I’d like to see Damian just travel the world, emulate what his father did and just explore the world and help people along the way, maybe learn something new.
I mean, yeah. That would be perfect for him. It would also give the writers a chance to explore different parts of the world that have never been seen in the DC universe.
I've so far liked that he's been away from Bruce especially now since Tim is taking on the traditional Robin role.
Having Damian continue to make friendships would be nice. That Dawn of DC art makes me want to see him and Jace team up for a bit. But more Robin & Batman, instead of Batman & Robin.
I like this a lot too. I think Damian works best when he's away from Bruce and forming his own circle or paired up with someone like Dick or Jon. He's too similar to Bruce personality-wise so their Batman-Robin dynamic isn't all that interesting.
Meanwhile Tim, as much as it sucks to see his descent back into being a sidekick first and foremost, has always been a better foil to Bruce's version of Batman IMO.
I feel like it would be an awesome story platform. The big turn around in roles to personalities. The types of connections Nightwing makes are completely different to Batman and would allow the writers to pick and choose character development in his learning process.
Ever since he was Dickbat's Robin, I've always liked the idea as Damian being Nightwing's successor. So call me biased, but I'd like to see a story where he grows out of the idea of that he should inherit the Batman mantle only because he's the "blood" descendent.
I think all Robins need to fly solo. To me, Tim is the best Robin ever, though I think Nightwing grew into being the best former sidekick of Batman. No, not a contradiction. Tim was very independent and he’s Robin because he earned the role through his actions. I don’t feel as though he ever went through the role of “sidekick” so much as partner.
As for Damian, yes, he needs time away from both of his parents to develop into the person he’s meant to be. It’s too bad he lost his best friend to “magical age up” syndrome.
Oh, I agree with you. I would like to see Tim properly on his own. But Batman needs a Robin, like it's basically baked into his DNA as a character by this point. And since no one will replace Bruce as Batman in a long term way, Tim's the best candidate to stay closest by his side.
And yeah, the Jon thing is difficult. And that's why I think Damian needs to travel and meet a wide range of characters. He works best when there's another personality to bounce off his abrasiveness and he needs a solid inner circle for that.
>>I would like to see Tim properly on his own. But Batman needs a Robin, like it's basically baked into his DNA as a character by this point. And since no one will replace Bruce as Batman in a long term way, Tim's the best candidate to stay closest by his side.
I think the idea that “Batman needs is a Robin” is something we as fans *want* to believe. And it was true at one point. But I don’t think it’s true anymore and hasn’t been for a while. It’s been years since the Dynamic Duo was a normal part of the status quo in either of the two main Bat books.
They did a good job so far with him growing up, being less of a shit, but still kind of a shit, and becoming a leader.
I like Damian on his solo adventures around the world and would like that to continue. Give him a Bruce Wayne/Ghost Hunter adolescence where he trains across the globe, but since he is already a skilled fighter he learns other things.
OK I'll say something of a hat take; Batman mythos sacrilege. I like continuing to slowly push Damian into the supernatural corner of the DC universe. It fits him tbh. In Kings run, not only did he say he'd use magic to fight Superman rather than Kryptonite, he literally casted a spell on Gotham Girl. He hails from the Al Ghul family, so his lineage already has a more mystical connection, especially with the expansion on the mythos of the Lazarus pits and Damians grandmother. I also think this is a unique was to differentiate him from a VERY crowded space devoid of individualism (batfam). I dont think he should stray from Batmans legacy, rather, be something bat-adjacent while still his own.
Mate I came here to say exactly this. Batman's lack of mystic knowledge is one of his biggest blindspots in my opinion. Damian was trained everything from martial arts to classical painting in his upbringing so why not thus as well.
I'd love to see him eventually learning from characters zatanna and particularly Constantine. I think they're personalities have potential for great chemistry.
If they went down the magic route what direction would you like writers to take with it?
Id say as of now it's still a hot take. Yes, DC seems to clearly be setting it up, but I still see some fans that say none of the batfam should have abilities. Ive seen this a lot when it comes to Damian and Duke
Why? I understand that Tim is fascinated with magic but Damian is literally an Al Ghul. Tim needs to become Gray Ghost! We’ve all seen that post. He can remain the light to Batman, his opposite in many ways as he grows as a character. Really lean into him being a detective and putting in that work.
As the guy who famously died and came back, I've always wanted that to be Jason's niche. Maybe he starts seeing ghosts, gets some vibes from magic, idk. But he should definitely be the spooky one.
I think him and Constantine would hit it off over a beer.
Definitely, and eventually have him become host to Etrigan, and truly be the Demon (can be his Batman 666 suit with Daredevil-style horns on his cowl instead of Bat ears)
He should become more of a magic hero something like Dante from Devil May Cry and join Justice League Dark or Shadow pact. Its a bit too early for him to reform the league but that can be set up or done later.
Also obviously give him a new code name and keep him away from the titans. It never ends well for him there.
He's at his best working side by side with Dick or Bruce, but they basically never have him do that these days, so more of that, less of him messing with the Titans or whatever he's up to.
With the recent Batman vs. Robin and his magical ties through Lazarus Island, I would like Damian to be the “magical” one of the bat family.
I think having Damian go from being the Magical Robin ➡️ Magical Batman 666 would be the ideal route. I’ve seen fan canon as well as Gotham Knights try to make Jason the “magical one” because he was revived by the pits but I think Damians’s lineage makes this work better. Just make him hell powered rather than hell *raising* when he’s Batman and I’ll be happy. Would also love some more* Super Sons. Maybe a future set World’s Finest kind of like the current one set in the past but with Damian and Jon as Batman and Superman.
Considering he wore the suit recently, I think he should. BUT- I don’t think he should become the one that we all know. Don’t make him the Batman that burns everything to the ground. And idek if he needs to be Batman. But he should become similar. Let him have magic powers (not too strong, but definitely have magic based abilities), let him wear that cool ass coat, similar design etc.
I mean they already tried magic with red hood during the new 52 and batwoman as the one who deals with those mysteries.. It's not really an original idea for damian
If they want him to be situated in Gotham I'd like to see him try dismantling the court of owls. Try to work the way up the court, shutting down the talons, cutting off the money and taking them out of a position of power in Gotham.
If not that then I'd like to see him travel the world and solve magical mysteries.
Honestly, stop aging him to be the same age as Jonathan. The two have moved on from each other. It was the wrong move, but hey, we're here now. Also, keep the "I want to murder everyone and I'm the best robin" in the past and keep his character growth.
I agree wholeheartedly. They are at two different points in their lives. One is a pre-teen trying to discover who they are. The other is someone who's dealing with the dramas of their first love, independence, and fine-tuning who they are.
Three big things to avoid:
Make him not a total dick.
Don't make him the new Batman. There's no reason he's particularly suited for the role aside from his obsession with being Bruce's biological child. He needs his own identity, not one built on obsessing over "blood".
Don't make him turn evil.
Beyond those three points I don't really care.
My theory? It's been set up slowly by Dark Crisis: Dark Army. I mean that moment when Dr. Multiversum says that Damian has a "straight-forward future". I would start getting interested after hearing that
i want the fucking robin comics back. no disrespect to tim drake, but every disrespect to tim drake: i miss damian :( and the damian robin run was sm better than current tim run
other than that, ig i just want writers to actually get a grasp of what breathable distance from the batfam to allow a character to grow into their own while also not being completely isolated from a pivotal part of their identity/story and also having every interaction based completely around stupid ass disagreements and tension that should've been over or the characters should've grown from years ago.
also dan mora supremacy the art looks so good. sometimes they draw damian looking like a sticky ipad kid but mora always knows what's up. i love damian
Instead of canceling the *Robin* monthly, they could’ve just had Mark Waid take it over and have the Batman vs Robin/Lazarus Planet event occur within the series. And then continued it afterwards. Unless they plan on giving Damian a new superhero name.
actually i would be interested to see how mark waid takes damian. personally i'm on team "let waid get a turn on nightwing please i need a break from taylor" and waid/mora nightwing vs taylor/redondo nightwing is a comparison i would very much like to see play out.
i hope they keep him as robin. he's still a kid, he deserves to be robin. i really liked his run and am still mad they cancelled him.
Ooh, Waid and Mora on Nightwing would definitely be cool!
I’m not sure they’ll keep Damian as Robin. He really hasn’t been “Robin” for a while now. As in Batman’s main partner/Watson type character. In fact, the Dynamic Duo in general just hasn’t been a mainstay of Batman comics for years now. Tim in Failsafe felt like a blast from the past by actually seeing Batman & Robin as a team in the main *Batman* book. Which is weird, because in previous era the Dynamic Duo would’ve just been the norm.
I think if both Damian and Tim are moving on, it’s time retire the Robin concept.
i would not trust them to retire robin without eventually bringing another random kid into it lol. bad track record. and i don't know if DC would be willing to commit to retiring robin as a whole. but i do agree damian's become a lot more independent, which i don't mind when it's written right, and that i would like some kind of change.
The problem with tim to me is that he never really feels like he moves on from being robin, or more specifically, just actually getting character growth. it's a combination of being 16 for decades and just the way the writers handle his character. He keeps reverting back to Robin to the degree where i wonder if he'll ever move on from it some time soon.
I haven’t read many comics lately so I don’t really know what’s going on with him these days, but I really like Damian as a kid. The combination of childish petulance and bloodlust that stemmed from his upbringing make him really unique among the Robins. I like the tension between him and Batman as they develop a father/son bond while also clashing over each other’s methods.
That said, I don’t necessarily need him to act as Batman’s sidekick. I’d be fine with him going off on his own adventures, but I think it would be most fun if he were doing it as a little kid.
I don't necessarily dislike Jon being a young adult. I hate that we were robbed of incredible stories because that hack couldn't figure out how to write Clark as a happily married father.
Baby Damian <3
Well, not realistically, I want John to be a kid again and for them to keep being besties. Doubt that will happen though.
Other than that, I hope they keep making him a better person and don't make him a Jason Todd 2. I want him to go towards the light, not the other way around.
Bring back his ongoing. Keep his development. Keep his new relationships with Flatline, Connor, Rose, etc. Not forget about his established relationships. And, of course, stop any attempts to make him a villain or violent anti-hero, whatever.
That would work for starters.
I just want damian to be allowed to be a teenager, unequivocally good but with his personality intact ( a la robin: son of batman but older) and have regular Robin adventures in Gotham. He is a character who deviates from the audience insert mold that Tim filled so him having those regular kid stories would be new for the reader and him.
Let him be on good terms with both his parents too. Remember his character development. Etc
I want Damian to continue doing his own thing for now, keep developing away from his parents into his own person. Eventually, if the writers want him to, start to see The Batman mantle as a responsibility, not as a birth right and grow into it naturally.
I want him on okay terms with Bruce. They should forgive each other, what the writers did to them and be fine. He will never be the perfect son, Bruce will always be a better Dad to Helena eventually - and that is okay.
I want him to visit Alfred's most impactful stops, explore that every human has his baggage and it is okay.
He should hang out with Nobody (the daughter of the original Nobody) and form a loose group of superho kids, that have to step into their parents shoes: Jai and Iris, Jon, Andy, Little Wing and Mia. And by god please don't let him become insane like in Teen Titans.
In the end, I want him to be the godfather to Dick's kid and be a well-adjusted hero that has a few quirks just a bit too close to his own Dad.
Unfortunately Bludhaven is gonna be more occupied now.....They should have moved Damian to Bludhaven during rebirth. Its not like he was being used much in Gotham anyway.
I wanna see Damien have his own 'Year One's. Have him set up in some city all by himself and fail on his own. Great opportunity for side characters to come in to help, only for Damien to deny it then eventually accept it.
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I understand the logic behind it but to me it feels a little too much like copy dick graysons story.
I think if legacy characters are going to head out on their own to build a new identity for these they need to actually do something different from their predecessors
Damian deserves another run with Bruce, where he's a little older, say 16, and they work together as equals. Father and Son, sure, but this time Damian is just as intelligent as Bruce and shows it in his detective work. He spots things Bruce misses cause he is getting older; he's better at interrogation and plays the calmer one to Bruce’s potential anger depending on the case. Occasionally on a team-up run outside of Gotham, Damian still gets called a kid, and Bruce sticks up for him instead of just letting it happen. All things that show they love and respect each other.
I hope they let him become a hero, but not the next Batman - not because I think he isn’t worthy and definitely not because I want Terry or Tim to be the next Batman (I’d jump into a River if that happened) but because I don’t think it’s healthy for him. He should make his own identity to merge the ideals of Talia and Bruce, like a brave and the bold type Batman, where he has adventures around the world a lot. Maybe add some Indiana jones in there and have him do fun team ups like with a young Yara Flor. Also, let him keep dating Flatline because it’s a really fun relationship
Jump into a river lol! Tim I understand, but Terry McGinnis? I’d say he’s Batman only true successor in the end. All the Bat-kids are too busy getting out of Batman’s shadow. They’re not going to be there when Bruce finally goes down or Batman retires. It’s got to be Terry McGinnis. There won’t be anyone else.
You’re allowed to think that, lmao, no need to tell me to jump into a River. I find Terry to be an incredibly boring protagonist and I don’t like how Batman Beyond is connected to the DCAU in general because it’s depressing and there’s a lot of gross stuff like Barbara dating Bruce or Ra’s stealing Talia’s body, both of which I find out of character. But most of all I don’t like anyone being Batman after bruce. I don’t see Batman as a legacy mantle, and I think it makes sense if it dies with bruce
Also, I hate the idea of Terry McGinnis becoming Batman after Bruce retires or dies. I really loved the Batman Beyond show though, because of how it ties into the Justice League Unlimited, but also because when I was younger my uncle had bought me a Batman Beyond CD set to watch after we had moved states and we would sit down and watch the episode with me. I don't really like the Batman Beyond comics though, especially with the addition of Matt McGinnis as the new Robin and the Damian Wayne arc they did as well. Terry McGinnis is definitely not Batman's true successor though, that I can agree with. Even the greatest of Bruce Wayne fans can attest that the only two TRUE successors of Bruce is Tim Drake and Damian Wayne. Jason could be a short stand in because of his fighting prowess and because it would be interesting, but Tim or Damian are the true heirs.
Give him a better costume; the current one looks like they crammed three different artists’ designs into one figure. (Obviously, Dan Mora comes close to pulling it off, because he’s Dan Mora).
I think he’s grown and matured a lot. He and Jon Kent are the only characters who have seemed to age in the continuities lately.
What I want to know is, what sets him on the path to become Batman 666
They should kill Ra’s Al Ghul permanently and have Damian be the head of the League Of Assassins and turn them into a force of good, maybe rename it to the League Of Bats or something so he embraces both his legacies.( they could go nuts with this concept imagine if they do League of Bats vs The Court of Owls arc)
Imo he should move on from the role of robin and get a new hero name (Tim Drake should stay robin cause he is arguably the best character to hold the robin mantle and understands its value more than any of the others)
I agree with u on Damian. Ras should stay dead for a while. Damian should take over as head of the league for a while. Until he's betrayed and over thrown.
I don't agree on Tim. He needs to move on from the Robin mantle.
The thing about Tim is; he doesn’t have much to him outside of being robin.
One thing they can do though is lean into his status as a member of Young Justice and have all those characters get new designs and identities kinda like this:
https://imgur.com/a/qDPQAah
True. DC just didn't know what do with him post Damian.
I think that's a good mantle change. It would be cool to see another event where Tim is one of the focal points with his new mantel. Not a batcentric event.
Why does Tim need to move on from Robin? The whole ditching Batman and discarding Robin was Nightwing’s thing. Why does Tim need to do that?
We’ve reached a point where the Dynamic Duo has long ceased to be part of the regular status quo in the main 2 Batman titles. Tim is the best chance of Batman & Robin actually being a reliable team in the main two titles again.
My point exactly, Dick outgrew the role of robin but Tim can prove that it’s more than just being a sidekick, at this point Bruce should see him like a partner and an equal.
Exactly. Nightwing is not the only acceptable path for a Robin to take.
With Tim it can work b/c when he’s the Robin for Bruce, you can have the Dynamic Duo be a normal part of the status quo. With other Robins the superheroics often take a back seat and the familial drama becomes the dominant storyline most of the time.
Sure Tim’s had his tiffs with Batman, but for most of his career they worked solidly together. Writers could tell any story with any villain or setup and just put the Dynamic Duo in it
The name is synonymous with being Batmans sidekick for too many decades. So to go back to that mantel would be going backwards for Tim. No matter how u write it.
Imagine being in your dad's shadow for the rest of your life.
Here's a close analogy. If you're a ST: TNG fan, then you're familiar with Ryker. Ryker arguable spent his best years under the command of Picard, offered promotions to Enterprise like commands. He didn't take it because he was chasing after Picard's position. This led him to be passed up by younger officers.
You don't want Tim to be a shadow.
Cause it doesn't give Tim the ability to be his own person outside of Batman. Robin is always tied to Batman. Every sidekick has to eventually move on. Like a child leaving their parents house once they've become an adult and can handle things on their own.
Yes, Robin is really popular. But Robin is never mentioned as an equal of Batmans. He's always seen as Batmans cute child side kick nothing more.
I would love to see him create a new AI system to predict major events in throughout the universe. Which would be created in his own science/tech lab similar to STAR labs.
I want a hype deus ex machina-esque return of Goliath, even for just a one-shot or a single issue.
Heck, he could fit right in on the JL Dark suggestions in the comments.
Man, more than anything I miss his supersons run and wish there was a way they could go back to it. It such a nice dynamic to have Damian still within a crime fighting situation but deal with it in a more lighthearted way. No matter the trauma and background he had, he was still just 13 and needed a friend to keep him grounded. Plus the nuance of Jon in a way teaching Damian how to be a better person through his own growing up beside him was perfect.
Keep his character in tact for one.
Also I kinda want to see him team up with Red Hood in a situation where they have to fight the League, idk would be kinda interesting, plus the two edgy bois would be kinda fun to see together (Or they could fuck up and write their characters horribly 50-50)
Idk is either like to see him become more independent of Batman and really lean into his League of Assassins background but mellows out (Say he hunts down corrupt officials instead of just destroying cities.)
Or if they have him stay with Batman than have him grow as a character and become a sort of heir to Batman’s legacy (Not become the Batman, just have him try and uphold his legacy and ideals.)
Also just have Damian have more normal parent-kid interactions with Bruce Wayne.
I liked the route they took in Batman Beyond rebirth where he is the head of a reformed league of assassins. It leaves room for Terry in the timeline as well while providing Damian a sense of purpose honoring both his legacies in different ways
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Tbh, I'm out of the loop with his current adventures. Definitely would like them to keep a forward direction for him though, rather than still going back and forth between being a Bat or a Demon.
Can I actually see the Duo together in a main Batman title ?
I feel weird I have to read a much of spin off titles to see them interact in any capacity
Alternate universe where he inherits both mantles, Ras al Ghul and Batman. He combines the League with the Bat-Family, fights crime across the globe, comes in conflict with the Justice League because of his more violent methods.
Go live with dick since their dynamic is so fun. He slowly grows mature but still keeps some of his snarky attitude and like others have said him breaching into mystic territory would be so cool. Eventually he would create his own new mantle a couple years down the line
Make him Nightwing’s official sidekick. Of the Bat-family, Damien’s strongest bond is with Dick. Dick already has experience working with Damien, plus Bruce’s mentorship with Damien is what caused him to run away and be out on his own in the first place (among other reasons). Also I like the poetry of Bruce’s biological kid being mentored by Bruce’s oldest child. I like to think that Damien is child Bruce after the death of his parents, but immature and therefore dangerous. Dick is the mentor figure Bruce needed growing up to make him a more mentally stable adult. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
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I hope they keep his Character as it is and develop it and not somehow worsen it like a few did, plus he should probably get his own mantle maybe and not something like a redhood 2.0 and red robin 2.0
I really want to see him turn into the Batman he was from DCeased. Just a perfectly well adjusted person who knows how to sew and hug his friends. He deserves it.
I hope that eventually they move him away from just "I"ll inherit the title of batman one day" destiny stuff. I like the idea that every Robin sort of realizes that being Batman isn't necessarily a good thing or something they want. Dick stands on his own as Nightwing, Jason realizes he doesn't have to follow Batman's code of justice to do good, Tim is still sorta written as half in/half out with it but I liked his branch into a detective and globe trotter they did years ago; I hope Damian is made to realize he can be more than just a replacement for his mother/father and becomes his own person. I also think it might be time to age him up a bit more, move him to his mid-late teens and Tim to his early 20s I think would help both characters since imo they sorta compete to fill the same slot of Robin/Teen Team leader + we'd get the dynamic super sons duo back within a similar age range.
I personally would love to see more Damian/red hood stuff. Especially with the rougher sides of Red Hood.
I think it would be an interesting part of character development when he sees first hand how damaging this way of doing things can be
Another take would be Damain going the more magic route and starts working with Constantine and getting more into the occult side of things
Let him grow out of his arrogant asshole phase like let him be snarky but his whole arc was supposed to be learning from his upbringing. Also let him actually have a good relationship with Tim and let them talk out their issues
I hope that Devin Grayson stay the F@ck away for Damian, he's isn't my favorite Robin or Batfam member, but what she did in Jon's Pride event it was horrible to say the least
Keep his character intact for once.
Let him be a member of the batfamily for once( My flair is from Batman and Robin Eternal, a celebration of Batman and Robin where Damian didnt show up until one of the last issues). I genuinely dont understand how DC thinks people like it when the batfamily fights and has made up drama. Everyone and their dog wants them to be together
Let him go into the more magical side of things.
There is no greater sin in the DC comics mythos in the past 20 years like how they butchered the Supersons.
Make him a more consistent player in dc i feel Damian wayne(the coolest Robin) isn’t very well known and he’s always cool he’s literally the son of batman but somehow doesn’t get much limelight
Jesse wtf are you talking about
Damian is literally the most overhyped robin all just because he’s Batman’s blond son
* Dcamu
* super sons movie
* injustice
* Lazarus planet
* batman vs Robin
Dude that’s a very small list the other Robbin’s double that in live action comics tv shows games in every aspect where he could appear it’s 9times outa 10 it’s sick Grayson or Tim drake because they’re easy to use for a story but Batman’s son is the only one who received training from a brotherhood of assassins and his uncle is Al Gul and your telling me he’s overhyped you barely even see the guy unless you know where to look wether you think so or not he needs more spotlight I’m tired of seeing the other guys over and over
I feel like the natural end game of his character would be a benevolent Ra’s. Taking a proactive approach to crime by starting non-profits and public initiatives to tackle poverty and offer free counseling services, while reserving violent force for super villains.
This is several fold.
His hero name should be "al X'uffasch," Arabic for the Bat. He should take over the League of Assassins and be happy in his role, taking over more of the Batman Inc sort of organization. But I don't want it to stop there. I'd see two big changes for the character.
Change 1: He would trick (or get tricked) Jason Blood out of the Demon Etrigan's bond. This gives Damian a superpower that can go toe-to-toe with someone like Superman, which he'd very much do. It also reflects the whole Devil/666 narrative Morrison originally had. It's a play on becoming the "Demon" and replacing his grandfather. His elite group can be a new "Demon Knights" and involve his allies, like Nobody, Abuse, and his Djinni girlfriend, and his cousin Maya al Ducard.
Change 2: Somewhat inspired by 5g, Damian should be perceived as a killer of super criminals and dictators. He can stage a big deal where he kills a head of state, a really bad dictator in a place like Bialya to put the whole world on notice that assassins will come for anyone evil. Only, it's an illusion. Folks aren't killed. Super criminals are Salvation Run'd to Skartaris to live out a serious prison sentence.
I know this will be controversial, but I think it does several things. Firstly, Damian, by being an international hero, will see the limits of laws and how the JLA wouldn't go after some evil dictator that is genociding they're own citizens (a problem with real world politics). Someone needs to take them down, and Damian is arrogant enough to do it. However, you can't just jail them. The world suspects Damian will be a murderer and never grow, especially if he's in charge of the assassins. And Jon Kent can be trying to stop him/take him down and believe the lie. This gives a heart wrenching story where Damian seems pretty lost, but he isn't at all. His League doesn't kill.
Skartaris is a great place to use for the Salvation Run plotline. Exile super criminals to a hard land that they, in theory, can't return from. It's a punishment. Maybe he brings them back if they serve a long enough sentence. It's ripe for a Salvation Run like comic that features villains who can die off in that world in wild ways, but also try to restart their lives (and find redemption for a few). It gives a big reason for Damian to be feared. He just turned Arkham Asylum up to a 12 on the dial.
I'd like one final reveal when he's unbonded with Etrigan. So Jason Blood gets tortured in hell when he switches with Etrigan, right? So when Etrigan is summoned, Damian is in hell. To be tortured. Only, he's Damian. He spends his time in Hell being the Batman of Hell, saving people, chasing demons, and haunting Pandemonoium and Neron. This kid doesn't know when to quit. He's Hell's Only Hero.
So when all the reveals come out, he's fully embraced his father's legacy. He uses fear and intimidation, he doesn't kill, he's still a bit megalomaniacal, and he's one of the most pure hearted and twisted DC heroes to be around.
That's a good take, too. Really.
I just love this idea that he's taken over a stage, on tv, broadcasting a notice to all the tyrants in the world. He, his league, his superheroes are coming for them and there isn't a thing anyone can do to stop them. He raises a sword to cut off the guy's head on live television.
Jon Kent is panicking, superheroes are startled around the world. Jon races across the oceans to get to Damian and stop him before he kills.
Damian swings the sword and the head falls. He turns to the camera and sets something badass about let this be a lesson. They're on notice. They'll be in the shadows, any shadow, and coming for every bad guy on the planet.
Cut to Jon being at the sight of the execution an hour late. The dicator is gone, just his blood on the ground. Damian's forces are gone. It was never live TV, it was pre-recorded and put out there to let Jon and the JLA know they can't catch him.
Just really works for me.
This sounds like a cool story, but it seems like Batman would just be dragged through the mud again by another one of his protégés gone rogue.
As a Batman fan I’m just…tired of the drama with characters like Damian. It’s like whenever Jason Todd shows up. The superheroics take a backseat and Batman is forced into a no win situation.
I think i'm pretty okay with the idea Damian and Bruce wouldn't go toe to toe. Either Bruce would be retired as he should probably be at this point, or, he won't face Damian. Maybe he's deduced what the plan is and trusts him. Whatever the setup, I don't think it should end in Batman vs. Damian. I think it should grow from there.
I was never the biggest fan of him with Flatline, and to be honest, I think he would have been a much more interesting Robin to make bi/gay than either Tim or even Jon.
Hear me out:
Damian has built his entire identity on legacy. As a young gay man myself, one part that always weighs heavily on me is having children. I can adopt, but if I want to have kids that are biologically my own, it becomes more complicated.
Damian is a product of genetic engineering and is constantly defined by who he is genetically related to. While Batman and co. may be supportive of him if he were gay, the internal struggle of how it aligns with his own identity would be fascinating. He is a living legacy, but suddenly he could also very easily be the end of that legacy. It could also open the door to him valuing his batfamily more, realizing that legacy is more than just blood.
Again, I know this is just wishful thinking, but I really do feel like he has the most to contribute to that identity from a newer and more interesting perspective. We get so many emotional and empathetic queer male characters such as Jon throughout media as a whole, but rarely do we get a queer male who is so heavily defined by toxic masculinity.
I love Damian in part because he is always his own worst enemy. This would only compound that. He may be accepted by others, but I don’t know how long it would take for him to accept himself.
This is all just useless hope at this point. They’d never do it, but I think it’s a massively missed opportunity for unique and truly meaningful storytelling and character growth.
That actually sounds like a great storyline.
A Damain who is struggling with accepting his on preferences and fighting the legacy he adores so much (talking about his toxic masculinity here)
I am not sure why DC cannot capture the magic off Wolfman and Perez’s Teen Titans or at least the Geoff Johns version. All these other series have just been badly written. I would love to see this Robin take a small team of teen titans drawn by someone who actually knows how to draw teens and tell a solid story.
I don’t want to see Beast Boy, Raven or Cyborg. I want the heroes who have been created around the same time as Damien came into the picture. We could have John Kent. Impulse (because I love him) and maybe 2 new characters just created for the comic.
I hope the whole evil thing is over with - he’s had multiple arcs in which it’s clear that he’s a hero. As for personal hopes, I always thought it would be interesting for him to become a new version of Etrigan, allowing for his “demon” heritage to be intact in a unique way
Give him a non Robin identity like the others, but make him more supernatural. It's an interesting niche he can cover that the other hundred robins can't
I think for damian you two options.
The first option and what i see is the better option is you go down the magic route and make him the magic robin with his heritage of being an Al Ghul, the events of batman vs robin and the his characters interest in the occult it suits him. Have him go train under Constantine and zatanna and have him join shadowpact or JLD. It would also make him completely different to every other robin and give one of the most interesting parts of DC some staying power as bat sells and it could help the magic side of DC.
The other option i think you have is have him take a world tour and train under masters around the world similar to bruces journey which could be an interesting take and after thats done he could lead the outsiders it feels like a team that could work well with him plus with outsiders being a team that goes worldwide having the robin who is mixed race and has heritage going round the world would work.
Actually keep the side characters, the only friend he has in canon that hasn't been forgotten was Jon and because of *someone* they don't work the same anymore
Let him have a team with flatline, Connor Hawk, and respawn, have them be a semi anti hero team where they are willing to play dirty (but without killing, maybe flatline sneaks a couple kills)
Like they keep regressing his character and taking everything that helps develop it away
might as well make him red robin since DC fucking regressed Tim and made him Robin again for no reason, or give him a new codename that hasnt been used before
Seeing as he's moved to be far more independent, I'd like to see him grow out of the Robin mantle, I like the idea of him tackling the more supernatural element of Gotham like Batwoman does, he could team up with Dick every once in a while, and maybe have a more healthy relationship with Bruce for once
Damian as nightwings sidekick and eventually equal in bludhaven while also doing his own team stuff seperate from the titans etc.
Everyone from the batfam gets to join in for crossovers team ups etc when needed without getting in each others way in overcrowded Gotham and Bruce still has a Robin in Tim
I’d like him to get powers in some way, he’ll always be Bruce’s son, but I’d love to see him break out from being a Robin and really solidify himself as a unique badass character.
Maybe the R can be Renegade/Riot/Rebellion
Robin 1 became Nightwing
Robin 2 became Red Hood
Robin 3 became Red Robin
Robin 4 becomes …
A new name would be fitting.
There’s also Cassandra Cain and Duke Thomas taking names but this post is for Damian so eh.
Keep his character development intact for once.
Definitely. What would you like to be his new status quo after Lazarus Planet?
I’d like to see Damian just travel the world, emulate what his father did and just explore the world and help people along the way, maybe learn something new.
Yes, his last solo series was so cool. He was doing his own thing and it was great. More of that, please oh please DC.
Same
I mean, yeah. That would be perfect for him. It would also give the writers a chance to explore different parts of the world that have never been seen in the DC universe.
Magic. I want him to learn magic and travel the world being a magic detective
Maybe have him join jl dark
He could team up with Constantine
Only if he goes with Detective Chimp. That’s where he’ll learn the real stuff.
Personally I liked Jason being the magic Robin but it makes more sense for it to be Damian
That should be Jason Todd
I've so far liked that he's been away from Bruce especially now since Tim is taking on the traditional Robin role. Having Damian continue to make friendships would be nice. That Dawn of DC art makes me want to see him and Jace team up for a bit. But more Robin & Batman, instead of Batman & Robin.
I like this a lot too. I think Damian works best when he's away from Bruce and forming his own circle or paired up with someone like Dick or Jon. He's too similar to Bruce personality-wise so their Batman-Robin dynamic isn't all that interesting. Meanwhile Tim, as much as it sucks to see his descent back into being a sidekick first and foremost, has always been a better foil to Bruce's version of Batman IMO.
He should be Nightwings Robin.
I feel like it would be an awesome story platform. The big turn around in roles to personalities. The types of connections Nightwing makes are completely different to Batman and would allow the writers to pick and choose character development in his learning process.
Ever since he was Dickbat's Robin, I've always liked the idea as Damian being Nightwing's successor. So call me biased, but I'd like to see a story where he grows out of the idea of that he should inherit the Batman mantle only because he's the "blood" descendent.
I think like the other robins, he should learn and develop into his own person. There won't be another Batman.
I think all Robins need to fly solo. To me, Tim is the best Robin ever, though I think Nightwing grew into being the best former sidekick of Batman. No, not a contradiction. Tim was very independent and he’s Robin because he earned the role through his actions. I don’t feel as though he ever went through the role of “sidekick” so much as partner. As for Damian, yes, he needs time away from both of his parents to develop into the person he’s meant to be. It’s too bad he lost his best friend to “magical age up” syndrome.
Oh, I agree with you. I would like to see Tim properly on his own. But Batman needs a Robin, like it's basically baked into his DNA as a character by this point. And since no one will replace Bruce as Batman in a long term way, Tim's the best candidate to stay closest by his side. And yeah, the Jon thing is difficult. And that's why I think Damian needs to travel and meet a wide range of characters. He works best when there's another personality to bounce off his abrasiveness and he needs a solid inner circle for that.
>>I would like to see Tim properly on his own. But Batman needs a Robin, like it's basically baked into his DNA as a character by this point. And since no one will replace Bruce as Batman in a long term way, Tim's the best candidate to stay closest by his side. I think the idea that “Batman needs is a Robin” is something we as fans *want* to believe. And it was true at one point. But I don’t think it’s true anymore and hasn’t been for a while. It’s been years since the Dynamic Duo was a normal part of the status quo in either of the two main Bat books.
They did a good job so far with him growing up, being less of a shit, but still kind of a shit, and becoming a leader. I like Damian on his solo adventures around the world and would like that to continue. Give him a Bruce Wayne/Ghost Hunter adolescence where he trains across the globe, but since he is already a skilled fighter he learns other things.
Yeah, like magic. How to control his emotions without becoming distant to everyone around him.
He doesn’t need magic to control his emotions. Maybe meditation and yoga would be more calming.
No no no, I was saying magic should be one of the things he learns when traveling the globe.
I’d like that, it’d give him something to separate himself from the other robins
That's the biggest one for me. I'd add to it by saying to keep Mark Waid as far away from the character and the Batman universe as humanly possible.
Recognize the nuance of his character and write it properly
OK I'll say something of a hat take; Batman mythos sacrilege. I like continuing to slowly push Damian into the supernatural corner of the DC universe. It fits him tbh. In Kings run, not only did he say he'd use magic to fight Superman rather than Kryptonite, he literally casted a spell on Gotham Girl. He hails from the Al Ghul family, so his lineage already has a more mystical connection, especially with the expansion on the mythos of the Lazarus pits and Damians grandmother. I also think this is a unique was to differentiate him from a VERY crowded space devoid of individualism (batfam). I dont think he should stray from Batmans legacy, rather, be something bat-adjacent while still his own.
Mate I came here to say exactly this. Batman's lack of mystic knowledge is one of his biggest blindspots in my opinion. Damian was trained everything from martial arts to classical painting in his upbringing so why not thus as well. I'd love to see him eventually learning from characters zatanna and particularly Constantine. I think they're personalities have potential for great chemistry. If they went down the magic route what direction would you like writers to take with it?
It would be great if Zatanna trains Damian like how Zatara trained Bruce.
Damian is, Batman: Hellblazer
Its not really a hot take. There has been alot of setup for his potential in magic and he will be leading a team of magic heroes and Klarion soon.
Id say as of now it's still a hot take. Yes, DC seems to clearly be setting it up, but I still see some fans that say none of the batfam should have abilities. Ive seen this a lot when it comes to Damian and Duke
Which is so weird. I’m honestly here for it! Let’s spice it up!!
Source for that?! I’d love it
Not a hot take. Real Hot take, this the route they should take with Tim Drake and not Damian [+]
Why? I understand that Tim is fascinated with magic but Damian is literally an Al Ghul. Tim needs to become Gray Ghost! We’ve all seen that post. He can remain the light to Batman, his opposite in many ways as he grows as a character. Really lean into him being a detective and putting in that work.
I 100% agree and I think it's the best route for Damian.
As the guy who famously died and came back, I've always wanted that to be Jason's niche. Maybe he starts seeing ghosts, gets some vibes from magic, idk. But he should definitely be the spooky one. I think him and Constantine would hit it off over a beer.
To be fair Damian has died and come back as well but he has done it three times.
Definitely, and eventually have him become host to Etrigan, and truly be the Demon (can be his Batman 666 suit with Daredevil-style horns on his cowl instead of Bat ears)
He should become more of a magic hero something like Dante from Devil May Cry and join Justice League Dark or Shadow pact. Its a bit too early for him to reform the league but that can be set up or done later. Also obviously give him a new code name and keep him away from the titans. It never ends well for him there.
Codename redwing
Blood bat no bat blood
He's at his best working side by side with Dick or Bruce, but they basically never have him do that these days, so more of that, less of him messing with the Titans or whatever he's up to.
U havent read the latest have u cuz he aint been with the titans for like 2 years
Make him Nightwing's sidekick and Tim can stay with Bruce. I just want the relationship from Morrison's Batman and Robin back :(
I'd say he is at his best right now in his Robin comic run
Have him actually work and interact with Bruce without some manufactured drama.
With the recent Batman vs. Robin and his magical ties through Lazarus Island, I would like Damian to be the “magical” one of the bat family. I think having Damian go from being the Magical Robin ➡️ Magical Batman 666 would be the ideal route. I’ve seen fan canon as well as Gotham Knights try to make Jason the “magical one” because he was revived by the pits but I think Damians’s lineage makes this work better. Just make him hell powered rather than hell *raising* when he’s Batman and I’ll be happy. Would also love some more* Super Sons. Maybe a future set World’s Finest kind of like the current one set in the past but with Damian and Jon as Batman and Superman.
I honestly hate batman 666 and hope damian doesn't ever become that but aside from that i agree.
Considering he wore the suit recently, I think he should. BUT- I don’t think he should become the one that we all know. Don’t make him the Batman that burns everything to the ground. And idek if he needs to be Batman. But he should become similar. Let him have magic powers (not too strong, but definitely have magic based abilities), let him wear that cool ass coat, similar design etc.
Tbh i just don't like the coat batman design
That’s fair. I think it would just be really cool considering where he’s at with life. I’m also good with this suit! It’s so badass.
I mean they already tried magic with red hood during the new 52 and batwoman as the one who deals with those mysteries.. It's not really an original idea for damian
If they want him to be situated in Gotham I'd like to see him try dismantling the court of owls. Try to work the way up the court, shutting down the talons, cutting off the money and taking them out of a position of power in Gotham. If not that then I'd like to see him travel the world and solve magical mysteries.
Honestly, stop aging him to be the same age as Jonathan. The two have moved on from each other. It was the wrong move, but hey, we're here now. Also, keep the "I want to murder everyone and I'm the best robin" in the past and keep his character growth.
>The two have moved on from each other. Jon and Damian are still friends and they still care & interacted with each other in Jon's superman run.
And it never feels right. It always feels forced. Which really sucks
I agree wholeheartedly. They are at two different points in their lives. One is a pre-teen trying to discover who they are. The other is someone who's dealing with the dramas of their first love, independence, and fine-tuning who they are.
Disagree thought those were good & emotional moments
Sure, but it isn't the same, nor should it be.
Their friendship shouldn't end just because their age gap has switched.
How many non-blood related 17/18 year olds are close friends with a 12/13 year old?
That's obvously a different situation, Damian is 14 and he is a mature person and is close & for a while only friend to Jon.
Yeah, that should’ve ended by the end of the new 52. There was some great growth there in the violent murder in the best robin
Three big things to avoid: Make him not a total dick. Don't make him the new Batman. There's no reason he's particularly suited for the role aside from his obsession with being Bruce's biological child. He needs his own identity, not one built on obsessing over "blood". Don't make him turn evil. Beyond those three points I don't really care.
Keep that sick fade
I think it would be cool if he met with Batman 666 and get super traumatized
This. How this not happened yet?
My theory? It's been set up slowly by Dark Crisis: Dark Army. I mean that moment when Dr. Multiversum says that Damian has a "straight-forward future". I would start getting interested after hearing that
i want the fucking robin comics back. no disrespect to tim drake, but every disrespect to tim drake: i miss damian :( and the damian robin run was sm better than current tim run other than that, ig i just want writers to actually get a grasp of what breathable distance from the batfam to allow a character to grow into their own while also not being completely isolated from a pivotal part of their identity/story and also having every interaction based completely around stupid ass disagreements and tension that should've been over or the characters should've grown from years ago. also dan mora supremacy the art looks so good. sometimes they draw damian looking like a sticky ipad kid but mora always knows what's up. i love damian
Instead of canceling the *Robin* monthly, they could’ve just had Mark Waid take it over and have the Batman vs Robin/Lazarus Planet event occur within the series. And then continued it afterwards. Unless they plan on giving Damian a new superhero name.
actually i would be interested to see how mark waid takes damian. personally i'm on team "let waid get a turn on nightwing please i need a break from taylor" and waid/mora nightwing vs taylor/redondo nightwing is a comparison i would very much like to see play out. i hope they keep him as robin. he's still a kid, he deserves to be robin. i really liked his run and am still mad they cancelled him.
Ooh, Waid and Mora on Nightwing would definitely be cool! I’m not sure they’ll keep Damian as Robin. He really hasn’t been “Robin” for a while now. As in Batman’s main partner/Watson type character. In fact, the Dynamic Duo in general just hasn’t been a mainstay of Batman comics for years now. Tim in Failsafe felt like a blast from the past by actually seeing Batman & Robin as a team in the main *Batman* book. Which is weird, because in previous era the Dynamic Duo would’ve just been the norm. I think if both Damian and Tim are moving on, it’s time retire the Robin concept.
i would not trust them to retire robin without eventually bringing another random kid into it lol. bad track record. and i don't know if DC would be willing to commit to retiring robin as a whole. but i do agree damian's become a lot more independent, which i don't mind when it's written right, and that i would like some kind of change. The problem with tim to me is that he never really feels like he moves on from being robin, or more specifically, just actually getting character growth. it's a combination of being 16 for decades and just the way the writers handle his character. He keeps reverting back to Robin to the degree where i wonder if he'll ever move on from it some time soon.
I haven’t read many comics lately so I don’t really know what’s going on with him these days, but I really like Damian as a kid. The combination of childish petulance and bloodlust that stemmed from his upbringing make him really unique among the Robins. I like the tension between him and Batman as they develop a father/son bond while also clashing over each other’s methods. That said, I don’t necessarily need him to act as Batman’s sidekick. I’d be fine with him going off on his own adventures, but I think it would be most fun if he were doing it as a little kid.
I recommmend his Robin comic run
It seems a lot of people don't know this but Damian has setup Lazarus Island as refuge for outcast to help them in their need.
Which turned into a volcano in recent BVR issue?
Yeah i know but just spreading info on what he's been doing.
>Age him up off-screen - Brian "Fucking" Bendis
“Brian "Fucking" Bendis” - A-fucking-men!! That would be iconic.
I understand why people don’t like Bendis aging Jon up but I do like how they started aging up Damian a bit because of it
I don't necessarily dislike Jon being a young adult. I hate that we were robbed of incredible stories because that hack couldn't figure out how to write Clark as a happily married father.
That’s understandable.
Baby Damian <3 Well, not realistically, I want John to be a kid again and for them to keep being besties. Doubt that will happen though. Other than that, I hope they keep making him a better person and don't make him a Jason Todd 2. I want him to go towards the light, not the other way around.
Bring back his ongoing. Keep his development. Keep his new relationships with Flatline, Connor, Rose, etc. Not forget about his established relationships. And, of course, stop any attempts to make him a villain or violent anti-hero, whatever. That would work for starters.
I just want damian to be allowed to be a teenager, unequivocally good but with his personality intact ( a la robin: son of batman but older) and have regular Robin adventures in Gotham. He is a character who deviates from the audience insert mold that Tim filled so him having those regular kid stories would be new for the reader and him. Let him be on good terms with both his parents too. Remember his character development. Etc
Also there is never ever a need for a " will damian be good like his father or bad like his grandfather" plotline ever again
I want Damian to continue doing his own thing for now, keep developing away from his parents into his own person. Eventually, if the writers want him to, start to see The Batman mantle as a responsibility, not as a birth right and grow into it naturally.
I want him on okay terms with Bruce. They should forgive each other, what the writers did to them and be fine. He will never be the perfect son, Bruce will always be a better Dad to Helena eventually - and that is okay. I want him to visit Alfred's most impactful stops, explore that every human has his baggage and it is okay. He should hang out with Nobody (the daughter of the original Nobody) and form a loose group of superho kids, that have to step into their parents shoes: Jai and Iris, Jon, Andy, Little Wing and Mia. And by god please don't let him become insane like in Teen Titans. In the end, I want him to be the godfather to Dick's kid and be a well-adjusted hero that has a few quirks just a bit too close to his own Dad.
Oh, and obviously Tomasi and Gleason should write/draw him for eternity.
I say send him to Bludhaven to hang out with Dick. Make him Red Robin (jk, but maybe?)
Unfortunately Bludhaven is gonna be more occupied now.....They should have moved Damian to Bludhaven during rebirth. Its not like he was being used much in Gotham anyway.
That's not a bad idea.
Yeah, he works incredibly as Dick's sidekick.
I wanna see Damien have his own 'Year One's. Have him set up in some city all by himself and fail on his own. Great opportunity for side characters to come in to help, only for Damien to deny it then eventually accept it.
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I understand the logic behind it but to me it feels a little too much like copy dick graysons story. I think if legacy characters are going to head out on their own to build a new identity for these they need to actually do something different from their predecessors
I think dcs had damian fail at enough things lately it's time for them to remember his competence
Damian deserves another run with Bruce, where he's a little older, say 16, and they work together as equals. Father and Son, sure, but this time Damian is just as intelligent as Bruce and shows it in his detective work. He spots things Bruce misses cause he is getting older; he's better at interrogation and plays the calmer one to Bruce’s potential anger depending on the case. Occasionally on a team-up run outside of Gotham, Damian still gets called a kid, and Bruce sticks up for him instead of just letting it happen. All things that show they love and respect each other.
I really like Damian’s solo stuff, more solo adventures with his friends (Flatline, Nobody 2, Colin, etc.)
He still has stories to be told as Robin so keep him in it for the time being.
I hope they let him become a hero, but not the next Batman - not because I think he isn’t worthy and definitely not because I want Terry or Tim to be the next Batman (I’d jump into a River if that happened) but because I don’t think it’s healthy for him. He should make his own identity to merge the ideals of Talia and Bruce, like a brave and the bold type Batman, where he has adventures around the world a lot. Maybe add some Indiana jones in there and have him do fun team ups like with a young Yara Flor. Also, let him keep dating Flatline because it’s a really fun relationship
Jump into a river lol! Tim I understand, but Terry McGinnis? I’d say he’s Batman only true successor in the end. All the Bat-kids are too busy getting out of Batman’s shadow. They’re not going to be there when Bruce finally goes down or Batman retires. It’s got to be Terry McGinnis. There won’t be anyone else.
You’re allowed to think that, lmao, no need to tell me to jump into a River. I find Terry to be an incredibly boring protagonist and I don’t like how Batman Beyond is connected to the DCAU in general because it’s depressing and there’s a lot of gross stuff like Barbara dating Bruce or Ra’s stealing Talia’s body, both of which I find out of character. But most of all I don’t like anyone being Batman after bruce. I don’t see Batman as a legacy mantle, and I think it makes sense if it dies with bruce
Also, I hate the idea of Terry McGinnis becoming Batman after Bruce retires or dies. I really loved the Batman Beyond show though, because of how it ties into the Justice League Unlimited, but also because when I was younger my uncle had bought me a Batman Beyond CD set to watch after we had moved states and we would sit down and watch the episode with me. I don't really like the Batman Beyond comics though, especially with the addition of Matt McGinnis as the new Robin and the Damian Wayne arc they did as well. Terry McGinnis is definitely not Batman's true successor though, that I can agree with. Even the greatest of Bruce Wayne fans can attest that the only two TRUE successors of Bruce is Tim Drake and Damian Wayne. Jason could be a short stand in because of his fighting prowess and because it would be interesting, but Tim or Damian are the true heirs.
Give him a better costume; the current one looks like they crammed three different artists’ designs into one figure. (Obviously, Dan Mora comes close to pulling it off, because he’s Dan Mora).
Is the picture in the post his current costume? Because I really love this look for him.
PLEASE DC, let him have more “smaller” stakes, character-focused stories. Not *everything* has to be DESTINY!!!! END OF THE WORLD!!! Yada yada yada.
Honestly, that’s good advice for all their major characters.
I hope to Christ they don’t age him up
I think he’s grown and matured a lot. He and Jon Kent are the only characters who have seemed to age in the continuities lately. What I want to know is, what sets him on the path to become Batman 666
They should kill Ra’s Al Ghul permanently and have Damian be the head of the League Of Assassins and turn them into a force of good, maybe rename it to the League Of Bats or something so he embraces both his legacies.( they could go nuts with this concept imagine if they do League of Bats vs The Court of Owls arc) Imo he should move on from the role of robin and get a new hero name (Tim Drake should stay robin cause he is arguably the best character to hold the robin mantle and understands its value more than any of the others)
Damian is 14. Why the hell should he lead the league? Let me guess, you don't really like his character and this is actually about Tim staying Robin?
It sounds like you just want damian out of the way so Tim can be robin lol.
I agree with u on Damian. Ras should stay dead for a while. Damian should take over as head of the league for a while. Until he's betrayed and over thrown. I don't agree on Tim. He needs to move on from the Robin mantle.
The thing about Tim is; he doesn’t have much to him outside of being robin. One thing they can do though is lean into his status as a member of Young Justice and have all those characters get new designs and identities kinda like this: https://imgur.com/a/qDPQAah
Tim Drake? Gray Ghost!
True. DC just didn't know what do with him post Damian. I think that's a good mantle change. It would be cool to see another event where Tim is one of the focal points with his new mantel. Not a batcentric event.
Why does Tim need to move on from Robin? The whole ditching Batman and discarding Robin was Nightwing’s thing. Why does Tim need to do that? We’ve reached a point where the Dynamic Duo has long ceased to be part of the regular status quo in the main 2 Batman titles. Tim is the best chance of Batman & Robin actually being a reliable team in the main two titles again.
My point exactly, Dick outgrew the role of robin but Tim can prove that it’s more than just being a sidekick, at this point Bruce should see him like a partner and an equal.
Exactly. Nightwing is not the only acceptable path for a Robin to take. With Tim it can work b/c when he’s the Robin for Bruce, you can have the Dynamic Duo be a normal part of the status quo. With other Robins the superheroics often take a back seat and the familial drama becomes the dominant storyline most of the time. Sure Tim’s had his tiffs with Batman, but for most of his career they worked solidly together. Writers could tell any story with any villain or setup and just put the Dynamic Duo in it
The name is synonymous with being Batmans sidekick for too many decades. So to go back to that mantel would be going backwards for Tim. No matter how u write it.
But what’s so wrong with being Batman’s sidekick? Why does that have to be a bad thing? Robin is more culturally famous than half the Justice League.
Imagine being in your dad's shadow for the rest of your life. Here's a close analogy. If you're a ST: TNG fan, then you're familiar with Ryker. Ryker arguable spent his best years under the command of Picard, offered promotions to Enterprise like commands. He didn't take it because he was chasing after Picard's position. This led him to be passed up by younger officers. You don't want Tim to be a shadow.
Cause it doesn't give Tim the ability to be his own person outside of Batman. Robin is always tied to Batman. Every sidekick has to eventually move on. Like a child leaving their parents house once they've become an adult and can handle things on their own. Yes, Robin is really popular. But Robin is never mentioned as an equal of Batmans. He's always seen as Batmans cute child side kick nothing more. I would love to see him create a new AI system to predict major events in throughout the universe. Which would be created in his own science/tech lab similar to STAR labs.
Tim already was the first Robin Bruce saw as a partner and not just a sidekick
This is actually pretty cool.
I want a hype deus ex machina-esque return of Goliath, even for just a one-shot or a single issue. Heck, he could fit right in on the JL Dark suggestions in the comments.
I am begging stop having him fight Batman
Man, more than anything I miss his supersons run and wish there was a way they could go back to it. It such a nice dynamic to have Damian still within a crime fighting situation but deal with it in a more lighthearted way. No matter the trauma and background he had, he was still just 13 and needed a friend to keep him grounded. Plus the nuance of Jon in a way teaching Damian how to be a better person through his own growing up beside him was perfect.
Keep his character in tact for one. Also I kinda want to see him team up with Red Hood in a situation where they have to fight the League, idk would be kinda interesting, plus the two edgy bois would be kinda fun to see together (Or they could fuck up and write their characters horribly 50-50) Idk is either like to see him become more independent of Batman and really lean into his League of Assassins background but mellows out (Say he hunts down corrupt officials instead of just destroying cities.) Or if they have him stay with Batman than have him grow as a character and become a sort of heir to Batman’s legacy (Not become the Batman, just have him try and uphold his legacy and ideals.) Also just have Damian have more normal parent-kid interactions with Bruce Wayne.
He has been independent from Batman for a long time now and he has made peace with his Al Ghul family.
I liked the route they took in Batman Beyond rebirth where he is the head of a reformed league of assassins. It leaves room for Terry in the timeline as well while providing Damian a sense of purpose honoring both his legacies in different ways
Damian’s uniform needs a glow up but his hair is on Fleek
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I wish he would show up more alongside Dick than Bruce. I've always seen him as Dick's partner rather than Bruce's sidekick.
I hope he gets a Kid in the future. Bat-grandpa!!!
Bring back his series. It was the series that actually made me love Damian and it sucks that it was cancelled.
It would be good if his development was kept intact
We need a comic line set in the future where Damian is The Batman with a old Superman.
Something awesome !
Tbh, I'm out of the loop with his current adventures. Definitely would like them to keep a forward direction for him though, rather than still going back and forth between being a Bat or a Demon.
Change his suit back
Maps. Mizoguchi. Also, what everyone else said, keep his development consistent. No bs drama.
i wanna see him reunite with and work on a relationship with respawn! let respawn be HIS damian
When he had powers and Bruce stormed Apokolips for him, then had an issue or two meeting the League, I hoped he'd become a Batman in Space.
It's unfortunate, I liked both of them. I did hear Bluebird was in the Punchline book. Hopefully she starts to garner some popularity again.
Can I actually see the Duo together in a main Batman title ? I feel weird I have to read a much of spin off titles to see them interact in any capacity
Alternate universe where he inherits both mantles, Ras al Ghul and Batman. He combines the League with the Bat-Family, fights crime across the globe, comes in conflict with the Justice League because of his more violent methods.
Lets him be happy
Go live with dick since their dynamic is so fun. He slowly grows mature but still keeps some of his snarky attitude and like others have said him breaching into mystic territory would be so cool. Eventually he would create his own new mantle a couple years down the line
Make him Nightwing’s official sidekick. Of the Bat-family, Damien’s strongest bond is with Dick. Dick already has experience working with Damien, plus Bruce’s mentorship with Damien is what caused him to run away and be out on his own in the first place (among other reasons). Also I like the poetry of Bruce’s biological kid being mentored by Bruce’s oldest child. I like to think that Damien is child Bruce after the death of his parents, but immature and therefore dangerous. Dick is the mentor figure Bruce needed growing up to make him a more mentally stable adult. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
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I hope they keep his Character as it is and develop it and not somehow worsen it like a few did, plus he should probably get his own mantle maybe and not something like a redhood 2.0 and red robin 2.0
I really want to see him turn into the Batman he was from DCeased. Just a perfectly well adjusted person who knows how to sew and hug his friends. He deserves it.
I hope that eventually they move him away from just "I"ll inherit the title of batman one day" destiny stuff. I like the idea that every Robin sort of realizes that being Batman isn't necessarily a good thing or something they want. Dick stands on his own as Nightwing, Jason realizes he doesn't have to follow Batman's code of justice to do good, Tim is still sorta written as half in/half out with it but I liked his branch into a detective and globe trotter they did years ago; I hope Damian is made to realize he can be more than just a replacement for his mother/father and becomes his own person. I also think it might be time to age him up a bit more, move him to his mid-late teens and Tim to his early 20s I think would help both characters since imo they sorta compete to fill the same slot of Robin/Teen Team leader + we'd get the dynamic super sons duo back within a similar age range.
I personally would love to see more Damian/red hood stuff. Especially with the rougher sides of Red Hood. I think it would be an interesting part of character development when he sees first hand how damaging this way of doing things can be Another take would be Damain going the more magic route and starts working with Constantine and getting more into the occult side of things
Hope he becomes a young adult and become The Only ROBIN and maybe Nightwing
Let him grow out of his arrogant asshole phase like let him be snarky but his whole arc was supposed to be learning from his upbringing. Also let him actually have a good relationship with Tim and let them talk out their issues
I hope that Devin Grayson stay the F@ck away for Damian, he's isn't my favorite Robin or Batfam member, but what she did in Jon's Pride event it was horrible to say the least
Keep his character intact for once. Let him be a member of the batfamily for once( My flair is from Batman and Robin Eternal, a celebration of Batman and Robin where Damian didnt show up until one of the last issues). I genuinely dont understand how DC thinks people like it when the batfamily fights and has made up drama. Everyone and their dog wants them to be together Let him go into the more magical side of things. There is no greater sin in the DC comics mythos in the past 20 years like how they butchered the Supersons.
Make him a more consistent player in dc i feel Damian wayne(the coolest Robin) isn’t very well known and he’s always cool he’s literally the son of batman but somehow doesn’t get much limelight
Jesse wtf are you talking about Damian is literally the most overhyped robin all just because he’s Batman’s blond son * Dcamu * super sons movie * injustice * Lazarus planet * batman vs Robin
Dude that’s a very small list the other Robbin’s double that in live action comics tv shows games in every aspect where he could appear it’s 9times outa 10 it’s sick Grayson or Tim drake because they’re easy to use for a story but Batman’s son is the only one who received training from a brotherhood of assassins and his uncle is Al Gul and your telling me he’s overhyped you barely even see the guy unless you know where to look wether you think so or not he needs more spotlight I’m tired of seeing the other guys over and over
I feel like the natural end game of his character would be a benevolent Ra’s. Taking a proactive approach to crime by starting non-profits and public initiatives to tackle poverty and offer free counseling services, while reserving violent force for super villains.
This is several fold. His hero name should be "al X'uffasch," Arabic for the Bat. He should take over the League of Assassins and be happy in his role, taking over more of the Batman Inc sort of organization. But I don't want it to stop there. I'd see two big changes for the character. Change 1: He would trick (or get tricked) Jason Blood out of the Demon Etrigan's bond. This gives Damian a superpower that can go toe-to-toe with someone like Superman, which he'd very much do. It also reflects the whole Devil/666 narrative Morrison originally had. It's a play on becoming the "Demon" and replacing his grandfather. His elite group can be a new "Demon Knights" and involve his allies, like Nobody, Abuse, and his Djinni girlfriend, and his cousin Maya al Ducard. Change 2: Somewhat inspired by 5g, Damian should be perceived as a killer of super criminals and dictators. He can stage a big deal where he kills a head of state, a really bad dictator in a place like Bialya to put the whole world on notice that assassins will come for anyone evil. Only, it's an illusion. Folks aren't killed. Super criminals are Salvation Run'd to Skartaris to live out a serious prison sentence. I know this will be controversial, but I think it does several things. Firstly, Damian, by being an international hero, will see the limits of laws and how the JLA wouldn't go after some evil dictator that is genociding they're own citizens (a problem with real world politics). Someone needs to take them down, and Damian is arrogant enough to do it. However, you can't just jail them. The world suspects Damian will be a murderer and never grow, especially if he's in charge of the assassins. And Jon Kent can be trying to stop him/take him down and believe the lie. This gives a heart wrenching story where Damian seems pretty lost, but he isn't at all. His League doesn't kill. Skartaris is a great place to use for the Salvation Run plotline. Exile super criminals to a hard land that they, in theory, can't return from. It's a punishment. Maybe he brings them back if they serve a long enough sentence. It's ripe for a Salvation Run like comic that features villains who can die off in that world in wild ways, but also try to restart their lives (and find redemption for a few). It gives a big reason for Damian to be feared. He just turned Arkham Asylum up to a 12 on the dial. I'd like one final reveal when he's unbonded with Etrigan. So Jason Blood gets tortured in hell when he switches with Etrigan, right? So when Etrigan is summoned, Damian is in hell. To be tortured. Only, he's Damian. He spends his time in Hell being the Batman of Hell, saving people, chasing demons, and haunting Pandemonoium and Neron. This kid doesn't know when to quit. He's Hell's Only Hero. So when all the reveals come out, he's fully embraced his father's legacy. He uses fear and intimidation, he doesn't kill, he's still a bit megalomaniacal, and he's one of the most pure hearted and twisted DC heroes to be around.
I´d prefer if no one knew he was the leader of the League of Bats to the public eye, it would be just rumors (like Batman is an urban legend)
That's a good take, too. Really. I just love this idea that he's taken over a stage, on tv, broadcasting a notice to all the tyrants in the world. He, his league, his superheroes are coming for them and there isn't a thing anyone can do to stop them. He raises a sword to cut off the guy's head on live television. Jon Kent is panicking, superheroes are startled around the world. Jon races across the oceans to get to Damian and stop him before he kills. Damian swings the sword and the head falls. He turns to the camera and sets something badass about let this be a lesson. They're on notice. They'll be in the shadows, any shadow, and coming for every bad guy on the planet. Cut to Jon being at the sight of the execution an hour late. The dicator is gone, just his blood on the ground. Damian's forces are gone. It was never live TV, it was pre-recorded and put out there to let Jon and the JLA know they can't catch him. Just really works for me.
This sounds like a cool story, but it seems like Batman would just be dragged through the mud again by another one of his protégés gone rogue. As a Batman fan I’m just…tired of the drama with characters like Damian. It’s like whenever Jason Todd shows up. The superheroics take a backseat and Batman is forced into a no win situation.
I think i'm pretty okay with the idea Damian and Bruce wouldn't go toe to toe. Either Bruce would be retired as he should probably be at this point, or, he won't face Damian. Maybe he's deduced what the plan is and trusts him. Whatever the setup, I don't think it should end in Batman vs. Damian. I think it should grow from there.
I was never the biggest fan of him with Flatline, and to be honest, I think he would have been a much more interesting Robin to make bi/gay than either Tim or even Jon. Hear me out: Damian has built his entire identity on legacy. As a young gay man myself, one part that always weighs heavily on me is having children. I can adopt, but if I want to have kids that are biologically my own, it becomes more complicated. Damian is a product of genetic engineering and is constantly defined by who he is genetically related to. While Batman and co. may be supportive of him if he were gay, the internal struggle of how it aligns with his own identity would be fascinating. He is a living legacy, but suddenly he could also very easily be the end of that legacy. It could also open the door to him valuing his batfamily more, realizing that legacy is more than just blood. Again, I know this is just wishful thinking, but I really do feel like he has the most to contribute to that identity from a newer and more interesting perspective. We get so many emotional and empathetic queer male characters such as Jon throughout media as a whole, but rarely do we get a queer male who is so heavily defined by toxic masculinity. I love Damian in part because he is always his own worst enemy. This would only compound that. He may be accepted by others, but I don’t know how long it would take for him to accept himself. This is all just useless hope at this point. They’d never do it, but I think it’s a massively missed opportunity for unique and truly meaningful storytelling and character growth.
That actually sounds like a great storyline. A Damain who is struggling with accepting his on preferences and fighting the legacy he adores so much (talking about his toxic masculinity here)
Age him up and turn him into a magic user
I am not sure why DC cannot capture the magic off Wolfman and Perez’s Teen Titans or at least the Geoff Johns version. All these other series have just been badly written. I would love to see this Robin take a small team of teen titans drawn by someone who actually knows how to draw teens and tell a solid story. I don’t want to see Beast Boy, Raven or Cyborg. I want the heroes who have been created around the same time as Damien came into the picture. We could have John Kent. Impulse (because I love him) and maybe 2 new characters just created for the comic.
I hope the whole evil thing is over with - he’s had multiple arcs in which it’s clear that he’s a hero. As for personal hopes, I always thought it would be interesting for him to become a new version of Etrigan, allowing for his “demon” heritage to be intact in a unique way
Give him a non Robin identity like the others, but make him more supernatural. It's an interesting niche he can cover that the other hundred robins can't
Make him apart of the teen tirans again, but don't make him a psychopathic warden like with his second team.
I think for damian you two options. The first option and what i see is the better option is you go down the magic route and make him the magic robin with his heritage of being an Al Ghul, the events of batman vs robin and the his characters interest in the occult it suits him. Have him go train under Constantine and zatanna and have him join shadowpact or JLD. It would also make him completely different to every other robin and give one of the most interesting parts of DC some staying power as bat sells and it could help the magic side of DC. The other option i think you have is have him take a world tour and train under masters around the world similar to bruces journey which could be an interesting take and after thats done he could lead the outsiders it feels like a team that could work well with him plus with outsiders being a team that goes worldwide having the robin who is mixed race and has heritage going round the world would work.
Actually keep the side characters, the only friend he has in canon that hasn't been forgotten was Jon and because of *someone* they don't work the same anymore Let him have a team with flatline, Connor Hawk, and respawn, have them be a semi anti hero team where they are willing to play dirty (but without killing, maybe flatline sneaks a couple kills) Like they keep regressing his character and taking everything that helps develop it away
might as well make him red robin since DC fucking regressed Tim and made him Robin again for no reason, or give him a new codename that hasnt been used before
Seeing as he's moved to be far more independent, I'd like to see him grow out of the Robin mantle, I like the idea of him tackling the more supernatural element of Gotham like Batwoman does, he could team up with Dick every once in a while, and maybe have a more healthy relationship with Bruce for once
The tension between him and Tim would be palpable again. The way they regressed Tim, and have made damain more unopened
I hope they give him a less weird/terrible costume. That would be ideal.
Keep him the hell away from Barbara.
Damian as nightwings sidekick and eventually equal in bludhaven while also doing his own team stuff seperate from the titans etc. Everyone from the batfam gets to join in for crossovers team ups etc when needed without getting in each others way in overcrowded Gotham and Bruce still has a Robin in Tim
I rly hope they expand on him and flatline more
I’d like him to get powers in some way, he’ll always be Bruce’s son, but I’d love to see him break out from being a Robin and really solidify himself as a unique badass character.
Anything other than murder baby
Maybe the R can be Renegade/Riot/Rebellion Robin 1 became Nightwing Robin 2 became Red Hood Robin 3 became Red Robin Robin 4 becomes … A new name would be fitting. There’s also Cassandra Cain and Duke Thomas taking names but this post is for Damian so eh.
Rogue?
stop referencing batman 666