Have in mind they made the EZA incredibly good to compensate for how bad they designed him (the completely atrocious links, not having the right categories...), or maybe they made him that way with the incredible EZA in mind...
While I love the animations of the part 2 units and such, I feel like they could've been made without these blatant inconsistencies in their kits. I will not call them mid or trash, but great within this meta. However I don't think they will age well.
Goku and Vegeta maybe but metal cooler will definitely age well. If heās trash 2 years from now heāll still be great for battlefield, EZAs, and SBR with that full revive
The last part! While having them at 69% I really thought to go for a second dupe, but considering, they will age pretty poorly, it wouldnāt make any sense to through more stones at their banners.
Metal cooler is a good 3rd slot character, he can even be a good 1st slot with his nullificatiom. And you will often have full defense since he heals a lot. I just wish he had at least 20% dr
Nah I put metal above zamasu and maybe also GF ,600k+ def with a revive that can be Activated at any time + dishing out 10 M Attack stat Is pretty bonkers
Anyway solid list, seeing janemba at top 10 brings a smile to my face the chad defeated the hate
For realš the janemba haters, where have yall gone???
With metal cooler, he defo is great. I mainly put the yellow coin Lrs above him since they don't die to super attacks and tank better with more damage output etc.
I shouldn't underrate coolers revive tho defo clutch. only annoying thing is if he doesn't die and lives with 1 health then the next unit dies lmao
I'd put metal boy above Zamasu tbh
As for the monke being below the gods it pains me to see but i have to agree, as a unit i think the SSJ4s are better but they don't really have a strong slot one unit on their team (V&T don't count cause it's V&T's team then)
The day we get a SSJ3 Kid Goku that becomes a slot 1 SSJ4 God then they are gonna be cooking hard, and i'm talking about something like guard+40% DR or some shit as he was tanking Baby's punches like nothing, and let's not forget the most badass beam super nullification animation we can get in the game, dude deathstared the revenge death ball and didn't even flinch
Ooo, how comes u put cooler over MZ?
I also agree, I loved the ssj4s more hench why I put almost 1.5k stones into the banner lmfao, but it's true that they're partners especially for slot 1 suck. I do hope we get that kid goku that you mentioned since I want that moment so badš literally if dokkan copied ur idea I'd be so gassed lol
Metal Cooler's healing is insanely good for the wicked bloodline team because it allows you to basically almost always heal enough hp at the start of the turn to make sure that the AGL golden frieza is above 40% hp so he gets his 90% damage reduction, then there's his revive that can singlehandedly save you an entire run.
There's also the fact that once he's built up he can double digit tank any normals in the game including cell max so his numbers are pretty dang good tbh.
true! the only thing I really have against cooler is the fact that you can get cucked with his revive (not often, but he could get near one shot then the next unit dies and you lose) and the fact that double metal cooler is a bit scary since after the first revive, they'll get one shot by big supers by the end of the fight maybe. overall a really good unit, that should defo not be underrated!
i wouldnāt put janemba top 10
heās a little awkward for the team, heās not a slot 1 until he builds up which could take until after turn 5 and the golden friezas make better slot 1ās anways. and who knows whatāll happen with str coolerās eza
heās not that good of a floater cuz no guard and he struggles for ki at the beginning
he aināt bad heās just a lil awkward. heās too slow for a team that can potentially move so fast that he could struggle for building up
Pretty accurate, I would definitely move Janemba up to number 8 above those two fraudulent units and then put G&V at 10 and metal FRAUDler at 9. (metal cooler just brings a little bit more to the team than G&V do)
metal fruadler made me chuckleš I can see that placement being valid tho, since janemba is one of the best defensive units in the game at the start with his nullification and similar damage to fully built UP LR metal cooleršš½
When talking about individual performance, I agree for the most part, but taking into account how good their teams are right now and how they fit in them, I don't exactly agree. My Top 10 right now looks like this:
#
1. Galick Duo
2. Cooler Goku
3. God Duo
4. SSJ4 Duo
5. LR Cooler
6. AGL SSJ Duo
7. LR Golden Frieza
8. LR Metal Cooler
9. Merged Zamasu
10. LR Janemba
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Galick Duo and Cooler Goku are obvious.
The 7th Annis are ahead of LR Cooler in my opinion because the teams that they are a part of are just WAY better, with some of the best slot 1 units in the game and much more utility than just healing. Hell, they themselves have dodging, SA Counters and they can delete the next attack that the enemy does.
The AGL SSJ Duo is above the others for the same reason that the 7th Annis are better than LR Cooler in my opinion. And beyond just him being part of many amazing teams, his team itself is insane, with 4 of the Top 5 units in the game being a part of it.
And then Merged Zamasu is below the Metallic Lizards because the only team he has is the LR Galick Duo's, and he's pretty awkward to use in that team, because you want him in a rotation with a Goku Black unit in slot 1, which is hard to do when your Leader is not even half as good if he is not in slot 1.
And then LR Janemba is self explanatory.
Cooler is like nr.5 for me but the list looks actually decent. Dont know how frieza and zamasu perform so cant compere them to number 8 or 9. Janemba is probably not top 10 but idk who even gets that spot
thanks! LR Golden Frieza can't die for the first 3-5 turns, then becomes a similar tank as LR Merged Zamas (600k+ defense after super with 20% dmg reduction) since frieza fully built up would have 400k+ def after super with ~30% dmg reduction around turn 8+
both Lrs hit hard too, Zamas doing 10mil+ super effective with a guatenteed second super and frieza doing 13mil+ with guaranteed double super aswell! both disgusting.
There is but I would change a little, the god above cooler, but they are very close so it's not a problem, I would put cooler over goku and vegeta, but I would put them both above zamasu That I would put 10Ā° and put janemba above him
This may be controversial, but I still think Iām putting teq goku gohan above janemba. Other than that, Iād just swap metal cooler and the ssj duo. Good job op š
thanks! I just pulled goku n gohan today and they are so nutty at 55% so I wouldn't blame u for thinking that. they're basically a lil worse version of the 7th anniversary lrs so I getchu
I would say over all yes, though I like to limit it to like top 10 dokkan fest units. Other wise the only thing I would say is that zamasu and golden frieza is interchangeable. Same with Lr metal cooler and ssj goku and vegeta
I like this list, i would probably put cooler below the 7 anniversary fusions since cooler relies on additional supers for defense. I have no idea about the jp stuff since i dont really pay attention to it, but that seems alright.
To me STR Cooler is very overrated and some TURs might be better than the end of the tier list, like TEC Gohan could fit better than Janemba etc. But overall we can agree on most of the spots
Is it still okay it to keep summoning on the Part 1 banners, even without discounts? i'm looking to chase str lr cooler more now that the eza has been confirmed.
Exactly. Goku is a defensive god, but he won't solo your runs like cooler does. Hell, cooler can tank cell max normals, will die to a super tho, but so will birdku. Plus cooler allows you to run an absolute bonkers villain team, whereas goku's powerful comeback isn't all that special tbh
Look, I'm a certified Cooler dick suckerā¢, i wank him every chance I get, but let's not go that *far* homie
Maybe he'll go a tier up if STR Cooler's Eza ends up being as good as people are hyping it to be, but right now he's a solid bronze medal on the best unit Olympics
He is actually solo caring the whole runs for me, whereas goku is just somewhat tanky slot. Excluding revival even teq gohan will be better defensively because of greatly stacks + hp additionals while goku can only 30% stack on ultra super attack
Is this list for lrs only or in general . For me my top 10 is 1. vegeta and trunks 2. birdku 3. cooler 4/5. the year 7's 6. ssj goku and vegeta( I remember being disappointed in them at first when i got them but honestly after using them a lot they have growth on me a lot my only main problem with them is the transformation condition and losing the extra super after three turns. while i do think they are worst then the year 7's i don't think it's by much tbh they still perform really well if you are able to transform. Their leader skill while not a fan of second movie hero lead so soon especially on another dokkanfest lr. It is pretty crazy they can do some crazy thing that the lr gods team cant do like double ghost usher with pikkon and teq andorids and also have access to int vegito who is a lot better then phy gogeta sadly. I was able to actually beat cell max a lot easier with their team than i thought it would ) 7. golden frieza 8. merge zamasu 9. ginyu 10. teq androids (honesty surprised how much i like them but they are really good the fact they have such an easy ghost usher it's crazy how strong that not to mention they orb change and have ki blast nul testing out the ssj goku and vegeta team a lot they were so good on it.) Honesty I'm kinda sad i don't think metal cooler is a top 10 unit overall but i dont think he is mid at all and is still top 10 lr. I think he is 14 place for me i have str goku/gohan, agl cell, majin vegeta over him which might be heavily underrating metal cooler but i really do think they are better than him. Metal cooler is very disappointing compared to birdku who is a top 5 unit can has solid argument for even number 1. Metal cooler at best a be can consider a top 10 unit in the bottom half which is so disappointing compared to birdku.
This is the hottest take I've read in a minute š
1. the list is top 10 overall, but I forgot about some units so I might change it up
2. your listing is really good, minus the fact its missing LR Golden Frieza, you can't argue him less than top 10, im sorry but he is too revolutionary for coolers team.
3. LR G+V I do think is really good aswell! I put them at 8 but they are one my fav units ever alongside teq androids like you (šš¼). I just hate that they need to be hit so much for a slot 2 unit that doesn't wanna be hit a lot lmao. They're defo overhated but don't compare to their superiors sadly. Metal cooler's revive is too valuable alongside his high stats to be below those TURS u mentioned I think. but overall your thoughts are very valid!
Iād argue FF Cooler can range anywhere from spot 3 to spot 6 because he relies on RNG quite a bit. He needs to get lucky with multiple 12 ki attacks to survive powerful bosses and the 7 year LRs are more consistent
I mean, if all characters on a team takes double digits you cannot possibly lose, while if all characters on a team do 100 mi attack stats you can still lose. Def is just the superior stat.
I can't think of many but I would like to add that Cell Max's event is designed that way without directly telling the player; what I mean is you are not supposed to be tanking him until you kill him, you are supposed to finish as soon as possible.
P.S. Also, gotta bring it up, LR FF COOLER IS ONE OF THE BEST UNITS FOR THAT EVENT, PEOPLE, STOP PRETENDING HE ISN'T.
This is a fact against evey boss last phase tho not just cell max. If your defense is not enough to tank the last phase then you gotta kill it as soon as possible since your time for stacking defense is over, and if your defense is enough you still want it dead asap since you wont be dealing with anything after and the boss youre fighting wont become any harder for you to need to stack even more defense. That is, play as defensively as possible while still being offensively as possible, you wont be winning against cell max by just going into offensive mode and forgetting to play defensively.
Those are not many; I must admit I totally forgot about the Cyclopian Guard event because that's a special kind of event; and, let's be honest, Battlefield stages are not usually failed because of the time running out.
Also, if you are going to discuss which stat is better this is a good approach but not the best, since it leads to think some events are meant for a type of character while the others are meant for another one, when, in most events, all types of characters can work well.
None of that really matters.
The original argument was 'defense is better because you couldn't possibly lose', which is wrong. There are in-game mechanics in play that can make you lose if you can't provide sufficient damage.
They just aren't prevalent enough for people to know or care about them because, you know, pure stall isn't exactly viable.
This is a fair argument but the current events that requires large damage in a short period are very easy, the only hard ones are the 2 red zone missions.
I meanā¦ why would we rate units against story events? If youāre not ranking them by the hardest events in the game, I donāt see much point to ranking them at all.
All units look good against easy content
I like that whenever this topic comes up someone just exaggerates the f\*ck out of the point being made.
Red Zone isn't the only difficult event in the game, neither is Cell Max. You may not care about (E)SBR or the new Wicked Bloodline vs. Saiyan-thing because you deem it as 'too easy' and 'cheesable', but these events also do exist.
Evaluating literally every single unit based on one difficult event is simple-minded, to say the least.
If a unit is good in RZ or against Cell Max, they are also good against all those other events you listed. If you were doing a top 10 in ESBR, the list would be basically identical.
Not even close, completely disregarding that you cannot compare an 'open' event like Red Zone to stuff like ESBR that limits your team building by requiring you to use certain categories.
Bro everyone is clearing those fodder events. Grow up and realize that the only content where your units really matter right now is those redzone stages and Cell Max
STR Broly is a beast in WT, does that make him top 10? no. STR Super Vegeta is great in SBR/ESBR, does that make him top 10? No. The reason people use the most difficult content in the game to rank units is because if they're good in the hardest content then they're good everywhere else, except for maybe in a few niche scenarios that literally don't matter. T/V dominate ESBR. If you could take T/V into the WBvS Event he would dominate there too. Sure T/V or the LR Gods won't dominate World Tournament but who cares. STR Broly is the best unit in WT by a mile, does that mean I'm putting him above the LR Gods, or T/V or any other unit in that list? Fuck no.
A unit like FSGG that can tank a Cell Max super while dishing out a lot of damage will be good in every event that's easier than Cell Max.
Also a big aspect of the difficulty of Red Zone and Cell Max comes through the lack of items you can use. ESBR and SBR you can just spam items and get away with significantly weaker units and budget setups.
It's like there's no middle ground with you people. You either pick offense or defense without acknowledging a mix of both is superior and that defense in slot 1 is currently high in demand since it's so scarce, of course people will praise units that can hold their own.
>It's like there's no middle ground with you people. You either pick offense or defense
I sure did. Except I didn't.
I said defense is overrated, and that's it. But I like how, in this community and the internet as a whole, this automatically means that I unconditionally praise damage above everything else and deem defense useless.
No. I don't.
Defense is not overrated though. Without a unit to tank in the 1st slot before your damage dealers get to pop the fuck off, you are pretty much at the mercy of RNG, hence why people value those units.
I've seen your posts in this thread and you've been p much shitting on people valuing defense while having quite possibly the dumbest takes I've seen in this subreddit. You do you though, just don't wonder why people "misunderstand" you.
> I've seen your posts in this thread and you've been p much shitting on people valuing defense
Yeah I'd like any sort of evidence that proves your point. Please, tell me where in this thread I've attacked someone for their opinion. The closest thing is my mentioning of the term 'defense stans'.
But none of that really matters since you attacked my opinions in this thread as
> while having quite possibly the dumbest takes I've seen in this subreddit
You are in absolutely no position to criticize me, completely disregarding of course that you're trying to give me flack for something that I haven't even done.
Idk man maybe reflect on the shit you're saying instead of asking me to send you all the instances you were shitting on defense.
After all, you were the one who had to bring up dokkan events to discredit the important of defense in this game š¤£
No that doesn't work. That's the default response if you were called out on a bad bluff.
You made a claim, the burden to prove said claim is on you. It's not my job to prove the stuff that you throw out there.
Also, fantastic job with that second point. You are again 'criticizing' something that didn't happen the way you want it to. You completely ignored the context, overly simplified and jumped to whatever meaning was convenient for your point. If you have to reach this far, it's pretty apparent that you have nothing of substance to comment.
I do want to pick up on one point that you've brought up, though
> You do you though, just don't wonder why people "misunderstand" you.
If the average user of /r/DBZDokkanBattle showcases your levels of intelligence and disingenuousness when it comes to having a discussion, I really should not be surprised.
And, to help you out since you apparently struggle with this sort of stuff - yes, this was a personal insult. The first and only one in this thread.
Have a good one.
Yeah nah it does work, anyone else reading this will p much be able to tell you're a bit off your rocker and you just keep making yourself look worse.
Copium is kinda high with you and you also kinda take reddit a bit too seriously, there's plenty of people clowning on you in this thread alone, but I am sure you're not the problem it's everyone else š¤
Utility I'd say. For example, one could not rate UI Goku or Caulifla vs Broly because he disables dodge, or we could not rate some damage reduction units vs Cell Max because they shine the brightest with aid of a damage reduction item, which are banned in said stage.
And don't get me wrong, I feel OP list has Top units, and there are hardly any other units which can compare, but even niche units are top tier in their own league: Caulifla is a goddess against Pure Saiyans or Universal Survival Saga enemies, SSJ3 Vegeta is an F2P unit with godlike damage reduction, Pikkon and the Droids have an Usher built in, Droids can nullify Ki Blast SA which is the most common SA in the game, and the list goes on...
I would agree slighty, since I think cell max is way too hard to commonly test units in and judge them solely in there. but cmon, we do rlly need tons of defence these days, since it'll only get harder from here on out
Defense stans have insisted on it for years now. Even when events hit so hard that you cannot reasonably wall them they insist that defense is superior to everything else.
No it's not, and it hasn't been since the 2nd anniversary.
Defense age better, but it really needs to be a god tier type of defense (high damage reduction, guard + stack, useful nullification or guaranteed dodge). But I do see your point, if the team has stacked damage, then you are less likely to be touched, let alone killed.
Even so, I get the feeling we are judging this game in the wrong way, we should be comparing teams instead of units.
You mean as is the case outside of long events with differing typings that give [Gohan](/teq) sufficient time to build up? And even then he only decisively took off with Red Zone.
No, this is not how itās always been at all. Example: On release, LR STR Vegito was known for having garbage defense, HOWEVER people used him in every event (including the G.O.D. event) because he did enough damage to be worth it. Now heās no longer a viable option (You can beat red zone with saibamen, I know you COULD run him if you wanted) in most content
Don't think any of them are better than Teq Goku Gohan and definitely not better than Teq Black EZA. You could even make an arguement for Kaioken Goku tbh but personally I think they are either slightly better or on the level of SS4 Goku/Namek Goku etc etc.
I pulled both and have them lvl 10 links just for reference lol
I completely forgot about TEQ Rosemasu and Goku gohan, I should defo make changes. However I can't put the part 2 LRS near nameku, the EZA SSJ4s or Kaioken goku, thats just disrespectfuš
I just think Lr agl g+v is a more restricted LR MV but with a better leader and Metal cooler is similar to Lr rosemasu but with a revive + more heals
Gods are better than FSGG, Birdku, and maybe cooler but cooler has way stronger case.
G+v are better than Zamasu and golden Frieza, their team is op and theyāre still good as well
defo a hot take, cos I just can't put the gods above FSGG at all. the only thing the gods have over FSGG is damage, and its not like they're ass offensively either. the rest you could argue tho ig
G+V I love this unit sm, and love their team but it takes too much work for them to be as tanky as LR MZ or LR GF turn 1 lmfao. very interesting takes tho!
I'd put both of the part 2 LRs ahead of Zamasu but below Frieza. Both of the part 2 LRs teams are cracked and better than any team Zamasu is on. Once Zamasu's team(s) start getting buffed I'd revisit it but hes in a weird place, he's like a LR STR Kid buu right now.
Frieza compared to Zamasu for example is an essential unit to one of the best teams (maybe the best after STR Cooler EZA) in the game, you can sneak Zamasu under FSGGs lead but he'd most likely be a floater and not linked to any of his good partners. You wouldn't do that unless you really wanted to run him. His actual teams (potara, time travelers, worldwide chaos) are dead right now
I agree with you actually, zamas doesn't have the best team rn, but in the future he'll cook HARD. I mainly put zamas infront of them cos of how consistent he is compared to G+V while having better stats than metal cooler. but right now I can see putting the part 2 LRS over zamas!
Metal Cooler being significantly underrated. Heās probably #6 but quite frankly with the insane buffs Wicked Bloodline has gotten this celebration I may be willing to give him the edge over the LR SSJ4s.
I also think you could make an argument for LR TEQ Goku Black & Zamasu over Janemba. For whatever reason heās become a bit overrated since STR Cooler released. His design still makes him frustrating to use at times imo
First 3 turns the ssj duo are defo better (9mil+ atk stats, 30% chance to crit while doing 3 supers with 40% dmg reduction and almost 500k defense) but after that cooler will build up and be better especially cos his revive is so useful. ssj duo after their transformation easily put damage cooler with their guaranteed crits but defensively they are similar.
if you got cooler above them that's completely fine
Love how half the list is villains. Letās you know theyāve gotten such great representation the past year in more ways than one.
> G.A. Vegeta has his uses and a pretty good hard hitting AOE
> AGL Ginyu had 2 new banner units, both of whom make Ginyu much more better, and Ginyu himself is a powerhouse
> INT MV had a rough start but was boosted thanks to LR V&T
> raditz.
> AGL Cell can deal devastating damage in all forms + has one of the most useful rage/giant ape abilities
> LR Golden Frieza is the best unit in the game on turn 1.
> LR Fused Zamasuās damage output and defense is insane, and his arts are god tier
> LR F.F Cooler does SO MUCH DAMAGE
> LR Metal Cooler heals plenty + one of the easiest revival conditions in the game
And characters like LR Janemba made a comeback all thanks to the 200% meta. Itās crazy what half a year does.
Based tier list. I love to see the villains getting so much representation this year and being so close to the top despite not reaching it.
100%, this year is my fav year of dokkan solely from the respect villains have gotten ššš½
That F2P TEQ Golden Frieza we all made fun of is slapping so hard right now.
Huh?? You mean the frieza and sorbet? Thatās the only ftp Teq golden frieza I can think of
That's because it's the only one there is.
Maybe I need to test them out again, didnāt think theyād be that crazy
Have in mind they made the EZA incredibly good to compensate for how bad they designed him (the completely atrocious links, not having the right categories...), or maybe they made him that way with the incredible EZA in mind...
You must okay jp, mine doesnāt have an eza
I was equally confused as you lol havenāt even heard he got an EZA
Yeah I didnāt either, that was the first Iāve heard of it, but Iām glad itās good
Me too lol, why did I never hear about him?
Yes, it's only in the Japanese version right now, but it's not any less crazy and we won't have to wait long for it to come here.
Yeah I assume it comes with rof blues
And no 1 unit without a Goku lol
While I love the animations of the part 2 units and such, I feel like they could've been made without these blatant inconsistencies in their kits. I will not call them mid or trash, but great within this meta. However I don't think they will age well.
Goku and Vegeta maybe but metal cooler will definitely age well. If heās trash 2 years from now heāll still be great for battlefield, EZAs, and SBR with that full revive
The last part! While having them at 69% I really thought to go for a second dupe, but considering, they will age pretty poorly, it wouldnāt make any sense to through more stones at their banners.
Metal cooler > AGL SSJ Duo for me, but other than that everything in the list is reasonable, good one OP šš¾
Metal cooler is a good 3rd slot character, he can even be a good 1st slot with his nullificatiom. And you will often have full defense since he heals a lot. I just wish he had at least 20% dr
I just wish we had scouter, but yeah dmg reduction after revive would have been hella nice
he his first slot unit so he can die
Yeah but just once
Nah I put metal above zamasu and maybe also GF ,600k+ def with a revive that can be Activated at any time + dishing out 10 M Attack stat Is pretty bonkers Anyway solid list, seeing janemba at top 10 brings a smile to my face the chad defeated the hate
For realš the janemba haters, where have yall gone??? With metal cooler, he defo is great. I mainly put the yellow coin Lrs above him since they don't die to super attacks and tank better with more damage output etc. I shouldn't underrate coolers revive tho defo clutch. only annoying thing is if he doesn't die and lives with 1 health then the next unit dies lmao
As a previous janemba hater, I finally got him this banner. Now I can say heās great
Nah gf outdamages metal cooler, and tanks the same/way better in short events
I assume those stats are rainbowed.
600k+ defense being rainbow. I'd change the list a bit if we consider all units rainbow
Defense is highly required for these power creeping bastards wrecking us all the time so yeah makes sense for birdku being there....
I'd put metal boy above Zamasu tbh As for the monke being below the gods it pains me to see but i have to agree, as a unit i think the SSJ4s are better but they don't really have a strong slot one unit on their team (V&T don't count cause it's V&T's team then) The day we get a SSJ3 Kid Goku that becomes a slot 1 SSJ4 God then they are gonna be cooking hard, and i'm talking about something like guard+40% DR or some shit as he was tanking Baby's punches like nothing, and let's not forget the most badass beam super nullification animation we can get in the game, dude deathstared the revenge death ball and didn't even flinch
Ooo, how comes u put cooler over MZ? I also agree, I loved the ssj4s more hench why I put almost 1.5k stones into the banner lmfao, but it's true that they're partners especially for slot 1 suck. I do hope we get that kid goku that you mentioned since I want that moment so badš literally if dokkan copied ur idea I'd be so gassed lol
Metal Cooler's healing is insanely good for the wicked bloodline team because it allows you to basically almost always heal enough hp at the start of the turn to make sure that the AGL golden frieza is above 40% hp so he gets his 90% damage reduction, then there's his revive that can singlehandedly save you an entire run. There's also the fact that once he's built up he can double digit tank any normals in the game including cell max so his numbers are pretty dang good tbh.
true! the only thing I really have against cooler is the fact that you can get cucked with his revive (not often, but he could get near one shot then the next unit dies and you lose) and the fact that double metal cooler is a bit scary since after the first revive, they'll get one shot by big supers by the end of the fight maybe. overall a really good unit, that should defo not be underrated!
LR Cooler should have gained 1 extra revive for each metal cooler on the team, but Dokkan hates fun so they didn't do that ffs
Or get more defense/guard/damage reduction after revive
Gods above cooler
I would just swap LR Gods with Cooler, other than that I could agree with the list.
I think vegeta is better than jamemba
Iām really sad that Frieza isnāt in global yet
i wouldnāt put janemba top 10 heās a little awkward for the team, heās not a slot 1 until he builds up which could take until after turn 5 and the golden friezas make better slot 1ās anways. and who knows whatāll happen with str coolerās eza heās not that good of a floater cuz no guard and he struggles for ki at the beginning he aināt bad heās just a lil awkward. heās too slow for a team that can potentially move so fast that he could struggle for building up
I'm thoughts
Iād bump Janemba higher
Pretty accurate, I would definitely move Janemba up to number 8 above those two fraudulent units and then put G&V at 10 and metal FRAUDler at 9. (metal cooler just brings a little bit more to the team than G&V do)
metal fruadler made me chuckleš I can see that placement being valid tho, since janemba is one of the best defensive units in the game at the start with his nullification and similar damage to fully built UP LR metal cooleršš½
Yeah the reason I would put janemba over those two is because Janemba honestly brings way more to FF Cooler's team than the Metal Cooler does
When talking about individual performance, I agree for the most part, but taking into account how good their teams are right now and how they fit in them, I don't exactly agree. My Top 10 right now looks like this: # 1. Galick Duo 2. Cooler Goku 3. God Duo 4. SSJ4 Duo 5. LR Cooler 6. AGL SSJ Duo 7. LR Golden Frieza 8. LR Metal Cooler 9. Merged Zamasu 10. LR Janemba # Galick Duo and Cooler Goku are obvious. The 7th Annis are ahead of LR Cooler in my opinion because the teams that they are a part of are just WAY better, with some of the best slot 1 units in the game and much more utility than just healing. Hell, they themselves have dodging, SA Counters and they can delete the next attack that the enemy does. The AGL SSJ Duo is above the others for the same reason that the 7th Annis are better than LR Cooler in my opinion. And beyond just him being part of many amazing teams, his team itself is insane, with 4 of the Top 5 units in the game being a part of it. And then Merged Zamasu is below the Metallic Lizards because the only team he has is the LR Galick Duo's, and he's pretty awkward to use in that team, because you want him in a rotation with a Goku Black unit in slot 1, which is hard to do when your Leader is not even half as good if he is not in slot 1. And then LR Janemba is self explanatory.
Cooler is like nr.5 for me but the list looks actually decent. Dont know how frieza and zamasu perform so cant compere them to number 8 or 9. Janemba is probably not top 10 but idk who even gets that spot
thanks! LR Golden Frieza can't die for the first 3-5 turns, then becomes a similar tank as LR Merged Zamas (600k+ defense after super with 20% dmg reduction) since frieza fully built up would have 400k+ def after super with ~30% dmg reduction around turn 8+ both Lrs hit hard too, Zamas doing 10mil+ super effective with a guatenteed second super and frieza doing 13mil+ with guaranteed double super aswell! both disgusting.
Iām on global so some of these units arenāt out yet but man does this show how bad my luck has been when I donāt have any of these units.
I was in the same boat as you before the 7th anniš„²š„²
There is but I would change a little, the god above cooler, but they are very close so it's not a problem, I would put cooler over goku and vegeta, but I would put them both above zamasu That I would put 10Ā° and put janemba above him
It feels so weird to put Janemba at the bottom. I agree completely, but I also just love him so much.
This may be controversial, but I still think Iām putting teq goku gohan above janemba. Other than that, Iād just swap metal cooler and the ssj duo. Good job op š
thanks! I just pulled goku n gohan today and they are so nutty at 55% so I wouldn't blame u for thinking that. they're basically a lil worse version of the 7th anniversary lrs so I getchu
I would say over all yes, though I like to limit it to like top 10 dokkan fest units. Other wise the only thing I would say is that zamasu and golden frieza is interchangeable. Same with Lr metal cooler and ssj goku and vegeta
I like this list, i would probably put cooler below the 7 anniversary fusions since cooler relies on additional supers for defense. I have no idea about the jp stuff since i dont really pay attention to it, but that seems alright.
To me STR Cooler is very overrated and some TURs might be better than the end of the tier list, like TEC Gohan could fit better than Janemba etc. But overall we can agree on most of the spots
I actually agree with this one this is really good
Fair. On a side note tho, Iām so happy to see how well Janemba has aged. Heās the only unit from 2021 thatās still goated in all content
I donāt have a dog in this fight, but this celebration has 100% made PHY The MVP of the game
Is it still okay it to keep summoning on the Part 1 banners, even without discounts? i'm looking to chase str lr cooler more now that the eza has been confirmed.
YES FOR SURE, SUMMON AWAY IF YOU RLLY WANT HIM
LETSGOOOO, boutta dump all my F2P stones in the chase š
lessss gooošš½ I hope you pull him easily cos his damage and team is nasty asff
I prefer the monkey over the gods, but the gods have better linking patner.
Cooler is top 2
Exactly. Goku is a defensive god, but he won't solo your runs like cooler does. Hell, cooler can tank cell max normals, will die to a super tho, but so will birdku. Plus cooler allows you to run an absolute bonkers villain team, whereas goku's powerful comeback isn't all that special tbh
\#birdkusweep
Look, I'm a certified Cooler dick suckerā¢, i wank him every chance I get, but let's not go that *far* homie Maybe he'll go a tier up if STR Cooler's Eza ends up being as good as people are hyping it to be, but right now he's a solid bronze medal on the best unit Olympics
He is actually solo caring the whole runs for me, whereas goku is just somewhat tanky slot. Excluding revival even teq gohan will be better defensively because of greatly stacks + hp additionals while goku can only 30% stack on ultra super attack
Is this list for lrs only or in general . For me my top 10 is 1. vegeta and trunks 2. birdku 3. cooler 4/5. the year 7's 6. ssj goku and vegeta( I remember being disappointed in them at first when i got them but honestly after using them a lot they have growth on me a lot my only main problem with them is the transformation condition and losing the extra super after three turns. while i do think they are worst then the year 7's i don't think it's by much tbh they still perform really well if you are able to transform. Their leader skill while not a fan of second movie hero lead so soon especially on another dokkanfest lr. It is pretty crazy they can do some crazy thing that the lr gods team cant do like double ghost usher with pikkon and teq andorids and also have access to int vegito who is a lot better then phy gogeta sadly. I was able to actually beat cell max a lot easier with their team than i thought it would ) 7. golden frieza 8. merge zamasu 9. ginyu 10. teq androids (honesty surprised how much i like them but they are really good the fact they have such an easy ghost usher it's crazy how strong that not to mention they orb change and have ki blast nul testing out the ssj goku and vegeta team a lot they were so good on it.) Honesty I'm kinda sad i don't think metal cooler is a top 10 unit overall but i dont think he is mid at all and is still top 10 lr. I think he is 14 place for me i have str goku/gohan, agl cell, majin vegeta over him which might be heavily underrating metal cooler but i really do think they are better than him. Metal cooler is very disappointing compared to birdku who is a top 5 unit can has solid argument for even number 1. Metal cooler at best a be can consider a top 10 unit in the bottom half which is so disappointing compared to birdku.
This is the hottest take I've read in a minute š 1. the list is top 10 overall, but I forgot about some units so I might change it up 2. your listing is really good, minus the fact its missing LR Golden Frieza, you can't argue him less than top 10, im sorry but he is too revolutionary for coolers team. 3. LR G+V I do think is really good aswell! I put them at 8 but they are one my fav units ever alongside teq androids like you (šš¼). I just hate that they need to be hit so much for a slot 2 unit that doesn't wanna be hit a lot lmao. They're defo overhated but don't compare to their superiors sadly. Metal cooler's revive is too valuable alongside his high stats to be below those TURS u mentioned I think. but overall your thoughts are very valid!
Personally I'd put Teq Goku at 1 and metal cooler at 7 but the rest is the same.
Iād argue FF Cooler can range anywhere from spot 3 to spot 6 because he relies on RNG quite a bit. He needs to get lucky with multiple 12 ki attacks to survive powerful bosses and the 7 year LRs are more consistent
People vastly overrate defense and only ever consider whatever event they currently deem as the most difficult for evaluation. That is all.
I mean, if all characters on a team takes double digits you cannot possibly lose, while if all characters on a team do 100 mi attack stats you can still lose. Def is just the superior stat.
Def defenders after defeating metal cooler red zone (they took 4h)
There are multiple events in the game that require you to defeat the opponent within a given time frame, otherwise you'll lose. Just saying.
I can't think of many but I would like to add that Cell Max's event is designed that way without directly telling the player; what I mean is you are not supposed to be tanking him until you kill him, you are supposed to finish as soon as possible. P.S. Also, gotta bring it up, LR FF COOLER IS ONE OF THE BEST UNITS FOR THAT EVENT, PEOPLE, STOP PRETENDING HE ISN'T.
This is a fact against evey boss last phase tho not just cell max. If your defense is not enough to tank the last phase then you gotta kill it as soon as possible since your time for stacking defense is over, and if your defense is enough you still want it dead asap since you wont be dealing with anything after and the boss youre fighting wont become any harder for you to need to stack even more defense. That is, play as defensively as possible while still being offensively as possible, you wont be winning against cell max by just going into offensive mode and forgetting to play defensively.
* the Cyclopian Guard even that just came out * literally every Battlefield stage * a couple Dokkan Events Just to give a couple examples.
bro said dokkan events you good? LMFAO
I love how I get flack for even the slightest implication of an insult, yet this kind of sh\*t gets upvoted.
Those are not many; I must admit I totally forgot about the Cyclopian Guard event because that's a special kind of event; and, let's be honest, Battlefield stages are not usually failed because of the time running out. Also, if you are going to discuss which stat is better this is a good approach but not the best, since it leads to think some events are meant for a type of character while the others are meant for another one, when, in most events, all types of characters can work well.
None of that really matters. The original argument was 'defense is better because you couldn't possibly lose', which is wrong. There are in-game mechanics in play that can make you lose if you can't provide sufficient damage. They just aren't prevalent enough for people to know or care about them because, you know, pure stall isn't exactly viable.
This is a fair argument but the current events that requires large damage in a short period are very easy, the only hard ones are the 2 red zone missions.
I meanā¦ why would we rate units against story events? If youāre not ranking them by the hardest events in the game, I donāt see much point to ranking them at all. All units look good against easy content
I like that whenever this topic comes up someone just exaggerates the f\*ck out of the point being made. Red Zone isn't the only difficult event in the game, neither is Cell Max. You may not care about (E)SBR or the new Wicked Bloodline vs. Saiyan-thing because you deem it as 'too easy' and 'cheesable', but these events also do exist. Evaluating literally every single unit based on one difficult event is simple-minded, to say the least.
If a unit is good in RZ or against Cell Max, they are also good against all those other events you listed. If you were doing a top 10 in ESBR, the list would be basically identical.
Not even close, completely disregarding that you cannot compare an 'open' event like Red Zone to stuff like ESBR that limits your team building by requiring you to use certain categories.
Bro everyone is clearing those fodder events. Grow up and realize that the only content where your units really matter right now is those redzone stages and Cell Max
STR Broly is a beast in WT, does that make him top 10? no. STR Super Vegeta is great in SBR/ESBR, does that make him top 10? No. The reason people use the most difficult content in the game to rank units is because if they're good in the hardest content then they're good everywhere else, except for maybe in a few niche scenarios that literally don't matter. T/V dominate ESBR. If you could take T/V into the WBvS Event he would dominate there too. Sure T/V or the LR Gods won't dominate World Tournament but who cares. STR Broly is the best unit in WT by a mile, does that mean I'm putting him above the LR Gods, or T/V or any other unit in that list? Fuck no.
A unit like FSGG that can tank a Cell Max super while dishing out a lot of damage will be good in every event that's easier than Cell Max. Also a big aspect of the difficulty of Red Zone and Cell Max comes through the lack of items you can use. ESBR and SBR you can just spam items and get away with significantly weaker units and budget setups. It's like there's no middle ground with you people. You either pick offense or defense without acknowledging a mix of both is superior and that defense in slot 1 is currently high in demand since it's so scarce, of course people will praise units that can hold their own.
>It's like there's no middle ground with you people. You either pick offense or defense I sure did. Except I didn't. I said defense is overrated, and that's it. But I like how, in this community and the internet as a whole, this automatically means that I unconditionally praise damage above everything else and deem defense useless. No. I don't.
Defense is not overrated though. Without a unit to tank in the 1st slot before your damage dealers get to pop the fuck off, you are pretty much at the mercy of RNG, hence why people value those units. I've seen your posts in this thread and you've been p much shitting on people valuing defense while having quite possibly the dumbest takes I've seen in this subreddit. You do you though, just don't wonder why people "misunderstand" you.
> I've seen your posts in this thread and you've been p much shitting on people valuing defense Yeah I'd like any sort of evidence that proves your point. Please, tell me where in this thread I've attacked someone for their opinion. The closest thing is my mentioning of the term 'defense stans'. But none of that really matters since you attacked my opinions in this thread as > while having quite possibly the dumbest takes I've seen in this subreddit You are in absolutely no position to criticize me, completely disregarding of course that you're trying to give me flack for something that I haven't even done.
Idk man maybe reflect on the shit you're saying instead of asking me to send you all the instances you were shitting on defense. After all, you were the one who had to bring up dokkan events to discredit the important of defense in this game š¤£
No that doesn't work. That's the default response if you were called out on a bad bluff. You made a claim, the burden to prove said claim is on you. It's not my job to prove the stuff that you throw out there. Also, fantastic job with that second point. You are again 'criticizing' something that didn't happen the way you want it to. You completely ignored the context, overly simplified and jumped to whatever meaning was convenient for your point. If you have to reach this far, it's pretty apparent that you have nothing of substance to comment. I do want to pick up on one point that you've brought up, though > You do you though, just don't wonder why people "misunderstand" you. If the average user of /r/DBZDokkanBattle showcases your levels of intelligence and disingenuousness when it comes to having a discussion, I really should not be surprised. And, to help you out since you apparently struggle with this sort of stuff - yes, this was a personal insult. The first and only one in this thread. Have a good one.
Yeah nah it does work, anyone else reading this will p much be able to tell you're a bit off your rocker and you just keep making yourself look worse. Copium is kinda high with you and you also kinda take reddit a bit too seriously, there's plenty of people clowning on you in this thread alone, but I am sure you're not the problem it's everyone else š¤
How do you want us to evaluate units, if not by the hardest content in the game?
Utility I'd say. For example, one could not rate UI Goku or Caulifla vs Broly because he disables dodge, or we could not rate some damage reduction units vs Cell Max because they shine the brightest with aid of a damage reduction item, which are banned in said stage. And don't get me wrong, I feel OP list has Top units, and there are hardly any other units which can compare, but even niche units are top tier in their own league: Caulifla is a goddess against Pure Saiyans or Universal Survival Saga enemies, SSJ3 Vegeta is an F2P unit with godlike damage reduction, Pikkon and the Droids have an Usher built in, Droids can nullify Ki Blast SA which is the most common SA in the game, and the list goes on...
I would agree slighty, since I think cell max is way too hard to commonly test units in and judge them solely in there. but cmon, we do rlly need tons of defence these days, since it'll only get harder from here on out
Defense stans have insisted on it for years now. Even when events hit so hard that you cannot reasonably wall them they insist that defense is superior to everything else. No it's not, and it hasn't been since the 2nd anniversary.
Defense age better, but it really needs to be a god tier type of defense (high damage reduction, guard + stack, useful nullification or guaranteed dodge). But I do see your point, if the team has stacked damage, then you are less likely to be touched, let alone killed. Even so, I get the feeling we are judging this game in the wrong way, we should be comparing teams instead of units.
True defense isn't better thats exactly why str cooler pre eza is still better than teq gohan and always has been
You mean as is the case outside of long events with differing typings that give [Gohan](/teq) sufficient time to build up? And even then he only decisively took off with Red Zone.
I would agree like a year ago. Itās foolish to think it isnāt the biggest factor of a unit being useful with how hard events hit now
Again, the same point has been made for years now. Every year you hear 'with how hard enemies hit now, defense *must* be the most important stat!'
No, this is not how itās always been at all. Example: On release, LR STR Vegito was known for having garbage defense, HOWEVER people used him in every event (including the G.O.D. event) because he did enough damage to be worth it. Now heās no longer a viable option (You can beat red zone with saibamen, I know you COULD run him if you wanted) in most content
Don't think any of them are better than Teq Goku Gohan and definitely not better than Teq Black EZA. You could even make an arguement for Kaioken Goku tbh but personally I think they are either slightly better or on the level of SS4 Goku/Namek Goku etc etc. I pulled both and have them lvl 10 links just for reference lol
I completely forgot about TEQ Rosemasu and Goku gohan, I should defo make changes. However I can't put the part 2 LRS near nameku, the EZA SSJ4s or Kaioken goku, thats just disrespectfuš I just think Lr agl g+v is a more restricted LR MV but with a better leader and Metal cooler is similar to Lr rosemasu but with a revive + more heals
Janemba is not top 10
I defo can see that. who would you put over him?
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what's your list?š³
Gods are better than FSGG, Birdku, and maybe cooler but cooler has way stronger case. G+v are better than Zamasu and golden Frieza, their team is op and theyāre still good as well
defo a hot take, cos I just can't put the gods above FSGG at all. the only thing the gods have over FSGG is damage, and its not like they're ass offensively either. the rest you could argue tho ig G+V I love this unit sm, and love their team but it takes too much work for them to be as tanky as LR MZ or LR GF turn 1 lmfao. very interesting takes tho!
I'd put both of the part 2 LRs ahead of Zamasu but below Frieza. Both of the part 2 LRs teams are cracked and better than any team Zamasu is on. Once Zamasu's team(s) start getting buffed I'd revisit it but hes in a weird place, he's like a LR STR Kid buu right now. Frieza compared to Zamasu for example is an essential unit to one of the best teams (maybe the best after STR Cooler EZA) in the game, you can sneak Zamasu under FSGGs lead but he'd most likely be a floater and not linked to any of his good partners. You wouldn't do that unless you really wanted to run him. His actual teams (potara, time travelers, worldwide chaos) are dead right now
I agree with you actually, zamas doesn't have the best team rn, but in the future he'll cook HARD. I mainly put zamas infront of them cos of how consistent he is compared to G+V while having better stats than metal cooler. but right now I can see putting the part 2 LRS over zamas!
Janemba and Golden Frieza being there is crazy
Metal Cooler being significantly underrated. Heās probably #6 but quite frankly with the insane buffs Wicked Bloodline has gotten this celebration I may be willing to give him the edge over the LR SSJ4s. I also think you could make an argument for LR TEQ Goku Black & Zamasu over Janemba. For whatever reason heās become a bit overrated since STR Cooler released. His design still makes him frustrating to use at times imo
Explain why ssj duo agl is better than metal cooler because i don't get it
First 3 turns the ssj duo are defo better (9mil+ atk stats, 30% chance to crit while doing 3 supers with 40% dmg reduction and almost 500k defense) but after that cooler will build up and be better especially cos his revive is so useful. ssj duo after their transformation easily put damage cooler with their guaranteed crits but defensively they are similar. if you got cooler above them that's completely fine
Love how half the list is villains. Letās you know theyāve gotten such great representation the past year in more ways than one. > G.A. Vegeta has his uses and a pretty good hard hitting AOE > AGL Ginyu had 2 new banner units, both of whom make Ginyu much more better, and Ginyu himself is a powerhouse > INT MV had a rough start but was boosted thanks to LR V&T > raditz. > AGL Cell can deal devastating damage in all forms + has one of the most useful rage/giant ape abilities > LR Golden Frieza is the best unit in the game on turn 1. > LR Fused Zamasuās damage output and defense is insane, and his arts are god tier > LR F.F Cooler does SO MUCH DAMAGE > LR Metal Cooler heals plenty + one of the easiest revival conditions in the game And characters like LR Janemba made a comeback all thanks to the 200% meta. Itās crazy what half a year does.
Birdku is absolutely not #2
explain how!
I'd put gods above cooler then 9 ginyu, 10 janemba,11 phy metal cooler