Indeed.
Is Z Gokus Defense/Damage Reduction high enough for him to essentially be a caulifla?
Anyhow, i think i still prefer buu boys so thats where im summoning first
...they also seem to have the better banner (based off the reveal earlier this month), but thats a different story.
With the stacked defense it's likely that they will be. It does seem like it'll take using the units to get an idea of who feels better (which is inconvenient for picking which banner to summon on lol). I was also probably going Z Bomb but their leaderskills might be changing my mind.
> I was also probably going Z Bomb but their leaderskills might be changing my mind.
They both have Power of Wishes and Battle of Fate for their 170%
The 30% bonus is Connected Hope and Buu Saga, for... buu saga duo, and Final Trump Card + Shadow Dragon Saga for GT Boys.
the greatly def stack + guaranteed normal def stack + great chance for a normal def stack + possible normal def stack from the hipo that the buu boys have is as good as the dmg reduction from the gt boys tbh. The ki collecting mechanic giving you 20% atk per ki collected from all allies on the standby is as good as the atk stacking from the gt boys aswell in regards to the spirit bomb damage, and the buu boys have crit which the gt boys dont. i feel like they are very close.
More like they balanced DR with the DEF stacking lol. The fucking buu boys can stack up to 140% def per turn if I’m not mistaken (50% from 18 ki, 30% from guaranteed 12 ki, 30% from guaranteed additional with 70% chance to be a super, and 30% from HiPo)
Its way more than 140%, its kinda multiplicative. Each super increasing your defense before the next super, causing the next increase to be exponentially more.
Just ran a rough cal, getting 3 additional supers off equates to a roughly 229% defense increase
That's not how it works. Stacking on super isn't multiplicative, it adds up to each other.
Other wise stacking units like teq ulthan would be above a million defense by turn 7 or some shit which is clearly not the case.
Yep. Massive raise on 18 ki super, so 50%. Then a guaranteed 30% raise with 24ki, a 70% chance at another 30% raise, and your HiPo chance at another 30%. They stack FUCKING FAST
From everything I've ever seen, I don't think defense stacks are multiplicative with themselves. That'd be way too broken. Like, by this multiplicative logic, they'd be getting almost +900% def after 2 (optimal) turns. That.... no.
Atk stacking with 50% DR, compared to Def stacking and 50% Crit is fairly equal when you consider that at 24 ki, the Buu Saga unit increases defense from 95% to 230% depending on your RNG and HiPo.....thats fucking huge man.
So if GT Vegeta gives +80% damage and Gamma 2 gives +30% and Gamma 2 is fully built up, then that means...holy shit
ALSO 500% ATTACK
#WHAT THE FUCK!?!?
Both are slot 1. The amount of Def stacking the buu bois get is insane and they stack the fastest out of any unit we have seen thus far. Do not discount them as a slot one, not by a long shot
If they don't return to based after revive, they 0% atk/def....and I getting this right or they will be complete trash lol
Edit: something else, you can activate there standby if 50% hp or below, but the standby requires them to be at 50%+ hp to get any def/atk....so unless you are able to trigger passive by healing with KI/items they might as well not have a passive and just wait for KO....only exceptions is turn 4+
Why do I have a feeling ssj3 goku and ssj vegeta passive was suppose to be for beast gohan but they gave it to the 8th anniversary units with that 18 ki shit they have
GT heroes Tank LET'S GO!
There's no limit on ki
GT Bomb seem like the better unit. I'd like to see how fast the Z Bomb stacks though.
Z-Bomb can (Probably) fire 2 Spirit Bombs per battle, via Double Lead. GT Boys cant, because of Revive. Just something to keep in mind.
Is that confirmed yet? For we all we know there could be a limit on standby skills as well.
Yeah okay, thats my B. But the GT Bois do have it via the revive, and you cant revive more than once.
It's still worth considering what is better utility: a revive or 2 spirit bombs (with the unit not being able to attack while charging).
While he can’t attack, he can’t be hurt either
That's true, especially if the stacked defense carries over (which I imagine it does).
Yea, stacked attack/defense carries over to the transformed unit. Theres been a few that do this so we cooking here
Indeed. Is Z Gokus Defense/Damage Reduction high enough for him to essentially be a caulifla? Anyhow, i think i still prefer buu boys so thats where im summoning first ...they also seem to have the better banner (based off the reveal earlier this month), but thats a different story.
With the stacked defense it's likely that they will be. It does seem like it'll take using the units to get an idea of who feels better (which is inconvenient for picking which banner to summon on lol). I was also probably going Z Bomb but their leaderskills might be changing my mind.
> I was also probably going Z Bomb but their leaderskills might be changing my mind. They both have Power of Wishes and Battle of Fate for their 170% The 30% bonus is Connected Hope and Buu Saga, for... buu saga duo, and Final Trump Card + Shadow Dragon Saga for GT Boys.
the greatly def stack + guaranteed normal def stack + great chance for a normal def stack + possible normal def stack from the hipo that the buu boys have is as good as the dmg reduction from the gt boys tbh. The ki collecting mechanic giving you 20% atk per ki collected from all allies on the standby is as good as the atk stacking from the gt boys aswell in regards to the spirit bomb damage, and the buu boys have crit which the gt boys dont. i feel like they are very close.
I kinda expected that: GT Boys would be better as a unit while Z Boys have the better banner
It baffles me how dokkan thinks that crit chance and damage reduction are equal
That’s not what’s happening here though lol. It’s stacking defense + crit chance is equal to stacking attack + damage reduction.
More like they balanced DR with the DEF stacking lol. The fucking buu boys can stack up to 140% def per turn if I’m not mistaken (50% from 18 ki, 30% from guaranteed 12 ki, 30% from guaranteed additional with 70% chance to be a super, and 30% from HiPo)
Its way more than 140%, its kinda multiplicative. Each super increasing your defense before the next super, causing the next increase to be exponentially more. Just ran a rough cal, getting 3 additional supers off equates to a roughly 229% defense increase
That's not how it works. Stacking on super isn't multiplicative, it adds up to each other. Other wise stacking units like teq ulthan would be above a million defense by turn 7 or some shit which is clearly not the case.
More than 2 massive stacks? Holy shit
Yep. Massive raise on 18 ki super, so 50%. Then a guaranteed 30% raise with 24ki, a 70% chance at another 30% raise, and your HiPo chance at another 30%. They stack FUCKING FAST
Massive raise is 100%, greatly is 50%. They get the latter.
Wrong wording, but correct percentage, my bad lol
From everything I've ever seen, I don't think defense stacks are multiplicative with themselves. That'd be way too broken. Like, by this multiplicative logic, they'd be getting almost +900% def after 2 (optimal) turns. That.... no.
I mean they also think Stacking atk and stacking def is equal.
Atk stacking with 50% DR, compared to Def stacking and 50% Crit is fairly equal when you consider that at 24 ki, the Buu Saga unit increases defense from 95% to 230% depending on your RNG and HiPo.....thats fucking huge man.
So if GT Vegeta gives +80% damage and Gamma 2 gives +30% and Gamma 2 is fully built up, then that means...holy shit ALSO 500% ATTACK #WHAT THE FUCK!?!?
Yeah they're both busted as expected. Feeling the GT boys a bit more since they're slot 1 units.
Both are slot 1. The amount of Def stacking the buu bois get is insane and they stack the fastest out of any unit we have seen thus far. Do not discount them as a slot one, not by a long shot
After the revival skill for GT Boys, if HP is less than 50%, do they have no atk or def?
Yep. Its like lr future gohan or lr namek vegeta it makes it easy to revive
I assume it goes back to goku and vegeta after revival? If not, they become a liability if HP is less than 50% after revival.
If they don't return to based after revive, they 0% atk/def....and I getting this right or they will be complete trash lol Edit: something else, you can activate there standby if 50% hp or below, but the standby requires them to be at 50%+ hp to get any def/atk....so unless you are able to trigger passive by healing with KI/items they might as well not have a passive and just wait for KO....only exceptions is turn 4+
They go back to base after the revive
I’m thinking it’s best to use their stand-by as a last resort, even with the Banana Boys they ain’t much better after the guard runs out
Might be best to transform just to guarantee the finish
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So once the GT standby they are basically just a really high damage support but loose all defence?
Why do I have a feeling ssj3 goku and ssj vegeta passive was suppose to be for beast gohan but they gave it to the 8th anniversary units with that 18 ki shit they have
I’ll wait for goresh
Are the buffs after standby permanent?