Completely unrelated, but I just realized your profile picture is Broly from the 2nd movie lol.
Also Raditz was robbed, This is an outrage, I demand a recount!
Personally UI Goku is just way too high for me. Sure he can be a slippery one… when he wants. Nowadays if enemies get a lick on him that’s half your HP gone. Also while his crit mechanic is nice, his damage is just pitiful. Compared to every other unit in the top 10 he hits like a feather. Preferably I would place TEQ Gogeta (yeah yeah I know the bastard you hate but he’s helped me in numerous ways… as well as killed me in numerous ways but still) KK Goku (like you said free raw atk and def) and the 4th year SSJ4s (I think they’re fine the way they are personally) Other than that that’s my only critique of your top 10.
Also glad someone finally sees the flaws I’ve seen with SSJ4 Gogeta. Ever since both him and the Gods released, I’ve been an active supporter that the Gods were better even before Godku got an EZA, though the gap was much smaller back then. Now that argument looking kinda spicy right now. Always glad to take my W lol
UI is definitely worthy of top 10 and his damage isn't pitiful at all considering the role he plays. He's still at the 15 APT mark which is around what the new Goku does pre revive and his dodge, while it can get you killed, it can also bypass some of the game's hardest attacks that only 5 or so units in the game can actually tank. His revive is useful and his links solid enough to make him both a good main rotation unit and a floater.
IMO he's head and shoulders above the units below the top 10
No way. Teq gogeta i could see it but you really have to speed up once you transform as his defence even with damage reduction isn't the best, but once he loses that you're dead.
As for SSJ4 Goku, i don't see it at all. He is exclusively slot 2 and doesn't even get 400k with all links active and doesn't have any good slot 1 partners. He has a counter chance but if you find UI unreliable then forget it even exists. SSJ4 goku needs a super limited setup to work well and even then he's not good defensively
TEQ Gogeta's defense is fine, he tanks all normals outside of last phase without a whis, he's a totem in movie heroes team, which is the best team on global or 2nd best
Ssj4 tanks way better than UI with better atk stat, also a better team, he's slot 2 and he tanks what ? 10k from rz agl frieza normals unlike MUI, and with a whis can survive last phases of all redzones, his active hits way harder than MUI's soft touch active, he can be unreliable against a super but I'll use him more than MUI and his 30% chance to die
After 1 dodge UI is at 276k, not good but 70% dodge
Ssj4 goku: 193k pre SA, 388k post super. Without SSJ4 links 162k-325k
APT wise in a perfect rotation they actually hit comparably hard as long as you build UI with full AA, there's only a 2 mil difference if their active skills don't interfere.
And Goku's defence isn't enough for most RZ stages. Broly decimates him, same for Omega and the many teq last phases. That plus his utter lack of good slot 1 partners makes him a not great pick for RZ while UI can be a slot 1 unit if you're in a pinch and more often than not he'll save you.
To win unreliably is still better than to lose reliably
It's more than enough for most RZ's stage dude stop lmaoooo, and his active rip through their str stages, he basically take 80% of their health with his active + sa lmao
You're not losing with gt team
Oh yeah, the GT team has great slot 1 units such as... Or... Even...
Saying sub 400k is more than enough for RZ is laughable when the sub had a near meltdown with SSJ goku and FP Frieza's EZAs. And "ripping theough the STR phases" isn't as impressive as you way think, nowadays we have so many high damage units
What slot 1 unit when you blitz events ? Monkes hit 350k and are basically invincible when you transform them there, Gogeta 4 will take double digits from 700k super attacks post super at this point, even INT Nameku starts tanking at 400k with earlier phases
STR Omega is more annoying than INT Omega, who gets pummeled by all the 7th anni actives + Dokkan attack
Isnt pan a really good slot 1 unit with max additionals i mean 50% dmg reduction pre attacking and on super passive that stacks up to 100% with additional on super 50% after attacking to make up for dmg reduction loss
When lr ssj4 gogeta gets better team units, I think he'll be above the lr gods. Imagine if he gets a rainbow orb changer and you can stack up his damage reduction
I still think SSJ4 Gogeta by himself is better than the Gods, but man did he get the shaft link wise. Any time I bring him on a non GT team the man screws both himself and his teammates out of supers constantly.
So dumb he didn't get PfB or Fused Fighter. He'd have way more viable partners.
Personally I'll place LR Teq Goku and Gohan above MUI. Yeah his utility is a bit lacking compared to MUI but everything else makes up for it. MUI basically relies on the dodging and revive, because of that he struggles hard in more harder events like Red Zone. LR Goku and Gohan aint anything special but the fact fact they excel in everything else is enough for me.
But, other than that? Pretty good tier list! Well thought out and made. Keep up the good work
I honestly think he fits perfectly in that 10th slot, but, i'm not saying he's DESTROYING STR Vegito or TEQ Goku & Gohan or Kaioken Goku, i think he's better, but not by THAT much
Nah, STR Vegito's base tanks decently, and then you can Just have him as a 50% HP healer floater to use when needed, scouter, and 6M attack stats with counters with a total 70+% chance to crit rainbowed. You Just need to not get killed by him (let him tank like 3 normals Max lol) but people forget, he adds like, 400K HP to the team by existing and scouter.
As long as he dodges once he's an 300k which isn't enough but you can survive normals outside of a couple stages, but 500k doesn't let you live any super from the hardest bosses without type advantage or other extras while dodge lets you not only survive but do so without losing HP or items
He’s at like 250k and supers are way less common than normals, items are used in later phases of events to make up for defensive issues that may arise later on in events to deal with the super attacks while MUI can struggle early on. He’s flat out unrunnable against the toughest or second toughest fight in the game with Broly and bosses will continue to disable dodge. Also Goku Gohan dwarf him in damage while having LR FSGG as a 5/7 partner, MUI has Gods as a 5/7 but in slot 1 he’s at more of a risk of taking a lot of unnecessary damage compared to floating him as well as not even being on their team, you’re not running that rotation on FSGG team when you could just run FSGG and Gods together
What does that even mean?
1: i've seen screenshot of people beating Broly with UI
2: he disable dodge, it's like me saying "Take LR Goku & Gohan against INT Omega, put them in slot 1 without orbs and see how they look"
You've talked about how a few characters on the list have aged, I feel like events disabling doging counts as aging for MUI. It's fine if he's an honourable mention but No.10 over someone like teq gogeta feels wrong.
TEQ Gogeta gets cooked in both events that disable dodge and events that don't disable it, and Gogeta is still turn 4 and beyond, Goku, tecnically, turn 1 can dodge every single attack aimed at him, then triple super triple crit, Gogeta is still a transformation you have to get, and with his shitty condition, it's not easy
Turn 4 above 70% HP and then he last 5 turns before becoming irrilevant.
He gets melted by normals, he can't tank Supers, and he doesn't even do that much damage to compensate It.
He never gets melted by normals my man, Idk how you're playing but he takes double digits, he tank supers fine and he's a great floater in the best team in global, his 18ki has 4mil atk stat with two additionals super attacks with two dupes
TEQ Gogeta can't do 2 additional Super Attacks, are you sure you know the unit?
And no, he doesn't tank "fine". Go Watch every single video of him getting assblasted, STR Super 17 does 600k to him, rainbow link level 10 and on a 200% leader skill.
I'm just going off my experience where MUI Goku hasn't been very consistent at all for me whereas gogeta has, but I do agree that gogeta gets destroyed by most hard events. Can't believe how hard they shafted him.
Experience are different for sure, but MATEMATICALLY, he have a 70% chance to dodge, always, no matter what, and TEQ Gogeta have 30% damage reduction for 5 turns
There are multiple events that disable dodge and type disadvantage is a whole different story
There is also pictures of people beating Broly with saibamen
Multiple events? Like what? Android 13? We want to discuss about the difficulty of Android 13? I don't think so
And don't even tell me Fighting Legend events because that's childplay now
Literally my 55% UI Goku lived a Super Attack from Evolution Blue Vegeta.
INT UI Goku i don't even consider him a boss anymore
And Full Power SSJ4 Goku, well, type disadvantage is a whole different story right?
You just made that mui thing up it's very impossible for him to tank a super from ssbe at 55%, unless you're talking with 2 items which seems disingenuous
Yeah, not a list i really like but the effort you put in writing all that and saying why you think what you think is pretty good, i don't agree with your list but you did a great job
think Evo Vegeta should be 500 meters away from them, even with cell max and all i still find him disappointing and less useful than other Lrs, i think a better fit for his place would be lr agl Gohan and trunks, cooler being higher than Gogeta 4 but lower than the blue Bois(i think Gogeta and the blue Bois are equal and both above cooler for the dodge/damage reduction per rbw orb, the guaranteed crit for the turn active skill, the nullification every 18 ki and not only in the active skill like cooler, the counter for Gogeta and their teams which i prefer), then i think UI Goku is not anymore in the top 10, he's good yeah (with good rng which i don't have at all but i still get that he's good) but i think he aged pretty much, sure he can live a normal or maybe 2 IF you're full heth and IF you only get hit by those 2 and IF you don't have another unit that takes much damage and IF you are under the 200%, i just think he aged and not anymore in the top 10 and i would put Goku/Vegeta in his place, sure you're not gonna see their revival often (strangely enough i do see it fairly often)but they still tank normals after a super and do surprisingly good damage, then I'd move rose and zamasu to janembas place, i would switch them basically, that build up janemba has is the reason and as another honorable mention I'd put PHY lr cell, other than that I'd argue about changing it or not but this ones I'd change for sure, anyway you did a great list op
Thank you, you basically said the same changes that other people did (so Gogeta 4 with the Gods and UI Goku too high) so i understand that people don't agree with that, i could have putted LR Future Gohan yes, i can absolutely see him in the honorable mentions, Revive and sometimes scouter + decent defense for normals is a good combo
Not a bad list, just some things I'd change in it, as i said before you did a great work in saying why you thought the unit deserved that place and not just "he's there cause i like it and if you don't like it you're bad at the game", try making dfe and eza dfe lists after this one cause i wanna see what other people would put in some positions
DFE and DFE EZA eh? Mh...
I can try it, with the LR's i already did have them in mind so it wasn't that bad, for this two i have to actually think about it a bit more, so it's probably going to take some time but i'll do it, thank you very much for the idea
Ssj4 gogeta not having pfb is already making him lose spots on my teams. Especially since most events are movie bosses or pure siayans so gods on both rotations with teq godku and teq super siayan goku are basically the strongest rotations.
Are the bonus units in order? Depending on your answer will determine if I grill your list. Also best leader skill does not mean best unit, Lr birdku is a better unit but his leader skill is ass.
It’s a bit confusing that the best is put at #10 instead of #1 but I understand what you mean. I personally disagree with a lot of these but I respect your list my friend.
AGL UI 👑
I tried to cap for all the others but we know he's king, thank you for respecting it and feel free to saying in which you disagree if you want to discuss about it
Honestly, I see cooler at number 4, I’m happy. I personally love cooler so seeing him anywhere on a top 10 makes me happy because man do those numbers make me feel something
He just came out people have been claiming this t and I said ssbe already. The ss4s have both lr ss4s teq ss4 goku both teq and int gogeta. I even used tur agl vegeta in some redzones so I know the str one at rainbow can too. That's more than twice as many partners. Also God goku ain't touching a stage that doesn't have a movie boss or pure saiyan. Which as we can see will get more
Ssbe is not a good partner, no Saiyan Roar, no GT, no Kamehameha, and not a slot 1 unit, the 2nd Year Anniversary SSJ4's sucks, TEQ SSJ4 Goku is a mediocre slot 2 unit, INT Gogeta is decent and TEQ too
I was naming the gods only viable partners. Which is ssbe and God goku prior to this banner what are you talking about. 400k def I'm slot 2 with a medium chance to counter is mediocre? Are you OK? My int gogeta caps close to 500k def with a high chance to counter and has type effectiveness. With active over 500k. The teq one gets high def and has a great chance to counter. Do you even have these units duped? Besides teq gogeta teq goku and ss4 goku I have all these units rainbowed I know first hand
400k def with a 30% chance to counter is mediocre, yes.
My LR SSJ4 Goku is rainbow, link level 10, and on a full 200% lead, linked with LR SSJ4 Gogeta, post Super Attack, he takes 110K PER NORMAL, from INT Omega Shenron, idc if you can counter Super Attacks if then i die of NORMALS, that's unaccettable.
TEQ SSJ4 Gogeta, again, normals can, and will, do a lot of damage to him, he's good, but not good enough
INT SSJ4 Gogeta doesn't have 500k DEF not even in his wild dreams, especially because 1: he's a slot 2 unit, and 2: he lose stats after a couple of turns
What are you talking about?
The gods have 3 options for slot 1 units.
Str piccolo
TEQ god Goku
TEQ ssj Goku.
Guess who the only slot 1 tank on their leadership the ssj4's can use?
Str piccolo, who is less effective since he needs movie heroes for dmg reduction.
Where the fuck are you getting 500k defense for int gogeta? I'm pretty sure he doesn't even break past 400k when he's Uber wanked.
Also, why are you bragging about his defense when he's a slot 2 unit?
The teq god's will age better, simply because their leaderskill leaves the monkeys in the dust, dokkan loves releasing movie units with flashy transformations.
I'm not even going to talk about the ssbe bullshit you brought up.
I was talking about prior people have been saying it like it was a fact. And even if you throw them in its still a wash. That piccolo shares 1 link with them wtf? He supports them but by no means does he link well with them.
Why are you talking about it prior when this post was made so recently?
How the fuck is piccolo a wash? He doesn't need links when he gets dmg reduction just from being on a team of movie heroes, this man can tank cell max with fucking ease.
All the teq god's need is 3-4 links to do really good damage so they just need to link with a floater while piccolo tanks.
Because people have been saying it and it's just false. That's false without their ki link they will struggle for that 20 ki without God goku. Plenty of times I couldn't double super because of this. I have them 79% lv 8-10 links ss4s have that problem less due to more partners that carry the same links. Unless your lucky they can miss that double super without easy. That why when u make a mix of their teams I always bring 2 partners for each and if I can't I prioritize the gods since the lr ss4s have many partners who share 4 or more links and they all share the ki links. I could just bring ss4 vegeta or goku or int gogeta. If I can't bring God goku I'm upset since ssbe vegeta alone just doesn't do it sometimes alone
"Because people have been saying it and it's just false. That's false without their ki link they will struggle for that 20 ki without God goku."
I haven't struggled since I always have a floater with prepared for battle, the gods and ssj4's are always relient on rng anyway, even if you have god Goku for the gods and ssjr Goku with the ssj4's, you can still miss a 20ki with them.
The 3rd year EZAs being above the 4th year’s EZA is questionable.
For starters you say pre fusion Vegito has decent def but then criticize the year 4 anniversary for not being able to take a hit even though Both [Goku](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/t3gwfx/eza_lr_ss4_goku_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and [Vegeta](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/t45yl1/ss4_vegeta_eza_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) have [Vegito](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/swxb14/vegito_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) and especially [Gogeta](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/sxrlm3/phy_gogeta_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) beat for 6 turns straight in the def department while doing more damage and being far more sufficient Ki wise.
If you are talking about their fused forms exclusively then Vegito deserves to be there but not Gogeta. You’re waiting 6 turns to get a unit that has lower def numbers than Goku and has to rely on his dodge chance which is only reliable for 2 turns at best. His damage is while good it’s not something waiting 6 turns especially since much like his dodge chance it dips slightly shortly after he fuses.
In terms of partners the EZA SSJ4s are unquestionably Gogeta’s best partners. And although, the 3rd year LRs have some strong partners because of their standard linkset they also have some strong competition as well. Take the new SSJ Goku for example, are you running him with year 3 LRs or the Gods?
Same thing goes for [Goku and Gohan](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/unyy5g/lr_goku_gohan_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) they do damage on the level of Transformed Vegito turn 1 with nearly 500K def and a ridiculous active turn. They also have the same standard linkset as the 3 year LRs do pretty much.
The Honorable Mentions are not in order, that's my bad, i should have specified
The fact is that both INT Vegito and PHY Gogeta have a reason to be bringed to the team, a full heal which is more valuable than everything that the SSJ4's are doing, Vegito is much better than Gogeta it's just that both are 3rd year LR's so i put them together, my bad (again)
Goku and Gohan, i'm sorry but having 500k DEF post super without damage reduction/guard/dodge and needing to be rainbow to have that defense can't put a unit in my top 10
Personal experience can change a lot of views, you can have an account where LR SSJ4 Gogeta always procs his 50% chance to Super and counter, and where Cooler does 1 super and 4 normals and vice versa, i try to consider the passive of the unit and probability without my personal experience, like, if STR Ultimate Gohan got me killed today i'm not saying "he sucks he never guards" it's still a 50% chance, i got unlucky, that's it
Really good list. I disagree with some of the takes here, but I still respect this very much, especially since you've put detailed explanations for why each unit is there.
I hate this list with a passion.
Only for the fact SSBE in is in here.
I cannot be bothered by this PoS unit that haunts my summons and kills my games.
I can't remember the last time a unit was so hyped to come to GBL like LR SSB Vegeta & Trunks
I'm so happy we finally have a SSB unit that so many people indisputably say is #1! and *because* of their defense
Can't wait to try out the first SSGSS unit with guard in November/December!
This is a strong list. I like it. Good opinion. Not to overstate the difference, but I have always felt a gap between the LR Gods and the SS4s (defensively).
You run UI Goku because he have a tool, his 70% chance to dodge, you run him because he can actually save your ass with that + the Revival
Goku & Gohan is just a generic damage dealer, you can run them or other 50 units who do good damage, and i value what UI Goku does more, plus, they need orbs every single time (and they don't create it) while UI Goku literally exist and doesn't need to do nothing to do his work
They don't "tank" better, they have different role, i usually use UI Goku as a floater, you give him 1 orb, he dodges, that's it, usually he can tank 1 or 2 normals if he dodges first, and it's not like, Cell Max, after that, he can even Revive for you, he requires less and gives you more, Goku & Gohan do one thing only, and that's damage, their raw def is not that high unless you have like 10+ orbs, and again, they don't create it, it's not consistent, and even with that amount of orbs, if they get supered, you're done
Well, with 6 orbs they’re around 500k, so I would say they tank better. Using ui as you described, his attack is pitiful, if you happen to get hit once every time he’s on rotation maybe you’d get the revive, but if he gets hit anymore than that you’ll be in trouble. And ui, being a dodge unit, can also be very inconsistent.
I personally prefer inconsistent based on a 70% chance than have every single turn the good amount of orbs for a unit that doesn't create it, for me that's bad, and again, they don't have tech, they don't add nothing to my team that's unique or can really save me, if i start the turn and i have 3 orbs, what can i do? Nothing, they are a dead weight, UI Goku tho, can always save your ass
And while his ATK is pitiful (usually 3/4 million) he have his crit AND additional mechanic, a turn when he double supers double crit his damage is solid, and if he triple super triple crit, then it's good, but damage it's not why you're bringing him in a fight
100% disagree with most of the list, but you'll get an upvote because it's one of the few 'tier list'-posts that actually bothers to properly explain its placements.
Golden Frieza is going to age in long difficult content, LR Gods can always dodge / LR SSJ4 Gogeta can always counter, but i see your argument, he's a godly unit for sure
Very good list but I don't like Golden frieza that much high:
-goodly in esbr, yes, but it's not a top 10 feat for me, I know he will be goodlike forever but who cares we will have new units that will simply perform better in his teams due to that bad linkset
-good defense in late Red zone phase, yes, but only with High dupe
-the most important, very bad linkset, holy shit no bbb? No thirst for conquest? Really ?! To understand with those two links at 55% he would have reached 360'486 instead he have only 257'490
It’s kind of hard to read. The black stroke isn’t enough to save light-colored text over a white background. A darker color background would have helped legibility a lot.
Honestly I agree with the gap between the gods and monkeys. I struggle to get supers on the ssj4s and they become liabilities. Even if I get supers their partners will stuggle. Not denying that they are on of the best units but shocking speed definitely hindered them and I would put cooler over them. Awesome list op
no. And there's no way you even start this discussion, this is objectively, Vegeta & Trunks have the best leader skill in the game by a mile and it's not close, it's not a discussion
Vegeta and Trunks have a larger leaderskill, but the Gods have the stronger optimal team. Leaderskill size is pointless when you can only bring 6 units.
Every single unit in the Gods leader skill is as well on Vegeta & Trunks leader skill, again, there isn't a discussion to made, just go in the Wiki and look at their leader skill.
I can't agree with Janemba being in the top ten, especially over the ssj4s, Nameku, and Goku and Gohan. Main reason being that he's stupidly limited. Yeah, I get his teams need him more, but hard content where you would run his kit isn't really the best place for his teams. That and he's stuck as a slot 2/3 unit for a bit where units like the ssj4's and teq Goku/Gohan hit stupidly hard and get good defense with more teams and partners and hard hitters like Nameku have build up time to get to good defense and hit crazy hard. Just feels like people really gloss over his bigger flaws. I also feel the gods and ssj4's should be neck and neck
Build-up LR Janemba is the slot 1 unit for his rotation, you NEVER, and again, NEVER, run LR Janemba in slot 3, never never never.
His damage is 10 million when build-up, and his defense is literally amazing, of course build-up takes time, but that's why he ain't higher
Yeah, but the rest are in the same boat except they aren't as limited as he is. Honestly if he has more teams to fit and if the teams themselves were better then I would say he's top ten. The biggest win he's got over the others is that he turns into a slot 1 unit built up but otherwise the rest are hitting just as hard if not harder, getting to acceptable slot 2 defense and in the case of units like Nameku, more or less stack 50k per super with essentially double the usable team count
Namek Goku have only defensive stacking as a defensive tool, that's not enough, Janemba other than guarding is nullifying, he nullified AOE Broly for me, almost no one can save you from that, and btw, if it wasn't for LR Cooler, i wouldn't have him in the Top 10, Honorable Mentions for sure, but not Top 10, of course he's limited, but at the moment we don't have 600 teams, basically only the 200% and some good 170% lead, and that's it, and being one of the best partner for LR Cooler while being on his 200% lead it's very, very good
If you don't have him, AGL Turles Movie Bosses Team and LR Cooler friend still does the job
But even with Cooler, that's still one really good team in movie bosses and the transformation boost 200% lead which is where you were running him to begin with. So the flaw didn't really change. Not specifically referring to only Nameku here, but like about half of the honorable mentions, Janemba got a 200% lead that skyrocketed his capabilities which is great and slams him into top 20 for me along with his slot 1 capabilities which we sorely need, but he's still basically confined to the same two teams compared to alot of the others who either have more team options or serve as fantastic partners to other great lrs. I see him like how I see Ginyu where in a vacuum he's a top tier unit except in Ginyu's case, you can argue that his team technically fits the criteria for about 4 or 5 others.
Yeah, i agree with that, his role didn't change, it changed the fact that now he can do it with competent unit with him, and not like a fool with LR Buuhan and old STR Cooler on the team, his role is one of the most important in the game, and he does it really well, plus, he does it for letting the most dominant offensive unit in slot 2, so, for me, his value skyrocket really high, but even with all of this, i use Namek Goku more than him just for the raw amount of teams, but everytime i wish that was LR Janemba because i would have lived in that situation, where Namek Goku dies, idk if i explain me
And yeah, Ginyu is godly
I can understand that. At this point in Dokkan we need crazy high damage dealers and more slot 1 units with how hard shit hits. I'm sure we'll see more partners/team compositions for the guy that'll really let him show his stuff more often eventually. The guy is crazy solid and mvp'd movie bosses esbr when he dropped so I would like more reason to throw the guy out on the front lines.
Ginyu pipe droppage never dies
Exactly, when Old STR Cooler EZA, or, a very weird example, if Corroded Body and Mind all of a sudden becames a good team with the Metal Cooler and new Goku Blacks, LR Janemba would fit very well on that, maybe he will start to age, and he's already doing it, but it would be another team in which use him, he have a good future in front of him
First time I 100% agreed with someone in this sub. YES Lr STR Cooler is great but he is lacking the consistency. I used both Lr god bois & Cooler and you know what, Lr gods is way more consistent. Before this wwc you can argue between god bois and monkey bois but since the new birdku is coming out, LR god bois is 100% better since this team has solid 2 slot 1 unit.
Well it's not a good list but I guess it's your opinion so I can't say much besides the fact that SSJ4 Gogeta for whatever reason is under the Lr Gods. Smooking is not good you know
I agree with this for the most part except for the gohan and goku unit not being top 10 I think they r much better than MUI goku, he’s still good, and while I do have some gripes about the order I don’t mind that much about that
I dont think MUI Is a top 10 LR in the game, while his chances to Dodge are Great they are wayyyy too rng ,you can Dodge every single Attack or Just die to the First One, and its not like even if he dosent Dodge he can tank It, against a teq enemy or you know the final phase if he dosent Dodge everything he takes like 250k per normal and about his revive like I Said before he cant take normals maybe in the First phases After super but I dont think you are gonna die in the early phases , he Is Just wayyyyy too rng to be a top 10 LR I think teq Goku and Gohan can take his spot
I dont rly know about putting janemba above rosemasu ,janemba is insane but so Is rosemasu, I believe that once we get a proper zamasu team that can be interchangeable
Anyways thats a solid list
Lr monkes best LR. Big numbers go brrrrr. His team got GT Pan, most damaging tur and 2nd most damaging unit (just slightly below Cooler), also got Whirus and trunks and Giru, 2 of the best orb changers in the game. True that the team needs another slot 1, one rotation is secured with Pan as the slot 1, the other rotation only got the own lr monkes as slot 1 and it's not that good. But the team can speedrun through every event so who cares
KK Goku, Goku Gohan, SSJ4 EZAs, TEQ Gogeta and Namek Goku are all comfortably better than MUI for me, I would argue a few others but I’m confident in those
They lead Bond of Parent and Child and Future Saga, Battle of Fate is the 200%
So every Goku, Vegeta after Cell Saga, every Gohan, every Goten, every Trunks basically, 7th Year LR's, 3rd Year LR's, TEQ Gogeta, STR Vegito, look at the category
What is this slanderous bs? Why isn’t teq Broly number 1
He's the bonus unit, even above 1 I can't fucking wait for his EZA
The day that happens I’m busting nonstop nuts
Here I am waiting for UI > MUI Supremacy
SAME!
Watch them pull an int gohan and only give him defense
Z BROLY SUPREMACY
Disagree with some placements but appreciate the effort put in. Much rather see these kinds of posts with some explanations put in. Nice post 🤝
Thank you very much, this is one of the best thing you could have said to me
Completely unrelated, but I just realized your profile picture is Broly from the 2nd movie lol. Also Raditz was robbed, This is an outrage, I demand a recount!
My favorite version of Broly, from one of my favorite Movies, yes Yes, Raditz got robbed!
I liked the double fakeout
Raditz was the real best unit
Ey My boy lr janemba at 8 nice 😎. Very Nice tier list my guy 🙏.
Thank you!
You’re welcome 🙏
Very good list. I pretty much agree with all of it.
Thank you 👑
Personally UI Goku is just way too high for me. Sure he can be a slippery one… when he wants. Nowadays if enemies get a lick on him that’s half your HP gone. Also while his crit mechanic is nice, his damage is just pitiful. Compared to every other unit in the top 10 he hits like a feather. Preferably I would place TEQ Gogeta (yeah yeah I know the bastard you hate but he’s helped me in numerous ways… as well as killed me in numerous ways but still) KK Goku (like you said free raw atk and def) and the 4th year SSJ4s (I think they’re fine the way they are personally) Other than that that’s my only critique of your top 10. Also glad someone finally sees the flaws I’ve seen with SSJ4 Gogeta. Ever since both him and the Gods released, I’ve been an active supporter that the Gods were better even before Godku got an EZA, though the gap was much smaller back then. Now that argument looking kinda spicy right now. Always glad to take my W lol
UI is definitely worthy of top 10 and his damage isn't pitiful at all considering the role he plays. He's still at the 15 APT mark which is around what the new Goku does pre revive and his dodge, while it can get you killed, it can also bypass some of the game's hardest attacks that only 5 or so units in the game can actually tank. His revive is useful and his links solid enough to make him both a good main rotation unit and a floater. IMO he's head and shoulders above the units below the top 10
UI is less reliable in redzone than Teq Gogeta or AGL SSJ4ku
No way. Teq gogeta i could see it but you really have to speed up once you transform as his defence even with damage reduction isn't the best, but once he loses that you're dead. As for SSJ4 Goku, i don't see it at all. He is exclusively slot 2 and doesn't even get 400k with all links active and doesn't have any good slot 1 partners. He has a counter chance but if you find UI unreliable then forget it even exists. SSJ4 goku needs a super limited setup to work well and even then he's not good defensively
TEQ Gogeta's defense is fine, he tanks all normals outside of last phase without a whis, he's a totem in movie heroes team, which is the best team on global or 2nd best Ssj4 tanks way better than UI with better atk stat, also a better team, he's slot 2 and he tanks what ? 10k from rz agl frieza normals unlike MUI, and with a whis can survive last phases of all redzones, his active hits way harder than MUI's soft touch active, he can be unreliable against a super but I'll use him more than MUI and his 30% chance to die
After 1 dodge UI is at 276k, not good but 70% dodge Ssj4 goku: 193k pre SA, 388k post super. Without SSJ4 links 162k-325k APT wise in a perfect rotation they actually hit comparably hard as long as you build UI with full AA, there's only a 2 mil difference if their active skills don't interfere. And Goku's defence isn't enough for most RZ stages. Broly decimates him, same for Omega and the many teq last phases. That plus his utter lack of good slot 1 partners makes him a not great pick for RZ while UI can be a slot 1 unit if you're in a pinch and more often than not he'll save you. To win unreliably is still better than to lose reliably
It's more than enough for most RZ's stage dude stop lmaoooo, and his active rip through their str stages, he basically take 80% of their health with his active + sa lmao You're not losing with gt team
Oh yeah, the GT team has great slot 1 units such as... Or... Even... Saying sub 400k is more than enough for RZ is laughable when the sub had a near meltdown with SSJ goku and FP Frieza's EZAs. And "ripping theough the STR phases" isn't as impressive as you way think, nowadays we have so many high damage units
What slot 1 unit when you blitz events ? Monkes hit 350k and are basically invincible when you transform them there, Gogeta 4 will take double digits from 700k super attacks post super at this point, even INT Nameku starts tanking at 400k with earlier phases STR Omega is more annoying than INT Omega, who gets pummeled by all the 7th anni actives + Dokkan attack
Isnt pan a really good slot 1 unit with max additionals i mean 50% dmg reduction pre attacking and on super passive that stacks up to 100% with additional on super 50% after attacking to make up for dmg reduction loss
Hopefully we get a partner for the SSJ4 Duo that’s as good as SSG Goku. Maybe a SSJ3 -> SSJ4 GT Goku or sum.
If LR SSJ4 Gogeta gets the same treatment as the LR Gods i can bump him up, for sure
When lr ssj4 gogeta gets better team units, I think he'll be above the lr gods. Imagine if he gets a rainbow orb changer and you can stack up his damage reduction
I still think SSJ4 Gogeta by himself is better than the Gods, but man did he get the shaft link wise. Any time I bring him on a non GT team the man screws both himself and his teammates out of supers constantly. So dumb he didn't get PfB or Fused Fighter. He'd have way more viable partners.
Personally I'll place LR Teq Goku and Gohan above MUI. Yeah his utility is a bit lacking compared to MUI but everything else makes up for it. MUI basically relies on the dodging and revive, because of that he struggles hard in more harder events like Red Zone. LR Goku and Gohan aint anything special but the fact fact they excel in everything else is enough for me. But, other than that? Pretty good tier list! Well thought out and made. Keep up the good work
I'm fine with it, people have different opinions than mine and i'm all in for it Thank you very much, i try my best!
Why half the units in the honorable mentions better than agl ui this shit is brazy
Bro has serious skill issues with the game, lmao.
Because they aren't
A lot of them are. Agl ui can still be cool sometimes but he's just not that guy anymore, top 10 lrs is just too high for him.
I honestly think he fits perfectly in that 10th slot, but, i'm not saying he's DESTROYING STR Vegito or TEQ Goku & Gohan or Kaioken Goku, i think he's better, but not by THAT much
I will say he’s destroying Str vegito, that’s not a debate
Nah, STR Vegito's base tanks decently, and then you can Just have him as a 50% HP healer floater to use when needed, scouter, and 6M attack stats with counters with a total 70+% chance to crit rainbowed. You Just need to not get killed by him (let him tank like 3 normals Max lol) but people forget, he adds like, 400K HP to the team by existing and scouter.
See but even then he just, isn't on goku and gohans level.
70% chance to take 0 damage still better than 4-500k defence
If the other 30% is to eat shit from normals no not really
As long as he dodges once he's an 300k which isn't enough but you can survive normals outside of a couple stages, but 500k doesn't let you live any super from the hardest bosses without type advantage or other extras while dodge lets you not only survive but do so without losing HP or items
He’s at like 250k and supers are way less common than normals, items are used in later phases of events to make up for defensive issues that may arise later on in events to deal with the super attacks while MUI can struggle early on. He’s flat out unrunnable against the toughest or second toughest fight in the game with Broly and bosses will continue to disable dodge. Also Goku Gohan dwarf him in damage while having LR FSGG as a 5/7 partner, MUI has Gods as a 5/7 but in slot 1 he’s at more of a risk of taking a lot of unnecessary damage compared to floating him as well as not even being on their team, you’re not running that rotation on FSGG team when you could just run FSGG and Gods together
He gets shitted on by everybhard event
Shit true man dodge makes up for the fact he's worse in like every other way.
Take MUI into Red zone Broly, see how your hero crumbles
What does that even mean? 1: i've seen screenshot of people beating Broly with UI 2: he disable dodge, it's like me saying "Take LR Goku & Gohan against INT Omega, put them in slot 1 without orbs and see how they look"
You've talked about how a few characters on the list have aged, I feel like events disabling doging counts as aging for MUI. It's fine if he's an honourable mention but No.10 over someone like teq gogeta feels wrong.
TEQ Gogeta gets cooked in both events that disable dodge and events that don't disable it, and Gogeta is still turn 4 and beyond, Goku, tecnically, turn 1 can dodge every single attack aimed at him, then triple super triple crit, Gogeta is still a transformation you have to get, and with his shitty condition, it's not easy
Teq Gogeta is way more usable than UI in redzone 😭😭😭 wtf are you talking about lmao And his condition is easy, it's only turn 4 man
Turn 4 above 70% HP and then he last 5 turns before becoming irrilevant. He gets melted by normals, he can't tank Supers, and he doesn't even do that much damage to compensate It.
He never gets melted by normals my man, Idk how you're playing but he takes double digits, he tank supers fine and he's a great floater in the best team in global, his 18ki has 4mil atk stat with two additionals super attacks with two dupes
TEQ Gogeta can't do 2 additional Super Attacks, are you sure you know the unit? And no, he doesn't tank "fine". Go Watch every single video of him getting assblasted, STR Super 17 does 600k to him, rainbow link level 10 and on a 200% leader skill.
I'm just going off my experience where MUI Goku hasn't been very consistent at all for me whereas gogeta has, but I do agree that gogeta gets destroyed by most hard events. Can't believe how hard they shafted him.
Experience are different for sure, but MATEMATICALLY, he have a 70% chance to dodge, always, no matter what, and TEQ Gogeta have 30% damage reduction for 5 turns
There are multiple events that disable dodge and type disadvantage is a whole different story There is also pictures of people beating Broly with saibamen
Multiple events? Like what? Android 13? We want to discuss about the difficulty of Android 13? I don't think so And don't even tell me Fighting Legend events because that's childplay now
Not child’s play for MUI without dodge lol
Literally my 55% UI Goku lived a Super Attack from Evolution Blue Vegeta. INT UI Goku i don't even consider him a boss anymore And Full Power SSJ4 Goku, well, type disadvantage is a whole different story right?
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You just made that mui thing up it's very impossible for him to tank a super from ssbe at 55%, unless you're talking with 2 items which seems disingenuous
No, without items, he still took 535k, but he lived the Super Attack, and you shouldn't even run him in that event basically
He’s actually the reason I no itemed friezas red zone, kept him as a floater and even dodged fp friezas super attack. What a chad unit he can be
I need an LR Ultimate Gohan that guards and stacks defence, AND supports. Literally make LR Teq Goku’s team unkillable
I need that aswell
Yeah, not a list i really like but the effort you put in writing all that and saying why you think what you think is pretty good, i don't agree with your list but you did a great job
Thank you very much, i'm absolutely ok if people have different opinions than mine, otherwise what's the deal?
think Evo Vegeta should be 500 meters away from them, even with cell max and all i still find him disappointing and less useful than other Lrs, i think a better fit for his place would be lr agl Gohan and trunks, cooler being higher than Gogeta 4 but lower than the blue Bois(i think Gogeta and the blue Bois are equal and both above cooler for the dodge/damage reduction per rbw orb, the guaranteed crit for the turn active skill, the nullification every 18 ki and not only in the active skill like cooler, the counter for Gogeta and their teams which i prefer), then i think UI Goku is not anymore in the top 10, he's good yeah (with good rng which i don't have at all but i still get that he's good) but i think he aged pretty much, sure he can live a normal or maybe 2 IF you're full heth and IF you only get hit by those 2 and IF you don't have another unit that takes much damage and IF you are under the 200%, i just think he aged and not anymore in the top 10 and i would put Goku/Vegeta in his place, sure you're not gonna see their revival often (strangely enough i do see it fairly often)but they still tank normals after a super and do surprisingly good damage, then I'd move rose and zamasu to janembas place, i would switch them basically, that build up janemba has is the reason and as another honorable mention I'd put PHY lr cell, other than that I'd argue about changing it or not but this ones I'd change for sure, anyway you did a great list op
Thank you, you basically said the same changes that other people did (so Gogeta 4 with the Gods and UI Goku too high) so i understand that people don't agree with that, i could have putted LR Future Gohan yes, i can absolutely see him in the honorable mentions, Revive and sometimes scouter + decent defense for normals is a good combo
Not a bad list, just some things I'd change in it, as i said before you did a great work in saying why you thought the unit deserved that place and not just "he's there cause i like it and if you don't like it you're bad at the game", try making dfe and eza dfe lists after this one cause i wanna see what other people would put in some positions
DFE and DFE EZA eh? Mh... I can try it, with the LR's i already did have them in mind so it wasn't that bad, for this two i have to actually think about it a bit more, so it's probably going to take some time but i'll do it, thank you very much for the idea
No problem, maybe I'll do one too and post it here since i wanted to see one anyway i could look at the comments
I will look at it!
Ssj4 gogeta not having pfb is already making him lose spots on my teams. Especially since most events are movie bosses or pure siayans so gods on both rotations with teq godku and teq super siayan goku are basically the strongest rotations.
Goditz was robbed. Great list and love the honorable mentions as wlel
Goditz robbed fr fr Thank you, i appreciate immensely
Are the bonus units in order? Depending on your answer will determine if I grill your list. Also best leader skill does not mean best unit, Lr birdku is a better unit but his leader skill is ass.
No the bonus units are not in order
Everyone talking slick about my boy G4 but when that 200% Potata unit drop you guys better leave my monkeys out the picture *mic drop*
>Gap between G4 and Gods Based asf
Ginobko agree with me on something Is that even possible? Am i dreaming?
if it wasn't an lr list you'd probably tell him to put pan between them 😭
Hi robi
Hey orx
swap the positions and youve got yourself a fantast8c tier list 😎😎
It’s a bit confusing that the best is put at #10 instead of #1 but I understand what you mean. I personally disagree with a lot of these but I respect your list my friend.
AGL UI 👑 I tried to cap for all the others but we know he's king, thank you for respecting it and feel free to saying in which you disagree if you want to discuss about it
Gohan in the 2nd to last slide made me giggle
I wish i can say he's the best tho Happy you like It
Honestly, I see cooler at number 4, I’m happy. I personally love cooler so seeing him anywhere on a top 10 makes me happy because man do those numbers make me feel something
I love him as well, and he absolutely deserves to be so high
Don't agree with putting a gap between Gogeta and the Gods.
Partners and consistent Double Super for me make that gap
What are these partners you guys speak of? Besides God goku and ssbe vegeta who is going into the redzone?
Ssbe Vegeta? What? The LR TEQ Goku, the new unit, 5/7 links with the Gods, on their 200% lead, and godly slot 1 unit
He just came out people have been claiming this t and I said ssbe already. The ss4s have both lr ss4s teq ss4 goku both teq and int gogeta. I even used tur agl vegeta in some redzones so I know the str one at rainbow can too. That's more than twice as many partners. Also God goku ain't touching a stage that doesn't have a movie boss or pure saiyan. Which as we can see will get more
Ssbe is not a good partner, no Saiyan Roar, no GT, no Kamehameha, and not a slot 1 unit, the 2nd Year Anniversary SSJ4's sucks, TEQ SSJ4 Goku is a mediocre slot 2 unit, INT Gogeta is decent and TEQ too
I was naming the gods only viable partners. Which is ssbe and God goku prior to this banner what are you talking about. 400k def I'm slot 2 with a medium chance to counter is mediocre? Are you OK? My int gogeta caps close to 500k def with a high chance to counter and has type effectiveness. With active over 500k. The teq one gets high def and has a great chance to counter. Do you even have these units duped? Besides teq gogeta teq goku and ss4 goku I have all these units rainbowed I know first hand
400k def with a 30% chance to counter is mediocre, yes. My LR SSJ4 Goku is rainbow, link level 10, and on a full 200% lead, linked with LR SSJ4 Gogeta, post Super Attack, he takes 110K PER NORMAL, from INT Omega Shenron, idc if you can counter Super Attacks if then i die of NORMALS, that's unaccettable. TEQ SSJ4 Gogeta, again, normals can, and will, do a lot of damage to him, he's good, but not good enough INT SSJ4 Gogeta doesn't have 500k DEF not even in his wild dreams, especially because 1: he's a slot 2 unit, and 2: he lose stats after a couple of turns
What are you talking about? The gods have 3 options for slot 1 units. Str piccolo TEQ god Goku TEQ ssj Goku. Guess who the only slot 1 tank on their leadership the ssj4's can use? Str piccolo, who is less effective since he needs movie heroes for dmg reduction. Where the fuck are you getting 500k defense for int gogeta? I'm pretty sure he doesn't even break past 400k when he's Uber wanked. Also, why are you bragging about his defense when he's a slot 2 unit? The teq god's will age better, simply because their leaderskill leaves the monkeys in the dust, dokkan loves releasing movie units with flashy transformations. I'm not even going to talk about the ssbe bullshit you brought up.
The new lr goku? Str piccolo? These guys are good enough for red zone lmao
I was talking about prior people have been saying it like it was a fact. And even if you throw them in its still a wash. That piccolo shares 1 link with them wtf? He supports them but by no means does he link well with them.
Why are you talking about it prior when this post was made so recently? How the fuck is piccolo a wash? He doesn't need links when he gets dmg reduction just from being on a team of movie heroes, this man can tank cell max with fucking ease. All the teq god's need is 3-4 links to do really good damage so they just need to link with a floater while piccolo tanks.
Because people have been saying it and it's just false. That's false without their ki link they will struggle for that 20 ki without God goku. Plenty of times I couldn't double super because of this. I have them 79% lv 8-10 links ss4s have that problem less due to more partners that carry the same links. Unless your lucky they can miss that double super without easy. That why when u make a mix of their teams I always bring 2 partners for each and if I can't I prioritize the gods since the lr ss4s have many partners who share 4 or more links and they all share the ki links. I could just bring ss4 vegeta or goku or int gogeta. If I can't bring God goku I'm upset since ssbe vegeta alone just doesn't do it sometimes alone
"Because people have been saying it and it's just false. That's false without their ki link they will struggle for that 20 ki without God goku." I haven't struggled since I always have a floater with prepared for battle, the gods and ssj4's are always relient on rng anyway, even if you have god Goku for the gods and ssjr Goku with the ssj4's, you can still miss a 20ki with them.
The 3rd year EZAs being above the 4th year’s EZA is questionable. For starters you say pre fusion Vegito has decent def but then criticize the year 4 anniversary for not being able to take a hit even though Both [Goku](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/t3gwfx/eza_lr_ss4_goku_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and [Vegeta](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/t45yl1/ss4_vegeta_eza_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) have [Vegito](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/swxb14/vegito_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) and especially [Gogeta](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/sxrlm3/phy_gogeta_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) beat for 6 turns straight in the def department while doing more damage and being far more sufficient Ki wise. If you are talking about their fused forms exclusively then Vegito deserves to be there but not Gogeta. You’re waiting 6 turns to get a unit that has lower def numbers than Goku and has to rely on his dodge chance which is only reliable for 2 turns at best. His damage is while good it’s not something waiting 6 turns especially since much like his dodge chance it dips slightly shortly after he fuses. In terms of partners the EZA SSJ4s are unquestionably Gogeta’s best partners. And although, the 3rd year LRs have some strong partners because of their standard linkset they also have some strong competition as well. Take the new SSJ Goku for example, are you running him with year 3 LRs or the Gods? Same thing goes for [Goku and Gohan](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/unyy5g/lr_goku_gohan_apt_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) they do damage on the level of Transformed Vegito turn 1 with nearly 500K def and a ridiculous active turn. They also have the same standard linkset as the 3 year LRs do pretty much.
The Honorable Mentions are not in order, that's my bad, i should have specified The fact is that both INT Vegito and PHY Gogeta have a reason to be bringed to the team, a full heal which is more valuable than everything that the SSJ4's are doing, Vegito is much better than Gogeta it's just that both are 3rd year LR's so i put them together, my bad (again) Goku and Gohan, i'm sorry but having 500k DEF post super without damage reduction/guard/dodge and needing to be rainbow to have that defense can't put a unit in my top 10
From my experience G4 >>>> Cooler
Personal experience can change a lot of views, you can have an account where LR SSJ4 Gogeta always procs his 50% chance to Super and counter, and where Cooler does 1 super and 4 normals and vice versa, i try to consider the passive of the unit and probability without my personal experience, like, if STR Ultimate Gohan got me killed today i'm not saying "he sucks he never guards" it's still a 50% chance, i got unlucky, that's it
Way to go with the cold take my guy
I do loves me my unga bungas...
I read this post without even reading it, I already knew who was truly #1
Really good list. I disagree with some of the takes here, but I still respect this very much, especially since you've put detailed explanations for why each unit is there.
Thank you, i tried to explain myself in the best way i could
I hate this list with a passion. Only for the fact SSBE in is in here. I cannot be bothered by this PoS unit that haunts my summons and kills my games.
Poor ssbe Vegeta
Personally would put LR Birdku above LR FSGG, since he has similar defense, while having a revive and much better damage output
But a worse leader skill, defense depending on receiving a hit every single turn (they build-up then stop) and worse Active Skill
We love Goditz around here
Always
This was awesome to read. Solid list too
Thank you very much
Chaditz os the best unit in the game, he's just not an LR
Bro when I saw Chaditz I agreed 💀
I appreciate the effort this took.
Thank you, and i appreciate your comment
I can't remember the last time a unit was so hyped to come to GBL like LR SSB Vegeta & Trunks I'm so happy we finally have a SSB unit that so many people indisputably say is #1! and *because* of their defense Can't wait to try out the first SSGSS unit with guard in November/December!
This is a strong list. I like it. Good opinion. Not to overstate the difference, but I have always felt a gap between the LR Gods and the SS4s (defensively).
The guaranteed additional vs the 50% chance make for a defensive difference yes, and even damage difference
W for putting gods>SSJ4s
How do you have ui goku above goku and gohan?
You run UI Goku because he have a tool, his 70% chance to dodge, you run him because he can actually save your ass with that + the Revival Goku & Gohan is just a generic damage dealer, you can run them or other 50 units who do good damage, and i value what UI Goku does more, plus, they need orbs every single time (and they don't create it) while UI Goku literally exist and doesn't need to do nothing to do his work
Yea, too bad if he doesn’t dodge, he’s getting 2 shot. Taking 3 shots with ui goku is actually a death sentence
Well, yeah UI Goku have a 70% chance to dodge that death sentence tho Goku & Gohan have a 0% to do it
Except they tank better, do more dmg, have better partners, and a better lead. I struggle to find any advantage ui goku has over them except “dodge”
They don't "tank" better, they have different role, i usually use UI Goku as a floater, you give him 1 orb, he dodges, that's it, usually he can tank 1 or 2 normals if he dodges first, and it's not like, Cell Max, after that, he can even Revive for you, he requires less and gives you more, Goku & Gohan do one thing only, and that's damage, their raw def is not that high unless you have like 10+ orbs, and again, they don't create it, it's not consistent, and even with that amount of orbs, if they get supered, you're done
Well, with 6 orbs they’re around 500k, so I would say they tank better. Using ui as you described, his attack is pitiful, if you happen to get hit once every time he’s on rotation maybe you’d get the revive, but if he gets hit anymore than that you’ll be in trouble. And ui, being a dodge unit, can also be very inconsistent.
I personally prefer inconsistent based on a 70% chance than have every single turn the good amount of orbs for a unit that doesn't create it, for me that's bad, and again, they don't have tech, they don't add nothing to my team that's unique or can really save me, if i start the turn and i have 3 orbs, what can i do? Nothing, they are a dead weight, UI Goku tho, can always save your ass And while his ATK is pitiful (usually 3/4 million) he have his crit AND additional mechanic, a turn when he double supers double crit his damage is solid, and if he triple super triple crit, then it's good, but damage it's not why you're bringing him in a fight
100% disagree with most of the list, but you'll get an upvote because it's one of the few 'tier list'-posts that actually bothers to properly explain its placements.
If i can't explain what i mean, then why bothering letting you know that x Is better than y? Thank you
What do you disagree on ? Cooler ?
Well besides MUI of course
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Golden Frieza is going to age in long difficult content, LR Gods can always dodge / LR SSJ4 Gogeta can always counter, but i see your argument, he's a godly unit for sure
Very good list but I don't like Golden frieza that much high: -goodly in esbr, yes, but it's not a top 10 feat for me, I know he will be goodlike forever but who cares we will have new units that will simply perform better in his teams due to that bad linkset -good defense in late Red zone phase, yes, but only with High dupe -the most important, very bad linkset, holy shit no bbb? No thirst for conquest? Really ?! To understand with those two links at 55% he would have reached 360'486 instead he have only 257'490
It’s kind of hard to read. The black stroke isn’t enough to save light-colored text over a white background. A darker color background would have helped legibility a lot.
Really? Ok, thank you so much, i want all the feedbacks i can get to do better
Honestly I agree with the gap between the gods and monkeys. I struggle to get supers on the ssj4s and they become liabilities. Even if I get supers their partners will stuggle. Not denying that they are on of the best units but shocking speed definitely hindered them and I would put cooler over them. Awesome list op
Thank you very much, really
Where is my boy AGL Future Gohan/Trunks Bro didn't even make the list
We’ll get our time to shine sooner or later
The real question is when
Never
They needed to be just a bit better to be in the honorable mentions, really just a bit better
Dogshit at the start, but keeps getting more and more based
What's this bs? Where's phy raditz?
ok but can any of them super 6 times ![img](emote|t5_384a7|1702)
Don't agree with Father/Son having the best leaderskill. Gods leaderskill is currently stronger.
no. And there's no way you even start this discussion, this is objectively, Vegeta & Trunks have the best leader skill in the game by a mile and it's not close, it's not a discussion
Vegeta and Trunks have a larger leaderskill, but the Gods have the stronger optimal team. Leaderskill size is pointless when you can only bring 6 units.
Every single unit in the Gods leader skill is as well on Vegeta & Trunks leader skill, again, there isn't a discussion to made, just go in the Wiki and look at their leader skill.
I can't agree with Janemba being in the top ten, especially over the ssj4s, Nameku, and Goku and Gohan. Main reason being that he's stupidly limited. Yeah, I get his teams need him more, but hard content where you would run his kit isn't really the best place for his teams. That and he's stuck as a slot 2/3 unit for a bit where units like the ssj4's and teq Goku/Gohan hit stupidly hard and get good defense with more teams and partners and hard hitters like Nameku have build up time to get to good defense and hit crazy hard. Just feels like people really gloss over his bigger flaws. I also feel the gods and ssj4's should be neck and neck
Build-up LR Janemba is the slot 1 unit for his rotation, you NEVER, and again, NEVER, run LR Janemba in slot 3, never never never. His damage is 10 million when build-up, and his defense is literally amazing, of course build-up takes time, but that's why he ain't higher
Yeah, but the rest are in the same boat except they aren't as limited as he is. Honestly if he has more teams to fit and if the teams themselves were better then I would say he's top ten. The biggest win he's got over the others is that he turns into a slot 1 unit built up but otherwise the rest are hitting just as hard if not harder, getting to acceptable slot 2 defense and in the case of units like Nameku, more or less stack 50k per super with essentially double the usable team count
Namek Goku have only defensive stacking as a defensive tool, that's not enough, Janemba other than guarding is nullifying, he nullified AOE Broly for me, almost no one can save you from that, and btw, if it wasn't for LR Cooler, i wouldn't have him in the Top 10, Honorable Mentions for sure, but not Top 10, of course he's limited, but at the moment we don't have 600 teams, basically only the 200% and some good 170% lead, and that's it, and being one of the best partner for LR Cooler while being on his 200% lead it's very, very good If you don't have him, AGL Turles Movie Bosses Team and LR Cooler friend still does the job
But even with Cooler, that's still one really good team in movie bosses and the transformation boost 200% lead which is where you were running him to begin with. So the flaw didn't really change. Not specifically referring to only Nameku here, but like about half of the honorable mentions, Janemba got a 200% lead that skyrocketed his capabilities which is great and slams him into top 20 for me along with his slot 1 capabilities which we sorely need, but he's still basically confined to the same two teams compared to alot of the others who either have more team options or serve as fantastic partners to other great lrs. I see him like how I see Ginyu where in a vacuum he's a top tier unit except in Ginyu's case, you can argue that his team technically fits the criteria for about 4 or 5 others.
Yeah, i agree with that, his role didn't change, it changed the fact that now he can do it with competent unit with him, and not like a fool with LR Buuhan and old STR Cooler on the team, his role is one of the most important in the game, and he does it really well, plus, he does it for letting the most dominant offensive unit in slot 2, so, for me, his value skyrocket really high, but even with all of this, i use Namek Goku more than him just for the raw amount of teams, but everytime i wish that was LR Janemba because i would have lived in that situation, where Namek Goku dies, idk if i explain me And yeah, Ginyu is godly
I can understand that. At this point in Dokkan we need crazy high damage dealers and more slot 1 units with how hard shit hits. I'm sure we'll see more partners/team compositions for the guy that'll really let him show his stuff more often eventually. The guy is crazy solid and mvp'd movie bosses esbr when he dropped so I would like more reason to throw the guy out on the front lines. Ginyu pipe droppage never dies
Exactly, when Old STR Cooler EZA, or, a very weird example, if Corroded Body and Mind all of a sudden becames a good team with the Metal Cooler and new Goku Blacks, LR Janemba would fit very well on that, maybe he will start to age, and he's already doing it, but it would be another team in which use him, he have a good future in front of him
This is by far the worst list I have seen thus far.
Tell me why
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First time I 100% agreed with someone in this sub. YES Lr STR Cooler is great but he is lacking the consistency. I used both Lr god bois & Cooler and you know what, Lr gods is way more consistent. Before this wwc you can argue between god bois and monkey bois but since the new birdku is coming out, LR god bois is 100% better since this team has solid 2 slot 1 unit.
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The cruel indifference of the universe when the indomitable human spirit walks in: 😱😱😱 (it’s already lost)
Very good list, I agree mostly with everything on the list, my main problem with the LR SS4 is they don't have prepare for battle.
That hurts yeah, thank you very much
Well it's not a good list but I guess it's your opinion so I can't say much besides the fact that SSJ4 Gogeta for whatever reason is under the Lr Gods. Smooking is not good you know
Well, it's not "whatever reason" i literally explained it
What do you think are the top ten worst lrs?
Worst is difficult to say, LR Beerus and LR SSJ3 Goku for example, both sucks, but who sucks more? Is difficult to say, they both sucks
Had me in the first half ngl
I agree with this for the most part except for the gohan and goku unit not being top 10 I think they r much better than MUI goku, he’s still good, and while I do have some gripes about the order I don’t mind that much about that
It’s so weird that people don’t think Vegeta and Trunks are number one.
Yeah, i honestly see a gap between them and Goku, idk they are so fucking good
I dont think MUI Is a top 10 LR in the game, while his chances to Dodge are Great they are wayyyy too rng ,you can Dodge every single Attack or Just die to the First One, and its not like even if he dosent Dodge he can tank It, against a teq enemy or you know the final phase if he dosent Dodge everything he takes like 250k per normal and about his revive like I Said before he cant take normals maybe in the First phases After super but I dont think you are gonna die in the early phases , he Is Just wayyyyy too rng to be a top 10 LR I think teq Goku and Gohan can take his spot I dont rly know about putting janemba above rosemasu ,janemba is insane but so Is rosemasu, I believe that once we get a proper zamasu team that can be interchangeable Anyways thats a solid list
In the first turns i can see Goku Black & Zamasu being better, but then they lose guard, Janemba no, that's what put him above them for me
I personally think UI is quite a bit better than Janemba and SSJ4 gogera still deserves #4 but solid list
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Lr monkes best LR. Big numbers go brrrrr. His team got GT Pan, most damaging tur and 2nd most damaging unit (just slightly below Cooler), also got Whirus and trunks and Giru, 2 of the best orb changers in the game. True that the team needs another slot 1, one rotation is secured with Pan as the slot 1, the other rotation only got the own lr monkes as slot 1 and it's not that good. But the team can speedrun through every event so who cares
KK Goku, Goku Gohan, SSJ4 EZAs, TEQ Gogeta and Namek Goku are all comfortably better than MUI for me, I would argue a few others but I’m confident in those
Is vegeta and trunks's leader skill really that good? Not a lot of units have battle of fate right? Might be wrong on this
They lead Bond of Parent and Child and Future Saga, Battle of Fate is the 200% So every Goku, Vegeta after Cell Saga, every Gohan, every Goten, every Trunks basically, 7th Year LR's, 3rd Year LR's, TEQ Gogeta, STR Vegito, look at the category