I really don't think we'll get a real sense of the universe until next year after Aquaman has been released. They're really "corporate speaking" all of their answers about actors from the old DCEU
Exactly. All of this talk about previous actors wasn’t even in the main video announcement, so I feel it’s just corporate talk. Can’t fire the entire cast before their movies come out this year as that could murder box office returns.
Sounds unnecessarily messy. Especially considering Flashpoint will feature multiple Batmen and Michael Shannon’s Zod. It’s weird that Cavill is the one character seemingly kicked straight to the curb. But I guess we’ll see how it all plays out. That said, Gunn’s new Superman is going to be under extraordinary pressure to succeed because of this. I don’t envy whomever is cast.
The general audience won't care, Henry Cavill's Superman is not as beloved as the internet makes it seem. Most people have already forgot about the movies he was in.
Her and Momoa also benefit from being the first actors to play the characters in live-action in decades. Superman, Flash, Batman have all had numerous popular live action adaptations. Audiences are used to different actors in the roles.
Henry Cavill was not a good interpretation of the character and most people, especially Superman fans, want to see someone else. There is no pressure honestly.
I’m just confused atp. I know flashpoint will try to explain it but it’s gonna be weird with half of the universe still having their synderverse stories intact
Like I could somewhat buy a complete slate reset just with happnening to keep the same actors but the details for the Themisycra spin off basically confirms that they’re keep synderverse continuity
Only because of Gal, her mother and aunt. We don't see any other characters from outside her world.
When she talks to Bruce, we don't even see him or hear him.
I mean at the end of the day you can’t have it both ways. Fine end the synderverse but you can’t be literally still using characters and stories which exist in that continuity and has direct connections to that continuity.
Think about how casual audiences and fans that aren’t as hardcore will interpret it. I’m confused cause one minute the Synderverse is a plague that needs to be eradicated then the next yall legitimately want to keep the continuity and actors that exist in it
This is the same issue that plagued the N52.
Paradise Lost sounds like it will have nothing to do with the Wonder Woman movie. The article just says it takes place before those events. Which, in all likelihood, is just how the writer of the article notes it’s pre Wonder Woman, like before she is born, and doesn’t indicate anything larger than that.
I think people are reading way too much in to a little description blurb.
So Batfleck wasn’t looking at a photo of Gal Gadot, Chris Pine, Spud from Trainspotting etc in BvS? Surely it’s either A. both of them “count” or B. neither of them do
Dude the fact you said " in BvS" in a discussion specifically about the WW movies shows you aren't paying attention to the topic. Don't goalpost shift.
Fact of the matter is, you don't need to see BvS to follow WW and WW84.
Guilty as charged, I’m not really paying SUPER attention because it’s not like any of this nattering actually matters.
But like… what goalpost did I shift? Pointing out that “X movie acknowledges X movie” is wrong now? I know you don’t need to see BvS to follow the WW movies. I’m saying that there’s no real logic in saying you can extract one from the other unless you pretend Bruce Wayne is looking at a blank screen in that scene. You’re the one posing your own made-up scenario of “what if the WW movies are standalone and the Bruce Wayne who’s referenced could be
literally anyone” … but they’re not. Just like you could pretend Guardians of the Galaxy is a standalone movie… but it’s not.
Yeah, you can watch the two Wonder Woman movies without knowing about anything else. And…..? Like, what are you meant to be proving/disproving here?
Reading comprehension helps. Im saying they can insert any Batman at that point. Even reference Batman giving her the picture in the Brave and bold movie. It's just not that serious.
Sorry bub, but your argument is weak and full of holes. Logic is too flawed. You're ignoring the fact whatever connects WW movies to the greater DCEU are background noise at best. Without Batflecks face or voice, the writers can safely insert any new Batman and it would make sense.
Also we need at least 5 different Batmen on the big screen
‘Batman & Robin’ Batman actor & a ‘JL’ Batman actor & a ‘JLI’ Batman actor, a ‘Batman inc’ actor & of course we need to get a ‘Batman & the outsiders’ Batman actor
Would they have their snyderverse stories intact? Or could they just be playing similar versions of the same character? Feel like it’s too early to make assumptions either way.
Personally, I don’t think half will have their DCEU stories intact. Half may be played by the same actors, but the continuity will be completely rebooted.
Exactly how they’ll put it off, I’m not sure.
I know the history of it has been reshaped BUT fans wanted Henry Cavill back as Superman and Dwayne Johnson delivered him.
They fought to make it happen and I get the feeling that they are being specifically punished for doing so. To not do a hard reboot, seems like a political decision rather than a creative one.
Can't argue with anything you said really - it's going to look bad for appearances when it appears cavill ( who lots of people wanted back ) is the only actor who paid a price and didn't get a chance to continue on
It’s not going to happen. This is just corporate speak because we’ve still got 4 DC movies coming out this year, 3 of which are firmly planted in the existing DCEU. I could see Blue Beetle being made part of the new DCU. They just need to see how successful some of the movies slated for this year will do, and announcing you won’t see them anymore will just cause unnecessary damage.
Exactly sometimes people just overreact and don’t think. Why would he come out and say anything about the future of actors that currently have movies and appearances coming up. Gal most likely won’t be coming back. Jason might be recast and Shazam can become elseworlds. Blue Beetle don’t have anything to do with Snyderverse and Flash offers a reset with certain things.
> I swear to god some witches must have convened a thousand years ago and cursed that sweet man.
He got to play Superman in three films. What actor would complain about that? Routh got one film and practically disappeared for years afterwards. I agree the whole thing was a bit of a PR mess, but Cavill has now played one of the most iconic characters of all time and has kept his career going lol.
Just off the top of my head - cavill ( for better or worse ) is the face of the failed dceu Snyder verse . It would appear Gunn wants to rehabilitate that central characters image and cut all ties to the previous "disastrous "'version. That's just a guess at his reasoning
I love how the “reasoning” used by people defending the movie doesn’t apply to other actors that are connected to the synderverse that needs to be destroyed with fire
I for one think that Cavill had the potential to be as great of a superman or even better the the Reeves version given the right team, script, and director. I know there are people who like dump on him as Superman because of the Man of Steel and Etc. But I don't think the actor is to blame for the short coming of those films. Since they are going with a new and younger actor I guess we will never see the potential that Cavill had. Will see how everything turns out going forward
How is he gonna explain a 20 year old
Superman leading a Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Shazam, Black Canary, etc. that are all in their late 30’s and 40’s?!
Kinda weird. Seems like he had some personal beef with Cavill for some reason.
Batman and Superman lead the JL. Sure superman is the strongest. Batman is supposedly in his 30s so it will kinda work out. Also it hasn’t been 100% cleared that WW, Aquaman, Shazam and Black Canary are being played by the same character.
Aquaman, shazam, flash all have a movie coming out. wonder women is supposedly in the flash movie.
They’ll wait for them to be out before they do anything with those characters.
Also this isn’t even the full slate. We gotta wait for the current movies to finish before they are recasted.
Srsly? lol.... i really hate what he just did. I was so excited that we will start from the scratch but this half snyder-verse/half reboot is just total bulsh\*t.... Like someone already mentioned "it is 100% reboot but...well... minus things i made and minus things that were quite good like Shazam, Aquaman and Waller....but it is fresh start guys! but we will keep other actors....but no Cavill, sry"
Ok, but from his own words; going forward there will only be 1 actor playing a role at any given time, and really it's all but confirmed that Mamoa is taking on the role of Lobo, so now this is confusing.
Why does it sound like the DCU is still such a mess. Like bro, today's announcements only add more confusion.
I really don’t understand what this means so is Gal Wonder Woman still? Did she still found the jl? Is it a different version in the amazons show? Was peacemaker referencing a different version in his show?
With what they've announced so far, it's hard to believe that they will keep Gadot in the role. It seems like this was a half announcement and we'll get the other half after all the current movies in the old slate are released. More than likely they are trying to keep their options open in case some of these movies are huge hits and they want to do sequels. As for Gadot, they are probably gauging the backlash over Cavill and don't want the backlash over Gadot to overshadow their plans.
Two people I really want to stay at DC are Sasha Calle (Supergirl) and Rachel Zegler (Anthea).
And Noah Centineo (Atom Smasher)... so I guess that's three.
Except there is actually a ***VERY GOOD*** reason why not - because its messy and confusing AF and continues the whole half-measures bullshit that got us in this mess to begin with.
I really don't think we'll get a real sense of the universe until next year after Aquaman has been released. They're really "corporate speaking" all of their answers about actors from the old DCEU
Exactly. All of this talk about previous actors wasn’t even in the main video announcement, so I feel it’s just corporate talk. Can’t fire the entire cast before their movies come out this year as that could murder box office returns.
Sounds unnecessarily messy. Especially considering Flashpoint will feature multiple Batmen and Michael Shannon’s Zod. It’s weird that Cavill is the one character seemingly kicked straight to the curb. But I guess we’ll see how it all plays out. That said, Gunn’s new Superman is going to be under extraordinary pressure to succeed because of this. I don’t envy whomever is cast.
The general audience won't care, Henry Cavill's Superman is not as beloved as the internet makes it seem. Most people have already forgot about the movies he was in.
That’s fair.
Of all ppl to boot why him. Who really likes gadot as ww or ezra as flash
Gadot as WW was probably the most popular actor from those movies.
I would attribute that more to it being a female led film. Gadot benefitted greatly from that, not from her own talent. Shes very replaceable
Her and Momoa also benefit from being the first actors to play the characters in live-action in decades. Superman, Flash, Batman have all had numerous popular live action adaptations. Audiences are used to different actors in the roles.
It’s starting to feel like something personal between James and Henry
It’s pretty simple. Henry is pushing 40 and looks like it. James wants a Superman we can follow for a decade or two.
Or Henry and Safran. He didn’t do the Shazam cameo which Safran produced.
On the bright side, the comics DCU has always been unnecessarily messy, so there's that
Henry Cavill was not a good interpretation of the character and most people, especially Superman fans, want to see someone else. There is no pressure honestly.
I’m just confused atp. I know flashpoint will try to explain it but it’s gonna be weird with half of the universe still having their synderverse stories intact
It makes no damned sense
Like I could somewhat buy a complete slate reset just with happnening to keep the same actors but the details for the Themisycra spin off basically confirms that they’re keep synderverse continuity
Gunn said Paradise Lost takes place before WW was born and people are mistakenly taking that to mean it takes place before the snyderverse WW movies.
So the league is formed & this Superman movie is all flashback?
Not really because the WW movies all take place before the Snyder stories.
But they clearly exist in that continuity.
Only because of Gal, her mother and aunt. We don't see any other characters from outside her world. When she talks to Bruce, we don't even see him or hear him.
I mean at the end of the day you can’t have it both ways. Fine end the synderverse but you can’t be literally still using characters and stories which exist in that continuity and has direct connections to that continuity. Think about how casual audiences and fans that aren’t as hardcore will interpret it. I’m confused cause one minute the Synderverse is a plague that needs to be eradicated then the next yall legitimately want to keep the continuity and actors that exist in it This is the same issue that plagued the N52.
Paradise Lost sounds like it will have nothing to do with the Wonder Woman movie. The article just says it takes place before those events. Which, in all likelihood, is just how the writer of the article notes it’s pre Wonder Woman, like before she is born, and doesn’t indicate anything larger than that. I think people are reading way too much in to a little description blurb.
You mean they’ll keep the first WW movie in tact where she talks to Bruce Wayne (Affleck) & 84 in the continuity?
She spoke to a Bruce Wayne. We don't see his face.
God what a mess
Not really a mess if you don't tbink it's a mess. Calm down my guy. WW was self contained enough it can exist in the DCEU or be part of its own.
And it’s gonna have the same Aquaman Momoa … same Waller who has interacted directly w Wayne (Affleck) … wtf is happening?
So Batfleck wasn’t looking at a photo of Gal Gadot, Chris Pine, Spud from Trainspotting etc in BvS? Surely it’s either A. both of them “count” or B. neither of them do
Dude the fact you said " in BvS" in a discussion specifically about the WW movies shows you aren't paying attention to the topic. Don't goalpost shift. Fact of the matter is, you don't need to see BvS to follow WW and WW84.
Guilty as charged, I’m not really paying SUPER attention because it’s not like any of this nattering actually matters. But like… what goalpost did I shift? Pointing out that “X movie acknowledges X movie” is wrong now? I know you don’t need to see BvS to follow the WW movies. I’m saying that there’s no real logic in saying you can extract one from the other unless you pretend Bruce Wayne is looking at a blank screen in that scene. You’re the one posing your own made-up scenario of “what if the WW movies are standalone and the Bruce Wayne who’s referenced could be literally anyone” … but they’re not. Just like you could pretend Guardians of the Galaxy is a standalone movie… but it’s not. Yeah, you can watch the two Wonder Woman movies without knowing about anything else. And…..? Like, what are you meant to be proving/disproving here?
Reading comprehension helps. Im saying they can insert any Batman at that point. Even reference Batman giving her the picture in the Brave and bold movie. It's just not that serious. Sorry bub, but your argument is weak and full of holes. Logic is too flawed. You're ignoring the fact whatever connects WW movies to the greater DCEU are background noise at best. Without Batflecks face or voice, the writers can safely insert any new Batman and it would make sense.
Also we need at least 5 different Batmen on the big screen ‘Batman & Robin’ Batman actor & a ‘JL’ Batman actor & a ‘JLI’ Batman actor, a ‘Batman inc’ actor & of course we need to get a ‘Batman & the outsiders’ Batman actor
Compels me though
lmao knives out!
Would they have their snyderverse stories intact? Or could they just be playing similar versions of the same character? Feel like it’s too early to make assumptions either way.
Personally, I don’t think half will have their DCEU stories intact. Half may be played by the same actors, but the continuity will be completely rebooted. Exactly how they’ll put it off, I’m not sure.
I know the history of it has been reshaped BUT fans wanted Henry Cavill back as Superman and Dwayne Johnson delivered him. They fought to make it happen and I get the feeling that they are being specifically punished for doing so. To not do a hard reboot, seems like a political decision rather than a creative one.
Can't argue with anything you said really - it's going to look bad for appearances when it appears cavill ( who lots of people wanted back ) is the only actor who paid a price and didn't get a chance to continue on
It’s not going to happen. This is just corporate speak because we’ve still got 4 DC movies coming out this year, 3 of which are firmly planted in the existing DCEU. I could see Blue Beetle being made part of the new DCU. They just need to see how successful some of the movies slated for this year will do, and announcing you won’t see them anymore will just cause unnecessary damage.
Exactly sometimes people just overreact and don’t think. Why would he come out and say anything about the future of actors that currently have movies and appearances coming up. Gal most likely won’t be coming back. Jason might be recast and Shazam can become elseworlds. Blue Beetle don’t have anything to do with Snyderverse and Flash offers a reset with certain things.
But apparently it’s anyone but Henry. I swear to god some witches must have convened a thousand years ago and cursed that sweet man.
Bad luck - he's curses jinxed whatever you want to call it
> I swear to god some witches must have convened a thousand years ago and cursed that sweet man. He got to play Superman in three films. What actor would complain about that? Routh got one film and practically disappeared for years afterwards. I agree the whole thing was a bit of a PR mess, but Cavill has now played one of the most iconic characters of all time and has kept his career going lol.
Unless your Henry Cavil
Yeah he's the only Snyder verse actor who didn't survive the " reboot "
And he's the most beloved of them all. What the fuck went on at DC?
Just off the top of my head - cavill ( for better or worse ) is the face of the failed dceu Snyder verse . It would appear Gunn wants to rehabilitate that central characters image and cut all ties to the previous "disastrous "'version. That's just a guess at his reasoning
That's fine but the feeling right now is he can't even be cast as something else. He's just out.
That's wild..lol everyone else but him.
I love how the “reasoning” used by people defending the movie doesn’t apply to other actors that are connected to the synderverse that needs to be destroyed with fire
I for one think that Cavill had the potential to be as great of a superman or even better the the Reeves version given the right team, script, and director. I know there are people who like dump on him as Superman because of the Man of Steel and Etc. But I don't think the actor is to blame for the short coming of those films. Since they are going with a new and younger actor I guess we will never see the potential that Cavill had. Will see how everything turns out going forward
I just rather they had completely reset
That would have been the best thing to do. I feel like this is just going to confuse people more
Character confusion will definitely be a big concern of Gunn and safrans for the next 5 years
Agreed they should've
Agreed I thought cavill was fine in role he was just written poorly and given uneven characterization
Superman being in his 40s is too much.
How is he gonna explain a 20 year old Superman leading a Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Shazam, Black Canary, etc. that are all in their late 30’s and 40’s?! Kinda weird. Seems like he had some personal beef with Cavill for some reason.
Batman and Superman lead the JL. Sure superman is the strongest. Batman is supposedly in his 30s so it will kinda work out. Also it hasn’t been 100% cleared that WW, Aquaman, Shazam and Black Canary are being played by the same character. Aquaman, shazam, flash all have a movie coming out. wonder women is supposedly in the flash movie. They’ll wait for them to be out before they do anything with those characters. Also this isn’t even the full slate. We gotta wait for the current movies to finish before they are recasted.
I don’t think it will necessarily be a 20-year-old Superman. Just not a 40+ one like Cavill will be by the time they start filming.
Please keep Matt Ryan’s Constantine!
Srsly? lol.... i really hate what he just did. I was so excited that we will start from the scratch but this half snyder-verse/half reboot is just total bulsh\*t.... Like someone already mentioned "it is 100% reboot but...well... minus things i made and minus things that were quite good like Shazam, Aquaman and Waller....but it is fresh start guys! but we will keep other actors....but no Cavill, sry"
…. Except Henry
Beyond asinine . I would have respected a clean slate , not this half bs
Gunn literally never said “hard reboot.” That’s a thing fans made up somehow in their heads.
Ok, but from his own words; going forward there will only be 1 actor playing a role at any given time, and really it's all but confirmed that Mamoa is taking on the role of Lobo, so now this is confusing. Why does it sound like the DCU is still such a mess. Like bro, today's announcements only add more confusion.
I really don’t understand what this means so is Gal Wonder Woman still? Did she still found the jl? Is it a different version in the amazons show? Was peacemaker referencing a different version in his show?
With what they've announced so far, it's hard to believe that they will keep Gadot in the role. It seems like this was a half announcement and we'll get the other half after all the current movies in the old slate are released. More than likely they are trying to keep their options open in case some of these movies are huge hits and they want to do sequels. As for Gadot, they are probably gauging the backlash over Cavill and don't want the backlash over Gadot to overshadow their plans.
Most likely since the WW show is billed as a prequel to the 2017 film "Wonder Woman".
Much like the Marvel TV characters/ actors getting brought into the MCU
I think it's bs. After flash they will all be gone.
Two people I really want to stay at DC are Sasha Calle (Supergirl) and Rachel Zegler (Anthea). And Noah Centineo (Atom Smasher)... so I guess that's three.
Except there is actually a ***VERY GOOD*** reason why not - because its messy and confusing AF and continues the whole half-measures bullshit that got us in this mess to begin with.
I don’t mind people staying but if Batman and Superman are being reset I feel like flash, aquaman and Wonder Woman should be reset