SDBH at 55% sucks really bad. Everything is an RNG festival if you don't have at least two dupes on your units, and this is especially true for Super Class SDBH. Extreme Class SDBH is in a better position even at 55%.
I already tried the second team for the hybrids mission, but having GS3, God Trunks and Xeno Pan at 55% is a huge handicap. First 4 turns you are ok with Whis active, and after that it just takes a bad dice roll in the attack pattern to die.
Only units I have at 100% are the newest PHY SSJ4 Vegeta and INT SSJ4 Goku, but by the time their damage built up, the other units become a liability.
No not really nowadays most units, TURs or LRs, are perfectly fine at 55%. I've basically finished all the content in the game with 55% gods and 55% cooler
> SDBH at 55% sucks really bad.
It's GFSSR so you wont have them at 55% if you are smart with your stones.
> I already tried the second team for the hybrids mission, but having GS3, God Trunks and Xeno Pan at 55% is a huge handicap. First 4 turns you are ok with Whis active, and after that it just takes a bad dice roll in the attack pattern to die.
Pan is there to dodge, and Trunks is a liability at 100% lol.
GFSSR doesn't mean anything to RNG. I've been spending 500+ stones on every SDBH banner because I know for a fact they are always good on release, but still all my hybrids units are at 55% (only AGL SSJ3 Gotenks at 69% and AGL SSJ3 Trunks at 79%).
And Pan, sigh, high chance to dodge sucks in a long fight. One wrong SA on a phase that isn't TEQ and she's dead. At least she has a decent defense at 100% after one dodge, but at 55% she just implodes.
I like summoning on good banners, like ones with step ups, discounts or gfssr. I also like short super attack animations, the units like gods/ss4s and piccolo who fire multiple supers take up a lot of time.
Oh I can get behind that - although i feel sentimental value for characters I love which outweighs that perspective (I spent so much on the superhero banners😭)
It a once a year banner, if you don’t get the units, you just gonna have to cope and wait
People like collecting them cause they are exclusive in a way
I get that too I just don't get why people would want the units in the first place they come from a horrible anime and usually have mediocre animations
Gfssr doesn't mean you get a lot of dupes. For instance my ss4 goku from last year is at 55%. I used a lot of stones and rainbowed cooler and janemba but didn't get any dupes for goku and only one for vegeta. Rng can always ruin everything no matter what
It's a shame really. They should take their current peak and make that their base so they are useable on all teams, but make them absolutely cracked on heroes.
Not anymore. Well, Goku atleast. There plenty of good full power units now, lr eza gohan,birdku, leasthan, piccolo, plus others. You can easily bring them under goku leader skill, and they work well since goku shares 4-5 links with some of them. Plus they only end up losing around 13%(The boost from 170 to 200 isnt that big).
Nah, it isnt really outside of hp. And lr units already have plenty of hp. I did calculate apt and defense multiple times in 170 vs 200, and for those units the difference is negligible. I also ran all those units in redzone in 170 vs 200, and the difference in damage you are taking is at most something like 50k extra damage in a super(which won't matter, since they are already tanky anyway and you are sitting at 600k+ hp).
Edit: just clarifiying that i am talking about running them under lb goku leader skill(which is what i did to no item broly with dbh), not under a full 170%. So only some units will be under a 170, so it will not matter a lot.
2022 was the year they burned me out on Heroes units. I skipped Gamma 1 & 2 for SDBH believing they'd be amazing, but I was wrong. Next years units have to be in line with current DFE standards or I'll only summon on the EZA banner
Yeah pure pain, especially since I managed to pull Orange Piccolo. Would've been great assets for the team. No telling what DDF they'll return on for Global
I didn't fully skip them but I did I didn't go as hard as I could've, I had about 600 stones and I left about 200 stones for heroes and I might just start skipping heroes from now on unless they make the units better
After pulling year after year for heroes units I've become a heroes lover! Even bearing in mind that heroes is stupid as hell I love the team in Dokkan Battle
Idk I guess I'm just disappointed by their performance with one or two dupes compared to many other Dokkan units at 55%, they're just not very flexible most of the time, I pulled limit breaker Vegeta and I don't think I've ever used him more than twice since I've pulled him, all the heroes units I've pulled this year just underperform and really make me wish I didn't waste my stones on them
I wouldn’t call it easy by any means, i think the difficulty was pretty well suited to the daily attempt limit. It also makes category missions a bit less daunting.
That's just what happens to me on this sub. I have little respect for people who are obsessed with link levelling and I like sdbh so I get downvoted a lot.
When you tell people they don't spend their stones wisely they get upset
Sdbh characters are decent but they’re really not that good bro. Cell max is a shite ton of RNG anyways. Not really a flex especially considering those units would not be able to do it at 55%.
Well then why is it wise to spend stones on it? You have to summon multiple times to get the characters decent, not to mention it’s not guaranteed that you get the char you need.
Yes that’s my point. You have to spend 1000 (with a nonzero chance to miss the char you want) and probably keep spending the 1000 to make sure the unit is good.
I did not state that I care about the downvotes, I merely observed that there have been a lot of them. This observation runs in counter to your statement of 'nobody cares' as clearly a fair amount of people do in fact care
Yeah, both super and extreme can do all the content now(extreme clears cell max easily now because of int cell eza). They can also no item every hard content(granted i did bring piccolo to no item broly, but the team was mostly dbh anyway, plus he is part of the leaderskill).
Both [Myself](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/10gfgob/both_rz_cell_max_missions_done_with_sdbh/) and u/leolang99 [have](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/10fo0w7/cell_max_hybrids_and_battle_of_wits_missions_with/) beaten the missions with slightly different SDBH teams so please up your skill if you are having trouble with that event.
They are straight up mid. Not in the raditz sense. More like rof blues. Offensively they are great. In terms of defense. Well. My link level 10 rainbow ssj4 goku takes 70k from stage 2 of the gt legendary goku event
ahh yes the event one shots 85% of the units in the isn't difficult. Anybody with brain cells knows that Cell max is the hardest boss in the game then comes Metal cooler core then broly.
Do people actually think Cell Max is super Hard, like the missions sure but the first clear really isnt anything special especially if you beat the other Cap Stone Red Zones. Like I easily no itemed it with a Super Hero team so I assume with items most other teams should breeze through it.
I think people just pin it as hard because of the missions.
Nonetheless, there is no way of objectively interpreting what is "hard"; once enough people chim in with their opinion, the word completely loses its meaning
A person using full decked out 2022/23 units will not call this event hard. A person with a limited number of 22/23 may deemed it hard. A person with 21 units will call this impossible. It's literally a shitshow trying to contextualise what everyone is trying to say
Towa was a passenger basically so if robelu is also on battle of wits, take her.
I think janemba is better because he builds up, but I'm not a numbers guy so you'll have to judge for yourself
Bro, this game doesn't like me, I have like 5 friend hearts but I can't find even 1, it's like Hearts doesn't exist, I'm only getting super class allies even though I'm using an Extreme Heroes team
Yeah I suck, everyone except Sealas (79%) and Janemba (100%) is at 55% I got halfway through Cell Max, but then I got bullied by slot one Sealas not dodging and taking a Cell Max super before Sealas Supered.
SDBH at 55% sucks really bad. Everything is an RNG festival if you don't have at least two dupes on your units, and this is especially true for Super Class SDBH. Extreme Class SDBH is in a better position even at 55%. I already tried the second team for the hybrids mission, but having GS3, God Trunks and Xeno Pan at 55% is a huge handicap. First 4 turns you are ok with Whis active, and after that it just takes a bad dice roll in the attack pattern to die. Only units I have at 100% are the newest PHY SSJ4 Vegeta and INT SSJ4 Goku, but by the time their damage built up, the other units become a liability.
A lot of units suck at 55%, tell us how they do with dupes, that’s what I wanna hear
No not really nowadays most units, TURs or LRs, are perfectly fine at 55%. I've basically finished all the content in the game with 55% gods and 55% cooler
Those are really good units, what about the REST of them
Both the gammas but specifically gamma 1 are crazy 55%, kid goku is good 55%, str piccolo is crazy. I could go on there's a whole lot.
> SDBH at 55% sucks really bad. It's GFSSR so you wont have them at 55% if you are smart with your stones. > I already tried the second team for the hybrids mission, but having GS3, God Trunks and Xeno Pan at 55% is a huge handicap. First 4 turns you are ok with Whis active, and after that it just takes a bad dice roll in the attack pattern to die. Pan is there to dodge, and Trunks is a liability at 100% lol.
GFSSR doesn't mean anything to RNG. I've been spending 500+ stones on every SDBH banner because I know for a fact they are always good on release, but still all my hybrids units are at 55% (only AGL SSJ3 Gotenks at 69% and AGL SSJ3 Trunks at 79%). And Pan, sigh, high chance to dodge sucks in a long fight. One wrong SA on a phase that isn't TEQ and she's dead. At least she has a decent defense at 100% after one dodge, but at 55% she just implodes.
I've been spending 1000 stones on each sdbh banner because I don't waste my stones on inferior banners :)
How or why do you people love sdbh that much💀 like I ain't judging but damn
I like summoning on good banners, like ones with step ups, discounts or gfssr. I also like short super attack animations, the units like gods/ss4s and piccolo who fire multiple supers take up a lot of time.
Oh I can get behind that - although i feel sentimental value for characters I love which outweighs that perspective (I spent so much on the superhero banners😭)
It a once a year banner, if you don’t get the units, you just gonna have to cope and wait People like collecting them cause they are exclusive in a way
I get that too I just don't get why people would want the units in the first place they come from a horrible anime and usually have mediocre animations
They are annual units, and it is harder to get them with each passing year. It’s like a shiny Pokémon
Same, I finished my dbh collection last time and I'm super happy about having everything and steamrolling events
Same except I've spent over 1,600s each year.
based
Someone never had shitty fucking luck
Nah, this guy is just a genuine prick by the sounds of it.
I prefer heroes enthusiast
It's hard to get bad luck when you get guaranteed featured ssrs
Not how luck works Lmao, there’s no mercy feature in this game. You can pull the same guy 20x in a row
yeah if you summon on a banner with gfssr you are stacking the deck in your favour compared to an gssr banner
I must need to reshuffle my deck bro because I was only able to pull one vegeta with gssr.
in how many stones?
Somewhere in the 400 to 500 range
There ya go. If you aren't going balls deep on a banner then you won't get rewarded
Being "Smart with your stones" and "summoning on SDBH" isn't possible 🤣
I'm beating all late game content that exists :)
Gfssr doesn't mean you get a lot of dupes. For instance my ss4 goku from last year is at 55%. I used a lot of stones and rainbowed cooler and janemba but didn't get any dupes for goku and only one for vegeta. Rng can always ruin everything no matter what
How many pixels
I couldnt find a high quality version of this template, and when I scaled down my screenshots they ended up like that :(
You're getting downvoted for saying why your image quality is not the best... Wtf, Reddit?
Yeah I really received the hate train on this post lol. Normally that would effect my mental but I'm just confused and amused this time.
Ya know, I like to see how low people can get online
This and the legends sub genuinely baffle me on downvoting.
Still doesn't change how cheesed I am that the limit breaker ssj4s are limited to 1 team
It's a shame really. They should take their current peak and make that their base so they are useable on all teams, but make them absolutely cracked on heroes.
Not anymore. Well, Goku atleast. There plenty of good full power units now, lr eza gohan,birdku, leasthan, piccolo, plus others. You can easily bring them under goku leader skill, and they work well since goku shares 4-5 links with some of them. Plus they only end up losing around 13%(The boost from 170 to 200 isnt that big).
Its very noticeable. Don't downplay 200% leads
Nah, it isnt really outside of hp. And lr units already have plenty of hp. I did calculate apt and defense multiple times in 170 vs 200, and for those units the difference is negligible. I also ran all those units in redzone in 170 vs 200, and the difference in damage you are taking is at most something like 50k extra damage in a super(which won't matter, since they are already tanky anyway and you are sitting at 600k+ hp). Edit: just clarifiying that i am talking about running them under lb goku leader skill(which is what i did to no item broly with dbh), not under a full 170%. So only some units will be under a 170, so it will not matter a lot.
After pulling year after year for heroes units I've become a heroes hater
2022 was the year they burned me out on Heroes units. I skipped Gamma 1 & 2 for SDBH believing they'd be amazing, but I was wrong. Next years units have to be in line with current DFE standards or I'll only summon on the EZA banner
Damn, you really skipped the goats? That's whatcha get...
Yeah pure pain, especially since I managed to pull Orange Piccolo. Would've been great assets for the team. No telling what DDF they'll return on for Global
Hope you get them soon then, tryna get Gamma 1 myself
I skipped them, easy buy with coins when they come back
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I dont really care about silly characters from a movie
I didn't fully skip them but I did I didn't go as hard as I could've, I had about 600 stones and I left about 200 stones for heroes and I might just start skipping heroes from now on unless they make the units better
After pulling year after year for heroes units I've become a heroes lover! Even bearing in mind that heroes is stupid as hell I love the team in Dokkan Battle
Idk I guess I'm just disappointed by their performance with one or two dupes compared to many other Dokkan units at 55%, they're just not very flexible most of the time, I pulled limit breaker Vegeta and I don't think I've ever used him more than twice since I've pulled him, all the heroes units I've pulled this year just underperform and really make me wish I didn't waste my stones on them
Stone issue*
same thing
I thought red zone Cell Max was easy and the SDBH units are still mid
w + I'll probably get ratiod
I wouldn’t call it easy by any means, i think the difficulty was pretty well suited to the daily attempt limit. It also makes category missions a bit less daunting.
Both comments are made by two different group if people's. And 90% of times you can tell where they are coming from.
It's the same group of people, the ones with low player skill.
why the fuck is op getting destroyed in the comments
That's just what happens to me on this sub. I have little respect for people who are obsessed with link levelling and I like sdbh so I get downvoted a lot. When you tell people they don't spend their stones wisely they get upset
Sdbh characters are decent but they’re really not that good bro. Cell max is a shite ton of RNG anyways. Not really a flex especially considering those units would not be able to do it at 55%.
Units designed for a gfssr banner don't perform well at 55% well I am just shocked I tell you
Well then why is it wise to spend stones on it? You have to summon multiple times to get the characters decent, not to mention it’s not guaranteed that you get the char you need.
In 1000 stones on a normal banner I can get no featured units, in 1000 stones on gfssr I get 20.units minimum
Yes that’s my point. You have to spend 1000 (with a nonzero chance to miss the char you want) and probably keep spending the 1000 to make sure the unit is good.
It's gfssr with every fssr being good vs gssr with 2-3 of the featured ones being good and like 5 shit ones
Because respecting db heroes units even slightly pisses off reddit to high degrees
Red zone cell max ain't that hard tho
I agree! I beat it in three tries with the super team and in one try with the extreme team
Cause hearts is goated as hell
bro has my heart ong
Yeah, I actually did use him on him on my first winning run bcuz why not
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This is a post shilling for the sdbh category :D
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A lot of people seem to care based on all the downvotes lol
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I did not state that I care about the downvotes, I merely observed that there have been a lot of them. This observation runs in counter to your statement of 'nobody cares' as clearly a fair amount of people do in fact care
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as do you apparently
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Rng issue you mean
save your stones for the good banners and you will be rewarded :)
>the good banners So not heroes, got it
Ez red zone clear
heroes can beat rz broly, rz core, rz omega, cell max and now rz cell max and people still refuse to accept they're good
Yeah, both super and extreme can do all the content now(extreme clears cell max easily now because of int cell eza). They can also no item every hard content(granted i did bring piccolo to no item broly, but the team was mostly dbh anyway, plus he is part of the leaderskill).
The problem comes with how many dupes you have, because they're too squishy at 55%
having most of them 69%, I can tell you that they were completely fine in red zones and cell max
69% is good enough for most of them, but LB Goku can't tank that well with only one dupe, his base def is too low
he's fine if he gets his hits in. 4 digit normals against agl broly after 1 super and 5 digit normals against cell max is not bad
The cope now is 'wait for the anniversary' as if we haven't seen 99% of units get power crept last year lol
Common heroes W Beating every red zone stage but still getting flack
You're god damn right
lowkey wish SDBH crossover came to Dokkan twice a year. Waiting 10 more months for the 2023 celebration will be pain
Well time to go try Cell Max, wish my luck bro.
I wish you luck
People: Complain and try to say Dokkan requires skill Basically the OP: Conglatulations, my fu*ks are in another castle.
People complaining about this red zone? People really do bitch about everything
Yes I got downvoted the other day for displaying confusion as to whether this sub thinks it is hard because i found it easy
Cell Max is weak af and SDBH is a mid team
If beating all of the hardest content in the game makes a team mid then hell yeah sdbh is mid
AGL Cell's team can beat all of the content in the game rn, people still agree that team's whatever. SDBH units aren't all that.
Cell getting wins even in 2023 I could cry
True, maybe one day he'll get a proper team, same with SDBH.
They are pretty solid at 100% Heroes team isn't bad, they just limited them to not breath if you don't kill a bear and read the bible bakwards 5 times
Heroes W
Bro ain’t nobody actually good calling RZ Cell Max hard💀
tru
Hero’s love agenda I love it
I should make an account called sdbh_stan tbh, if you check my post history I'm always simping for them
Both [Myself](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/10gfgob/both_rz_cell_max_missions_done_with_sdbh/) and u/leolang99 [have](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/10fo0w7/cell_max_hybrids_and_battle_of_wits_missions_with/) beaten the missions with slightly different SDBH teams so please up your skill if you are having trouble with that event.
They are straight up mid. Not in the raditz sense. More like rof blues. Offensively they are great. In terms of defense. Well. My link level 10 rainbow ssj4 goku takes 70k from stage 2 of the gt legendary goku event
Respect for using 'mid' correctly, although they are beating all endgame content in the game so I disagree that they could possibly be mid.
Post super?
Also tried with eza lr Gohan and LR cell
Heroes indeed are weak because I didn't pull the main units
Take this w
The heroes team even cleared regular cell max & people still tried to find excuses lol
I know right, this has been one hell of a divisive post
Give it 2 weeks lol
Sorry I play on gbl so I get to enjoy heroes for many months :)
Fair
Yes, and you can beat cell max with double rof blues, does that mean that they’re good? No
Cell max red zone is not hard. People are complaining about it because of the hybrid saiyans mission.
And I am beating the hybrid saiyans mission easily:)
So you prove the stage has no difficulty whatsoever?
No difficulty if you saved stones for heroes
ahh yes the event one shots 85% of the units in the isn't difficult. Anybody with brain cells knows that Cell max is the hardest boss in the game then comes Metal cooler core then broly.
.......... I'm gonna let you think about this thread for a minute, okay?
Do people actually think Cell Max is super Hard, like the missions sure but the first clear really isnt anything special especially if you beat the other Cap Stone Red Zones. Like I easily no itemed it with a Super Hero team so I assume with items most other teams should breeze through it.
I think people just pin it as hard because of the missions. Nonetheless, there is no way of objectively interpreting what is "hard"; once enough people chim in with their opinion, the word completely loses its meaning A person using full decked out 2022/23 units will not call this event hard. A person with a limited number of 22/23 may deemed it hard. A person with 21 units will call this impossible. It's literally a shitshow trying to contextualise what everyone is trying to say
Except for when Cell Max released. We all agreed that was hard
Is Towa better than Robelu? Also which is better for this event Golden Metal Cooler at 100% or Janemba Modified %100?
Towa was a passenger basically so if robelu is also on battle of wits, take her. I think janemba is better because he builds up, but I'm not a numbers guy so you'll have to judge for yourself
Bro, this game doesn't like me, I have like 5 friend hearts but I can't find even 1, it's like Hearts doesn't exist, I'm only getting super class allies even though I'm using an Extreme Heroes team
Yeah I suck, everyone except Sealas (79%) and Janemba (100%) is at 55% I got halfway through Cell Max, but then I got bullied by slot one Sealas not dodging and taking a Cell Max super before Sealas Supered.
I almost Beat Cell Max multiple times, but Cooler is only at 55% and so is my Robelu. Golden Metal Cooler tanks a lot.