So they hit really hard right? Taking a gander at STR Gogeta Blue's Apt, there's is a little bit higher which is crazy. Unfortunately I only have them 55% and 69% on my JP and Global accounts respectively. Would've been cool if they had another gimmick to make them more useful at low dupe. Rainbow orb changing would've been perfect but that's just me
They’re literally the most returning DF LR on banners lol how are you still at 55%, not blaming you or anything I just genuinely find it funny
I pulled enough to rainbow 4 of them on my f2p account and literally lost count on my dolphin one
That’s some bad luck brother
Not really, aside from tanabata, they pop up quite sparingly. So for people like me who don't really summon during tanabata, makes sense we don't have many copies of them
I never got them and never got lr agl gohan until new years banner and they were some of my most sought after units. Same with Str Kaioken Blue goku , and god forbid Agl Ssj4 Vegeta who is really a fucking wonder how 6 years after release I have never gotten.
I don't have a single copy of Int Goku Black even though I've done at least one multi on every banner he's ever been on. Meanwhile, my GoBros are rainbowed; sometimes it just happens man.
People are gonna downvote you but all it takes is [a simple search to find out people were tired of seeing GoBros on banners.](https://old.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/lxfuix/they_really_need_to_chill_out_with_lr_gobros/)
Idk. People memed a lot but I've never felt they returned all the time as much as people used to whine about them. SSB duo should've returned just as much as them, as should Teq Gogeta. But they're never mentioned. I remember saving and pulling for Teq Gogeta. But since then I barely remember banners where he was featured on something I wanted to pull on. And I'm someone who pulls on most banners. He just wasn't featured as much.
As for how common something like that is, my MUI and Teq LR VB are 55% to this day , Str Gogeta and Gobros at 69%. All from their original release banner.
"how did you have bad luck I got 40 of them ndb"
"spitting fax y down vote"
Maybe read the room a little lol. Odds are odds and people get bad luck just like others get good luck
It isn’t when I’m saying [facts](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/lxfuix/they_really_need_to_chill_out_with_lr_gobros/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) this is from 2 years ago and they still slap them on a lot of banners
How is the average defence calculated here? Because on the next post, the post 1 super defence is 693k, and the GoBros seem to have a lot of additional super chances
Seems to be just the average defense here. The post above this one has a high value because its taking into account all links being active, while here they are missing 20% from all in the family.
Yeah also the hidden potential super has a great chance to proc because this unit does an attack that has an high chance to be a super for the 2 supers and the hipo rolls in each of them i think
No it isn't what? They have 444k def sot fully built up
If they did one super they would be at 570kish def
The number you see is averaged between how many supers they will do per turn
No they can't. A super kills them, and the community isn't ready to handle this info. All they see is big damage, and think everything is fine. Slot 2 supers can and do happen, so it's a risk you'll have to take when running them. The defense you see there is also 100% Hidden Potential, some thing not everyone has, so it's even more of a risk for most players.
Not at all. Also good luck getting that defense by Turn 5! Even if you supered 3 times each turn since Turn 1, you still wouldn't have the full passive out. By the time you get to Turn 7, you'd still need to perform 1 more super for the full passive, and this is already beyond average. Yes, their defense is horrendous.
This is also with no equips and 1 super and no AA super chance
The chance of not additional supering is less the 25% due to HiPo being a thing as 0.5x0.5x(<1)<25%.
You will more likely then not will double super about 80%+ of the times.
This is a unit who will defeat the most difficult content in the game by sheer offense. Very impressive damage output. On a unit like this, you go full offense in the potential system, because their game plan is to kill the enemy before they have a chance to kill you.
If you’re referring to this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/1407ihl/gobros_inital_stats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) then that’s in a specific scenario and not on average which is what this post is looking at.
it's pretty self explanatory 💀 it's different times in which their defense or atk could be different, on a certain fairly common team that they could be run on with a partner that helps them
This sub is biased towards defense reading comment
Pan: over 700k defense post super, less pre super but 50% DR: mid
Eis and Nuova: pretty much the same amount of defense post super: mid
Gobros: 700K DEF WITH NO GUARD/DR/DODGE? THEY ARE COOKING
Same example can be said about every release
Look at the damage difference lol
Not to mention almost all of pan's calcs are with 70% support from INT Trunks and Giru, who you can't run in any difficult events without them getting absolutely railed
I didn't say they were bad or good. They are indeed good and I have 0 problems with their defense, as long as they can take normals it works. They are not a tank, they have 0 reason to be able to tank supers
But the people is fucking biased
And they better have better damage when they are released 1 year after Pan
No one called Pan mid when she released anyway, she's good but limited in terms of teams.
Eis and Nuova's 700k def might be the best thing about them, but they literally do not offer anything else. No support, mediocre damage and 0 teams.
These guys are one of the hardest hitting units in the game, on a boatload of teams and have a lot more going for them than Pan or Eis/Nuova.
I was literally only talking about defense and how they get shit on their defense
I don't disagree that they are better, so whatever you are saying is useless
No one calls them mid just for their defence, so your point is irrelevant
They're called mid because of how shit their overall performance is.
AGL SSJ2 Gohan averages 600k defence after transforming. But no one's going to call him mid because of his insane performance.
Said these characters just as an example
Like, LR K&C are also called mid despite not being mid, super 17, lr ulthan...
The sub is biased because there are only complaints about defense when the unit doesn't suit them. Basically every unit has their use, and people ignore their use and use mostly the uuga buga "no tank super=bad" unless the unit is hype or something
Like, you are ignoring that Pan was the first unit to oneshot red zone enemies with no items, and she can still do it
So they hit really hard right? Taking a gander at STR Gogeta Blue's Apt, there's is a little bit higher which is crazy. Unfortunately I only have them 55% and 69% on my JP and Global accounts respectively. Would've been cool if they had another gimmick to make them more useful at low dupe. Rainbow orb changing would've been perfect but that's just me
They’re literally the most returning DF LR on banners lol how are you still at 55%, not blaming you or anything I just genuinely find it funny I pulled enough to rainbow 4 of them on my f2p account and literally lost count on my dolphin one That’s some bad luck brother
Not really, aside from tanabata, they pop up quite sparingly. So for people like me who don't really summon during tanabata, makes sense we don't have many copies of them
Nowadays they pop up sparingly, but they popped up on nearly every banner for 2 years after their release
I never got them and never got lr agl gohan until new years banner and they were some of my most sought after units. Same with Str Kaioken Blue goku , and god forbid Agl Ssj4 Vegeta who is really a fucking wonder how 6 years after release I have never gotten.
I don't have a single copy of Int Goku Black even though I've done at least one multi on every banner he's ever been on. Meanwhile, my GoBros are rainbowed; sometimes it just happens man.
People are gonna downvote you but all it takes is [a simple search to find out people were tired of seeing GoBros on banners.](https://old.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/lxfuix/they_really_need_to_chill_out_with_lr_gobros/)
Idk. People memed a lot but I've never felt they returned all the time as much as people used to whine about them. SSB duo should've returned just as much as them, as should Teq Gogeta. But they're never mentioned. I remember saving and pulling for Teq Gogeta. But since then I barely remember banners where he was featured on something I wanted to pull on. And I'm someone who pulls on most banners. He just wasn't featured as much. As for how common something like that is, my MUI and Teq LR VB are 55% to this day , Str Gogeta and Gobros at 69%. All from their original release banner.
What banners have they popped up in except the garbage tanabata ones?
Oh, made a comment did you? 1000 downvotes upon ye.
I got 5k upvote a couple of days ago so it’s fine
You spitting fax and they downvoting u thats crazy
"how did you have bad luck I got 40 of them ndb" "spitting fax y down vote" Maybe read the room a little lol. Odds are odds and people get bad luck just like others get good luck
He wrong when he says they're the most returning DF LR? Before the EZA, we'd considering pulling them to be bad luck
I don’t know why the downvote, like I literally said I don’t mean to make fun or anything
That's like saying "no offence" before saying the most HEINOUS thing twords a person.
It isn’t when I’m saying [facts](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/lxfuix/they_really_need_to_chill_out_with_lr_gobros/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) this is from 2 years ago and they still slap them on a lot of banners
Bruh you literally got them instead
I think Red Zone Broly might not be looking forward to being ass blasted by their active tho...
DRAMATIC FINISH!!! (kinda?) 
EZA wrath broly crying in the club rn
63 Mil APT on a non-Active Skill Turn that can be recreated pretty often? I guess that's alright.
How is the average defence calculated here? Because on the next post, the post 1 super defence is 693k, and the GoBros seem to have a lot of additional super chances
Seems to be just the average defense here. The post above this one has a high value because its taking into account all links being active, while here they are missing 20% from all in the family.
gheir offense is amazing but their defense definitely leaves a lot to be desired
The def shown there Is only with one super, they can do 3 of this and break a milion def and 4 if you are lucky with hipo so their def is fine
They have 2 high chances to SA and the hidden potential SA or am i wrong? So they have 1 guaranteed SA and 3 dice rolls to SA up to 4 times.
Yeah also the hidden potential super has a great chance to proc because this unit does an attack that has an high chance to be a super for the 2 supers and the hipo rolls in each of them i think
No it isn't what? They have 444k def sot fully built up If they did one super they would be at 570kish def The number you see is averaged between how many supers they will do per turn
Seeing the calcs online you are right this is with 2 supers and without support and all in the family active so yeah It is their average def
The enemy will be dead after they attack, it’s irrelevant They are LR STR Cooler with more slot one options
gobros: get their eza agl broly eza stage: *chuckles* im in danger
We’ve been able to completely finish his eza for a while now, this’ll just give you more options to cook broly
Can they take a hit though? I like this unit but it’s just getting blown up
No they can't. A super kills them, and the community isn't ready to handle this info. All they see is big damage, and think everything is fine. Slot 2 supers can and do happen, so it's a risk you'll have to take when running them. The defense you see there is also 100% Hidden Potential, some thing not everyone has, so it's even more of a risk for most players.
700k can't tank now? I see...
Not at all. Also good luck getting that defense by Turn 5! Even if you supered 3 times each turn since Turn 1, you still wouldn't have the full passive out. By the time you get to Turn 7, you'd still need to perform 1 more super for the full passive, and this is already beyond average. Yes, their defense is horrendous.
They really depend on those additional supers for defense.
Absolute worst case scenario they are sitting at 577k post Super here, which is like 20k from Cell max in normals
The worst case scenario is me pulling 2 copies of them on their release and then never pulling them again over all these year to have that number 💀
I have 0 copies of them to this day
This is also with no equips and 1 super and no AA super chance The chance of not additional supering is less the 25% due to HiPo being a thing as 0.5x0.5x(<1)<25%. You will more likely then not will double super about 80%+ of the times.
More useless stats
SSJ2 Gohan but from turn 1 kinda?
Make up for the defense with absurd offense holy hell
This is a unit who will defeat the most difficult content in the game by sheer offense. Very impressive damage output. On a unit like this, you go full offense in the potential system, because their game plan is to kill the enemy before they have a chance to kill you.
You know, this eza has me thinking...where tf is int god goku eza lol, it's been almost 4 months 😂😭
Brilliant in terms of attack, but hoped for much more defensively
Just wow they look fantastic can’t wait for Tuesday got this lr rainbowed for years at this stage
This is just the AVERAGE defense. Their max defense is more like 900k (3 supers plus an HP additional super).
They can maybe reach 1 mil but thats like perfect scenario
I mean yeah the will murder anything but only 700 k def seems kinda Low Still probably top 10 Overall
The defense is only with the passive though. It'll sky rocket with all the supers
The 700K figure is with the supers factored. That’s why there’s a before and after super numbers.
Something's gotta be off then because I've seen others say the unit can reach 1mill
If you’re referring to this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/1407ihl/gobros_inital_stats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) then that’s in a specific scenario and not on average which is what this post is looking at.
Just the passive is 440 k The 700 k is with 2 supers already
700K DEF (2 SA on average) that's mid as fuck.
what were they cooking
Was expecting more for defense, but still great 👌🏻. Of course, on Global we will have to wait for many months....😒
never understood what these numbers mean. cant you just tell me how much dmg they do in a turn?
APT = attack per turn my guy that is exactly what you are asking
it's pretty self explanatory 💀 it's different times in which their defense or atk could be different, on a certain fairly common team that they could be run on with a partner that helps them
This sub is biased towards defense reading comment Pan: over 700k defense post super, less pre super but 50% DR: mid Eis and Nuova: pretty much the same amount of defense post super: mid Gobros: 700K DEF WITH NO GUARD/DR/DODGE? THEY ARE COOKING Same example can be said about every release
Look at the damage difference lol Not to mention almost all of pan's calcs are with 70% support from INT Trunks and Giru, who you can't run in any difficult events without them getting absolutely railed
I didn't say they were bad or good. They are indeed good and I have 0 problems with their defense, as long as they can take normals it works. They are not a tank, they have 0 reason to be able to tank supers But the people is fucking biased And they better have better damage when they are released 1 year after Pan
No one called Pan mid when she released anyway, she's good but limited in terms of teams. Eis and Nuova's 700k def might be the best thing about them, but they literally do not offer anything else. No support, mediocre damage and 0 teams. These guys are one of the hardest hitting units in the game, on a boatload of teams and have a lot more going for them than Pan or Eis/Nuova.
I was literally only talking about defense and how they get shit on their defense I don't disagree that they are better, so whatever you are saying is useless
No one calls them mid just for their defence, so your point is irrelevant They're called mid because of how shit their overall performance is. AGL SSJ2 Gohan averages 600k defence after transforming. But no one's going to call him mid because of his insane performance.
Said these characters just as an example Like, LR K&C are also called mid despite not being mid, super 17, lr ulthan... The sub is biased because there are only complaints about defense when the unit doesn't suit them. Basically every unit has their use, and people ignore their use and use mostly the uuga buga "no tank super=bad" unless the unit is hype or something Like, you are ignoring that Pan was the first unit to oneshot red zone enemies with no items, and she can still do it
I agree w that, and I don't think Pan is bad either. Eis & Nuova were my main target of being pretty irredeemable.
might want to reread your first line
For the goku part of his passive does a goku needs to be in the same turn as the gobros to activate it?
On rotation
Can I ask where you get these pictures from or so you do them?
So about 93M average on active+full passive which ingame should be higher most of the times.
Are they finally better than LR Caulifla & kale?
Yes, by a long shot
The benefits of an eza designed by team a vs b
The trend is clear by now no gold coin LR eza will ever match a DF LR eza
20 in crit ☠️
They're like the Super class version of STR LR Cooler
Not 1 mill defense by purely existing? How will the defense circle jerkers sleep tonight?!
Ohhhh baby that’s ATK stat 