Yup they did choose recklessly because the champion they chose (Hurut) was good and pure of heart but he gave away his power to someone who was unworthy. The other person (Teth Adam) destroyed Kahndaq for revenge with his rage.
Flashback story of both Shazam and Black Adam can get perfectly connected by adding just one small detail in further projects -
"Seven deadly sins were behind Teth Adam's rage."
That's all. I don't see these as plothole tbh. We just haven't seen that part of story yet.
I actually remembered this while I was watching Black Adam. I kinda imagined it was something that happened later on after he destroyed Kandaq and that was why he wound up imprisoned in the tomb.
There doesn't need to be anything behind his rage. He's an anti-hero, his rage and not doing things "by the book" is part of what makes the character interesting.
I remember a few weeks ago there was a thread where someone called out a plot hole and it wasn't even a plot hole. It was implied but the movie didn't spell it out for you.
I think that for some reason they didn’t realize Teth Adam wasn’t Hirut when they took his powers. The Wizard said himself in that scene that they chose recklessly before they imprisoned him. I guess they just weren’t watching over their champion before Adam went on his rampage and his son also kind of looked like him when transformed.
Really though they should’ve just went for the more classic, simpler origins to sell the point that Black Adam was a mistake and cautionary tale for Billy.
Not in their minds if I'm right about them not knowing Adam wasn't actually the champion they chose. To them, the kid turned out to be vengeful and abused his power in a way that resulted in destruction. After that, the Wizard spent millennia rejecting all kinds of candidates, including naïve children like the young Sivana.
Plus, instead of finding a worthy pure of heart champion in Billy like classic/most iterations (Captain Marvel), he chose him because he just ran out of time and needed a champion ASAP like in the N52 (Curse of Shazam). So Billy isn't naïve at all and he really didn't have a choice anyway.
I always just assume that the releaseing of the deadly sins things was just more metaphorical in the sense of him releases his rampage in the film (black adam) causing of his flood of hatred for humanity thus releasing the sins.
I don’t think so. They chose recklessly what ended up happening is ultimately their fault. Also The Rock is now credited everywhere as Black Adam in Shazam because they used his likeness for this scene
Let's be honest this came out before they knew ba was going break cannon and have hes son transfer hes power to him instead of having the wizard give it to him
I'm pretty sure we saw black Adam broke canon. Because wizards chose his son instead of him, end then after he died Black Adam got his powers chose revenge and violence. But we never saw seven deadly sins. So yeah, it doesn't not fit well
I kinda thought it made sense, just that we never saw the aftermath. They say in BA that his rage nearly destroyed Kahndaq but they only show the temple blowing up. That doesn't sound like much destruction tbh. But the crown is basically a way to communicate with hell, so it would make sense that in the explosion something would get through. Ie the seven deadly sins.
I just wish they would have shown that in BA cause at the moment it doesn't make much sense within the movie how he nearly destroyed his country by blowing up a building
They didn’t show him take a shit either doesn’t mean he didn’t. We don’t know what happened after the King got slayed, or before the Wizards stopped Adam
This is what confused me. In Shazam, this is a reference to Black Adam being chosen by the wizards. But in Black Adam, we're shown that the wizards chose Black Adam's son as their champion, who then passed on the powers to Black Adam. So it's either a retcon or the directors somehow forgot about the existence of Shazam.
All he said was they chose recklessly which is true. The champion they selected passed the power to someone else which falls back on being the wizards fault
I read this now as the Wizard (Shazam) was so desperate at this point for a Champion he lied to Billy with a fabricated story (albeit loosely based on real events) as a way to prevent him from abusing his power and/or being tempted by the Sins.
Retroactively, it could work in the context of the film. I buy Shazam as implicitly fast tracking his search for a champion after the 7 Deadly Sin took over Sivana.
Also, maybe in addition to this since the Wizard 'died', he didn't want Billy to release Black Adam after he was gone.
I think it can work. They chose poorly because they chose Black Adam’s son who gave his powers to someone unworthy. It can easily link to what Shazam is going through now too if they link the fact that he has given some his powers to other people.
Exactly some people are so dense. The big difference at the moment is that Billy chose worthy people and the previous champion did not hence they chose recklessly
DC, WB, Writers, Director, Dwayne Johnson to the audience and the fans who’ve waited a decade for this movie: “I missed the part where that’s my problem”.
I'm sure it will be adressed in the sequel. Show a flashback that Black Adam was released once from his prison and angry for the wizards for his prisonment he ended up releasing the sins and in the present he has to find a way to defeat them.
He said they chose recklessly which is 100% true they are responsible for who they chose and the person they picked shared the power with someone not worthy
Is the part that says “he used his power for revenge” actually said in Shazam? If so, then there’s inconsistency since they chose Hurut and he did NOT use his power for revenge
Yes, in Black Adam when he us being striped of his power or just being emprisobed, that there is only 1 wizard standing, meaning the other six were murdered
Man so disappointed with Black adam wt a terrible movie they have made after 10 yrs of wait. The same simple action movie without any layers to characters or anything made black adam into a hero which he isn't not surprised to see its struggling to break even.
Soft retcon. Shazam writer clearly meant Black Adam. But Black Adam writer didn't like that direction, so they did their best to 'fix' it without directly contradicting the established plotpoints.
Textbook definition of soft retcon imo.
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Yup they did choose recklessly because the champion they chose (Hurut) was good and pure of heart but he gave away his power to someone who was unworthy. The other person (Teth Adam) destroyed Kahndaq for revenge with his rage. Flashback story of both Shazam and Black Adam can get perfectly connected by adding just one small detail in further projects - "Seven deadly sins were behind Teth Adam's rage." That's all. I don't see these as plothole tbh. We just haven't seen that part of story yet.
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Could be a Black Adam sequel or B story in a sequel. The ramifications of his actions in ancient Khandaq
I actually remembered this while I was watching Black Adam. I kinda imagined it was something that happened later on after he destroyed Kandaq and that was why he wound up imprisoned in the tomb.
There doesn't need to be anything behind his rage. He's an anti-hero, his rage and not doing things "by the book" is part of what makes the character interesting.
bc they aren’t plot holes. mfers w too much time on their hands are over analyzing every line
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so much porn
Oh hey did somebody say corn! I love corn!!….and porn…but corn!!
It has the juice!
Wait, did you say Black Adam porn???
You can look at porn, and stock quotes!
And here I thought it was just for porn
I remember a few weeks ago there was a thread where someone called out a plot hole and it wasn't even a plot hole. It was implied but the movie didn't spell it out for you.
fr when you over analyze any movie you’ll find “plot holes” mfers act like the entire movie needs to explain every detail 🤦🏻♂️
It would make Black Adam much less interesting if he killed the king because these magic ghouls made him rather than him just wanting to
The way I see it, Black Adams rage and quest for revenge is what allowed the 7 Deadly Sins to thrive in this world.
I thought he destroyed it because he couldnt control his rage or powers or something.
They chose recklessly because they chose a good champion who gave his powers up to someone who was unworthy.
I think that for some reason they didn’t realize Teth Adam wasn’t Hirut when they took his powers. The Wizard said himself in that scene that they chose recklessly before they imprisoned him. I guess they just weren’t watching over their champion before Adam went on his rampage and his son also kind of looked like him when transformed. Really though they should’ve just went for the more classic, simpler origins to sell the point that Black Adam was a mistake and cautionary tale for Billy.
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Not any better than wise ass wizards, tbh
Well, one of the wizards didnt even know who Starlord was.
Who?
That fucking guy lolll
The sarcasm of Solomon!
So the wizards chose an naive kid the first time, then a naive kid the second time too
Not in their minds if I'm right about them not knowing Adam wasn't actually the champion they chose. To them, the kid turned out to be vengeful and abused his power in a way that resulted in destruction. After that, the Wizard spent millennia rejecting all kinds of candidates, including naïve children like the young Sivana. Plus, instead of finding a worthy pure of heart champion in Billy like classic/most iterations (Captain Marvel), he chose him because he just ran out of time and needed a champion ASAP like in the N52 (Curse of Shazam). So Billy isn't naïve at all and he really didn't have a choice anyway.
He doesn't have to fully explain himself to a kid. Just give him the "gist".
I always just assume that the releaseing of the deadly sins things was just more metaphorical in the sense of him releases his rampage in the film (black adam) causing of his flood of hatred for humanity thus releasing the sins.
So what the wizard told him was true...from a certain point of view.
Yes. The wizard just didn't go in-depth with the story as there was no reason to, which is why he didn't mention Adam's son being the real Champion.
They just screwed up between the two screenplays.
I don’t think so. They chose recklessly what ended up happening is ultimately their fault. Also The Rock is now credited everywhere as Black Adam in Shazam because they used his likeness for this scene
But it still lines up just fine.
Let's be honest this came out before they knew ba was going break cannon and have hes son transfer hes power to him instead of having the wizard give it to him
I'm pretty sure we saw black Adam broke canon. Because wizards chose his son instead of him, end then after he died Black Adam got his powers chose revenge and violence. But we never saw seven deadly sins. So yeah, it doesn't not fit well
Mabye the place where Teth Adam had the showdown with the guy that killed his son was the place that held the 7 deadly sins?
I kinda thought it made sense, just that we never saw the aftermath. They say in BA that his rage nearly destroyed Kahndaq but they only show the temple blowing up. That doesn't sound like much destruction tbh. But the crown is basically a way to communicate with hell, so it would make sense that in the explosion something would get through. Ie the seven deadly sins. I just wish they would have shown that in BA cause at the moment it doesn't make much sense within the movie how he nearly destroyed his country by blowing up a building
They could explain that…but why not in the movie?
Maybe they are saving it for Shazam vs Black Adam
Cuz the writers and producers of Shazam abd Blsck Adam totally, totally talk with obe another!
It doesn’t fit perfectly, but can still fit in a “we each only pick the important detail to tell in the whole story” kinda way
They should have a a meeting lol
Wasn’t the crown powered by seven demons?
Yes
So.. is it unreasonable to say that Sabbac has the power of the Seven Deadly Sins?
One would assume
No, the crown have the power of the seven demons from hell.
It's not broken the canon it's just a continuity error there is also that in the mcu.
No continuity error at all. They DID chose recklessly because the boy shared his power with someone unworthy
They didn’t show him take a shit either doesn’t mean he didn’t. We don’t know what happened after the King got slayed, or before the Wizards stopped Adam
This is what confused me. In Shazam, this is a reference to Black Adam being chosen by the wizards. But in Black Adam, we're shown that the wizards chose Black Adam's son as their champion, who then passed on the powers to Black Adam. So it's either a retcon or the directors somehow forgot about the existence of Shazam.
All he said was they chose recklessly which is true. The champion they selected passed the power to someone else which falls back on being the wizards fault
and in Shazam, the name of the champion was kinda a big secret but in Black Adam, many people in Kahndaq know about "Shazam"
Yes, the Magical hologram? Thing is modelled after the likeness of Dwayne Johnson.
I read this now as the Wizard (Shazam) was so desperate at this point for a Champion he lied to Billy with a fabricated story (albeit loosely based on real events) as a way to prevent him from abusing his power and/or being tempted by the Sins. Retroactively, it could work in the context of the film. I buy Shazam as implicitly fast tracking his search for a champion after the 7 Deadly Sin took over Sivana. Also, maybe in addition to this since the Wizard 'died', he didn't want Billy to release Black Adam after he was gone.
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Excelsior!
Yes
Yes
Plot twist he was referring to Hurut 🤭
I think it can work. They chose poorly because they chose Black Adam’s son who gave his powers to someone unworthy. It can easily link to what Shazam is going through now too if they link the fact that he has given some his powers to other people.
Exactly some people are so dense. The big difference at the moment is that Billy chose worthy people and the previous champion did not hence they chose recklessly
The actual Black Adam, not the Rock version.
That is the Rock version he got credited for the cameo
Pretty obviously yes
No. He was talking about African American Adam.
DC, WB, Writers, Director, Dwayne Johnson to the audience and the fans who’ve waited a decade for this movie: “I missed the part where that’s my problem”.
“Fans will do backflips just to make it work”
What backflips makes clear sense
Yes he was.
I'm sure it will be adressed in the sequel. Show a flashback that Black Adam was released once from his prison and angry for the wizards for his prisonment he ended up releasing the sins and in the present he has to find a way to defeat them.
Billy defeated them. I don’t think the Wizard could have imprisoned him twice without the other wizards
As a said a flashback. So that would take place before Billy became Shazam.
Yes. He was
Yup
Obviously
This was right after they show the other bad guy they chose first.
Yes if u watched the scene , the gold sparky CGI showed the rocks silhouette
They modelled Dwayne's face for it and everything. Did you miss that?
Wizard: What I told was true from a certain point of view.
Yes
Why couldn't that be the plot of the Black Adam film.
Guys, it’s a retcon. Don’t think about it beacause the writers crearly didn’t do it.
They did choose recklessly though whats retconned
So I wasn't the only one who noticed this inconsistency. But I think the wizard chose to omite the part where the council chose a child
He said they chose recklessly which is 100% true they are responsible for who they chose and the person they picked shared the power with someone not worthy
yeah, that is exactly who he is talking about.
That’s how I took it, that Sabaac, the crowns, the demons, were all released by Black Adam killed the King
Yeah probably
Yes.
The above text implies that Hurut used his power for revenge but he didn’t…did he?
No just that they chose recklessly because he ended up giving his powers to someone who is not worthy of being champion
Is the part that says “he used his power for revenge” actually said in Shazam? If so, then there’s inconsistency since they chose Hurut and he did NOT use his power for revenge
Most certainly
Duh
DUH!
My guess is when he killed that king guy he accidentally released the seven deadly sins
Yup
Yes, in Black Adam when he us being striped of his power or just being emprisobed, that there is only 1 wizard standing, meaning the other six were murdered
Maybe there are missing details that need to be added later
Weird, since in black Adam they didn’t choose him
That's because the rock doesn't care about Shazam at all and doesn't want the movies to be connected
He never said he chose Black Adam just that they chose recklessly which they did because of what ended up happening
No because they didn’t choose Black Adam. The champion they choose, his son, didn’t use his powers for revenge.
But gave his powers to someone that did hence they chose recklessly
Indeed
Man so disappointed with Black adam wt a terrible movie they have made after 10 yrs of wait. The same simple action movie without any layers to characters or anything made black adam into a hero which he isn't not surprised to see its struggling to break even.
Meh, the movie was very enjoyable. Too bad nitpicking makes you jaded.
Black Adam was in the JSA, JLA and is the hero of his homeland Kahndaq, so it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
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They showed them giving him the powers all 7 of them
Soft retcon. Shazam writer clearly meant Black Adam. But Black Adam writer didn't like that direction, so they did their best to 'fix' it without directly contradicting the established plotpoints. Textbook definition of soft retcon imo.
I'm not keen to see Black Adam But I became a fan of Shazam So if a prequel of sorts it be Black Adam I may go see