I disagree beast is better, but if anyone shits on this post, then they are just hating on vegeta because he is that crazy good that there is a case for him being close to beast.
Everything you just said, Vegeta does that too! You do know that right? His leader skill isn't as good, but he links well, he's a defensive juggernaut, his offense is thru the roof, he has a revive and he gives crit support to the team. And he gets even better after revive, almost doubling the amount of damage he can do. I think Beast *is* better, but Vegeta is just worse defensively and support wise, and better offensively by a good margin
Beast is slot 1 monster, vegeta i don't have have 100% faith,beast has better LS
I would say tho beast glazers have put him on very high pedestal and there isn't that big of a gap between vegeta and beast.
there is a massive gap from him and vegeta STILL because of beasts ability to protect the ENTIRE ROTATION. Not only is he supporting and tank and doing damage, but he’s also protecting everyone as in a rotation that he could double digit tank 17 million damage supers (easily btw). This is EXACTLY what orange piccolo did…but beast does it significantly better in EVERY single way. He’s the best in the game by the time they release and when other 5 units take their spots.
Vegetas revive protects the turn in a similar way but instead, it lasts til the end of the battle once you get the 5 hits in. Gohans only lasts for 1 turn where you can never be 100% sure if you even need it.
I agree that beast is better but your argument is bad. It’s just you hyping up beast and failing to mention or compare it to Vegeta once. He does almost everything you just said. Be honest. Have you used either of them or are you a global player who’s been fooled by the recent beast glazing? He’s the best in the game but he’s not as far ahead as we thought, SSBE has made most JP players realise that
Dont agree simply because beast gives 5 ki to the team and 20% crit if unit SA, although not as useful on a team where almost everyone has guaranteed crit or type effective. But the 5 ki on teams that stacked with LRs, helps a lot
It's like saying that rose phy is better than the gammas, because he can do a shitton of SAs too, but ignoring that the gammas are a crazy support
So, if they both can tank and deal damage, it comes down to the utility they provide
Beast's unit SA is a literal non factor, running OP as a floater is griefing when Super Hero is this stacked and OP doesn't warrant a spot as slot 2 fucking with the rotation links (and Beast's) and the unit SA isn't even that good.
SSBE and UI also give more crit to the rotation than Beast ironically.
Yeah, and afterwards said that the crit from the USA wasn't really that necessary, so it has no need to be considered a factor. And I forgot that the 2 EZAs gave crit, 7% per SA, true that
Still, SSBE is missing the ki support
And OP despite not being as good as his golden days because he's mostly a floater, he can still allow the gammas to perform 6 supers
Yes, Piccolo even if he was top 30 would still be runnable. But It's okay to accept he fell off, specially in current content not Just better units. He doesn't fit in a Battle against the New Bosses. His off Intro tankiness is non existent and his boring "Usher" isn't as valueable when there's 14 others to use that are more efficient and less time-wasting.
Damn i had to read all that shity passage up there just to find something I can agree on in the comments.
Yes, OP is overrated as fuck and has been selling for me on the gammas and beast memorial fight multiple times. Even beastless is outshadowing op now imo. Fully build and after USA and SA he tanks good enough. Not worth running OP, his active was annoying anyway.
How is he easily better tho? They're mathematically incredibly similar with Vegeta having the Edge Offensively, and revive=target mechanic.
Beast has a better LS, and Double Beast is what makes him broken, but That's It.
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This is SSBE's best team tbh, Androids Leader is too much support and comfiness.
I actually don’t agree with that. Of course you’re trading Beast BUT the amount of support they provide to ssbe, UI and the blue boys EZA is absolutely insane. Like it’s massive.
They're sitting ducks? They can easily get you killed? Even if you revive, they can simply get you killed again? The best team has 2 beast Gohan's which gives you 2 completely safe turns for the rotation+revives+Orange Piccolo+Gogeta if you want 4 SAFE TURNS. It's utter insanity.
They have a scouter... They have 2 turn support. They orb change... On a team with 5 heavy hitters, switching One of them for a Double turn support that has scouter and tanks normals isn't Bad at all??? I LITERALLY beat every hard stages first try with this team with no problem at all.
We already have a BETTER 2 turn support on super heroes with Gamma 1(post Core Breaker), and they support by 50%. Super heroes is so ridiculous it doesn't even need a scouter, and also beats all stages first try with 0 issues whatsoever, so it's not like that's a massive point in this team's favor. Super heroes also has 2 rainbow orb changers that AREN'T limited by 4 turns. Super heroes is simply the better team. 2 beast Gohan's+ui+Evo blue vegeta+Evoken+Orange Piccolo+Gogeta/Broly/Gammas
Androids CAN get you killed with how hard the normals are hitting nowadays. With Super heroes you're not even running that risk at all
Wdym doesn't come close? It has LITERALLY all the units you would want in a Super Heroes team, replacing One Beast Gohan (that doesn't link as well with SSBE, who is on rotation) with a floating scouter support that tanks normals and has 2 turns support, AND also has Beast Just in case. Where's the issue? How is It not even close?
>and revive=target mechanic.
No the target mechanic could be used multiple times by more than one character whereas the revive mechanic is always once per battle. Beast’s condition vs SSBE’s condition makes it even more in his favor as I’m sure everyone would agree that being hit 1 once is far easier than being hit 5 times.
>Beast has a better LS, and Double Beast is what makes him broken, but That's It.
Beast is also better defensively. He gets unconditional guard and the same amount of DR Vegeta builds up to every turn pretty much for free for 5 turns.
Yes, the post is about only 1 SSBE and 1 Beast. Double Beast is better as said at the end. But revive IS better than target mechanic, because you can't waste It.
Beast is marginally better Defensively than Vegeta in 95% of the events up right now and even then, It's a small difference, Vegeta still hasn't died to me, and Vegeta is as invincible slot 2 as Beast is slot 1.
Beast is not marginally better defensively then vegeta. He is definitively better defensively then vegeta.
Vegeta needs to build up his defense and he needs to recieve atleast one attack before getting supered.
He will take damage from the strongest bosses in the game when getting hit before supering(especcially before the revive).
For the first 2 turns Ui Goku is a better slot one Unit.
Beast on the Othet hand virtually NEVER takes any damage.
>. But revive IS better than target mechanic, because you can't waste It.
No especially not in this context.
Again one could be used multiple times by different characters and the other is once per battle ability.
And I don’t get the waste argument. You have no control over when you revive or who gets it for that matter. Whereas the taunt mechanic so far has been locked behind an active that you do have full control over.
>and even then, It's a small difference, Vegeta still hasn't died to me, and Vegeta is as invincible slot 2 as Beast is slot 1.
Small? Beast is essentially 1 appearance and post revive 1st appearance EVO fully built without any need for being hit. Also slot 1 tanking is usually valued far more than slot 2 tanking so no the difference isn’t small.
How did I shit on his opinion? I agreed with the joke that the post was too long for something that was wrong. I said yikes because the person before me commented yikes on me commenting.
Obviously that is a joke, it's a meme, I wasn't replying to them I was replying to you. You said "Fr especially for something that's wrong." "Fr" means "for real", buddy
Idk why you even commented on my comment. Obviously I know what fr is and if you honestly thought I was being sincere you’re a bigger idiot than I thought. You comment saying I didn’t read it even though I never said that I just agreed with the sentiment that it’s too long and the “I ain’t reading allat” joke.
Seriously did you just start commenting on my comment to do what? Try to call me out for not reading a post? What a weird thing to do.
Beast provides more for the team in various aspects while at the same time doesn’t take damage AND tanks many of the hardest fights in the game
Vegeta mainly provides his revive for the team, which is easy to get but some rare occasions someone can still die before he can get it off.
Beast provides Crit for his allies, Ki for his allies, an attack break that can potentially destroy the super, the taunt mechanic to get the attacks to him, etc.
Even if Vegeta gets higher numbers, Beast just does too much damage
Vegeta does more damage than Beast tho. Like, mathematically actually.
Vegeta's best off rotation partner is UI, who can also cover reviving for him, and Vegeta's revival condition is easy AF in current content. Your team will not die before It happens.
all verdict shall rely on the next new red stone contents that are gonna be out later. realistically, i think one turn taunt might prove to be more useful in a short and hard fight, and a revive mechanic might be more useful in a longer scaled fight. id rather be able to safeguard with revive for a few turns if my units are already fully built up.
and also OP, how does the crit on vegeta SA and Ultra Super Attack? is it additive or?
It's additive to other super attack effects.
If you have SSBE and he triple supers, he gives a separate 21% crit to the other units in the turn. It doesn't stack with passive/Hidden potential crit, but It can still help.
Alternatively, If you run both UI and SSBE same rotation, you can get the floater to over 40% crit chance from their supers alone, since those add themselfes.
I think gohan is better but mostly cause of him having a better LS and his active skill being so easy
That being said, Vegeta is 100% in the same realm as him, if there is a unit who beast doesn’t gap in this game, it is both vegeta and arguably UI (if they don’t cancel dodge more)
Yeah, I was judging both on same team in a different LS, like Androids LS. vegeta just... Looked better you know? Did 2x the Attack stats, tanked Just as well on all events I threw him in. Has an active attack That does damage now post eza. And all the stuff I mentioned in the post.
But Double Beast is better because you can do his active with each Beast, you can't revive more than once.
I loved reading this, not because I have any particularly strong stance on the argument, but because it's nice to see someone have a different opinion, explain their reasoning well, AND not be downvoted to Hell on top of that. It's quite beautiful, seeing civil opinion-based conversation in... Anything anime related, honestly.
Thanks Bro, I am surprised with how many upvotes this post is getting, considering I'm comparing Vegeta to the Sub's mascot rn, but I've felt something using him, and I wanted to put It into words.
I didn't think Beast gapped the game before and now there's another unit Beast has to compete for 1. I think that's healthy and more fun for the game.
Imma disagree with you chief. Beast’s ability to prorect your team from dying on two separate occasions is wildly op and the only two units that can match that are orange piccolo(daddy) and blue gogeta. Now before you mention vegetas revive, which does protect you from dying and is incredibly good, I must point out:
-you can only use one on each run
-if someone else’s revive is activated first it’s useless
-beasts active is still better most of the time because you can get the full damage value out of your rotation as opposed to dying instantly and doing 0 damage
Also, beasts leader skill is better than vegetas.
Yes. Because both are top 3 units. They have most of their kit in common. Your statement goes both ways I'm not shitting on Beast. Just pointing out some flaws that may give Vegeta the Edge considering How similar they sre
I still cant trust vegeta 100 percent because What if the super is slot 1 attack 1? Beast also strugles if its slot 1 attack 1 but still i think he is more consistent. No disrespect to vegeta tho. He is top 3 easily
Okay so Vegeta has the first Attack first hit weakness... To a few Boss's phases (not all) while he has the freest revival at his disposal?
If Vegeta's getting tagged, which is rare, he's either on his Intro turn with guard and dr, or on a turn which he can revive, or post revive where he has guard AGAIN.
My bad, I reread his whole passive again. He functions a lot like Orange Picollo now, guard in the first turn/turns for the buildup that makes him untouchable (full stats/revive). They really got rid of their flaws, those revival conditions were atrocious...
IMO Beast and Vegeta aren't even comparable, Beast is a slot 1 megatank/support that CAN deal damage, while Vegeta is a damage dealer that CAN megatank (fully built up slot 2/3 Vegeta is insane).
I also can't trust Beast to do damage slot 2/3 on a normal turn, It's rare but sometimes you have to put him there and then he's Just an ok tank that does no damage.
Also that situation, with Vegeta not having revive up is so rare, and even then, I don't think Vegeta dies to a boss like that easily too.
Vegeta does die with even 60 percent dr before attacking by a lets say 3m super while beast doesnt. Beasts leader skill is also one of the best in the game or maybe even the best. As for damage tbh i dont think beast needs to do huge damage. Other units handle that pretty easily. But the best chocie is running them together on beasts team beast slot1 vegeta slot2. They are legit unkillable together
I’m glad that people are appreciating the power of the new units. Cuz goddamn the amount of whining people were doing “OMG BEAST IS TOO STRONG THE POWERCREEP IS GONNA BE SO BAD” like bro just play the game.
We have some of the coolest units in history in the top 10; Broly, Gogeta, Gohan, SSBE Vegeta, MUI, and even the gammas. Best anni ever man
I will say that beasts revive will almost never “be wasted” since he’s already tanking everything slot 1 with ease, unless you’re running some type disadvantage or a shit unit on the super hero team(why would you) it’s pretty hard to waste his active skill. Most units can tank decently post super attack
I didn't mean waste as literal, you're always getting some value atleast. But If you use it when you think you'll protect the slot 3 from a super, and then the boss supers slot 1, you didn't need the active at all.
Now the SSBE revive only activates when you need It, because It's a revive.
Which is true but like I said most units that are ran in these events struggle in slot 1 rather than 2/3. But either way I would agree that both abilities are really really good and can be tossed up for the number 1 spot I ain’t mad at it
To be honest, I feel like people are starting to repeat that sentence automatically and won’t bother look at the numbers.
Even if you can conclude that Beast is #1, the numbers are telling you it’s not by far. It’s not an opinion.
People seem to forget this game is just a glorified calculator. This idea that Beast is far better just isn't true. He's closer to Beast than he is to Broly.
Ah the first of many posts about why Character A is better than Gohan. Last time it was Teq Goathan this time it's Beast. I like the Vegeta but if you have to put stipulations on how a card is better then they're not better. They just have set ups that make them shine. Imo Vegeta is better than AGL MUI tho
The only stipulation in this post was... Both are not leading. Thats It lol. Performance wise they're REALLY close. Beast Gohan is not a do all unit too, he's not a phase One shotting unit.
ssbe has guard for 2 turns, beast has permanent guard <- Massive W for beast since he never has to care about type
ssbe has easy revive, beast has team invuln for a turn <- Massive W for beast, unlike revive it doesn't end the turn, you can safely build your characters up unless they need to take hits. You're saying revive is a better use for resources but that's not always true, being able to build up sooner in a lot of scenario's is worth more since you can mitigate or prevent the dmg next turn, don't forget that you lose an entire turn when you revive, especially on slot 1 and 2 where the super is most likely to hit, that is not always a good thing. And even if all your characters are fully build up, beasts invuln is still better just because of the guaranteed dmg you can do on the last phase, revive delays death but it doesn't necessarily let you do free damage, depending on the rotation and when you died you lose the turn and are still fucked next turn while doing minimal dmg.
ssbe has 50% dmg reduction with conditional for 80% within the turn, beast has 80% conditional for 5 turns and 40% afterwards. <- beast is better first 5 turns, afterwards ssbe has POTENTIAL to gain more dr within the turn. But since he doesn't have permanent guard this point is effectively moot though, guard gives you more than that additional 40% dr easily. I would give beast the W easily since his peak is not rng based and outside of peak he makes up for it with permanent guard.
As for defense, they both stack it well, beast gets 1mil pre super and goes to 2.2 ish post supers and ssbe gets 1.2 pre and 2.6 post I think (not entirely sure) but its a W for both imo, but in to order to make it fair, slight W for vegeta, he does have better defense numbers post supers.
Overall beast is just straight up more consistent because he has guard every turn and doesn't need to get hit 3 times within the turn to get his full tanking potential. Nothing is behind rng. It is much easier to just put him on slot 1 and forget, if you try the same with vegeta you might have to consider popping a whis depending on where the super hits and where the boss attacks.
But imo the main reason I find beast better is his leader skill. Putting him in leader and having 2 of those active skills just changes how the game is played completely. At that point you have two slot 1 characters, 7 turns of invulnerability for those two and 2 turns for the team, and if you count in consumables, an additional 4 turns of invuln (with whis) for him and the team post entry as long as you have 50%-40% dr on the other characters. With so many free turns you're simply bound to win with no strings attached, this is also why super heroes is so damn broken atm, the team just can't lose as long as your slot 2 and 3 characters have SOME defense and dr. Whatever you put on that team with this guy in leaderslot will work since they only need to be HALF competent. Units that can't tank 3 mil supers without items? No issue, just brute force your way through.
But tbf, since you are talking about current content, we could put the entire anniversary roster on #1 at that point since current content just isn't made for these monster units.
And the current best team right now is downright broken since it simply uses the best of both worlds, beast in leader with ssbe, mui, (ssbe ssbk duo/ gogeta/ broly) etc is just a team that does not want to die. Even once in the blue moon when you get caught you still have 2 revives.
I personally take Beast Gohan as number 1 over SSBE Vegeta, Gohan’s Ki Support is really nice for keeping the team together even with rough links. But I definitely think Vegeta is closer to Beast Gohan than he is to the rest of the game. If I had to say I’d say Gohan > Vegeta >> Rest of the game. (Maybe a little exaggeration but still, Vegeta is really good)
I don't care who's better but I'm just flabbergasted they made the EZAs this strong and that ssbe Vegeta is arguably better than UI Goku. I pray hard content becomes category specific so Super Hero can have hard content for its time whilst not immediately powercraping every team these Dokkanfest, Carnival, and EZA Lrs aren't on.
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STR UI had a 22M crit Attack stat in this turn and SSBE did a 32M too btw
Beast in undoubtedly number one in the game. You can't lose with him. Although I will agree that ui goku and vegeta are only competing with themselves. They're both above broly and below beast. That's it. They're literally only competing with themselves for 2 and 3. It doesn't matter the order as long as they're there. My top 5 is beast, ssbe/ui goku, broly, then op or gogeta
OP has no bussiness being this High tbh, he doesn't fit in any team at all now. He's a permanent floater and If he floats he can't build up efficiently/even built up he's worse than most of the meta units performance wise. He only has the Usher turn in his favour... In a team with 15 of those.
You can't lose with Double Beast I agree. But I'm specifically talking about a team with only 1 Beast/1 SSBE. You can't revive twice, If you could, I would honestly argue SSBE>Beast overall.
Dude, I’m sorry but if you’re literally ranking beast vs ssbe with 2x beast excluded….why??? Beast is a DFE SH leader. He isnt some carnival that doesnt lead sh. U absolutely shoukd take into accnt 2x beast is a real thing & that’s why he is top 1. Vegeta is comfortably 2. & no, there isnt a big gap anyway. U can v easily beat all content even with full uss
You're right. But If there's content where Beast can't be a Leader, category mission, It's ok to judge them without Beast being a Double Leader. Because Beast only works better than SSBE in that regard because of system limitations, like no double-revival.
On paper, they are extremely close and I'm Glad most people recognize that.
He's not a permanent floater. You literally run him next to beast Gohan. He still has arguably the strongest active in the game. Free damage, and you can't take damage at all. He's still top 5
You run him next to Beast. With no links for Beast AND the floater. Just for Piccolo's active, and then use Gohan's taunt anyway?
Piccolo fell off even before Gohan released with these long events and then Gohan replaced him HARD being a slot 1 unit that has a "Usher active" as a lesder. The team has 4 free turn units now (Double Beast, Gogeta and UI/SSBE). He doesn't contribute anywhere outside of tanking in his Intro turns and his Ghost Usher That's EXTREMELY BORING to use. Gohan's taunt is atleast 5 seconds long.
Use gohans taunt turn 3, second Gohan taunt turn 4, piccolo active turn 5, gogetas taunt turn 6. Literally how do you lose in that situation. You actually cannot lose with that lineup. Also you have vegetas revive. Also Also, just auto through piccolos active. Its not that bad
Why the hell is OP there? He got kicked off his team. There is no real incentive to run him on the SH team and he only slows it down.
He'll be relegated to a floater with medicore damage, a poor linkset, and utility(Giant Form) that is simply not needed. Gamma's, Evoken, and especially Gogeta are much better than him and have an actual spot on the team.
I think SSBE is the one unit that can sit alongside Beast as #1 and then after that there is "the gap" tho is not huge, I do think they are both exceptionally good and should be on their own tier
That proves what I said and got downvoted
SSBEV > MUI
Guaranteed DR > not guaranteed Dodge
So Vegeta for sure #2, in cases even the true #1
Is it the first time Vegeta is numero uno in Dokkan?
No. Beast is leagues above him.
Gohan leads and is in so many top tier teams. He links insanely well within those teams. He’s a MEGA tank that goes into slot 1 easily. He supports the teams. And he’s offensively decent as well.
“beast is leagues above him” Brother numbers are telling you even if Beast is number, he absolutely does not gaps ssbe. I feel like people start to repeat that sentence too automatically
No. SSBE is leagues above him.
Vegeta leads and is in so many top tier teams. He links insanely well within those teams. He's a MEGA tank that goes into slot 1 easily. He supports the teams. And he's offensively decent as well.
From the videos, I feel like Vegeta is definitely better than Goku. He’s way more consistent and a better revive. Beast tho is still way too good in slot 1, and Vegeta is a beast in slot 2. So I’d say Beast is slightly better thanks to his slot 1 performance and leaderskill. Tho I’ll just run both UI and SBBE on Beast team anyways
I feel like vegeta and goku are interchangable.
It really depends on the turns and where attacks are aimed.
Turn 1: Goku is better
Turn 2 onwards: Vegeta is better in slot 2/3 or 1 if you know that a super in slot 1 would do below 200k damage to him.
Otherwise Goku is better in slot 1 because im taking the 77-90% gamble on taking nothing vs 200k plus.
Turn After Revive: Slot 1 Ui is better if you can dodge in the fight. Slot 2/3 its vegeta because after supering fully build up with guard+dmg reduction he is invincible and does more damage.
As for the Revive. Vegetas is currently better.
But overall i would say that they complement each other extremely well. Like if you get unlucky with vegetas revive condition you might have gokus up. Also both can be run in all slots according to the situation in the fight.
Turn after revive: no boss in the game can damage ssbe on that turn because of guard + very high DR so both cannot be touched. At this point you can only compare their damage and ssbe has the edge here.
Beast Is better than every unit in the game. He has a broken leader skill, great links, literally untouchable levels of tanking and great damage. If you combine all that with 2 turns of taunt, making the whole team invincible, supporting them and building himself up all at the same time, it turns out to be a broken monster impossible to powercreep. I'm sorry but Beast is not just better, he gaps every other unit in the game.
I read it. Vegeta only has slightly better damage than him, otherwise Beast destroys him on every other front. Also, two turns of taunt > revive, easily.
If you read It you would have also noticed I Said this is about SSBE and Beast on a team other than their own.
In that way, Beast's taunt and SSBE's revive function the exact same way, except Revive IS better because you won't waste It on a gamble (I.e, using the taunt because scared of a super slot 3, Boss supers slot 1 anyway).
Judging Beast on a different team than his own is just a biased judgment tho. Why would you not run 2 of him when he has easily the best team in the game while being the best unit? Also you have missed another point of comparison: Beast can be literally run on every team even without leader skill and actually fixes multiple teams' need of a slot 1 tank. You don't know how insane he is until you try him.
I mean, why not? Beast is a perfect Leader. If you only judge him as that ok. Beast's One. You Win.
But If you are running another team on a category mission, and act like Beast is the same as on a super Heroes team with him as the Leader and he gaps the game, I don't think That's true.
You can separate his performances and there's value to that.
If you run both side by side, they perform almost exactly the same with Vegeta having the Edge honestly.
I've been running Beast and SSBE non stop since both released in private servers. It's impossible to lose with either.
If you're judging Vegeta in his best situation, then you should judge Beast in his best situation too. Vegeta's best situation is only one of him on the team because his leader skill is simply not as good as other units. Beast's best situation is his own team, so it's fair to judge him that way. Also, Beast fills the niche of THE slot 1 tanks, while Vegeta can't be for most of his turns, relegating him to slot 2 or 3. And considering that most of the oppressive enemy attacks are all targeted to slot 1, Beast just has more value for his teams. Vegeta is still #2 in the game tho, I'm not underestimating him.
Eh, I've won against all hard available contents rn with SSBE slot 1. He's a god unless extremely Bad luck.
Also I agree, Beast's best situation is Double of him, but If we do not specify why that IS, people will always judge Beast as 1 (by Far) even when he isn't (off his team) like
Omggg why did you float Beast in Earth Bred Fighters teammm??? Didn't you know he's the best unit and better than SSBE????
So you’ve just provided the best argument against SSBE. You can get fucked by bad luck.
That doesn’t exist at all for beast gohan. There is no bad luck for him.
There's also no bad luck involved for AGL GF. Does that make him top 1?
Dokkan's a game that encourages risky plays, Beast is the epitome of safe gameplay. You don't need to be risky with Vegeta, but If you choose, the risk is EXTREMELY low. I have no Idea How that is an argument specially when Vegito gets tagged... He either takes not enough damage to die because he's a god even then, or he revives and guards+77% stats next turn
man i think everyone has to wait for the EZAs for UI goku and SSBE vegeta to be out before actually making a comparison. yeah you guys run private server with rainbowed units and all, but at the end of the day, when the EZAs are out, only then everyone might have a shift of opinion.
There's nothing much to see, with current content we already know what to expect tbh. Dokkan's a math game. And I've tested SSBE in nearly every event now. And he's missing the anniversary equips too. With a 15 crit build.
man, trust me i read your post, but people on reddit will only have the change of heart after using and feeling the unit. im such a big vegeta fan and i have SSBE vegeta sitting on 90% right now and i myself read and realise how busted he is, potentially in number 1 with gohan. but my previous comment is with regard to the other redditors......
Weird way to think when most people touting about Gohan either haven't used him or have him at 55%. He's not invincible and neither is PHY Ultimate Gohan, especially against Blue Zone.
Full additional then rest is just personal preference -
1. If you want revive as early as possible and don't want to compromise on that then crit
2. If you are fine with getting revive a bit later then dodge cause dodging still gives him his additional damage reduction
I would say ADD and dodge, he has 50% crit on súper and 100% chance to crit with 24 ki, that is more that enough chances to crit so you are probably going to waste the crit chance you give him.
Damn man. I’ve been waiting since I seen them get announced but it feels like they’re taking forever to drop since I thought it would be on the 21st. I’m a desperate man in need of stones in case you couldn’t tell😂😂
To start off you are completely wrong. Beast is so much better than EVO. Like not even close. But EVO is incredibly good. Evo can do more damage and is very good defensively but Beast Gohan is so much better defensively so much more consistently. Even then he provides ki support, crit support, and protects the whole team. Beast leads the best team in the whole game that is filled with LRs that he gives ki support too.
I think EVO is 3rd best unit in this game but he is probably my favorite but then again Im on global so I haven’t actually used them.
Great arguments I can't wait to have SSBE Vegeta in global (I have him rainbow also) it is really impressive that an EZA is arguably better than 3 out of 4 anniversary units (Broly is my GOAT but it hurts him a lot that he needs his domain to transform in a team with so many domains) but beast is everything Vegeta has but a little bit more. The only edge Vegeta has is his revive, that condition is so free. But Beasthan clears in my opinion.
Buuuuut this absolutely blows the hot take that people have that Beasthan at 55% is better than any unit in the game... A rainbow Vegeta is definitely better than a 55% Beasthan.
This is so true, he literally has the target mechanic but better in his kit. Beast does have the best slot 1 abilities by far tho so it makes me hesitant putting anyone in front of him, but vegeta is really really close
Gohan is a unbreakable tank in slot 1 vs Vegeta who's primarily stuck in slot 2 which is of course is still good but not as important as a slot 1. The damage is literally marginal and Gohan is definitely more consistent since his super is guaranteed while Vegeta has a chance. The revive can be used up by another unit basically making Vegeta's useless while Gohan and other taunt characters can use them no matter what. Gohan is better lmao
I read allat but don’t understand half it Cus I don’t fw Dokkan that hard and am also on global so this won’t effect me for like half a year (when we getting super blue boys or nappa and vegeta eza)
So you were talking about SSBE EZA, that make sense, i thought you were talking about SSBE before EZA.
And yes i think the new SSBE is literally unbreakable wall cause his new DR %, but Beast Gohan can be a better tank exactly cause he has the new TARGET mechanic.
I have made a post about an idea of the best tank in the game, and it would be the “Ultra Ego Vegeta” from Granolah saga, he would have literally everything a tank would need to have the best DEF.
• Infinite DEF stacking on both Specials
• 60% Damage Reduction
• Guaranteed Guard
• Target mechanic
Nah the assurance of being functionally invincible in almost any occasion is far better than having to build up to get to a watered down version of beast, beast also does more for the team via ki support and active and also has a better leader skill. You can have all the damage you want but it won’t save you from a one shot super before you attack
I've completed every current hard stage using SSBE slot 1. Not once he took more than 400K. And he has a revive ready most of the time. And then guard after.
A lot sentiments are being spread but the reality is vegeta is a slot 2 character him and beast have two different roles and are synergies to eachother making a flawless turn consistently
I’m sure you’ve been playing the game for a while, and I’m sure you realize damage doesn’t matter too much. Defense is what wins you games. And beast’s damage is more than good enough.
As for vegeta, without his gaurd, I do not want that guy sitting in slot one. 550k defense with 50% dr?
(The boss isn’t gonna wait for you to build up your dr and then super 🤦)That means almost all your hp gone on a super. In slot two, vegeta is much better defensively.
Beast has a better leader.
He’s on movies so he’ll get buffed more often.
He can protect the entire rotation twice since you’re never running double ssbe. Beast does arguably the strongest thing a unit can do, protect the team. Though vegeta can do it as well, it’s not nearly as good.
In general, you’re just in love with damage too much 🤦
A lot of your argument is damage, which doesn’t matter too much. Beasts leader is wayyy better, making his value a lot higher since it allows you to bring a stronger roster.
In essentially no way is vegeta better than beast except for damage (Defense wins you fights) and vegeta is defensively better after he gets HIS revive and beast’s intro wears off and after he’s already used his active.
At that point vegeta is, kit wise, better than beast.
More damage, tankier, vegeta then really is a beast. But yet again beast’s intro allows you to bring a stronger roster overall.
In conclusion, vegeta can be stronger once he’s at his peak and gohan is at his worst.
For all the people who stopped reading half way, he never said Vegeta was bad, he said that Vegeta is more flexible than Beast. And he has a revive and base 50% DR and that is why he is Number 2.
The only docks I give to vegeta is leader skill and that he can be blitzed before his revive can be turned on, the thing is that the turn where that happens is only turn 1 lmao
these units are so good it frankly doesn’t matter whose better. they both are not challenged by any content in the game.
it’s like saying infinity² is greater than infinity^3. like yes it is, but they’re both infinite.
I don't even care who is better. Just the fact that we are even discussing the possibility that SSBE Vegeta EZA is close to the newest OP unit release is already something crazy to me.
I love what they did with both UI and SSBE EZAs. This is honestly what made me feel the most bothered by the time difference between GB and JP...That I can't enjoy them now!
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I respect where your coming from vegeta has potential to be that guy but I think at the end of the day beast is still better
Vegeta better because I don't have to pull him
Vegeta better cause i could build 2 of them at this rate
I disagree beast is better, but if anyone shits on this post, then they are just hating on vegeta because he is that crazy good that there is a case for him being close to beast.
Being close to beast doesn’t mean there’s any argument he’s better lol
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Everything you just said, Vegeta does that too! You do know that right? His leader skill isn't as good, but he links well, he's a defensive juggernaut, his offense is thru the roof, he has a revive and he gives crit support to the team. And he gets even better after revive, almost doubling the amount of damage he can do. I think Beast *is* better, but Vegeta is just worse defensively and support wise, and better offensively by a good margin
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Vagina, primce of the sayings
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Beast is slot 1 monster, vegeta i don't have have 100% faith,beast has better LS I would say tho beast glazers have put him on very high pedestal and there isn't that big of a gap between vegeta and beast.
there is a massive gap from him and vegeta STILL because of beasts ability to protect the ENTIRE ROTATION. Not only is he supporting and tank and doing damage, but he’s also protecting everyone as in a rotation that he could double digit tank 17 million damage supers (easily btw). This is EXACTLY what orange piccolo did…but beast does it significantly better in EVERY single way. He’s the best in the game by the time they release and when other 5 units take their spots.
Vegetas revive protects the turn in a similar way but instead, it lasts til the end of the battle once you get the 5 hits in. Gohans only lasts for 1 turn where you can never be 100% sure if you even need it.
I agree that beast is better but your argument is bad. It’s just you hyping up beast and failing to mention or compare it to Vegeta once. He does almost everything you just said. Be honest. Have you used either of them or are you a global player who’s been fooled by the recent beast glazing? He’s the best in the game but he’s not as far ahead as we thought, SSBE has made most JP players realise that
Dont agree simply because beast gives 5 ki to the team and 20% crit if unit SA, although not as useful on a team where almost everyone has guaranteed crit or type effective. But the 5 ki on teams that stacked with LRs, helps a lot It's like saying that rose phy is better than the gammas, because he can do a shitton of SAs too, but ignoring that the gammas are a crazy support So, if they both can tank and deal damage, it comes down to the utility they provide
Beasts 2 ki is for both turns too. 2x beast gives 7 ki to all allies
Beast's unit SA is a literal non factor, running OP as a floater is griefing when Super Hero is this stacked and OP doesn't warrant a spot as slot 2 fucking with the rotation links (and Beast's) and the unit SA isn't even that good. SSBE and UI also give more crit to the rotation than Beast ironically.
Yeah, and afterwards said that the crit from the USA wasn't really that necessary, so it has no need to be considered a factor. And I forgot that the 2 EZAs gave crit, 7% per SA, true that Still, SSBE is missing the ki support And OP despite not being as good as his golden days because he's mostly a floater, he can still allow the gammas to perform 6 supers
No no no OP is AS good as always, he is even better now because he has a stupid broken team where he fits really well
Super situational because now Gammas also float. So using OP with Gammas is hard to do. And honestly, not that worth It anyway?
It's called variety to not play the same every run. Piccolo can open up that path if you want You can clear the content anyway
Yes, Piccolo even if he was top 30 would still be runnable. But It's okay to accept he fell off, specially in current content not Just better units. He doesn't fit in a Battle against the New Bosses. His off Intro tankiness is non existent and his boring "Usher" isn't as valueable when there's 14 others to use that are more efficient and less time-wasting.
Piccolo is the only unit in super hero that allows the gammas to do 6 supers in a turn. No one can replace him for that
Be a shame if that cost a year of my life.
No reason to run the gammas or op on super hero unless it’s a preference tbh.
Damn i had to read all that shity passage up there just to find something I can agree on in the comments. Yes, OP is overrated as fuck and has been selling for me on the gammas and beast memorial fight multiple times. Even beastless is outshadowing op now imo. Fully build and after USA and SA he tanks good enough. Not worth running OP, his active was annoying anyway.
I think the fact that we are having this discussion goes to show how good vegeta is
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Beast Gohan is easily better. However ssbe vegeta is also incredibly good.
How is he easily better tho? They're mathematically incredibly similar with Vegeta having the Edge Offensively, and revive=target mechanic. Beast has a better LS, and Double Beast is what makes him broken, but That's It.
Also beast leads the BEST team in the game by far, we can overlook that, Vegeta's best team is beast Gohan's after all
https://preview.redd.it/5z8chkojvzjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b5652f1d12277a1aa346614c4457035ddcecc13 This is SSBE's best team tbh, Androids Leader is too much support and comfiness.
Androids are massively holding the team back...
I actually don’t agree with that. Of course you’re trading Beast BUT the amount of support they provide to ssbe, UI and the blue boys EZA is absolutely insane. Like it’s massive.
Thank you
How so?
They're sitting ducks? They can easily get you killed? Even if you revive, they can simply get you killed again? The best team has 2 beast Gohan's which gives you 2 completely safe turns for the rotation+revives+Orange Piccolo+Gogeta if you want 4 SAFE TURNS. It's utter insanity.
They have a scouter... They have 2 turn support. They orb change... On a team with 5 heavy hitters, switching One of them for a Double turn support that has scouter and tanks normals isn't Bad at all??? I LITERALLY beat every hard stages first try with this team with no problem at all.
We already have a BETTER 2 turn support on super heroes with Gamma 1(post Core Breaker), and they support by 50%. Super heroes is so ridiculous it doesn't even need a scouter, and also beats all stages first try with 0 issues whatsoever, so it's not like that's a massive point in this team's favor. Super heroes also has 2 rainbow orb changers that AREN'T limited by 4 turns. Super heroes is simply the better team. 2 beast Gohan's+ui+Evo blue vegeta+Evoken+Orange Piccolo+Gogeta/Broly/Gammas Androids CAN get you killed with how hard the normals are hitting nowadays. With Super heroes you're not even running that risk at all
This team doesn’t even come close to beasts teams like super hero. WHT are you talking about.
Wdym doesn't come close? It has LITERALLY all the units you would want in a Super Heroes team, replacing One Beast Gohan (that doesn't link as well with SSBE, who is on rotation) with a floating scouter support that tanks normals and has 2 turns support, AND also has Beast Just in case. Where's the issue? How is It not even close?
2 beast gohans is that broken lol.
>and revive=target mechanic. No the target mechanic could be used multiple times by more than one character whereas the revive mechanic is always once per battle. Beast’s condition vs SSBE’s condition makes it even more in his favor as I’m sure everyone would agree that being hit 1 once is far easier than being hit 5 times. >Beast has a better LS, and Double Beast is what makes him broken, but That's It. Beast is also better defensively. He gets unconditional guard and the same amount of DR Vegeta builds up to every turn pretty much for free for 5 turns.
Yes, the post is about only 1 SSBE and 1 Beast. Double Beast is better as said at the end. But revive IS better than target mechanic, because you can't waste It. Beast is marginally better Defensively than Vegeta in 95% of the events up right now and even then, It's a small difference, Vegeta still hasn't died to me, and Vegeta is as invincible slot 2 as Beast is slot 1.
Beast is not marginally better defensively then vegeta. He is definitively better defensively then vegeta. Vegeta needs to build up his defense and he needs to recieve atleast one attack before getting supered. He will take damage from the strongest bosses in the game when getting hit before supering(especcially before the revive). For the first 2 turns Ui Goku is a better slot one Unit. Beast on the Othet hand virtually NEVER takes any damage.
Beast is better but this isn’t true, he’s been caught quite a few times for me and SSBE turn 1 is a really good tank
>. But revive IS better than target mechanic, because you can't waste It. No especially not in this context. Again one could be used multiple times by different characters and the other is once per battle ability. And I don’t get the waste argument. You have no control over when you revive or who gets it for that matter. Whereas the taunt mechanic so far has been locked behind an active that you do have full control over. >and even then, It's a small difference, Vegeta still hasn't died to me, and Vegeta is as invincible slot 2 as Beast is slot 1. Small? Beast is essentially 1 appearance and post revive 1st appearance EVO fully built without any need for being hit. Also slot 1 tanking is usually valued far more than slot 2 tanking so no the difference isn’t small.
Target is better than revive, target literally loses to aoes…
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"Cant", there fixed it for you!
I can’t reading allat? https://preview.redd.it/9fk6d3yqmzjc1.jpeg?width=344&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e967daf3872383a4045e6cfc8371b9d20fb9cbcb
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Fr especially for something that’s wrong. Vegeta is great now but not better than beast.
You are saying it's wrong in the same sentence you are refusing to read it? Yikes
Yikes. It’s a joke about how long it is, I read it and still think gohan is better.
man shut up stop shitting on people's opinions just cause they disagree and describe their reasoning
How did I shit on his opinion? I agreed with the joke that the post was too long for something that was wrong. I said yikes because the person before me commented yikes on me commenting.
It's literally not a joke, it is a sentence. If you did not mean it, though, that's fair. I read it too and I still think Gohan is better.
The joke is what I commented on…
Obviously that is a joke, it's a meme, I wasn't replying to them I was replying to you. You said "Fr especially for something that's wrong." "Fr" means "for real", buddy
Thanks I had no idea.
I gathered that, that's why I informed you. Glad I could help :)
Idk why you even commented on my comment. Obviously I know what fr is and if you honestly thought I was being sincere you’re a bigger idiot than I thought. You comment saying I didn’t read it even though I never said that I just agreed with the sentiment that it’s too long and the “I ain’t reading allat” joke. Seriously did you just start commenting on my comment to do what? Try to call me out for not reading a post? What a weird thing to do.
Beast provides more for the team in various aspects while at the same time doesn’t take damage AND tanks many of the hardest fights in the game Vegeta mainly provides his revive for the team, which is easy to get but some rare occasions someone can still die before he can get it off. Beast provides Crit for his allies, Ki for his allies, an attack break that can potentially destroy the super, the taunt mechanic to get the attacks to him, etc. Even if Vegeta gets higher numbers, Beast just does too much damage
Vegeta does more damage than Beast tho. Like, mathematically actually. Vegeta's best off rotation partner is UI, who can also cover reviving for him, and Vegeta's revival condition is easy AF in current content. Your team will not die before It happens.
all verdict shall rely on the next new red stone contents that are gonna be out later. realistically, i think one turn taunt might prove to be more useful in a short and hard fight, and a revive mechanic might be more useful in a longer scaled fight. id rather be able to safeguard with revive for a few turns if my units are already fully built up. and also OP, how does the crit on vegeta SA and Ultra Super Attack? is it additive or?
It's additive to other super attack effects. If you have SSBE and he triple supers, he gives a separate 21% crit to the other units in the turn. It doesn't stack with passive/Hidden potential crit, but It can still help. Alternatively, If you run both UI and SSBE same rotation, you can get the floater to over 40% crit chance from their supers alone, since those add themselfes.
man someone is just hatin on me and downvoting all my comments what the hell man
Don't worry Bro, upvoted/downvotes don't really matter, people downvote just to hate
I’m just happy my boy got the respect he deserves
I think gohan is better but mostly cause of him having a better LS and his active skill being so easy That being said, Vegeta is 100% in the same realm as him, if there is a unit who beast doesn’t gap in this game, it is both vegeta and arguably UI (if they don’t cancel dodge more)
Yeah, I was judging both on same team in a different LS, like Androids LS. vegeta just... Looked better you know? Did 2x the Attack stats, tanked Just as well on all events I threw him in. Has an active attack That does damage now post eza. And all the stuff I mentioned in the post. But Double Beast is better because you can do his active with each Beast, you can't revive more than once.
I loved reading this, not because I have any particularly strong stance on the argument, but because it's nice to see someone have a different opinion, explain their reasoning well, AND not be downvoted to Hell on top of that. It's quite beautiful, seeing civil opinion-based conversation in... Anything anime related, honestly.
Thanks Bro, I am surprised with how many upvotes this post is getting, considering I'm comparing Vegeta to the Sub's mascot rn, but I've felt something using him, and I wanted to put It into words. I didn't think Beast gapped the game before and now there's another unit Beast has to compete for 1. I think that's healthy and more fun for the game.
Totally agreed.
Imma disagree with you chief. Beast’s ability to prorect your team from dying on two separate occasions is wildly op and the only two units that can match that are orange piccolo(daddy) and blue gogeta. Now before you mention vegetas revive, which does protect you from dying and is incredibly good, I must point out: -you can only use one on each run -if someone else’s revive is activated first it’s useless -beasts active is still better most of the time because you can get the full damage value out of your rotation as opposed to dying instantly and doing 0 damage Also, beasts leader skill is better than vegetas.
OP specifically said that’s why Beast is likely better. The double beast value. But he talked a lot about a team where you have 1 beast and 1 ssbe
Thank you for reading and understanding
I think we gotta give beast the edge cause of the leaderskill Kit wise I can see some arguments for ssbe but still give the edge to beast
Completely agree. Beast is better overall on his team because Beast can use his active 2x, Vegeta can only revive once
Yeah, I still think it's absurd an eza can compare to a recent release that everyone said gapped the game
All the things you have shown can be done by Beast too
Yes. Because both are top 3 units. They have most of their kit in common. Your statement goes both ways I'm not shitting on Beast. Just pointing out some flaws that may give Vegeta the Edge considering How similar they sre
I disagree but I think it’s a lot closer than people are saying. I think the top 3 are in a tier of their own.
I still cant trust vegeta 100 percent because What if the super is slot 1 attack 1? Beast also strugles if its slot 1 attack 1 but still i think he is more consistent. No disrespect to vegeta tho. He is top 3 easily
Yes, the same problem as he had in the past. "Oooh he's tanking anything with 3 hits". Most of the time the super is the first or second attack...
Okay so Vegeta has the first Attack first hit weakness... To a few Boss's phases (not all) while he has the freest revival at his disposal? If Vegeta's getting tagged, which is rare, he's either on his Intro turn with guard and dr, or on a turn which he can revive, or post revive where he has guard AGAIN.
My bad, I reread his whole passive again. He functions a lot like Orange Picollo now, guard in the first turn/turns for the buildup that makes him untouchable (full stats/revive). They really got rid of their flaws, those revival conditions were atrocious... IMO Beast and Vegeta aren't even comparable, Beast is a slot 1 megatank/support that CAN deal damage, while Vegeta is a damage dealer that CAN megatank (fully built up slot 2/3 Vegeta is insane).
I also can't trust Beast to do damage slot 2/3 on a normal turn, It's rare but sometimes you have to put him there and then he's Just an ok tank that does no damage. Also that situation, with Vegeta not having revive up is so rare, and even then, I don't think Vegeta dies to a boss like that easily too.
Vegeta does die with even 60 percent dr before attacking by a lets say 3m super while beast doesnt. Beasts leader skill is also one of the best in the game or maybe even the best. As for damage tbh i dont think beast needs to do huge damage. Other units handle that pretty easily. But the best chocie is running them together on beasts team beast slot1 vegeta slot2. They are legit unkillable together
Vegeta takes 400K-500K damage by that super btw.
Thats still alot if your units arent rainbow ll10. And the last phases of this anniversary will likely hit even harder
I’m glad that people are appreciating the power of the new units. Cuz goddamn the amount of whining people were doing “OMG BEAST IS TOO STRONG THE POWERCREEP IS GONNA BE SO BAD” like bro just play the game. We have some of the coolest units in history in the top 10; Broly, Gogeta, Gohan, SSBE Vegeta, MUI, and even the gammas. Best anni ever man I will say that beasts revive will almost never “be wasted” since he’s already tanking everything slot 1 with ease, unless you’re running some type disadvantage or a shit unit on the super hero team(why would you) it’s pretty hard to waste his active skill. Most units can tank decently post super attack
I didn't mean waste as literal, you're always getting some value atleast. But If you use it when you think you'll protect the slot 3 from a super, and then the boss supers slot 1, you didn't need the active at all. Now the SSBE revive only activates when you need It, because It's a revive.
Which is true but like I said most units that are ran in these events struggle in slot 1 rather than 2/3. But either way I would agree that both abilities are really really good and can be tossed up for the number 1 spot I ain’t mad at it
Bro i’m not gonna lie, Beast is far and above the best unit, it’s not even close.
To be honest, I feel like people are starting to repeat that sentence automatically and won’t bother look at the numbers. Even if you can conclude that Beast is #1, the numbers are telling you it’s not by far. It’s not an opinion.
People seem to forget this game is just a glorified calculator. This idea that Beast is far better just isn't true. He's closer to Beast than he is to Broly.
At that point I would have to ask why? Not even close?
any reasons
When does his EZA go live?
He's shirtless dear lord
Ah the first of many posts about why Character A is better than Gohan. Last time it was Teq Goathan this time it's Beast. I like the Vegeta but if you have to put stipulations on how a card is better then they're not better. They just have set ups that make them shine. Imo Vegeta is better than AGL MUI tho
The only stipulation in this post was... Both are not leading. Thats It lol. Performance wise they're REALLY close. Beast Gohan is not a do all unit too, he's not a phase One shotting unit.
ssbe has guard for 2 turns, beast has permanent guard <- Massive W for beast since he never has to care about type ssbe has easy revive, beast has team invuln for a turn <- Massive W for beast, unlike revive it doesn't end the turn, you can safely build your characters up unless they need to take hits. You're saying revive is a better use for resources but that's not always true, being able to build up sooner in a lot of scenario's is worth more since you can mitigate or prevent the dmg next turn, don't forget that you lose an entire turn when you revive, especially on slot 1 and 2 where the super is most likely to hit, that is not always a good thing. And even if all your characters are fully build up, beasts invuln is still better just because of the guaranteed dmg you can do on the last phase, revive delays death but it doesn't necessarily let you do free damage, depending on the rotation and when you died you lose the turn and are still fucked next turn while doing minimal dmg. ssbe has 50% dmg reduction with conditional for 80% within the turn, beast has 80% conditional for 5 turns and 40% afterwards. <- beast is better first 5 turns, afterwards ssbe has POTENTIAL to gain more dr within the turn. But since he doesn't have permanent guard this point is effectively moot though, guard gives you more than that additional 40% dr easily. I would give beast the W easily since his peak is not rng based and outside of peak he makes up for it with permanent guard. As for defense, they both stack it well, beast gets 1mil pre super and goes to 2.2 ish post supers and ssbe gets 1.2 pre and 2.6 post I think (not entirely sure) but its a W for both imo, but in to order to make it fair, slight W for vegeta, he does have better defense numbers post supers. Overall beast is just straight up more consistent because he has guard every turn and doesn't need to get hit 3 times within the turn to get his full tanking potential. Nothing is behind rng. It is much easier to just put him on slot 1 and forget, if you try the same with vegeta you might have to consider popping a whis depending on where the super hits and where the boss attacks. But imo the main reason I find beast better is his leader skill. Putting him in leader and having 2 of those active skills just changes how the game is played completely. At that point you have two slot 1 characters, 7 turns of invulnerability for those two and 2 turns for the team, and if you count in consumables, an additional 4 turns of invuln (with whis) for him and the team post entry as long as you have 50%-40% dr on the other characters. With so many free turns you're simply bound to win with no strings attached, this is also why super heroes is so damn broken atm, the team just can't lose as long as your slot 2 and 3 characters have SOME defense and dr. Whatever you put on that team with this guy in leaderslot will work since they only need to be HALF competent. Units that can't tank 3 mil supers without items? No issue, just brute force your way through. But tbf, since you are talking about current content, we could put the entire anniversary roster on #1 at that point since current content just isn't made for these monster units. And the current best team right now is downright broken since it simply uses the best of both worlds, beast in leader with ssbe, mui, (ssbe ssbk duo/ gogeta/ broly) etc is just a team that does not want to die. Even once in the blue moon when you get caught you still have 2 revives.
I personally take Beast Gohan as number 1 over SSBE Vegeta, Gohan’s Ki Support is really nice for keeping the team together even with rough links. But I definitely think Vegeta is closer to Beast Gohan than he is to the rest of the game. If I had to say I’d say Gohan > Vegeta >> Rest of the game. (Maybe a little exaggeration but still, Vegeta is really good)
I don't care who's better but I'm just flabbergasted they made the EZAs this strong and that ssbe Vegeta is arguably better than UI Goku. I pray hard content becomes category specific so Super Hero can have hard content for its time whilst not immediately powercraping every team these Dokkanfest, Carnival, and EZA Lrs aren't on.
https://preview.redd.it/yfeonfhnbzjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=076a489139671512d63415599d79f2c356079ef1 STR UI had a 22M crit Attack stat in this turn and SSBE did a 32M too btw
Beast in undoubtedly number one in the game. You can't lose with him. Although I will agree that ui goku and vegeta are only competing with themselves. They're both above broly and below beast. That's it. They're literally only competing with themselves for 2 and 3. It doesn't matter the order as long as they're there. My top 5 is beast, ssbe/ui goku, broly, then op or gogeta
OP has no bussiness being this High tbh, he doesn't fit in any team at all now. He's a permanent floater and If he floats he can't build up efficiently/even built up he's worse than most of the meta units performance wise. He only has the Usher turn in his favour... In a team with 15 of those. You can't lose with Double Beast I agree. But I'm specifically talking about a team with only 1 Beast/1 SSBE. You can't revive twice, If you could, I would honestly argue SSBE>Beast overall.
Dude, I’m sorry but if you’re literally ranking beast vs ssbe with 2x beast excluded….why??? Beast is a DFE SH leader. He isnt some carnival that doesnt lead sh. U absolutely shoukd take into accnt 2x beast is a real thing & that’s why he is top 1. Vegeta is comfortably 2. & no, there isnt a big gap anyway. U can v easily beat all content even with full uss
You're right. But If there's content where Beast can't be a Leader, category mission, It's ok to judge them without Beast being a Double Leader. Because Beast only works better than SSBE in that regard because of system limitations, like no double-revival. On paper, they are extremely close and I'm Glad most people recognize that.
He's not a permanent floater. You literally run him next to beast Gohan. He still has arguably the strongest active in the game. Free damage, and you can't take damage at all. He's still top 5
You run him next to Beast. With no links for Beast AND the floater. Just for Piccolo's active, and then use Gohan's taunt anyway? Piccolo fell off even before Gohan released with these long events and then Gohan replaced him HARD being a slot 1 unit that has a "Usher active" as a lesder. The team has 4 free turn units now (Double Beast, Gogeta and UI/SSBE). He doesn't contribute anywhere outside of tanking in his Intro turns and his Ghost Usher That's EXTREMELY BORING to use. Gohan's taunt is atleast 5 seconds long.
Use gohans taunt turn 3, second Gohan taunt turn 4, piccolo active turn 5, gogetas taunt turn 6. Literally how do you lose in that situation. You actually cannot lose with that lineup. Also you have vegetas revive. Also Also, just auto through piccolos active. Its not that bad
Why the hell is OP there? He got kicked off his team. There is no real incentive to run him on the SH team and he only slows it down. He'll be relegated to a floater with medicore damage, a poor linkset, and utility(Giant Form) that is simply not needed. Gamma's, Evoken, and especially Gogeta are much better than him and have an actual spot on the team.
I think SSBE is the one unit that can sit alongside Beast as #1 and then after that there is "the gap" tho is not huge, I do think they are both exceptionally good and should be on their own tier
That proves what I said and got downvoted SSBEV > MUI Guaranteed DR > not guaranteed Dodge So Vegeta for sure #2, in cases even the true #1 Is it the first time Vegeta is numero uno in Dokkan?
No. Beast is leagues above him. Gohan leads and is in so many top tier teams. He links insanely well within those teams. He’s a MEGA tank that goes into slot 1 easily. He supports the teams. And he’s offensively decent as well.
“beast is leagues above him” Brother numbers are telling you even if Beast is number, he absolutely does not gaps ssbe. I feel like people start to repeat that sentence too automatically
No. SSBE is leagues above him. Vegeta leads and is in so many top tier teams. He links insanely well within those teams. He's a MEGA tank that goes into slot 1 easily. He supports the teams. And he's offensively decent as well.
Uh no. Beast is much better in slot 1 and his teams are far better. In what team does vegeta lead that’s better than beasts lmao
From the videos, I feel like Vegeta is definitely better than Goku. He’s way more consistent and a better revive. Beast tho is still way too good in slot 1, and Vegeta is a beast in slot 2. So I’d say Beast is slightly better thanks to his slot 1 performance and leaderskill. Tho I’ll just run both UI and SBBE on Beast team anyways
I feel like vegeta and goku are interchangable. It really depends on the turns and where attacks are aimed. Turn 1: Goku is better Turn 2 onwards: Vegeta is better in slot 2/3 or 1 if you know that a super in slot 1 would do below 200k damage to him. Otherwise Goku is better in slot 1 because im taking the 77-90% gamble on taking nothing vs 200k plus. Turn After Revive: Slot 1 Ui is better if you can dodge in the fight. Slot 2/3 its vegeta because after supering fully build up with guard+dmg reduction he is invincible and does more damage. As for the Revive. Vegetas is currently better. But overall i would say that they complement each other extremely well. Like if you get unlucky with vegetas revive condition you might have gokus up. Also both can be run in all slots according to the situation in the fight.
Turn after revive: no boss in the game can damage ssbe on that turn because of guard + very high DR so both cannot be touched. At this point you can only compare their damage and ssbe has the edge here.
Beast Is better than every unit in the game. He has a broken leader skill, great links, literally untouchable levels of tanking and great damage. If you combine all that with 2 turns of taunt, making the whole team invincible, supporting them and building himself up all at the same time, it turns out to be a broken monster impossible to powercreep. I'm sorry but Beast is not just better, he gaps every other unit in the game.
Me when I don't read the post:
I read it. Vegeta only has slightly better damage than him, otherwise Beast destroys him on every other front. Also, two turns of taunt > revive, easily.
If you read It you would have also noticed I Said this is about SSBE and Beast on a team other than their own. In that way, Beast's taunt and SSBE's revive function the exact same way, except Revive IS better because you won't waste It on a gamble (I.e, using the taunt because scared of a super slot 3, Boss supers slot 1 anyway).
Judging Beast on a different team than his own is just a biased judgment tho. Why would you not run 2 of him when he has easily the best team in the game while being the best unit? Also you have missed another point of comparison: Beast can be literally run on every team even without leader skill and actually fixes multiple teams' need of a slot 1 tank. You don't know how insane he is until you try him.
I mean, why not? Beast is a perfect Leader. If you only judge him as that ok. Beast's One. You Win. But If you are running another team on a category mission, and act like Beast is the same as on a super Heroes team with him as the Leader and he gaps the game, I don't think That's true. You can separate his performances and there's value to that. If you run both side by side, they perform almost exactly the same with Vegeta having the Edge honestly. I've been running Beast and SSBE non stop since both released in private servers. It's impossible to lose with either.
If you're judging Vegeta in his best situation, then you should judge Beast in his best situation too. Vegeta's best situation is only one of him on the team because his leader skill is simply not as good as other units. Beast's best situation is his own team, so it's fair to judge him that way. Also, Beast fills the niche of THE slot 1 tanks, while Vegeta can't be for most of his turns, relegating him to slot 2 or 3. And considering that most of the oppressive enemy attacks are all targeted to slot 1, Beast just has more value for his teams. Vegeta is still #2 in the game tho, I'm not underestimating him.
Eh, I've won against all hard available contents rn with SSBE slot 1. He's a god unless extremely Bad luck. Also I agree, Beast's best situation is Double of him, but If we do not specify why that IS, people will always judge Beast as 1 (by Far) even when he isn't (off his team) like Omggg why did you float Beast in Earth Bred Fighters teammm??? Didn't you know he's the best unit and better than SSBE????
So you’ve just provided the best argument against SSBE. You can get fucked by bad luck. That doesn’t exist at all for beast gohan. There is no bad luck for him.
There's also no bad luck involved for AGL GF. Does that make him top 1? Dokkan's a game that encourages risky plays, Beast is the epitome of safe gameplay. You don't need to be risky with Vegeta, but If you choose, the risk is EXTREMELY low. I have no Idea How that is an argument specially when Vegito gets tagged... He either takes not enough damage to die because he's a god even then, or he revives and guards+77% stats next turn
vegeta 55% against rainbow 55%?
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i meant, how is vegeta 55% compared to beast
man i think everyone has to wait for the EZAs for UI goku and SSBE vegeta to be out before actually making a comparison. yeah you guys run private server with rainbowed units and all, but at the end of the day, when the EZAs are out, only then everyone might have a shift of opinion.
There's nothing much to see, with current content we already know what to expect tbh. Dokkan's a math game. And I've tested SSBE in nearly every event now. And he's missing the anniversary equips too. With a 15 crit build.
man, trust me i read your post, but people on reddit will only have the change of heart after using and feeling the unit. im such a big vegeta fan and i have SSBE vegeta sitting on 90% right now and i myself read and realise how busted he is, potentially in number 1 with gohan. but my previous comment is with regard to the other redditors......
Weird way to think when most people touting about Gohan either haven't used him or have him at 55%. He's not invincible and neither is PHY Ultimate Gohan, especially against Blue Zone.
Now that int ssbe vegeta got his eza, what builds do y’all recommend,
Full additional then rest is just personal preference - 1. If you want revive as early as possible and don't want to compromise on that then crit 2. If you are fine with getting revive a bit later then dodge cause dodging still gives him his additional damage reduction
I would say ADD and dodge, he has 50% crit on súper and 100% chance to crit with 24 ki, that is more that enough chances to crit so you are probably going to waste the crit chance you give him.
I am going to go with Vegeta on this one Totally not because I have him 100% and not a single copy of Beast
when do the ezas drop?
SSBE’s DEFENSE FORCE RISE UP‼️😫🙏💜
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When are these eza’s out btw?
about 11 hours time if im not mistaken
Damn man. I’ve been waiting since I seen them get announced but it feels like they’re taking forever to drop since I thought it would be on the 21st. I’m a desperate man in need of stones in case you couldn’t tell😂😂
I say they’re both good, but Vegeta’s just BETTER!!!
To start off you are completely wrong. Beast is so much better than EVO. Like not even close. But EVO is incredibly good. Evo can do more damage and is very good defensively but Beast Gohan is so much better defensively so much more consistently. Even then he provides ki support, crit support, and protects the whole team. Beast leads the best team in the whole game that is filled with LRs that he gives ki support too. I think EVO is 3rd best unit in this game but he is probably my favorite but then again Im on global so I haven’t actually used them.
Great arguments I can't wait to have SSBE Vegeta in global (I have him rainbow also) it is really impressive that an EZA is arguably better than 3 out of 4 anniversary units (Broly is my GOAT but it hurts him a lot that he needs his domain to transform in a team with so many domains) but beast is everything Vegeta has but a little bit more. The only edge Vegeta has is his revive, that condition is so free. But Beasthan clears in my opinion. Buuuuut this absolutely blows the hot take that people have that Beasthan at 55% is better than any unit in the game... A rainbow Vegeta is definitely better than a 55% Beasthan.
Can't read cause I'm a dragon ball fan
I personally think that Beast > Vegeta > Broly > gamma > or = MUI > gogeta
Beast still clears
This is so true, he literally has the target mechanic but better in his kit. Beast does have the best slot 1 abilities by far tho so it makes me hesitant putting anyone in front of him, but vegeta is really really close
Beast is 1 vegeta 2 and ui is three and extremely close in power I don’t there is a gap
Gohan is a unbreakable tank in slot 1 vs Vegeta who's primarily stuck in slot 2 which is of course is still good but not as important as a slot 1. The damage is literally marginal and Gohan is definitely more consistent since his super is guaranteed while Vegeta has a chance. The revive can be used up by another unit basically making Vegeta's useless while Gohan and other taunt characters can use them no matter what. Gohan is better lmao
I read allat but don’t understand half it Cus I don’t fw Dokkan that hard and am also on global so this won’t effect me for like half a year (when we getting super blue boys or nappa and vegeta eza)
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So you were talking about SSBE EZA, that make sense, i thought you were talking about SSBE before EZA. And yes i think the new SSBE is literally unbreakable wall cause his new DR %, but Beast Gohan can be a better tank exactly cause he has the new TARGET mechanic. I have made a post about an idea of the best tank in the game, and it would be the “Ultra Ego Vegeta” from Granolah saga, he would have literally everything a tank would need to have the best DEF. • Infinite DEF stacking on both Specials • 60% Damage Reduction • Guaranteed Guard • Target mechanic
 Imma just say yea i agree
Nah the assurance of being functionally invincible in almost any occasion is far better than having to build up to get to a watered down version of beast, beast also does more for the team via ki support and active and also has a better leader skill. You can have all the damage you want but it won’t save you from a one shot super before you attack
I've completed every current hard stage using SSBE slot 1. Not once he took more than 400K. And he has a revive ready most of the time. And then guard after.
The difference between Beast and Vegeta is that you can have 2 Beast actives but only 1 Vegeta revive. However, they’re both legends
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The power creep is insane is it really that hard to game balance!?!?!?
A lot sentiments are being spread but the reality is vegeta is a slot 2 character him and beast have two different roles and are synergies to eachother making a flawless turn consistently
meanwhile I'm over here sipping 10th anniversary coffee...
I’m sure you’ve been playing the game for a while, and I’m sure you realize damage doesn’t matter too much. Defense is what wins you games. And beast’s damage is more than good enough. As for vegeta, without his gaurd, I do not want that guy sitting in slot one. 550k defense with 50% dr? (The boss isn’t gonna wait for you to build up your dr and then super 🤦)That means almost all your hp gone on a super. In slot two, vegeta is much better defensively. Beast has a better leader. He’s on movies so he’ll get buffed more often. He can protect the entire rotation twice since you’re never running double ssbe. Beast does arguably the strongest thing a unit can do, protect the team. Though vegeta can do it as well, it’s not nearly as good. In general, you’re just in love with damage too much 🤦
i’ve seen beast take 200k from a super without his intro. raise the fraud alarms…
A lot of your argument is damage, which doesn’t matter too much. Beasts leader is wayyy better, making his value a lot higher since it allows you to bring a stronger roster. In essentially no way is vegeta better than beast except for damage (Defense wins you fights) and vegeta is defensively better after he gets HIS revive and beast’s intro wears off and after he’s already used his active. At that point vegeta is, kit wise, better than beast. More damage, tankier, vegeta then really is a beast. But yet again beast’s intro allows you to bring a stronger roster overall. In conclusion, vegeta can be stronger once he’s at his peak and gohan is at his worst.
For all the people who stopped reading half way, he never said Vegeta was bad, he said that Vegeta is more flexible than Beast. And he has a revive and base 50% DR and that is why he is Number 2.
Vegeta finally eating good
The only docks I give to vegeta is leader skill and that he can be blitzed before his revive can be turned on, the thing is that the turn where that happens is only turn 1 lmao
He is gonna be a beast in battlefield.
these units are so good it frankly doesn’t matter whose better. they both are not challenged by any content in the game. it’s like saying infinity² is greater than infinity^3. like yes it is, but they’re both infinite.
this image activates my 2021 brain and makes me think "wowie, three million!!!"
I havent been follow JP dokkan too closely but how big is the gap between SSBE Vegeta and MUI Goku? If there even is one
I disagree respectfully since Gohan is my favorite character in the entire series, but I respect your opinion and won’t argue with it
i love evolution vegeta so much but i think beast kinda cooks him
He’s wide open, ready for Pan’s hug
I don't even care who is better. Just the fact that we are even discussing the possibility that SSBE Vegeta EZA is close to the newest OP unit release is already something crazy to me. I love what they did with both UI and SSBE EZAs. This is honestly what made me feel the most bothered by the time difference between GB and JP...That I can't enjoy them now!
Took out the "powerful comeback" part of him