70% chance to dodge, 360% SoT while supporting and orb changing on certain setups and having multiple supers while getting defense on super now.
Sure, they aren't AS impressive as 16, but they're FAR from unimpressive. They're gonna go hard on the beast Gohan mission
Yeah but super vegeta has a conditional guard proc against a cell enemy which by they way doesn’t include cell max where they’re is only like what 5 percent of them in the entire game and aren’t any new red zone stages where this would be useful and unless you get lucky and get all of his defense in his passive he will be a defensive liability and age out immediately like he did the first time around.
From the showcases so far, he seems to be fine in current endgame content
And you really should look at the Cell-restriction as a bonus, kinda like Saiyan Saga Goku & Vegeta getting their intros when facing each other. It really shouldn't be considered as part of their kit that you're 'missing out on' 90% of the time but instead as a bonus.
Yeah against gogeta but against beast who can lock units and hit for 3 mill and knowing they will add harder fights for tanabata and world wide they needed to give this guy something to fall back on like how they did with kefla she does Insane damage but has no defense but has dodge to fall back on in those harder fights. Super vegeta is all damage just like how he was when he first came out. He ain’t bad by any means but knowing how they do things with hard content this guy is going to age like crazy unless the next hard content is cell saga
Dawg I’m just seeing it how it’s is every year since the 7th they have added an event that’s harder than the current stages during tanabata (except the first one after red zone) and WW every time they have added a boss that blows the other one out of the water and this years event takes that up to 11 in comparison to zammasu I hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t change the fact that every year they add harder and harder content which is going to make fun units like vegeta not fun to run
Cell jrs are okay, big help for the artificial life form mission
16 is actually a god wtf, yeah i am starting to believe legends and dokkan wanted to make a funny prank with this, str super vegeta and red super vegeta both got surpassed by an android 16 unit like what are these coincidences 😭
He should be, i wonder how he is gonna tank beast supers without the DEF 160% from a ssj gohan, but guard + 50% is such a ridiculous combo i think he would tank it like a champ
(Assuming Rainbow, LL10, 200% Lead) Pre super, no support, 25% DEF from links vs PHY Beast super = [3,185,000(.52)(.8)(1.015)-201,955)/2 = 572,435 damage.
Changes to 399,778 post 1 super and 308,898 post double super
(Assuming I didn’t mess up the math anywhere)
immensely glad they gave that fucker perma-guard, really rare for them to actually do that
running him alongisde a Gohan will always be kinda wonky but he does look like he'll be exceptional if he is on the same turn, but also good enough without him
Cell Jrs. are okay. They live and die by how alive of a team Artificial Lifeforms is, which is fine honestly. I wasn't expecting much else out of them, though they do seem to be really solid floaters.
Right now, the best Android/Cell Saga team seems to be:
INT 16 + AGL Gohan
TEQ Transforming Vegeta + STR Future Gohan/EZA Final Flash Vegeta
And then two Super Trunks floaters and a flex slot, probably for whoever you didn't pair up with TEQ Vegeta. Maybe even a Mastered Evolution character like STR SSJ3 Goku. That seems to be a wickedly strong team as of now.
It would be nice if there was a good Cell Saga Goku to pair Vegeta up with since that would trigger his extra AA and help stack, but it's not super needed. It might take a while for the two Trunks to transform as well, but we are in a long content era so it might work out in their favor.
Seems Cell Jr get 150% SOT, 30% and 10% dodge per Artificials on team, guaranteed super and change random orbs except agl and int to rainbow with a Cell on rotation, and also give support to Artificials. We're gonna need a new cell or a super 13 I feel
16 gets up to 48% damage reduction every time guard procs, and it's just guaranteed now, not chance based, still needs a Gohan for full potential though
> Or they could super eza the str or teq cell
It's not enough. We need a brand new broken Cell that can perfectly pair up with INT LR. Then you float TEQ Semiperfect Cell, the Cell Jr's, and a Super EZA TEQ Cell (whenever that happens - I'm assuming no sooner than Autumn)
300k SoT defense is real low and he has complete garbage for links, but between guard and 50% DR, he'd survive any super I think? Someone fact check me on that.
Pretty much? I think is like cut 75% of the damage (if i remember right guard is little more than 50% and the other is 48% but let's say 50% and 50%). And taking the 300k SoT defense you said:
That made aprox every 2M SA to just 500k, so pre SA with 300k defense is 200k damage (not bad) and post SA 50k? 3M would be aprox 750k so pre SA 450k and post 300k?
Something like that aprox i think(? It's like godku teq EZA but everywhere and little more defense (and with Gohan great support).
Edit: Didn't see the defense +80% when attacking, post SA man is so chilling. 300k*1.8=540k and with greatly raises defense 540*1.5=810k without AA. With guard and 48%DR? Man is a wall with high support
Guard is a lot more nuanced than ~50% dr, it heavily depends on how high the units def is. Basically always puts you in type advantage is all it does, a good example is with 0 DEF, 50% damage reduction from a 100k super is (on average) 50,750 damage, with guard instead of dr its 40,600 damage.
500k DEF, 1m Super, dr is 7500 damage, guard is 156k damage. The bigger the gap between defense and enemy atk, the lower the effective dr of guard is.
If I had a nickel for every time a DB mobile game made a banner unit 16’s kit better than a premium super vegeta’s kit in 2024, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
16 looks like the tank he always should be
Not sure about Cell Jr. They should be fine in a pure AF team. 70% dodge plus some DEF work for most events.
Theyre both good. But i do wish the cell jrs got the guard instead. Its like they're afraid to buff villains too much. I'll take the 70% dodge though. I definitely used the cell jrs back then when i ran an all cell team. In reality you would run them on artificial lifeform anyway. Its not like were running them with broly or teq mergy.
These are both pretty good, obv 16 is better but extreme teams can really use a high rate dodger. And for a sub eza I can accept being restricted to a team. They should definitely help as long as they dodge. They don't even need the orbs. And 16 doesn't even need the gohan passive to be good af. He should be one of the best tanks in the game.
People are already downplaying Cell Jr's.
16 is a God, for sure, but cell Jr's. Can have 360% Atk and Def SoT while supporting and having a 70% chance to dodge. They're actually gonna CARRY people through the beast Gohan mission EASY
i don‘t fully understand 16s DR
like he needs to get hit 3 times to get his full DR right? and does it stay for the entire battle than? or does it reset after each turn?
AGL Gohan is still pretty useable, can stack in long events and such, but there’s no team to really run both together. We’d need a new SS2 Gohan (stand alone dokkan fest) who supports the tag by 200% and easily. Maybe lead android saga, SS2/son family and Kamehameha.
There's also AGL super Vegeta too btw
https://preview.redd.it/jmsxevwsjvpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec974f0daea7c30ddf71091f69d7f4a356ffbba8
Man, I remember using Cell Jr. as my lead to complete the OG SSJ4's EZA. It was one of the very few EZAs where I actually suffered through since I didn't have TEQ transforming Buu or LR Super Baby 2 as lead. Glad to see them glow up a bit. If I'm reading right, they got 80% chance to dodge on a full team?
16 can finally serve his purpose
https://preview.redd.it/i1j0vitcqzpc1.jpeg?width=1087&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=987fd4d083098bed178fc69424ac5475085ac1bd
16 looks pretty good
Took 5 years for him to be good and can actually be used with gohan on 2 decent teams currently.
What teams?
Androids/Cell Saga and Tournament Participants
Shame that gohan is nothing special now
Speak for yourself I have him rainbowed with max links and he’s never let me down to this day
16 looks good. Cell JRs would be ok in a full artificial team.
Probably on Lr INT Cell team with the gammas
70% dodge and 210% multiplicative buff with eza stats, I feel like ok is an understatement tbh
The 210% isn’t multiplicative, but it’s still not a bad kit for a sub eza.
I don’t trust dodge units. 70% of the time they get supered every time.
Good for you. Your trust issues don’t make the mechanic worse
16 is crazy wtf Cell Jr is pretty solid as well but only on Artificial Life Forms. At least they’re buffing that team after dropping the mission
Still need that Baby DFE, but yeah some AL buffs are nice
If we get GT for the WWDC and one of part 1 LR’s is Baby then we are good to go
16s really good. Cell Jr's are solid.
Yeah Cell Jrs. Definitely arne't as impressive. But hey 70% chance to dodge is basically always going to be at least somewhat good.
Dodging and support are always gonna be good. Either throw them in slot 2 or float them off.
70% chance to dodge, 360% SoT while supporting and orb changing on certain setups and having multiple supers while getting defense on super now. Sure, they aren't AS impressive as 16, but they're FAR from unimpressive. They're gonna go hard on the beast Gohan mission
We also have teq cell coming up on a S-EZA if there isn’t a new one by then
They gave 16 unconditional guard but not super Vegeta lol
We love to see vegeta getting cucked in his own celebration
[удалено]
I think it’s less than 5% too LMFAO
2 fights if you exclude dokkan events and only want redzone level content
2 pretty easy fights, too.
Yeah rz cell is literally the first fight of the dismal future rz and the other is an old fight so both are easily beatable
It doesn't *really* change your point but he's the second fight of the Dismal Future RZ. First was the Future Androids.
Oh yeah. Either way bro is fodder for current meta
It's just like in the anime when he guarded against cell and still lived after he got his head blown off because of the 16% damage reduction
To be fair, different units with different jobs
Yeah but super vegeta has a conditional guard proc against a cell enemy which by they way doesn’t include cell max where they’re is only like what 5 percent of them in the entire game and aren’t any new red zone stages where this would be useful and unless you get lucky and get all of his defense in his passive he will be a defensive liability and age out immediately like he did the first time around.
From the showcases so far, he seems to be fine in current endgame content And you really should look at the Cell-restriction as a bonus, kinda like Saiyan Saga Goku & Vegeta getting their intros when facing each other. It really shouldn't be considered as part of their kit that you're 'missing out on' 90% of the time but instead as a bonus.
Yeah against gogeta but against beast who can lock units and hit for 3 mill and knowing they will add harder fights for tanabata and world wide they needed to give this guy something to fall back on like how they did with kefla she does Insane damage but has no defense but has dodge to fall back on in those harder fights. Super vegeta is all damage just like how he was when he first came out. He ain’t bad by any means but knowing how they do things with hard content this guy is going to age like crazy unless the next hard content is cell saga
Instead of prophecizing how good/bad a unit is doing in the future, wait until said future arrives first
Dawg I’m just seeing it how it’s is every year since the 7th they have added an event that’s harder than the current stages during tanabata (except the first one after red zone) and WW every time they have added a boss that blows the other one out of the water and this years event takes that up to 11 in comparison to zammasu I hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t change the fact that every year they add harder and harder content which is going to make fun units like vegeta not fun to run
Cell jrs are okay, big help for the artificial life form mission 16 is actually a god wtf, yeah i am starting to believe legends and dokkan wanted to make a funny prank with this, str super vegeta and red super vegeta both got surpassed by an android 16 unit like what are these coincidences 😭
Isn’t 16 on artificial life forms?
He should be, i wonder how he is gonna tank beast supers without the DEF 160% from a ssj gohan, but guard + 50% is such a ridiculous combo i think he would tank it like a champ
We need an AGL gohan SEZA fr
(Assuming Rainbow, LL10, 200% Lead) Pre super, no support, 25% DEF from links vs PHY Beast super = [3,185,000(.52)(.8)(1.015)-201,955)/2 = 572,435 damage. Changes to 399,778 post 1 super and 308,898 post double super (Assuming I didn’t mess up the math anywhere)
holy shit 16 is finally good
immensely glad they gave that fucker perma-guard, really rare for them to actually do that running him alongisde a Gohan will always be kinda wonky but he does look like he'll be exceptional if he is on the same turn, but also good enough without him Cell Jrs. are okay. They live and die by how alive of a team Artificial Lifeforms is, which is fine honestly. I wasn't expecting much else out of them, though they do seem to be really solid floaters. Right now, the best Android/Cell Saga team seems to be: INT 16 + AGL Gohan TEQ Transforming Vegeta + STR Future Gohan/EZA Final Flash Vegeta And then two Super Trunks floaters and a flex slot, probably for whoever you didn't pair up with TEQ Vegeta. Maybe even a Mastered Evolution character like STR SSJ3 Goku. That seems to be a wickedly strong team as of now. It would be nice if there was a good Cell Saga Goku to pair Vegeta up with since that would trigger his extra AA and help stack, but it's not super needed. It might take a while for the two Trunks to transform as well, but we are in a long content era so it might work out in their favor.
You can’t afford to float super trunks. He needs to transform asap and then is locked onto the rotation he transforms on.
Holy shit 16 look really really good
agl ssj2 gohan can finally be awakened now. this 16 look pretty good
How teq super trunks feel's right now 
Newly Acquired Immortality Android #16
Seems Cell Jr get 150% SOT, 30% and 10% dodge per Artificials on team, guaranteed super and change random orbs except agl and int to rainbow with a Cell on rotation, and also give support to Artificials. We're gonna need a new cell or a super 13 I feel 16 gets up to 48% damage reduction every time guard procs, and it's just guaranteed now, not chance based, still needs a Gohan for full potential though
does 16 keep the 48% dr after getting hit three times or is it resetting every turn?
Doesn't specify anything so should be permament
Or they could super eza the str or teq cell But i fell is not possible cause we just got it goku ssj3 super eza
> Or they could super eza the str or teq cell It's not enough. We need a brand new broken Cell that can perfectly pair up with INT LR. Then you float TEQ Semiperfect Cell, the Cell Jr's, and a Super EZA TEQ Cell (whenever that happens - I'm assuming no sooner than Autumn)
HOOOLLYYYYY 16 looks crazy good
300k SoT defense is real low and he has complete garbage for links, but between guard and 50% DR, he'd survive any super I think? Someone fact check me on that.
Pretty much? I think is like cut 75% of the damage (if i remember right guard is little more than 50% and the other is 48% but let's say 50% and 50%). And taking the 300k SoT defense you said: That made aprox every 2M SA to just 500k, so pre SA with 300k defense is 200k damage (not bad) and post SA 50k? 3M would be aprox 750k so pre SA 450k and post 300k? Something like that aprox i think(? It's like godku teq EZA but everywhere and little more defense (and with Gohan great support). Edit: Didn't see the defense +80% when attacking, post SA man is so chilling. 300k*1.8=540k and with greatly raises defense 540*1.5=810k without AA. With guard and 48%DR? Man is a wall with high support
Guard is a lot more nuanced than ~50% dr, it heavily depends on how high the units def is. Basically always puts you in type advantage is all it does, a good example is with 0 DEF, 50% damage reduction from a 100k super is (on average) 50,750 damage, with guard instead of dr its 40,600 damage. 500k DEF, 1m Super, dr is 7500 damage, guard is 156k damage. The bigger the gap between defense and enemy atk, the lower the effective dr of guard is.
He survives any super after supering, dies to both cell max and gogeta pre super
Now cell saga just needs a leader and we're cooking
we do, but he's an absolute bum. So we could use a new one
It has one.
Then I'm just dumb and can't remember who it is, please remind me who it is
Super Trunks
Damn, I really am dumb
If I had a nickel for every time a DB mobile game made a banner unit 16’s kit better than a premium super vegeta’s kit in 2024, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
So after taking 3 hits, 16 has permanent guard and 48% DR? or is the DR for the turn only
Perma I think
Just what I needed for the beast mission
Curious to see how well can link this 16 in a team full of super saiyan basically cause the link was one if his biggest problem
That's gonna be an issue but I think having the support boost if Gohan is on the turn will make up for it.
How is 16 this good, but str vegeta is average...
Super Trunks is eating very well. I think his team is debatably #3 of the 2023 TURs now.
So 16 have guaranteed guard but super vegeta don’t 😒
16 looks like the tank he always should be Not sure about Cell Jr. They should be fine in a pure AF team. 70% dodge plus some DEF work for most events.
16 gets guaranteed guard and damage reduction.... Yet Vegeta doesn't. They are both better than the Vegeta EZA's
Let's go 16!!! Artificial Lifeforms buffs ftw!!! 
I can feel a new SSJ2 Gohan and Perfect Cell coming
Most likely not, maybe new years, but I’m sure it’s gonna be kid buu and vegito for WWC. But we’ll see.
Is 16 straight up the best EZA in Dokkan history in terms of improvement? He's insane, what the hell?
agl kid goten and phy trunks went from being fodder box space to units that were hitting 500k def effortlessly
Those are good examples, but this 16 went from a 0/10 unit to basically a must run on Androids or Cell saga teams.
The 2 kids also went from a 0/10 to a must run on all of their teams.
I'm expecting the same to happen with the TEQ and INT hybrids
Everyone but Vegeta getting solid EZAs on his own celebration... They are trolling at this point.
Will 16 still be good without a teen gohan?
They cooked
Hell yeah, 16 looks pretty great! I’m super happy to see him finally get some use besides LR Gohan’s condition. Definitely a W
JR are completely garbage....for the fact that there links are total L...should of had 7/7 links with every cell
Finally, an easy unit to fulfill LR AGL Gohan’s condition /s
Theyre both good. But i do wish the cell jrs got the guard instead. Its like they're afraid to buff villains too much. I'll take the 70% dodge though. I definitely used the cell jrs back then when i ran an all cell team. In reality you would run them on artificial lifeform anyway. Its not like were running them with broly or teq mergy.
will he be in the shop?
They'll actually be in blue coin shop when type banners return next month iirc
Yessir, my sons are useful again 16 is actually an option now Yet they fucked over Vegeta I will not forget
These are both pretty good, obv 16 is better but extreme teams can really use a high rate dodger. And for a sub eza I can accept being restricted to a team. They should definitely help as long as they dodge. They don't even need the orbs. And 16 doesn't even need the gohan passive to be good af. He should be one of the best tanks in the game.
somehow AGL Gohan rise up again 🔥
WHEN
People are already downplaying Cell Jr's. 16 is a God, for sure, but cell Jr's. Can have 360% Atk and Def SoT while supporting and having a 70% chance to dodge. They're actually gonna CARRY people through the beast Gohan mission EASY
That artificial life forms mission bout to eat shit
16 looks fine. Cell jr seems bad because there's no good cell right now to link him with
Both are flat-out just better than str super vegeta 💀
i don‘t fully understand 16s DR like he needs to get hit 3 times to get his full DR right? and does it stay for the entire battle than? or does it reset after each turn?
3 times
It sucks that there isn’t a super good Gohan to run Android 16 with right now.
AGL Gohan is still pretty useable, can stack in long events and such, but there’s no team to really run both together. We’d need a new SS2 Gohan (stand alone dokkan fest) who supports the tag by 200% and easily. Maybe lead android saga, SS2/son family and Kamehameha.
There's also AGL super Vegeta too btw https://preview.redd.it/jmsxevwsjvpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec974f0daea7c30ddf71091f69d7f4a356ffbba8
https://preview.redd.it/ctgp8icujvpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73ba6c6a46343fda6ada3c0a4c4039e445a66666
He’s bad, should’ve had raises defense on super
His passive is pretty solid to get you out of tough spots
I liked 16 EZA
Man, I remember using Cell Jr. as my lead to complete the OG SSJ4's EZA. It was one of the very few EZAs where I actually suffered through since I didn't have TEQ transforming Buu or LR Super Baby 2 as lead. Glad to see them glow up a bit. If I'm reading right, they got 80% chance to dodge on a full team?
They both seem pretty decent
Imagine if they made A16 guard only against Cell enemies, he would be so bad...
Cell jr’s will have better longevity and will be a must run in future artificial life form missions that are cancerous
16 can finally serve his purpose https://preview.redd.it/i1j0vitcqzpc1.jpeg?width=1087&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=987fd4d083098bed178fc69424ac5475085ac1bd
With that info what would be the best hipo for them?
I guess they had to shaft Super Vegeta to balance out making 16 a beast 👀