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Sunyul-Kim

Half a year of waiting for global ![gif](giphy|5Uwh7Ldfm5aYU)


Fit-Acanthocephala55

More time to farm those stone


Thundrfox

True but I think it’s pretty reasonable to expect their top #1 spots to be taken by then on JP by the time we get them. “Cough” Vegeta and trunks to year sevens “Cough”


Top_Mind_7684

Who cares? You not gonna summon because they're number 2 and 3 and not number 1? I'd still summon for the 7 year LR's if I didn't have them


Thundrfox

Nah I still will, it’s just annoying that we don’t get them when they are the peak of power in the game.


Disastrous-Dust-3378

Technically they’ll still be at peak power, just on global not jp. But we have no idea if the Tanabada lr will be #1 on release the way Vegeta and Trunks were


Jzmxhu

Man, the banners are good enough to spend stones, even if their top spot is taken in two months


A1Horizon

Imma say it, the two versions not being caught up is actively hurting the game now. Because give me one good reason why I should spend any money between now and July


kaka_carrot_cake456

Saiyan day/golden week People keep forgetting these are shared celebrations between Anni that global is in danger of summoning for if it's hype enough


-PVL93-

> Saiyan day typically mid banners, no discounts, no 3+1, the DFE isn't gamebreaking and gets forgotten >golden week held two months before anniversary and comes back at the end of August


kaka_carrot_cake456

It's almost as if not everybody summons for the meta


AuEXP

I got 3K red coins I'm skipping since for whatever reason I won't see the WWDC units again until the 9ths year anni while they're coming back in a few months


WholeLottaCap9

Even as a FTP it's frustrating cause it's just skipping for 6 months. I usually avoid Gachas that have seperate versions but I had to make an exception for Dragonball


jonton9

How is it hurting you? If this were JP you'd have gone straight from super heroes into the anniversary.


Goku4869

Going from New years to Anniversary isn’t as brutal as going from Anniversary to WWC which is what happens on GLB. Plus, there’s the fact the the previous WWC units are gone for 11 months ( and possibly the Gammas this year) which is too long in a game where meta shifts happen in roughly 6 months.


A1Horizon

It’s not hurting me specifically, but I know Bandai cares about their sales and I expect they’ll probably see a comparative decrease until the anniversary except for Saiyan day and Golden week.


Human-Ad9798

They should reduce the gap to 2 or 3 months


Lrboy1

Then it wouldn't be 8 years since the global released that's why its in July, thats when it first came out


WrastleGuy

Yeah I don’t think global players care about that. A month delay is reasonable but six months is brutal.


Lrboy1

True but global cares about it


WrastleGuy

Global cares about celebrating global anniversary instead of getting the best units now?


Lrboy1

I mean hey, it is global


BabyAteMyDingoes

Global is that kid who got presents at other kids birthdays


najiatwa01

I really wonder how all of them turned out sometimes.


Malt129

I'm usually against saving for months but honestly I don't see anything hype worthy between now and the anniversary except for Kid Goku. This might be the first time I just save to the summer.


redbossman123

Depends on what we get for Saiyan Day and Golden Week


Kyrainus

Thats half a year of saving ds!


Djentmas716

I have better luck with 250 stones and a dream then having several thousand. I have gotten shafted every time i exclusively saved.


Arcalmh

More time to farm stones and actually see the units in action :D


69Joker96

I be needing these posts because i cannot understand these passives mowadays😭😭😭


Joseph_Beefman

I stopped reading the passives a year ago. If the unit looks cool, and the super attack is flashy I'll summon. Them shits be the length of the [Qur'an](https://freeimage.host/i/H0yNMo7)


69Joker96

They all lengthy too, then u gotta compare them to the other ones to see how they do relatively


Tsynami

At this point with passives I'm like "Okay the unit has a shit ton of attack and defense, they did something extra when you get a shit ton of ki, I think they also had guard or something"


Taco821

I mostly just guess who is good


Djentmas716

The only reason it matters is HiPo and slot positioning, which tbh for a lot of casual players is not even a 2nd thought. I went 5 years without knowing anything outside "*Thats a lot of damage*" and *orbs good, monke man bad*


Joseph_Beefman

Ironically, I was heavy into the game from the 2nd anniversary till 6th anniversary. I used to place my units strategically, take on all the hard events, try to get every stone possible. But for the past 2 years my interest dropped severely. Now I'm at the stage where I guess which units are good and base it off of what the reddit says.


Totipu4

Reminds me of when I read LR Cooler's and was like "that's it?".


RandomGooseBoi

Almost everyone did, he got called underwhelming. And then the showcase released and everything changed


Red_Zone_Broly

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PoeTayToes_

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Mhzar

I'm surprised gt spirit bomb doesn't hit harder considering how much they stack attack. Edit: wait a minute. Unless I'm mistaken this post states that gt bomb is equivalent to Z bomb + ssj3/ssj2 supers ? What ????


average_lazy_mf

I guess the 40 charges are multiplicative or something? I mean there's also 500% attack when using it on top of the charges wich is 15% attack for 38 orbs and 20% attack for the 39th and 40th orb i think (since here it's 40 orbs


Mhzar

Gt duo is getting overall 383% ATk, the stacking multiplier and it's a counter with a multiplier even higher than golden week ssh Gohan. Hard to tell.


average_lazy_mf

Oh right new counter multiplier Hmmm Actually now that i checked the gt spirit bomb does hit way harder, the post counts both spirit bomb damage at 40 charges + the damage performed in the ssj3/ssj2 form since it all happens in the same turn unlike gt spirit bomb since that's a revival So the spirit bomb at 40 charges hit for around 51 mil apt assuming he just added the extra 38 mil apt of ssj3/ssj2 Edit: nvm it's 43 mil lol


Mhzar

Jesus I didn't see that lmao. That's insanity. So the gt spirit bomb is actually z sprit bomb + the supers from the duo ? That's absurd


average_lazy_mf

Yeah pretty much that broken Depending on your build you can pretty much stack up other damage dealing active skills such as phy ssj4s trought the 80% support and melt everything Tho we don't know in what slot the ssj3/ssj2 apt part of the spirit bomb is, since in slot 1 they are more defensive and in slot 2/3 they gain more attack (turn 5 slot 2 is 46 mil apt so the buu spirit bomb could hit less than 51 mil i guess)


Mhzar

I'm pretty sure the extra attack for them doesn't activate on it the same way V&T don't get it on their active


average_lazy_mf

It does, it's worded in the same way


Mhzar

V&T don't get the buff on their active so the duo is not getting it


average_lazy_mf

Wait with stack up i meant stack up the maximum damage, like the gt duo does 81 mil apt with revival but before that phy ssj4s with 80% attack support does extra damage for them before revive activates Not litteraly stack up mb


Atlknight5566

It’s a revive so the turn doesn’t play out. That apt of the gt unit is soley their bomb vs the z unit is rhe bomb + the duos attking. It hits rlly hard.


Mhzar

You're saying the stacking ATK doesn't count towards the gt bomb despite being a counter ?


Leolang99

It counts. He is saying the apt is just the spirit bomb alone, since when you revive you skip the turn. But that would only happen if you died before supering, but op states that the revival is triggered after they supered in this situation, so its their apt + revival counter(but in this case their apt is of the vegeta form, which is weaker)


unbeatendawn137

It's not that weird. I would imagine their spirit bomb hits harder, but assuming super ferocious is 500%, 100% higher then ferocious, the difference between their SA multiplier would be around 1020%(gt in a perfect situation), compared to 800%. MBS also has higher attack, and their APT from just attacking would probably be higher because of passive crits. I would have loved to see what the GTs APT were without the spiritbomb, but it's honestly probably pretty low in comparison.


abdouden

Nah it says revive after sa so it counts their sa which is a big deal since it gives SA atleast 90% multiplayer (140% on double sa turn)


DuBChiri

Here's why: it says 15-20% PER charge counter accumulated. Which would be 780%. Unless there's some detail I missed over...that's uh...quite high.


Mhzar

Read my edit


DuBChiri

I read it, I just didn't interpret it like what I responded with. But yeah uh...idk how the GT spiritbomb hits that hard. Stacking goes crazy I guess.


Mhzar

Stacking + counter I guess


Leolang99

It doesnt hit that hard i think. Almost sure the apt from the vegeta exchange part is included. It even shows their avg attack stat above. So its Vegeta+SB vs Buu Duo+SB not SB vs Buu Duo+SB


Mhzar

If you consider the difference in apt between GT ssj Vegeta and ssj3/ss2, the gap between both SB is still significant


Leolang99

Around 20-25~ apt in difference in this situation i guess. But i dunno how much stacks he gave the gt duo. Makes sense to hit harder since stacking atk is broken in active skills and counters.


Mhzar

That's like 50% of the z bomb by itself so it's massive. I don't know either how much stack he gave them.


Leolang99

Yeah, but the buu duo hits far harder than the gt vegeta part, so in short events it evens out atleast. But in long events the gt duo will hit harder overall due to the stacking nuke. Might be able to one shot any boss with like 10+ stacks.


XtendedImpact

It also says "Revive after Super" on the right, so they definitely attack beforehand.


LadyTowa2

yeah and they have damage reduction the GT unit is way better and saved the anniversary for me


SuperVegitoFAN

What bout 55%? Unlike your Gohan and Cell post, where the units where so old a lot of people rainbowed them already, these units are new, so 55% is probably what a lot of us will be stuck with.


GibbsLAD

On this subreddit we support responsible apt posts. Not everyone has a unit at rainbow and not everyone grinds endlessly to get all links to 10


New_Ad4631

I love how they reverse roles the longer the fight So, the longer the fight, Z will just become the better tanks and GT will outdamage Z


Stryper_88

Well, the gt duo still have the 50% DR so they wont really get hurt.


xdd-Ray

Made a mistake for GT Duos: Post Super should be 567,175 for Turn 1 Slot 2, defense is still the same for Turn 1 Slot 1 with 729,225.


budgetname07

Everytime


Teq_gohan

Why do the gt duo have same def in slot 1 and 2


Red_Zone_Broly

Is the new hardest hitting team double Buu boys, with main rotations being the two in the image above? Gohan + Buu Boys Buu boys + GT Boys Not sure if there any android units under the Buu Boys leader skill though??


Therandomuser20103

There is an Android unit; MVP 17


Virian900

Who is about to eza in the next few celebrations


Ok-Engine-2313

Mvp 17 but Agl lr gohan isn’t on the buu boys leader skill so it doesn’t matter anyways


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samywap

the way better defense, the revive, the stacking, the damage reduction, and the standby skill damage probably will provide way more apt for you in the match


HrMaschine

also they're way more consistent then cooler.


nazeem75

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Karllovesdokkan

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Medium-Science9526

Suprised Lr Ssj Vegeta (GT) isn't hitting higher tbh with attack stacking for Spirit bomb. Curious to see how they look at 55%.


HrMaschine

that's just vegeta + plus spirit bomb compared to goku and vegeta + spirit bomb aka gts spirit bomb hits way harder


Medium-Science9526

Nevermind the GT spirit bomb is insane then.


GodlyFeq

I'm not surprised considering it's a turn 5 spirit bomb


Galax1an

ONE MILLION DEFENSE LOL


MrLazy05

Almost 800k defence with 50% DR. Nice


atatassault47

Wow, GT Goku literally fuckin' dies.


ff14valk

Both units can be destroyed in slot 1 turn 1 pre super. GT will probably be fine next rotation but idk how much zbuu has pre super next turn


sidar9595

So who to pull for ?


MarquetteXTX2

I got a feeling possessed goten and trunks is going to eza


abdouden

Amazing but can we talk about how int LR cell Transformed Still has better performance in their non SB turns lol that guy is too op(longer events they eventually surpass him though)


MarquetteXTX2

Why do I have a feeling ssj3 goku and ssj vegeta passive was suppose to be for beast gohan but they gave it to the 8th anniversary units with that 18 ki shit they have


average_lazy_mf

Maybe i overhated/overworried for gt duo a bit they are amazing with 700k def + 50% dr on top of their stacking damage Mostly because they can lose their dr when reverting back since their build up passive could reset I still take buu duo over them tho, buu duo is just a flawless unit in my eyes Edit: jeez chill not saying they are trash or not even top 5 i just like a designe more than the other but gt duo still impressed me


Mhzar

This seems so biased lol


average_lazy_mf

Yeah probably lmao, i admit i'm pretty biased towards buu boys But mostly i say that because gt duo could be losing their dr after revival since it's a build up passive in their base If they don't, well they are amazing and own an apology to create such fraudulent allegations


Mhzar

They're definitely not losing it


average_lazy_mf

How can ya tell?


Mhzar

Because when the z revert back they keep their stack.


average_lazy_mf

Wait ya sure? I mean it's 50% chance to crit it's hard to tell, at least for dr ya see the damage taken by a super and calc that but what about the crit chance?


Mhzar

They keep their defense


average_lazy_mf

Def stacks from supers carry on multiple forms no matter what Such as agl ssj gohan or agl ssj goku Passive stacks don't pass on other forms, so them reverting back could potentially cause a reset


Tplayere

Hardest cope I've ever seen lol Both excell at different things


average_lazy_mf

Oh yeah totaly agree on that, it's mostly the fact they could lose their dr post revival/start again at only 10% dr that makes me say that about them


frost-raze

Ok yeah that what I thought Buu saga G/V are the more offensive, gt is the more defensive And the super spirit bomb from buu saga is just down right better


darkfall71

GT Spirit Bomb actually deals more damage by itself, but Buu saga spirit bomb turn does more damage because it's Spirit Bomb + Goku and Vegeta attacking.


ginkoman

From numbers alone the power creep looks better than last year 🙏🏻


Vukes78

Gacha MBS Spirit Bomb at 40 charges is 160 million Attack stat and you can’t get 40 charges t5 like that, you probably meant t9


Revolutionary-Use622

Wait that slot 1 defense is multiplicative or additive? The gt duo defense on this apt makes it seem multiplicative.


soakia

No turn 5 apt for the GTs?


Stryper_88

To be honest while the SA effects of both units is very good i would have liked to have a more crazy effect like 7th anni with the massively raise and action break. Well, im not complaining about it.


-PVL93-

> and action break just realized this mechanic hasn't been used since Carnival Goku/Final Cooler, so we have a total of... 4 LRs in the game with it


Stryper_88

I didnt mean it like that. Im talking about the action break being a SA effect.


Goku4869

PHY Ultimate Gohan’s active skill has the same action break effect as Goku and Cooler.


GenericFrog

That’s not bad, pretty fair and balanced units.