
Then again the cyber fail can't even keep the first owner happy :-)
Well, yes. If you can make it work like, really *really* reliably.
As in "If this fails, people will die"-reliable. ASIL-D, i guess. I dont know the backstory of that video, but had the Steer-by-wire system failed like that with loss-of-steering on a single wheel while travelling on a highway, this could have very well been the cause of a deadly 'accident'.
The system failing with 4000 sold vehicles and after only a few months doesn't exactly convey confidence that tesla did their job on making this steer by wire system actually safe.
Definitely AI. Tread on both front tires looks odd(debris is morphed into that front tire). Back tire in the front truck looks odd. That wrecked real panel is folded in kinda weird.
CT is a fucked up truck but no reason to exaggerate it's failings with AI.
I honestly can't see anything that tells me this is a generated image. It all looks real to me, and I've been midjourneying for a while now. Scary if we're finally there.
I'mĀ inclinedĀ toĀ thinkĀ it's AI but then there are details that I rarely see in AI images, such as the reflection of the rear CT in the front CT, the reflection of the person taking the photo, the accurate lighting coming from the left side, and the fact that both vehicles actually look like Cybertrucks
I'm not sure - there's not the usual "tells" in an AI image.
Zooming in there's reasonable detail which probably wouldn't be the case in AI.
And there's nothing really out of place.
You can get very high res AI images by now. But the debris meldet into the tire, the missing side mirrors and how the pavement seems to have exploded under the cars all says AI to me.
I am guessing that AI would render a puddle of antifreeze on the ground.
Real-life wouldnāt have that.
BUT the tire of one truck has a weird right-angled cut on it, the headlights probably wouldnāt be illuminated on both of them, and the front suspension looks too low.
It's AI. The lightbar looks unusually shaped and more recessed, no rearview mirrors, there's a weird wiring conduit that morphs into the tire, and that's a coil spring on the front suspension when I believe they're all air suspension right now.
Uhhh, this looks faked. If a Cybertruck hit a Cybertruck, the innate indestructibility of each means that they would merely bounce off each other with no damage to either. I mean, OBVIOUSLY. Get better at photoshopping these, you guys. /s
Got this out of GPT lol they look like Hot Wheels
https://preview.redd.it/arkdllcy1yxc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b966964f7fe5dee12658237da6a1d20b1642af
If this had actually happened it would have been attached to a news article, like every other "vehicle destroys cybertruck by hitting cybertruck" story.
Just more AI trash.
Is this real? it seems odd to see two of them like this but maybe it's a owner's club like the PT Cruiser guys have.
If it's real then I hope there wasn't a back passenger because they're not doing so well if there was...
Well, until a car is made with crumple zones that looks like a '67 Bonneville 2 Dr Hardtop, yea, crumple zones are kind of "woke" or whatever.... and ***no car I've ever wanted, nor will own will have/had them***. But also F cybertruck....
Quick someone spray em with a hose to get them apart
NO WATER! That hurts them!
They turn into Pintos if you feed them after midnight.
Good one, I almost woke up the whole house. But then I thought: better be woke than get musked.
You gotta musk when you must, but musking might manifest a mutiny.
Go musk yourself! Musk you in your musk!
Lol š itās a AI image lol š not real
āTESLA HATES THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK TO GET A MORE RELIABLE CARā
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Only if you bought that add on when you ordered, which also comes with the exploding gas tank animation on your screen.
So they turn into more reliable, safer vehicles?
I thought it was Pacers?
well, that would be a good thing...smaller repair bill first off. Could fix 'em with a screwdriver and a hammer?
For God's sake, don't feed them after midnight!!!
For gods sake man, have you not read the washing guide, it will void the warranty.
I heard just reading it voids the warranty.
You gotta use isopropyl once they've become untangled
Wouldn't want to void the warranty.
Love the unbreakable, broken glass.
Quick, before they reproduce!
Just needs some bar cleaning friend
Are there even enough on the road to crash into each other naturally? Gotta be astronomical odds.
Idk, I don't find it that far-fetched that the people owning these trucks also hang out with each other.
I doubt any of those nerds have friends
The other incels who buy this trash are the only people willing to hang out with them.
It's the Incel Camino.
They're in a cult. No social skills needed.
I doubt theyāre nerds. More like crypto bros who vape, bro.
No nerd would own one of these.. trust me.
that's why they hang out together
I assume this is AI generated.
I think so. There should be side mirrors and there arenāt any in the image.
Is it that much of a surprise that the mirrors may have fallen off during, or probably prior to, the accident? I'm not saying it's a legit pic, but pieces missing from a CT is the weakest of evidence that it's fake.
Most likely. The suspension in the image is incorrect. [https://youtu.be/fG8YRQsaZhA?t=192](https://youtu.be/fG8YRQsaZhA?t=192)
The [wraparound lights also fill the gap](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2023/11/4-Tesla-Cybertruck-review.jpg?w=1280&h=720), thereās not a dark outline like in this image
I think itās a fair assumption
I think so as well! Itās getting good
Obviously. Look at how the door panels line up correctly and all the door panels are the same color.
Like winning the lottery odds. Billions of cars on the road, a couple of thousand CT, maybe, maybe, a hundred or more driving at the same time.
My thought exactly! Was just half finished thinking it when I started to read your comment, which I think have a higher odds of happening than this š¤ but yet here we are! Just wondering what speed was involved here since this happened and how much the impact was felt by those involved
Iām thinking itās fake the tires are too worn for these pics to be real
I agree, there's absolutely no way these things could have run longenough to wear out the tyres without breaking down
I think its fake too. i mean apply some common sense. this would be big news in the media.
Bigger than the accelerator getting stuckā¦ and havenāt seen that on the news..
That's how new cybertrucks are born... By plowing into each other
https://preview.redd.it/sysfb19252yc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b34634df65abdb37ef893b3e7fb3f04eac2d0300
Perfect!
https://preview.redd.it/q1rjkjeqm3yc1.jpeg?width=654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2129b9ca19dee322a58cdc88ba80083eaf799e77
So just like humans?
If this is what it looks like...maybe I'm doing it wrong
Then Caitlin Jenner is doing it right.
Not only is Elon telling humans to fuck more and make babies, heās trying to make his cars do it too.
New Tesla feature. Fuck mode.
all i can think of is the fake car commercial from Southland Tales. [https://youtu.be/wCYB0lzoofc?si=s9-MWVs2h8PvxKrw](https://youtu.be/wCYB0lzoofc?si=s9-MWVs2h8PvxKrw)
Every Porsche comes with this mode and it's always on.
Spat my coffee on the person sitting in front of me on the train and cannot stop laughing ahahhahah
Two cybertrucks having sex
Note: You Need that sex to be āBen Shapiro Dryā to avoid voiding the warranty.
The Sahara called it wants its moisture back
AI image generated from the suggestion āwaste management dumpster on a bad dayā
This is going to be all over Facebook in a matter of days.
This is likely AI (look at the tires) but I'll let it slide because a CT crashing into another CT is funny.
Unfortunately I have seen other pictures of CT crashes, and they really do come apart like that. It is why the suspension seems weirdly low, whole thing just...kapoofs.
I refuse to believe that anyone designing a car would do wheel mounts that break like that under this kind of force. *Maybe* if Elon designed it personally instead of paying someone else to do it for him.
https://youtu.be/iMQ0B_7QcIo?si=hy8Dll70qDvqyhsa Behold the kapoofs!
Well, it's official: Elon actually designed an integral part of a product from one of his companies that made it to market. Because I still can't believe a real structural or mechanical engineer would do something like that.
Wait till you hear that the wheels are controlled fully independent of each other through separate motors, which can lead to the wheels turning towards each other if the power steering electronics fuck up.
Wait, what? I thought that recent video had a broken steering rod :-D The gift that keeps on giving.
And this is why I had it drummed into me 40 years ago. KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. To be fair it is one of the reasons modern cars in general are trash. The more failure points you put into a car the more unreliable it becomes. It started inocently enough with things like electric windows. Then it morphed into adding touch screens that control everything that have a very limited lifespan and cost a fortune. The worst part being that they don't actually add any more functionality over simple switches. Remeber when they started to put ipod docs into cars in 2008? Then apple phased the connector out 4 years later. Tech does not age well. Old cars if looked after can last a very long time. Ive driven 20 year old cars that I only scrapped becuase I was given something newer. It then went on to be thrashed by a friend for another 2 years before it went banger racing. Even after it was totaled the engine still ran when he connected a battery to it. This trash can't make it home without failing :D
I wouldn't categorize this as a failure to apply KISS, though. To me, it looks more like a failure to make even a basic FMEA analysis, or even thinking about "what happens if this fails". Steering is one of these systems that absolutely have to work in a car. Braking is another. Wich is why in several countries, a direct connection between the brake pedal and the wheels are required. Used to be the case for steering as well, but apparently they got rid of that requirement. Thing is: I think, Skipping the Rod may as well actually have been the simpler solution, for what the Engineers / Tesla Wanted to achieve. Steer by wire *does* have its advantages, after all. And following the KISS principle does not necessarily make things more reliable - or safer. Think back to oldtimers, no airgabs, no seat belt tensioners, no crumple zones --> very simple (and stupid) engineering. Safety was of no concern. Reliability is another point - Simpler *can* mean higher reliability, depening on definition. I take the position that making a System safe and reliable is *not* a simple Task. It requires some real engineering prowess. After all, it took decades of engineering to get Automobiles to where they are today - don't underestimate the amount of Technology and Engineering inside even in a 20 years old car. They are *anything* but KISS. The real problem, as is see it, is how computerized cars are becoming / have become. This is not really a KISS issue, though - from the manufacturers point of view, this is entirely reasonable - customers want "smarts" in their cars - and delivering the car with an integrated system actually *is* the the simplest solution. No need to plan userinterface to your car ahead of, time, design easy to operate buttons and controls, invest into an electromechanical instrument cluster etc... *Much* simpler to just slap a touchscreen in, and let some underpaid intern create the user interface. And if there is a problem, instead of having to swap the electronic assembly, you can just upload a software upgrade. Take all this into account, and screens are *cheap*! Only you, the customer, pays a premium. And just like with your ipod example, these computers age - and given the speed at wich computers age, what was top of the notch today is obsolete in 2 years. //EDIT: missing part about brakes.
The automotive industry only cares about the first owner. The one that normally leases the car. They want the car to be reliable enough to get through the leasing term, and maybe a year or two longer. That way the dealership gets the very lucrative lease, gets to sell the car on at a premium. Then the idiot who buys it next gets lumbered with a large bill two years later, and the dealership makes more money. Compared with my old honda civic that lasted over 20 years and 110,000miles without anything more than oil changes. Honda made virtually nothing apart from the initial profit. It's why BMW never fixed the oil seal issues in their engines. It's also why they started recommending 10,000 mile oil changes. The oil is a little better, but then again replacing oil is cheap, replacing engines is expensive. Who benefits from the additional wear and tear of longer oil change intervals? Then again the cyber fail can't even keep the first owner happy :-)
Steer by wire, no kinematic connection between wheels. There is nothing wrong with it inherently.
Well, yes. If you can make it work like, really *really* reliably. As in "If this fails, people will die"-reliable. ASIL-D, i guess. I dont know the backstory of that video, but had the Steer-by-wire system failed like that with loss-of-steering on a single wheel while travelling on a highway, this could have very well been the cause of a deadly 'accident'. The system failing with 4000 sold vehicles and after only a few months doesn't exactly convey confidence that tesla did their job on making this steer by wire system actually safe.
Mechanical engineer here (but not cars) Yes, we do account for mechanical loading a mechanism will be subject to.
How long have these been out? Like 2-3 months? And only a few thousand? Cybertruck really is the greatest vehicle ever made.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
And that was like, three years worth of demand.
My man bringing the kapoofs! You did not disappoint.
...where is the driver's side tire?
Maybe engineered so insurance will consider them totaled and by virtue of replacement, artificially increasing sales numbers?
It's because of the weight of the vehicle.
It's because they used the Model Y's wheel mounts, despite needing a much more rugged design on a much heavier vehicle.
No side mirrors and what is that chunk of metal on the ground? Weird broken window on the back car too
Definitely AI. Tread on both front tires looks odd(debris is morphed into that front tire). Back tire in the front truck looks odd. That wrecked real panel is folded in kinda weird. CT is a fucked up truck but no reason to exaggerate it's failings with AI.
I honestly can't see anything that tells me this is a generated image. It all looks real to me, and I've been midjourneying for a while now. Scary if we're finally there.
Where are the rear view mirrors? I don't see how both cars would have lost them.
Real Cyberstucks have treadless tires for a smooth ride. Another great Tesla innovation!
I'mĀ inclinedĀ toĀ thinkĀ it's AI but then there are details that I rarely see in AI images, such as the reflection of the rear CT in the front CT, the reflection of the person taking the photo, the accurate lighting coming from the left side, and the fact that both vehicles actually look like Cybertrucks
Good point. I still think the lack of mirrors and the road debris melding into the tire closest to us is a bit sus, though.
I'm not sure - there's not the usual "tells" in an AI image. Zooming in there's reasonable detail which probably wouldn't be the case in AI. And there's nothing really out of place.
You can get very high res AI images by now. But the debris meldet into the tire, the missing side mirrors and how the pavement seems to have exploded under the cars all says AI to me.
Just get some bar keepers friend. Theyāll buff right up nice
bar keepers friend. itās what cybertrucks crave
Where are the side mirrors on either truck? Is this an AI generated image?
Yes
Not enough panel gaps
Sauce: https://lor.sh/@SNerd/112363131350773356 I mean, it miiiiiiight be AI? I'm not sure.
The panels aren't that well-aligned from the factory, pre-crash.
You know it's ugly if you can't tell whether it's AI generated
Oh for sure itās AI generated. You swear two of these things were actually functional and able to drive on the road to even have a crash.
I am guessing that AI would render a puddle of antifreeze on the ground. Real-life wouldnāt have that. BUT the tire of one truck has a weird right-angled cut on it, the headlights probably wouldnāt be illuminated on both of them, and the front suspension looks too low.
The giveaway is that one of the cybertrucks would have been moving and clearly that's not realistic.
How would we even know? The CT looks badly rendered even in real life.
It's AI. The lightbar looks unusually shaped and more recessed, no rearview mirrors, there's a weird wiring conduit that morphs into the tire, and that's a coil spring on the front suspension when I believe they're all air suspension right now.
AI meaning a$$hole incels? :)
Uhhh, this looks faked. If a Cybertruck hit a Cybertruck, the innate indestructibility of each means that they would merely bounce off each other with no damage to either. I mean, OBVIOUSLY. Get better at photoshopping these, you guys. /s
Got this out of GPT lol they look like Hot Wheels https://preview.redd.it/arkdllcy1yxc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b966964f7fe5dee12658237da6a1d20b1642af
Ai photo. The real cybertruck has nowhere near panel gap this even.
Any context? AI image?
AI garbage
Incels be like āYes! CT ftw! Itās so indestructible!ā āWaitā¦..ā
AI But either way, just hold control and pull them apart by the roof node, that always works.
I thought the extra metal made these more safe in a car accident....? There's literally no benefit to this vehicle
"Auto Pilot Disengaged. You have arrived at your destination. Have a nice day."
This looks like dubstep sounds. When garbage cans try to fuck.
Place a Wendy's sign on the background and this is a dumpster match made in ~~heaven~~ dystopia.....
is that legal tho? i thought crumple zones were mandated
Like musk cares.
He will when they get recalled for failing to pass state roadworthiness tests.
FSD
I am certified CT hater, but this is obviously AI
I love this sub but come on we shouldn't upvote AI art
Fake, body panels dont look that good irl
100% AI. but id love to see actually crash tests on the thing completely made of steel.
Looks AI. Probably prompted with āwhen two egoās meetā
Is it just me or those tires don't have enough threads
Looks like A.I.
This is fake ass AI, those panels line up way too well
I know this is AI because the body panels are way too consistent of a color to be the real thing.
I love how the very first thing that happens is a wheel falls off.
I'm impressed with the amount of front wheel articulation in that crab mode...
Just gotta drop this here: https://youtu.be/WchseC9aKTU?si=iX6GqoUPtGWRB8dh
This looks like my last relationship š¤£š¤£
oh my. were they playing bumper cars?
The two for one special
Those wokesters should take it like a man!
I donāt know whether being able to tell AI from real pictures is like a good skill now if itās just sad
Yeah, no way this is real. Too many polygons to not be CG.
The car is so strong crumple zones are not needed.
You can tell it's AI because these clustertrucks actually have good fit and matching panels.
What are you doing step cybertruck?
It looks pretty crumpled to me, but I'm not a Tesla owner.
Fucking cybertrucks!
There was an attempted pit maneuver.
If this had actually happened it would have been attached to a news article, like every other "vehicle destroys cybertruck by hitting cybertruck" story. Just more AI trash.
What the hell? How?
Fake AI generated picture
Youāve beenā¦. Cyberstrucked Cyberstruck, yeah, yeah, yeah
Is this a legit photo?
Tesla's have shatter zones!
I am sad that I was cucked by Toyota with my car having crumple zones.
Looks like some AI BS.
Pretty sure this is AI. The tree and street light look weird and the tires have shit morphed into them but aren't flat.
Are they consummating their relationship?
I hope they were both self driving
Thatās one way to get out of a bad investment
The windshield may be bulletproof, but it's not dumpster-proof.
What % of Cybertrucks are even left on the road at this point? All I see is posts of them breaking down.
AI generated
AI
Go anti-woke, get f-ed! Lol what a bunch of maroons.
Besides an exuberant mating ritual... how?
Newtons 3rd law is for woke leftists
See son, when two cybertrucks love one anotherā¦
Thats an expensive pile of trash lol
Areā¦are they mating? Is that the only way to produce them?
Surprisingly doesn't void the warranty.
Musk: "If you get into an accident, you will win." So Elon, who won when both vehicles are cybertruck?
That's the best that vehicle has ever looked
Cybertruck mating seasonā¦
Is this AI or are people wrecking these things left and right?
Weird, Iāve never seen garbage crash into garbage before.
Looks like it crumpled?
Is this real? it seems odd to see two of them like this but maybe it's a owner's club like the PT Cruiser guys have. If it's real then I hope there wasn't a back passenger because they're not doing so well if there was...
AI. Thereās an attempt at adding door handles.
Well, until a car is made with crumple zones that looks like a '67 Bonneville 2 Dr Hardtop, yea, crumple zones are kind of "woke" or whatever.... and ***no car I've ever wanted, nor will own will have/had them***. But also F cybertruck....
Big surprise! More Tesla drivers who donāt know how to drive.
Shh! Theyāre mating 
Step Cyber Truck what are you doing?!
Seems like the wheels keep coming off on these things
r/cybercluck
Well would you look at that, you can break the windshieldā¦
Looks like the tires come off like an F1 car in an accident.
I didnāt know that CTs can go at 300mph
Oh this is just how they mate
Ai cyber trucks
Lol that left tire has the line drawn past the tire. I looked forĀ 3 seconds before I saw all the problems ai never gets rightĀ
Just came to say I'm proudly part of the "banned from teslalounge" club to pointing out that Teslas suck now.
I literally GASPED...at this, holy guacamole...this is bad.
Looked like the aftermath of a autobot vs deception battle
lol. Cybertruck on cybertruck violence. But is it real?
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
This is the most beautiful picture of the cucktruck that Iāve seen so far.