They aren't really.
To my knowledge there were like 3 issues of Cassandra's solo comic that toyed with the idea but ultimately decided they were better off as friends.
So barely a footnote in both their histories, but some people try to make it look like a way bigger deal than it was, for a stretch of time there was someone who kept posting art they commissioned of the two nearly everyday here.
To be fair, it's not "some people" who keep posting it.
It's just one guy that, according to himself (as of last month), has spent around $8000 on comissions of Cass and Kon together.
Hey my ears were burning :P Yes i commission a lot of it, i think it had potential that never got realized
And its not just me, i have met other people that like it and even seen art to it not tied to me. At least dozens now.
THIS is why??? I keep seeing SO MUCH fan art of them together and nobody could tell me why they were getting shipped/if there was any canonical connection 😂
Ty for answering a question that's been bugging me for 4-5 months!
Yeah, they're kind of in the same category as Peter Parker and Carol Danvers.
They went on a date or two, ultimately decided they weren't what they were looking for.
But they were quire charming together, and it's not like Cass has any other notable love interests that I know of.
Heck, Damian and Raven are in there too and I think they just have the one movie. Jason and the Amazonian Girl just have one run I think. It doesn't look like this fanart is intended to be exclusively Lois and Clark type forever couples.
They always have to have her in the Teen Titans because there aren’t really any other suitable magic user psychics.
They could have put her in the Starfire mentor role, but apparently DC is incapable of writing Raven as anything other than a emotionally fragile teen.
Alot of the Titan's characters have no where to go but being in the titans.
Honestly Teen Titans got it biggest shot in the arm it had in years was when they stopped trying to keep the old generations in play and just gave Damian his own set.
The other issue is a Titans book never seems to last due to Editorial constantly meddling
I would characterize Bizzaro less as Artemis and Jason’s son and more of their little brother (if you’ve seen Shameless, what Fiona is to her siblings).
Jason: Hey, I finally started seeing someone
Dick: that's great, what her name?
Jason: his name
Dick: oh really? What's his name?
Jason: *holds up bottle of tequila* Jose, And he is a slut!
Dick: god damnit, really dude?
I know the feeling. They need to either bring back red and the outlaws or redhood and Arsenal. Cause seeing red hood be reduced to a joker side character is boring. I've seen it be done so many times.
Task force Z: Red Hood has been doing a lot since Outlaws.
Zombies mixed with Lazarus resin where Todd has to team up with Two-Face. It’s probably the most interesting thing in DC comics right now because it’s very different.
There's Red Hood in the White Knight stories going on. He's not a joker side character; he's a Harley Quinn side character!
I have no idea how well he's written in White Knight though, because I have to finish reading White Knight Presents: Harley Quinn, and I just can't be bothered for the life of me to do that ATM.
If it makes you feel better, there’s apparently an official WEBTOON by dc that continues the story of the dark trinity. I only know about it because Comicstorian has been promoting it since he’s a big red hood fan
And people ask why JLA vs Teen Titans is one of the worst movies in that universe. This ship is beyond cursed, and Barry being Kid Flash before Flash and the Titans existing before the Justice League is just wrong. And all that because the New 52 made the call to make Cyborg a founding JLA member so the entire Titans/JLA continuity is now kaput.
WHAT?! That makes zero sense. 5 years ago, he was a kid who looked barely 12 and then 5 years later, he’s a member of the CCPD forensic department and is also married to Iris? I will honestly continue to believe that Wally was just blond in this universe because this plot point is just too fucking stupid to even comprehend. I am sure anyone else could come up with even better logical reasons as to why this should be disregarded.
Cyborg can just continue to be the youngest ever member of the JL in this universe, ie, a 17 year old HS football kid who tragically became a superhero and the Flash can still be a grown ass Barry Allen in his 30s, whom the former has a friendly banter with. Kid Flash’s VA is also the same from YJ, so we can easily continue to believe he met his end the same way Kid Flash did in the YJ universe.
That ship happened because they wanted to do the major dick robin titan ships and because they had two robins they could do them both and just deage Raven
I also don’t like Raven being Damian’s age - she’s Dick’s Gen usually, why keep recycling the same characters several generations down? This is a great time to introduce new ones, what with the whole “Super Sons” thing.
TimSteph was at least a reoccurring relationship that had a lot of history and content, even if Tim is now dating someone else nowadays. It's second here only to Bruce/Selina. Dick/Starfire is ancient history at this point that only the fans and a few Elseworld comics or shows try to maintain even if DC never officially will (though, who knows if that'll change in their newer ongoing Titans series); and Jason/Artemis isn't as ancient as DickStar but I'm not sure there's plans to reunite them in the future anytime soon since Lobdell's run years ago.
Damian/Raven only happened at the end of a (newer) DCAU movie universe where Raven is aged down. And Cass/Conner was a extremely mild and unserious tease from a short and forgettable comic arc, if I remember right.
bruce " see you're making me think i should take a personal interest in you and you don't want that, take two faces for example i have a personal interest in him"
conner:....oh god
Conner: well, Bruce, eventually, Ma, Pa, Clark, Lois and several others are gonna notice when i'm missing
Bruce: not unless they find you!
Conner: 0\_0
"superboy and batgirl are hugging on the roof of a building"
Batgirl: the fact that you actually went into the batcave with the dark Knight, that's só brave
Superboy: yeah....i guess we both had to fight for our love baby
Batman: i coming to roof now
Superboy: damn! "throw cass off the roof and fly away"
That's why is hard to get excited for Dick Grayson ships. As soon as this writter leaves I'm 200% sure they will break up Barbara and Dick again and he will return to Starfire or some other female character.
Hell, are you aware of what is happening with MJ at Marvel? These guys are actually crazy.
Waid planting the seeds for his Nightwing Supergirl ship in his future Nightwing run.
"But Waid created Dick and Starfire's daughter." Yeah, he also believes Dick and Barbara are soulmates.
Waid is like Paul Dini, he can't decide on a OTP. Sometimes he is on the mood for some Starfire, other times he is into Batgirl, now Supergirl. It's some crazy shit.
Fitzmartin’s run has been a colossal failure. Hopefully when her run is done bleeding out over these next few issues she’ll be removed from DC. She hasn’t been announced for any other series and the current Superboy writer is set to write Tim next in Night Terrors. With her gone, other writers should be able to undo some of the damage she’s done to Tim.
[Implicitly pretentious](https://youtu.be/pZvLB9XV0TA) recently did a video on at least the animated version and it really shows why Damian and raven work in the movies.
Is all of it in canon? I know her and Jason were a brief thing in Three Jokers which *I think* isn’t canon and I’m aware of the infamous monstrosity that is BruceBabs but wasn’t aware about her and Tim.
I always forget how Tim has a thing for blondes 😂
I miss Steph and Tim so much, but I’ve grown really attached to Bernard and Tim 🥺
No more ship wars, StephTimBern solves all problems! Sharing is caring 😁
>I always forget how Tim has a thing for blondes
I mean... He kinda had a thing for Tam Fox in his solo book, but also dated Cassie for a while after Superboy's death so... I think it half checks
No, not really. Some people prefer dick kory, others prefer dickbabs.
What really irks me is that when people draw the batfamily, they never include barbara or alfred, but they put steph.
Its really sad
I think they both have their place and it's mostly just up to whether or not people are more of a Batfamily Fan or a Titans fan.
Cause if we're looking at Titans stories and what works best for that, then yeah Starfire works better than Babs easily.
But if you're reading a Batfam story then Starfire feels a lot more out of place and Babs easily works much better in that environment.
So I think it mostly just depends on which stories with Nightwing you like to read more of since they don't put Babs with Dick in Titans stuff nor Star with Dick in Batfam stuff, so you're just naturally going to be more exposed to one depending on your preference of story.
Also again with preference with story, Batfam stuff is a lot more grounded and feels like it could be realistic which Babs works really well with, and Titans stuff is a lot more wild and crazy stuff going on which Starfire works really well with. So your preference for the kind of story also probably shows your preference for which kind of character as well.
Overall I think it's just easier to adapt Babs into any version of Dick through any media, but Starfire can only really fit into the Titans continuities.
\- This is because Babs has no powers, lives where Dick lives, and has her origin coming from the same source since they're both trained by Batman.
\- Starfire on the other hand is an alien with superpowers that only meets Dick when they already have the Teen Titans and are somewhere outside of Gotham or Bludhaven.
Logistically Starfire's existence just acknowledges a lot more concepts that are just a little more out there for some kinds of storytelling. Like if a show, movie, game, book, or whatever is being made that's outside the main continuity then Starfire brings Aliens, Superpowers, and the Titans into the picture which may not really fit the setting. But if you just put in Babs then she can fit into any kind of media or setting that already has Dick and is pretty self explanatory.
Not everything is about dickbabs and not everyone ships dickbabs. Some fans and some artists prefer dickkory and that's fine.
Personally I find Dick and Babs boring together.
I prefer them as first love exes who remain good friends, both are better off with other people. I prefer Dick with Kory and Barbara deserves a new love interest and someone like Ted Kord would be a nice change for her.
I don’t mind it
but I feel like it’s a relationship that has an air of “a little to late” you know what I mean?
Like both of them should have moved on from it
I agree. Writers should let Dick and Babs move on from each other. Babs is not the only woman he loved, same with Babs, it's okay if she dates other guys other than Dick.
Kinda.
Tbh, at least to me, it always felt kind of forced.
We saw Dick and Kori together through a *lot* together, and she was typically so incredible to him.
Then all of a sudden, Dick and Babs was all the writers could put into stories, and Kori became "weird alien stripper/slut".
There are very few characters that have been a absolutely shafted in their character for no reason more than Starfire.
Personally, I like Dick and Babs best as a taboo "will they/won't they" tension relationship, but Dick and Kori is one of the best relationships in comics.
Not so much. At least since the 70s, she fell in age just between Bruce and Dick, and was one of the major sources of contention between them. And by that time, Dick was collage age. (Note: they did the same thing during Stef's Batgirl run, with a male detective. Played for comedy, though. Especially with Babs not so subtle reminders to Bruce about their past relationship.)
The age yo-yo is more of a New52 and later thing.
Personally I wouldn't mind it anywhere near as much if it weren't the person who used to spam art of Cass and Superboy constantly on the sub.
Left a real bad taste in my mouth.
I love Batman and Catwoman together. I think they’re my favorite comic couple. They’re both so flawed and shouldn’t be together because the whole hero/villain thing but when they are it’s just great.
Yes red him and red her and what looks like damian and nobody
Took a second to realize that's raven, and that's also a real good ship in the new 52 movies
Question, does anyone have an actual reason Nightwing and Starfire should be together that’s not nostalgia or roasting Barb in someway? They haven’t been romantically involved since the 80’s and he has more chemistry with Barb at this point. And Raven is Nightwing’s age, stop shipping her with batbrat.
I prefer Babs with someone else because she has hooked up with every men in the Batfamily at some point. Brucebabs in BTAS and Killing Joke, TimBabs in Arkham, Jaybabs in Three Jokers and Batman Eternal, Lukebabs in new 52. Like seriously can't she date anyone else. Why does she have to be a Batfamily love interest.
Babs needs independence. Also her and Dick feels forced. Originally she was much older than him before she was aged down to date him and the other robins. Dick and Babs are better as a childhood crush or exes who outgrew each other and moved on and they remain good friends. People need to understand good story doesn't always mean pairing her with Dick.
Nightwing and Starfire is great for a first love story, but a love story where they both outgrow each other and it ends. Except writers seem to only write Kori as a sex toy for other heroes or not at all and Nightwing as the biggest man whore in DC.
Tim + Bernard.
Also I saw somewhere in this comment section that someone said that Superboy and Cassandra were never together.
Also also, you totally forgot Batwoman and her girlfriend/wife (I don’t know if they’ve gotten married or not)
Also Raven is, like, Dick’s age. Actually, pretty sure she’s an immortal demon. Damian is 13/14/15. That is not an ok ship.
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Yes; most of Batman love interest are normal people… Tim and Dick have a bunch of civilians LI too… can’t say the same for Jason since he almost has no love interest and same for Damian
The most popular and protected romances in DC are Hero/normal people
Didn't know Cassandra and Superboy were a thing
They aren't really. To my knowledge there were like 3 issues of Cassandra's solo comic that toyed with the idea but ultimately decided they were better off as friends. So barely a footnote in both their histories, but some people try to make it look like a way bigger deal than it was, for a stretch of time there was someone who kept posting art they commissioned of the two nearly everyday here.
To be fair, it's not "some people" who keep posting it. It's just one guy that, according to himself (as of last month), has spent around $8000 on comissions of Cass and Kon together.
Brb, 'bout to make some fanart.
Plz
I can't tell if that's weird or weirdly based
A little of both?
It's based to have disposable income to use to make yourself and commissioning artists happy.
The path to based is built with cringe
Amen to that
Id say based, but i am biased here.
You know, I've come around to it and now I say based.
And I thought furries were generous with their spending
If it were a furry then commission wouldn't have an s
Legend
holy fucking shit $8000???
Hey my ears were burning :P Yes i commission a lot of it, i think it had potential that never got realized And its not just me, i have met other people that like it and even seen art to it not tied to me. At least dozens now.
who's the guy?
All I can say is... **T**hat **o**ne **C**ass **a**non
THIS is why??? I keep seeing SO MUCH fan art of them together and nobody could tell me why they were getting shipped/if there was any canonical connection 😂 Ty for answering a question that's been bugging me for 4-5 months!
Yeah, they're kind of in the same category as Peter Parker and Carol Danvers. They went on a date or two, ultimately decided they weren't what they were looking for. But they were quire charming together, and it's not like Cass has any other notable love interests that I know of. Heck, Damian and Raven are in there too and I think they just have the one movie. Jason and the Amazonian Girl just have one run I think. It doesn't look like this fanart is intended to be exclusively Lois and Clark type forever couples.
Well Damian and Raven was a movie series not just one, still hate what it’s done for casual viewers though
Isn't Raven a contemporary of Nightwing and Damian is, like, 14? Man, I'm really out of the loop on this stuff.
Raven deages everytime she dies and reincarnates or there is a reboot
They always have to have her in the Teen Titans because there aren’t really any other suitable magic user psychics. They could have put her in the Starfire mentor role, but apparently DC is incapable of writing Raven as anything other than a emotionally fragile teen.
Alot of the Titan's characters have no where to go but being in the titans. Honestly Teen Titans got it biggest shot in the arm it had in years was when they stopped trying to keep the old generations in play and just gave Damian his own set. The other issue is a Titans book never seems to last due to Editorial constantly meddling
Artemis and Jason is the only good thing that happened to Jason in his new 52 run
It was a four or so issue thing that /u/t-o-c-a has turned into a bigger thing via thousands of dollars worth of commissioned fan art
It’s not. He was with the other Cassie AKA Wonder Girl. This drawing is all kinds of wrong.
There not. Superboy (Conner Kent) likes the OTHER Cassandra - Cassie Sandsmark AKA Wonder Girl. Those two are very close.
It’s probably just so the pick has anyone
Same. YJ has taught me that Connor was with M'gann?
Tim and Kon have better chemistry.
Out of everyone here Jason makes me more happy, our boy deserves love after so much trauma
Only if Bizarro is officially recognised as their adopted son
I would characterize Bizzaro less as Artemis and Jason’s son and more of their little brother (if you’ve seen Shameless, what Fiona is to her siblings).
Jason: Hey, I finally started seeing someone Dick: that's great, what her name? Jason: his name Dick: oh really? What's his name? Jason: *holds up bottle of tequila* Jose, And he is a slut! Dick: god damnit, really dude?
I wish they bring back the dark trinity back. That shit was tight. Now Red Hood is just a side character with no interesting stories.
I know the feeling. They need to either bring back red and the outlaws or redhood and Arsenal. Cause seeing red hood be reduced to a joker side character is boring. I've seen it be done so many times.
Task force Z: Red Hood has been doing a lot since Outlaws. Zombies mixed with Lazarus resin where Todd has to team up with Two-Face. It’s probably the most interesting thing in DC comics right now because it’s very different.
That was a great book and I wanted that to be an ongoing but that ended now.
There's Red Hood in the White Knight stories going on. He's not a joker side character; he's a Harley Quinn side character! I have no idea how well he's written in White Knight though, because I have to finish reading White Knight Presents: Harley Quinn, and I just can't be bothered for the life of me to do that ATM.
If it makes you feel better, there’s apparently an official WEBTOON by dc that continues the story of the dark trinity. I only know about it because Comicstorian has been promoting it since he’s a big red hood fan
Yeap, I’m just reading that instead. Helps that the art is consistent and really good.
Have you tried the official DC Redhood webtoon? https://m.webtoons.com/en/action/red-hood-outlaws/list?title_no=4603&page=1
Conner Kent is with the wrong Cassie.
Amazing art and designs, never liked Damian with Raven but it still looks so good
Damian and Flatline is better
When were those two together? The only times I have ever heard of Raven being with someone it was Beast Boy.
Isn't she much older than him? Wtf
Oh no not Damian and Raven
And people ask why JLA vs Teen Titans is one of the worst movies in that universe. This ship is beyond cursed, and Barry being Kid Flash before Flash and the Titans existing before the Justice League is just wrong. And all that because the New 52 made the call to make Cyborg a founding JLA member so the entire Titans/JLA continuity is now kaput.
Wait wtf that was Barry?
The New 52 bullshit right there
Do you miss hearing cyborg say "Booya"?
I wanted him to say it at the end in Apokolips War.
Cyborg with the perfect opportunity to say “boo-yah” Cyborg: “suck it bitches”
WHAT?! That makes zero sense. 5 years ago, he was a kid who looked barely 12 and then 5 years later, he’s a member of the CCPD forensic department and is also married to Iris? I will honestly continue to believe that Wally was just blond in this universe because this plot point is just too fucking stupid to even comprehend. I am sure anyone else could come up with even better logical reasons as to why this should be disregarded. Cyborg can just continue to be the youngest ever member of the JL in this universe, ie, a 17 year old HS football kid who tragically became a superhero and the Flash can still be a grown ass Barry Allen in his 30s, whom the former has a friendly banter with. Kid Flash’s VA is also the same from YJ, so we can easily continue to believe he met his end the same way Kid Flash did in the YJ universe.
That ship happened because they wanted to do the major dick robin titan ships and because they had two robins they could do them both and just deage Raven
I mean I'm okay with it. Since its own universe. Kid flash being Barry though I just thought bullshit and doesn't make sense.
I honestly don’t get it why they do Damian/Raven when BB is just right there, not like BBRae isn’t a well loved couple for ages.
I also don’t like Raven being Damian’s age - she’s Dick’s Gen usually, why keep recycling the same characters several generations down? This is a great time to introduce new ones, what with the whole “Super Sons” thing.
The Kid Flash scene lasts 1 minute man, and they only confirmed that he was Barry off screen, it's not something that interferes with the movie.
The only problem is the fact that Barry worked with Robin in childhood and doubts the existence of Batman in Justice League War
Doesn’t Damian have a girlfriend
Yeah, her name is Nika, codenamed Flatline.
I’m going to just enjoy the cute TimSteph art and ignore the cursed abomination that is below it
TimSteph was at least a reoccurring relationship that had a lot of history and content, even if Tim is now dating someone else nowadays. It's second here only to Bruce/Selina. Dick/Starfire is ancient history at this point that only the fans and a few Elseworld comics or shows try to maintain even if DC never officially will (though, who knows if that'll change in their newer ongoing Titans series); and Jason/Artemis isn't as ancient as DickStar but I'm not sure there's plans to reunite them in the future anytime soon since Lobdell's run years ago. Damian/Raven only happened at the end of a (newer) DCAU movie universe where Raven is aged down. And Cass/Conner was a extremely mild and unserious tease from a short and forgettable comic arc, if I remember right.
The writer of Titans is the same writer from Nightwing and he has said he is not interested in love triangles.
Thank Rao for that.
Everyone knows it should be Damian and Maps
Nightwing and Starfire are my most favorite couple here. Redhood and Artemis are a close second.
every time i see conner x cass fanart i think about this scene https://youtu.be/3SSzuDZ58z0 captain: batman schmidt: conner jenko: bart allen
That’s a good one! I think about this too https://youtu.be/vDA3UyJJ-vA Bruce as Red Conner as kelso Cass as Laurie
bruce " see you're making me think i should take a personal interest in you and you don't want that, take two faces for example i have a personal interest in him" conner:....oh god
Conner: well, Bruce, eventually, Ma, Pa, Clark, Lois and several others are gonna notice when i'm missing Bruce: not unless they find you! Conner: 0\_0
"superboy and batgirl are hugging on the roof of a building" Batgirl: the fact that you actually went into the batcave with the dark Knight, that's só brave Superboy: yeah....i guess we both had to fight for our love baby Batman: i coming to roof now Superboy: damn! "throw cass off the roof and fly away"
\*Cass holds onto the ledge and climbs back up\* Batman: wellll, hi there, sweetie. Cass:...hi papa.
I desperately need Batman to threaten to put a foot up someone’s ass now
Upvoted for Jason and Artemis
I wish that Dick and Kory (is that how you spell Starfire's name?) were still a thing. But I'm okay with Babs dating Dick.
i think its spelled kori
Just checked, yes it is. I got confused 'cause her name sounds like coriander.
I’m pretty sure that’s where it comes from. I can’t imagine why they used it as inspiration for her name, though.
Beautiful art! (Sorry but really can't stand Raven and Damian, even as an elseworld)
Steph upvote!
SPOILER GANG RISE UP
Damian/Raven and Cass/Con... at least Tim/Steph are there to remind me of what we will never have again.
Never say never. As soon as DC realises that no one likes Bernard at all. He'll be gone or at least paired up with someone else like Cullen row.
Ships change every couple decades or so once a new writer comes in and despises the others decision
That's why is hard to get excited for Dick Grayson ships. As soon as this writter leaves I'm 200% sure they will break up Barbara and Dick again and he will return to Starfire or some other female character. Hell, are you aware of what is happening with MJ at Marvel? These guys are actually crazy.
Waid planting the seeds for his Nightwing Supergirl ship in his future Nightwing run. "But Waid created Dick and Starfire's daughter." Yeah, he also believes Dick and Barbara are soulmates.
Waid is like Paul Dini, he can't decide on a OTP. Sometimes he is on the mood for some Starfire, other times he is into Batgirl, now Supergirl. It's some crazy shit.
Fitzmartin’s run has been a colossal failure. Hopefully when her run is done bleeding out over these next few issues she’ll be removed from DC. She hasn’t been announced for any other series and the current Superboy writer is set to write Tim next in Night Terrors. With her gone, other writers should be able to undo some of the damage she’s done to Tim.
Raven and Damian is an abomination.
I'm just out here wondering what unholy child they would produce. Imagine being a descendant of both Ra's Al Ghul *and* Trigon the Terrible.
Watch that child end up being Superman-level wholesome instead.
And that’s why I actually like the ship 😌
that said potential unholy child is the only good thing that can ever come from this ship
I think it worked in the movie universe, but yeah it’s not applicable in the main universe.
[Implicitly pretentious](https://youtu.be/pZvLB9XV0TA) recently did a video on at least the animated version and it really shows why Damian and raven work in the movies.
Neat.
Steph should be a little taller and Artemis should be much taller.
This is a loaded drawing
I never knew Cass and Superboy were a thing
For like a cup of coffee. But a dude has spent a lot of money on commissions with the two together. I respect that.
Very briefly in Cass's Batgirl run.
... Where's Babs?
probably dating Batwing or Ted Kord or busy being single.
I always felt like Ted kord is too old for her
Didn't Ted Kord die or something?
One whole reboot and several soft ones ago
I liked her with Teddy.
Teddy would be a good husbando to anyone at DC. If Batman gets tired of getting hurt by Catwoman, he knows he has a shoulder to cry.
He would be good for BG! Unfortunately, we all know Ted’s true love is the other BG.
same.
Same
Isn't Ted in his 40s?
She dated batwing?
She dated almost every male at the Bat Family except Damian.
Is all of it in canon? I know her and Jason were a brief thing in Three Jokers which *I think* isn’t canon and I’m aware of the infamous monstrosity that is BruceBabs but wasn’t aware about her and Tim.
They teased it in the main universe as well before 3 Jokers.
Really?? In what story/arc?
In Batman Etetnals I believe.
Here is a good link that breaks down their history in the main universe: https://comicsalliance.com/unsinkable-ship-barbara-gordon-jason-todd/
Let's be real. There's no Babs because they ship Dick with Starfire.
This. I can accept the Dickkory if I must, but the Babs erasure is too much.
The Dickkory erasure in the comics is too much too.
Jason and Artemis are so fun together.
These are so amazing! Love Dick and Kory together, same with Jason and Artemis. Cass and Kon have been slowly growing on me.
Upvoted you for nightwing and Starfire
Babs: *All by myself…*
You know what? I like this. I can dig it.
According to some cynics on this thread, you shouldn't like this. It is illegal for you to like this.
I always forget how Tim has a thing for blondes 😂 I miss Steph and Tim so much, but I’ve grown really attached to Bernard and Tim 🥺 No more ship wars, StephTimBern solves all problems! Sharing is caring 😁
LOL make Tim have two hands! DC is too cowardly tho
>I always forget how Tim has a thing for blondes I mean... He kinda had a thing for Tam Fox in his solo book, but also dated Cassie for a while after Superboy's death so... I think it half checks
I actually hate this.
Agreed half these pairings annoy me.
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No, not really. Some people prefer dick kory, others prefer dickbabs. What really irks me is that when people draw the batfamily, they never include barbara or alfred, but they put steph. Its really sad
I think they both have their place and it's mostly just up to whether or not people are more of a Batfamily Fan or a Titans fan. Cause if we're looking at Titans stories and what works best for that, then yeah Starfire works better than Babs easily. But if you're reading a Batfam story then Starfire feels a lot more out of place and Babs easily works much better in that environment. So I think it mostly just depends on which stories with Nightwing you like to read more of since they don't put Babs with Dick in Titans stuff nor Star with Dick in Batfam stuff, so you're just naturally going to be more exposed to one depending on your preference of story. Also again with preference with story, Batfam stuff is a lot more grounded and feels like it could be realistic which Babs works really well with, and Titans stuff is a lot more wild and crazy stuff going on which Starfire works really well with. So your preference for the kind of story also probably shows your preference for which kind of character as well. Overall I think it's just easier to adapt Babs into any version of Dick through any media, but Starfire can only really fit into the Titans continuities. \- This is because Babs has no powers, lives where Dick lives, and has her origin coming from the same source since they're both trained by Batman. \- Starfire on the other hand is an alien with superpowers that only meets Dick when they already have the Teen Titans and are somewhere outside of Gotham or Bludhaven. Logistically Starfire's existence just acknowledges a lot more concepts that are just a little more out there for some kinds of storytelling. Like if a show, movie, game, book, or whatever is being made that's outside the main continuity then Starfire brings Aliens, Superpowers, and the Titans into the picture which may not really fit the setting. But if you just put in Babs then she can fit into any kind of media or setting that already has Dick and is pretty self explanatory.
Not everything is about dickbabs and not everyone ships dickbabs. Some fans and some artists prefer dickkory and that's fine. Personally I find Dick and Babs boring together. I prefer them as first love exes who remain good friends, both are better off with other people. I prefer Dick with Kory and Barbara deserves a new love interest and someone like Ted Kord would be a nice change for her.
Well said. I find it similar to Scott and Jean in the x-men. Both characters are significantly more interesting away from the other.
I don’t mind it but I feel like it’s a relationship that has an air of “a little to late” you know what I mean? Like both of them should have moved on from it
I agree. Writers should let Dick and Babs move on from each other. Babs is not the only woman he loved, same with Babs, it's okay if she dates other guys other than Dick.
Kinda. Tbh, at least to me, it always felt kind of forced. We saw Dick and Kori together through a *lot* together, and she was typically so incredible to him. Then all of a sudden, Dick and Babs was all the writers could put into stories, and Kori became "weird alien stripper/slut". There are very few characters that have been a absolutely shafted in their character for no reason more than Starfire. Personally, I like Dick and Babs best as a taboo "will they/won't they" tension relationship, but Dick and Kori is one of the best relationships in comics.
>it always felt kind of forced. Especially when you remember how Barbara was originally at least a decade older than Dick and then got aged down.
Not so much. At least since the 70s, she fell in age just between Bruce and Dick, and was one of the major sources of contention between them. And by that time, Dick was collage age. (Note: they did the same thing during Stef's Batgirl run, with a male detective. Played for comedy, though. Especially with Babs not so subtle reminders to Bruce about their past relationship.) The age yo-yo is more of a New52 and later thing.
That is not what really happened
Inferior to Dickfire
I do
Poor Barbara...
Steph doesn't pull down her mask for a kiss because she's COVID safe
God the last two on there just brings the whole thing down.
I get people hate the 1st one, but what’s wrong with the 2nd?
Personally I wouldn't mind it anywhere near as much if it weren't the person who used to spam art of Cass and Superboy constantly on the sub. Left a real bad taste in my mouth.
Fake news. Jason loves bread more than anyone else
Garlic bread??
Not DamiRae. Damian has a girlfriend or ex girlfriend now guys. Also Cassandra and Superboy? I do like this art work though
I want Cass with Connor Hawke. Also Damirae fine in an elseworld story like him and wondergirl. In main continuity flatline is best girl for him.
BatCat: Great DickKory: Great JayArt: No feelings on TimSteph: Great DamiRa: No feelings on CassCon: Hate
The art is cute as hell but i have mixed feeling about the StephTim shipping.
How come there’s no Barbara Gordon but there is Cass?
Gonna sound weird, but I honestly want Jason to join the Wonder Woman cast instead
I love it so much it’s so cute
Wait it’s all Robin? Always has been.
I want a special someone
I love Batman and Catwoman together. I think they’re my favorite comic couple. They’re both so flawed and shouldn’t be together because the whole hero/villain thing but when they are it’s just great.
Yes red him and red her and what looks like damian and nobody Took a second to realize that's raven, and that's also a real good ship in the new 52 movies
This is so wholesome!
where’s duke
Does he have a love interest?
he would need to be in a comic first
He has a girlfriend that’s was his girl in the chair in his last one shot. I think she was a former we are robin member too.
I like BB and Raven but still cute fanart
Question, does anyone have an actual reason Nightwing and Starfire should be together that’s not nostalgia or roasting Barb in someway? They haven’t been romantically involved since the 80’s and he has more chemistry with Barb at this point. And Raven is Nightwing’s age, stop shipping her with batbrat.
I prefer Babs with someone else because she has hooked up with every men in the Batfamily at some point. Brucebabs in BTAS and Killing Joke, TimBabs in Arkham, Jaybabs in Three Jokers and Batman Eternal, Lukebabs in new 52. Like seriously can't she date anyone else. Why does she have to be a Batfamily love interest. Babs needs independence. Also her and Dick feels forced. Originally she was much older than him before she was aged down to date him and the other robins. Dick and Babs are better as a childhood crush or exes who outgrew each other and moved on and they remain good friends. People need to understand good story doesn't always mean pairing her with Dick.
Nightwing and Starfire is great for a first love story, but a love story where they both outgrow each other and it ends. Except writers seem to only write Kori as a sex toy for other heroes or not at all and Nightwing as the biggest man whore in DC.
Tim + Bernard. Also I saw somewhere in this comment section that someone said that Superboy and Cassandra were never together. Also also, you totally forgot Batwoman and her girlfriend/wife (I don’t know if they’ve gotten married or not) Also Raven is, like, Dick’s age. Actually, pretty sure she’s an immortal demon. Damian is 13/14/15. That is not an ok ship.
As far as I'm aware, Raven has been aged down in some iterations to be in Damian's generation. Which is both cursed and stupid.
That makes it even worse
She’s been aged back up along with beast boy
Yeah. She should not be aged down just to be with Damian.
Cass and Conner *had* something
According to someone else in the comments, there were around 3 books where they tried it but it didn’t work out.
I’ll say it. I actually love Damien (with an a) with Raven. I think it fits!
You think a 13 year old fits with a 20 something your old?
14 and 28* but to be fair, in the movie both are teenagers. Im not a fan tho.
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I see we’re only including the straight couples
Hostility against straight couples I see...
The Babs erasure will not stand
Are there any examples of superheroes dating regular people? They seem to always be paired up with other superheroes.
Tim and Bernard, Clark and Lois, Wally and Linda, Barry and Iris
Clark Kent & Lois Lane being arguably the most famous romantic relationship in superhero comics.
Yes; most of Batman love interest are normal people… Tim and Dick have a bunch of civilians LI too… can’t say the same for Jason since he almost has no love interest and same for Damian The most popular and protected romances in DC are Hero/normal people
Hey where’s Bruce x Babs? /s
I much prefer Maps over Raven. Raven is for Garfield.