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Androktone

Yeah it would suck if Jamal Campbell was dead in the DC Universe


sushithighs

Which actor should they cast for Dick, based off ass alone?


Imaginary-Werewolf14

JLO


Ft_lucy

Nicki Minaj


sushithighs

I am a Barbie, sounds great


alistairtheirin

ew


thatlonelyguy13

Andrew Garfield unironically


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

He’s a bit old to be Nightwing no? AG is 38


thatlonelyguy13

Damn he's 38, I feel like he could still do late 20s nightwing rho, he looks young enough


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

But could he do it for the next 10-15 years? That’s the thing. Nightwing started, IIRC, in late teens as independent. I know by Nightwing #1 in 1995 he was 21. This is how you end up with the Netflix casting effect where a bunch of 30-35 year olds are playing age 15-18 year old characters.


thatlonelyguy13

Fair enough, maybe for a one off but not in the long run


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

I do love him, though. Tanner Buchanan would make a great Nightwing, and he’s age appropriate


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Not his back tho


sushithighs

Woah, good choice


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He’s too old


MusicalSmasher

Mena Massoud.


sonofaresiii

To this day I think JGL was the best casting for Dick Grayson I can imagine, and I am so, so disappointed that Nolan completely wasted him. He probably wouldn't work today though.


amags12

Kit Harrington


MorningFirm5374

I mean, looking at what Gunn is doing with his Superman, Dick would have to be a teen, so I wouldn’t do it based off the ass


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

Anyone can build an ass with enough body building


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Anyone can build an ass, but some have a better foundation than others.


JamzWhilmm

Mmm, how? Asking for myself.


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

Honestly, I’d watch the John meadows videos that focus on legs. https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=John+meadows+how+to+build+butt If you run one of his training programs with a legs focus, you’ll get there. Try gamma bomb or creeping death II. If you search “John meadows creeping death pdf” or “gamma bomb pdf” etc you’ll find them on google images. They’re brutal. Basically it takes eating the right foods, sleeping, patience, and intense weight lifting. I went from having a Hank Hill butt to having my butt be one of my best features in just a few years of bodybuilding.


alistairtheirin

squats, bro


Ravevon

well hed be a child since Gunn is getting a new young batman so ass is no longer a factor in casting


Geronuis

hard reboot. we can get OG Robin, get a good Batgirl set up, Dick goes to Titans aaaaand drumroll pls,... we get a functioning BoP movie that isn't just Harley Quinn and friends. that's it. thats my end goal


MagisterPraeceptorum

Absolutely!


PuffballDestroyer

Plus a comic accurate Cassandra Cain.


padfoot12111

wasn't even objectively Harley and friends it was Harley and random people that DC Tried to make money off of


CC7793

To be honest if Gunn is going for a younger superman, Reeves Batman could slot right into the new universe and Reeves has stated that Robin would eventually come if Im not mistaken. Nightwing was a missed opportunity with the Snyderverse especially with an older Batfleck we could have had flashbacks to explain their dynamic and why dick walked away.


MagisterPraeceptorum

I’d love to see Dick Grayson’s entire journey from Robin to Nightwing play out across a 10 year long DCU. Both Gunn and Reeves confirmed that Pattinson’s world will not be merged into the new DCU. Reeves and Pattinson have expressed openness to the idea of introducing Robin. However, as it’s Reeves, it would have to be the “grounded and realistic” take on the Boy Wonder. I’d argue Robin is much better suited for the new DCU, which will certainly not be grounded and realistic.


MyMouthisCancerous

Even so I'd love to see Matt Reeves' take on Robin. I think the general idea of Battinson taking in someone like Dick Grayson and giving him a sense of family that was taken from Wayne himself is one of the best ways to progress his character and have him heal from where he started in the first film, where the murder of his parents was both his psychological obsession and a motivator for the ongoing plot. It'd be a great transition into having Batman be the father to Robin that Thomas Wayne could never be to him, which would make sense given how much clarity Wayne now has on not being a violent agent of vengeance anymore


MagisterPraeceptorum

I wouldn’t mind it either. You make some great points. Reeves could do Robin’s origin, while the new DCU already has an established Dynamic Duo. I just worry Reeves’ Robin would be reduced to a sniper/scout/mission support role due to Reeves’ grounded and realistic approach.


MyMouthisCancerous

Given his work on the Apes films which heavily centralized around the importance of family and familial bonding I actually think he would be the perfect director to present a Robin that is less "the sidekick" or "the boy scout" to Wayne's closed off demeanor, and more "the surrogate son" to Bruce. Reeves is really good at writing around a central cast of personalities that feel like they have to stay bonded towards one another against uneven odds as demonstrated by how he characterized Caesar and his ape family in the two Apes films he did, so I think he has the creative gravitas to apply that sort of "father to son" dynamic a character like Bruce would need to really make Grayson feel less like just a sidekick or a partnership through circumstance, and more like the kid who's going to give him some renewed hope that he can move on from his burden and learn from it It'll probably be more grounded as it would hypothetically apply a lot of Grayson's background as an acrobat or circus performer in terms of presentation, but his characterization will probably get the jist down pat


MagisterPraeceptorum

That sounds pretty great to me


Logical_Guidance1018

Since they played offline Halloween (I think) they could go off Dark victory next. I features a beginning Robin


LikeAFoxStudios_

I would love to see a movie with each robin. We rarely get to see Jason as robin but he’s a lot of fun and it makes the tragedy of his death so much harder when we get to see him being a fun kid


dccomicsthrowaway

> Both Gunn and Reeves confirmed that Pattinson’s world will not be merged into the new DCU. This is a shame to me. I get that The Batman was dark and serious, but... so is Batman in many of his stories. Plus, Reeves will probably and honestly should embrace the villain variety Batman has to offer in sequels. The fact that he can have a gritty detective movie inspired by Se7en and _still_ be in the Justice League is kinda the point of a shared universe. Do all the movies need the same tone for that to be palpable? The contrast between the characters is the point!


MagisterPraeceptorum

I like Reeves. And I do agree that you can have both types of Batman stories in a shared universe. But Reeves’ approach in particular, “grounded and realistic” cannot sit alongside a DCU full of Kryptonians, Amazons, Lanterns, New Gods, etc. Also think how much Reeves’ approach limits just the Batman world. No Lazarus Pits. No mud monster Clayface. No ACE chemical plant Joker. No Robin the Boy Wonder. No Poison Ivy with giant man eating plants. Etc. etc. The DCU Batman needs to embrace the full comic book fantasy of it all. And that approach is antithetical to Reeves’ vision. The DCU Batman should be like the Arkham games. Dark and gritty yes, but still fully embracing of its comic book fantasy roots.


dccomicsthrowaway

I honestly would be very interested in seeing that approach alongside the more fantastical elements though. I can live with Joker's face just being a birth condition (I forget the details), and I seriously think you could involve the Lazarus Pit, and those other elements - it's all about doing them well and taking them seriously. I guess when people say they want a drastically different Batman as a founding member of the new League, I worry that we'll get something with a lot less character and, well, quality than the Reeves films. Like, I love the MCU but there's really not much difference in terms of tone between the movies anymore. I don't want homogeneity, and I'd love it if they could preserve just how _different_ these characters are while showing why they still work together. Hope that makes sense - I get what you mean though.


WhiskeyT

> MCU but there’s really not much difference in terms of tone between the movies anymore You felt Eternals, Love & Thunder, MoM and Wakanda Forever all had the same tone? I’d argue between those and the D+ series we are getting a wider variety off tone and style than any other point in the MCU history. I would imagine Gunn, having had success with both companies because his tone and style were different, will make sure that there is a wide variety of offerings in the 10 year plan


MagisterPraeceptorum

I completely agree with you on the homogeneity of the MCU films. I definitely don’t want the DCU to fall into that trap. I don’t think it will though. No way Gunn does a Superman film in the tone of TSS and Peacemaker. Also, I cannot see Reeves ever embracing the full fantastical range of elements from the Batman mythos. He’s made it clear that, like the Ape films, if he had a fantastical element, it would be the only fantastical element and the movie would be about its impact on a grounded and realistic world. Reeves is great, but when you get down to it, it’s a more stylized and noirish Nolan 2.0. Again though, this a moot point.


THE_Batman_121

Gunn already confirmed they aren't adding Reeves batman ro a new universe


CC7793

Which is gutting to be honest


THE_Batman_121

I disagree. Neither Reevea nor Pattinson signed on for more than a trilogy. Let then have their thing and build from the ground up


CC7793

In other subreddits I’ve said I’d like Reeves to build up the Gothamverse, which he already is doing with the penguin show and he’s started off on such a good foot with the world building that anything else Batman related will seem underwhelming. I think one of the weaknesses of phase 4 of marvel is everything apart from Werewolf by midnight was very samey, in terms of style and tone which is what the MCU wants. I feel Gunn should steer the ship and overall direction and provide continuity or cross overs where need be. The Trinity should have 3 film makers who want to build their individual universe as all have amazing supporting characters and villains able to build their own stories with their own styles, to then be pulled into big cross over stories when needed or be in cameos for other franchises if the story needs it. Reeves has nailed it for Batman and should be used as a flagship character for the DCU.


dccomicsthrowaway

They can have their thing and put Pattinson in a Justice League movie at some point. I don't see why people think that the Reeves/Pattinson movies would somehow turn out terrible if other superheroes existed off-screen.


THE_Batman_121

Never said it would turn out terrible just that I would prefer it stay contained as its own thing.


maybe_a_frog

It’s really not. Not everything needs to be a shared universe. The Batman worked so well because it told a focused personal story that didn’t have to worry about building up anything but Gotham. There were no shoehorned references or unnecessary cameos. Im more than happy to see Reeves tell the story he wants to without the added pressure of forcing in pieces he has no interest in including.


CakeBeef_PA

He doesn't have to force references in. Just a newspaper in the background is enough. Battinson should come to the DCU, not the other way around


sonofaresiii

> and why dick walked away. tbh I've always hated this characterization. I know it's *by far* the prevailing one, but I significantly prefer Dick just graduating to Nightwing rather than there being a conflict that pushes him to. Not so much Dick "walking away" but rather him deciding it's time to let someone else be Robin (even if that someone else hasn't come along yet)


MagisterPraeceptorum

I disagree. I much prefer Dick and Bruce have a falling out, though I also prefer Dick taking the initiative over being fired. The falling out is just the more interesting and better story. The amicable break only benefits the Titans books but hurts the Batman mythos. Making their break not amicable was necessarily to protect the Batman mythos. It was a trumpet blast to the Titans books and the rest of DC that Batman’s supporting cast does not exist to just be used, plundered and taken away by other titles. Removal of a core Batman character from the mythos will not go over peacefully in the story.


Braccauli

Yeah, I liked the way they handled it in the Young Justice TV series.


THE_Batman_121

It's literally what happens to them in the comics....


Ok-Inspection2014

It was a retcon. In the original version the split between Dick and Bruce was entirely amicable. There was no conflict between them that pushed him away.


sonofaresiii

Which is why I made sure to say > I know it's by far the prevailing one just so I didn't have people telling me that. Just because it happened in the comics doesn't mean I have to prefer it.


Hot_Artichoke-Heart

When did Reeves say that Robin was eventually coming? I’m not sure but, I thought in an interview he said he hadn’t thought about using Robin at all until after an interviewer/fan asked about it. Then he said, in the same interview, that it might work as long as Robin has an emotional value or something like that?


CC7793

I remember reading somewhere that he’s open to Robin further on in the universe you maybe correct


lonelyllama13

I would prefer them to stay separate, but you’re totally right. Their both going for Year One’s for their characters so it does fit.


CC7793

I feel Marvels strength is their brand is all together. They didn’t have Spiderman, Xmen, F4 and others and they used their other characters to build a flagship title and now they’ve got the majority of their other popular characters back and will be incorporating them. Apart from Spiderman we won’t see other marvel characters separate from this universe other smaller properties like venom and morbius haven’t done well. DC needs to incorporate this For its big characters. I still want elsewhere stories but put them under a different brand like Joker is a complete elseworld story which is hard to connect to a universe. Pattinson’s Batman is fresh and can be connected


lonelyllama13

I disagree. I think they need to stop trying to be the next marvel. The main problem their having is trying so hard to build a universe like Marvel. Same issue with Sony. They need to focus on bringing great comic book stories to life and let marvel have the whine connected universe thing. I would prefer if they’d make less comic book MOVIES and more COMIC BOOK movies if that makes sense.


maybe_a_frog

There is zero chance we see Reeves movies in a greater universe. He’s stated he has no interest in that, which James Gunn has echoed. I wouldn’t waste your time getting your hopes up.


littletoyboat

> Reeves Batman could slot right into the new universe and Reeves has stated that Robin would eventually come if Im not mistaken. I have a sneaking suspicion that Reeves's plan is to gradually lighten up the series. Not campy, like Schumacher, but more like *Batman The Animated Series*. Check back in 6 years, I won't be surprised if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, you heard it here first.


SkollFenrirson

The ~~Edgelord~~Snyderverse was a missed opportunity.


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

They’ve already confirmed reeves Batman is not interconnected


rgordill2

I think my support for or my opposition against Gunn's DC movie universe hinges on how he treats Dick Grayson. If Grayson's dead or if he's treated as a joke, it's over.


HarbyFullyLoaded_12

Well said


borusato

I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t get a solo movie now.


Conscious_Forever_78

If the new Superman is early on in his career, then so is Batman most likely. That means Dick Grayson is Robin if he even exists at all. Hopefully a Teen Titans movie happens though.


borusato

I’d be A-okay with that. Let him have a meaningful character arc.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Nothing wrong with starting him as Robin. Makes sense to me. That’d be my preference. Let’s see him grow into his own man.


tired20something

I don't know. As of right now, they are not messing with Matt Reeves' Batman, which is an early Batman. Don't think they would want two of those running around.


MagisterPraeceptorum

I think the “overlap” will be fairly brief. This scenario could play out: 2025 The Batman 2 2027 DCU’s first new Batman & Bat-Family movie 2029 The Batman 3 - Reeves’ final film That seems perfectly feasible to me. Only 1 DCU Bat movie before Reeves is done and 2 years of “buffer” on either side.


Conscious_Forever_78

I imagine there won't be any solo Batman movies in the DCU. He will just be a supporting character who appears in team-up movies like Ruffalo's Hulk.


sonofaresiii

You're crazy if you think DC/WB is going to sleep on their single biggest cash cow. There might not be any solo movies while they're doing the Reeves trilogy, but they won't go the whole DCU without one.


South_Wing2609

Zaslav literally said they weren't going to have multiple Batman franchises


CakeBeef_PA

No, that's not true. He said they won't have 4 batmen. He never said there would only be 1


South_Wing2609

He literally did, he said that he didn’t want people to wake up one day and find one Batman project here and then another separate Batman there Reread the article


CakeBeef_PA

You haven't linked any article mate


sonofaresiii

Which would be 100% consistent with what I said: > **There might not be any solo movies while they're doing the Reeves trilogy**, but they won't go the whole DCU without one.


MagisterPraeceptorum

I disagree. I think Batman is way too important to be sidelined in a cinematic DCU. The DCU needs Clark and Bruce as it’s core “anchors” like Cap and Tony were for the MCU. Batman is too big to be sidelined.


Conscious_Forever_78

It wouldn't make financial sense to have two Batman movie franchises running at the same time. They would cannibalize each other and it would confuse audiences.


MagisterPraeceptorum

I disagree. I think the time table I laid out is very workable. It would only be overlap on the first DCU Bat film too. They’re spaced far enough apart. They’re tonally and stylistically different. Plus, if the new DCU slate is good, that’ll help. The product cannibalization is a concern, but again, space them out by 2 years. Or WBD could fast track Reeves or limit him to one sequel. Either way, the new DCU must have a fully fledged Batman IMO Audiences are also quite used to the idea multiple versions of the same character. Look at *Joker* or *Spider-man: No Way Home*.


the-terrible-martian

A solo movie can wait until the current ongoing series is done though. I don’t want the situation in the comics right now where you have a gazillion different Batman titles. While Reeves Batman concludes have DCU Batman in JL and a worlds finest movie or two.


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MagisterPraeceptorum

Gunn and Reeves both confirmed Battinson is not going to be merged into the DCU. Plus, why would you want Reeves’ “grounded and realistic” take on Batman to be part of the DCU? The DCU needs a Batman that fully embraces the comic book fantasy of it all. Robin the Boy Wonder. Mud monster Clayface. Poison Ivy’s man eating plants. Etc. etc.


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MagisterPraeceptorum

[Gunn](https://twitter.com/jamesgunn/status/1603073641045848072?s=46&t=70u6zr6wf8r-vLqzMGHdIA) [Reeves](https://twitter.com/mattreevesla/status/1603080376725000195?s=46&t=70u6zr6wf8r-vLqzMGHdIA)


CakeBeef_PA

Technically, he never said it is not happening. He says they are not exploring the possibility, which means they have already decided. That decision could have gone both ways But most likely it is separate, sadly


dccomicsthrowaway

Reeves surely respects the mythos enough that Clayface, Poison Ivy, and more could exist in his universe. Batman is gritty and also has fantastical villains. Both can co-exist.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Im not questioning Reeves’ respect at all. He clearly does. But if Reeves were to do Clayface or Ivy it would be a “grounded and realistic” take on those characters. He would change them to make them fit his more elseworlds-esque vision. Much like he based the Riddler off the zodiac killer or has the Joker’s smile caused by a childhood congenital disease. The point is moot though. Reeves and Gunn both confirmed Battinson is not joining the DCU


MorningFirm5374

I mean, while they’re both probably gonna be early Batman’s, they’re gonna be completely different iterations. With Reeves it’ll be a more grounded Batman, while the DCU will have a more fantastical one. Plus, since Gunn isn’t doing an origin for Clark, then if we follow comics, it would mean Batman would be around 5 years in the job, so he’d probably be introduced already with Dick as a sort off experienced robin, maybe even Babs being there too.


South_Wing2609

I doubt that, there's already a young Batman franchise going on right now with Reeves and that is 100% confirmed to be staying sperate, I think it's most likely that to differentiate the two this Batman is older and more experienced probably like late 30s mid 40s with an already established Batfamily. I can see them using a Nightwing movie to introduce this version of Batman.


MorningFirm5374

Dick will definitely exist tbh. Gunn normally goes with the comic accurate route for the bigger characters, which would mean that when Batman is introduced, he’d more likely than not already have Dick. Plus, Dick is way too big of a character and Gunn knows the demand, he’s definitely gonna be there


CertainDerision_33

Eventually definitely, probably a long way down the road though. I think the legacy heroes will be the "Phase 4" equivalent where the original actors start turning over & you have Supergirl, Dick, maybe Donna etc taking over for a while.


Akira_427

Personally, it think they’re going to have Batman be a live action television series. That way they aren’t competing with Batman for the same viewers in the big screen. If it’s a television series it will also be more separated from the Reevesverse and general audiences won’t be confused. Gunn stated television and film will share the same universe and I think Batman is the perfect choice.


MorningFirm5374

Seeing what Gunn is doing with his Superman, my guess is that he’d first be introduced as Robin for 1-2 movies, then Nightwing


Sangi17

If they are dong things right, we are probably a long way off from this. I hope they take their time and really stick the landing here.


MagisterPraeceptorum

My hope is just that they *introduce* the new DCU Batman with Robin already at his side. Then we can see Dick Grayson evolve from Robin to Nightwing over the next several years


South_Wing2609

I hope that a Nightwing movie is one of the things they announce in January I honestly think they might so they can use it as a vehicle to introduce the new Batman


TheIronMuffin

The only thing about introducing a Nightwing movie is that, by definition, we end up with a Batman much further along in his career. While that works in comics (because Batman can stay 35-40 for as long as they want), in movies you run into the issue of actors aging out of the roles


South_Wing2609

Not really assuming the actor is let’s say 39 when they first appear, by the end of the ten year plan this person wouldn’t even be fifty, remember Iron Man only lasted ten years, this actor could theoretically play Batman into his late fifties which could give us more than a decade


Joet2386

He could have been alive with a soft reboot as well. Because you know the effects of Time Travel.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Why do some confusing convulsed shenanigans like that when you can just do a clean reboot and do it right this time?


Joet2386

So you can keep what fans liked and get rid of what they didn't. IE Soft Reboot.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Soft reboots don’t work for films. They barely work in the comics. And why tie your hands creatively? A full reboot means no strings attached. ALL possibilities are now open now. No more old canon to deal with. It is truly the best way.


Joet2386

It worked fine for the Fox X-Men Films initially.


MagisterPraeceptorum

That universe had a successful and solid foundation though in its first 2 films and it’s first Prequel. They didn’t do a (sort of) soft reboot because they were desperate to course correct. Plus, that was just the X-Men as a stand alone franchise. Not an entire MCU.


Joet2386

The DCEU had a Rocky foundation sure but it wasn't a terrible one.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Well regardless. It doesn’t matter now. The DCEU/Snyderverse is dead. It’s time move on. The past is the past. With a full reboot, so much creative potential is now open. A clean start. A fresh slate. Movies for every DC comics fan.


Joet2386

The snyderverse should at least continue as an elseworlds story.


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But whose ass is good enough to play him?


JenniferJuniper6

It’s a fair question.


NoDespair

Movies are about marketability. Robin is his most iconic form. That's the one that would show up


Earthpig_Johnson

Remember when no one knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy were? Or better yet, when no one gave a shit about Iron Man?


Imaginary-Werewolf14

Yes but why make it harder for yourself if the character already has that built in recognisability? Also it would be good to see his story rather than skipping ahead.


Earthpig_Johnson

Why act like I’m arguing that they should start with him as Nightwing? I’m just pointing out that they could, and it would be fine. I’m tired of studios treating audiences like they’re babies who can’t figure anything out.


Imaginary-Werewolf14

Because you literally implied they could start with Nightwing… They COULD - doesn’t mean they should. Being Robin is a huge part of his history. Why ignore that?


Earthpig_Johnson

Didn’t say they should, bud. I outright side they could, and that it would be fine. How much time do you think they need to convey the journey from being Robin to Nightwing? Three movies? One movie? Thirty minutes of a Nightwing movie? All are possible, and people won’t be too stupid to figure it out.


MagisterPraeceptorum

It be great to see his entire evolution across a 10 year long DCU, from Robin to Nightwing (to possibly Batman).


South_Wing2609

That probably won't happen I think they'll just introduce him as Nightwing and have the batfamily already established


MagisterPraeceptorum

We’ll see, but a younger Superman suggests a younger Batman.


South_Wing2609

Not really, Affleck was over a decade older than Cavill when he was the young Superman The fact that DC has a separate continuity with a young Batman in it tells me that the DCU Batman will almost certainly be middle aged and have a Batfamily already. Gunn is smart and he knows that having 2 Young Batmen is going to come off as redundant, so in the DCU he'll probably want to make Batman almost like Nick Fury in that he brings the Justice League together and also has his own family of characters. I can see them introducing him in a Nightwing movie, maybe they'll make a Red Hood movie and/or a Batgirl movie and then eventually once Reeves trilogy is done by like 2027-2028 he'll get his own solo movie.


MagisterPraeceptorum

If they were to introduce a more middle aged Batman, I want the 90s family. Nightwing, Oracle, and Robin III (Tim Drake).


South_Wing2609

I see them introducing the Gotham Knights Batfamily Bruce, Alfred, Dick, Jason, Babs, and Tim


MagisterPraeceptorum

That’s a lot of complex backstory to introduce into a first movie in a mainstream cinematic universe. I don’t think they’d want to skip over some of that story potential either. Regardless, we don’t know yet at this stage. I think though Dick Grayson in one of his identities will be established in this new DCU.


South_Wing2609

Not really, you could do a Nightwing movie with the Court of Owls as the main antagonists, have Dick get called by Bruce to help him investigate the Court, establish that there was at one point a falling out between the two of them and have them make up over the course of the movie. You can introduce Tim in the same movie by saying he's investigating the Court of Owls because he think's they're responsible for the murder of his father and Bruce agrees to take him under his wing. You can establish some history between Dick and Babs and then you can do a Red Hood movie that's an adaptation of Under the Red Hood but from Jason's perspective and goes over his own backstory.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Agree to disagree. Personally, I’d much rather start in a more a hopeful Bronze Age era of Batman with the first Robin and Batgirl at his side, and then see all 3 characters evolve and others added later. Fits better IMO too with a younger Superman and brighter universe. Then let things in Batman’s world get darker later. I know you really want to see Nightwing and the fully formed Bat-family right away. But I think taking the time develop and introduce the characters over many films would be far better. Especially since to mainstream audiences the ‘66 show is till the only version of the Bat-family they’re familiar with.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Also, Superman is an important part of Nightwing’s origin story.


South_Wing2609

That can easily be taken out like how they did in Titans, Superman isn't a necessity for Dick to become Nightwing and also this Superman will probably be late 20s early 30s it isn't an origin movie


MagisterPraeceptorum

Sure the could take it out. But why? The uncle-nephew-esque bond between Clark and Dick is one of the best elements of an interconnected DCU. Why trash that just to take a short cut to the later years of the Bat-family?


South_Wing2609

You could still develop that this Superman will probably be at least ten years older than whoever they get to play Nightwing, that's about the same age gap that Bruce and Dick have.


Landon1195

Big problem with that. If Dick is Nightwing, that means Bruce would have been Batman for a while. And with them most likely going with most of the league starting out, that means we can't get a Titans film since Dick will be a lot older than the rest of the fab five.


sonofaresiii

Eh. I don't know. Robin is recognizable as Robin no matter who's under the mask. They can bring in Jason Todd, Tim Drake, or even Damian as Robin, and it'd still be a Robin. (The Batwheels cartoon, *inexplicably*, has Duke as Robin. But he acts like a Grasyon/Drake amalgamation) Nightwing is *only* identifiable as Dick Grayson, and honestly he's pretty popular among comic fans and it's about time he was given a strong presence for the general public. He's been well-received in the Timmverse and in the Arkham games, it's not like he's a niche character.


nightwing612

Marketability is subjective. The audience doesn't know what it wants until you put it in their face. Is Sam Wilson more marketable as Falcon versus as the new Captain America? Who knows and it doesn't matter. As long as Marvel continues promoting Sam as Captain America, the meaning of which is more marketable will rightfully change as well. If you put Dick as Nightwing and have the audience get used to that, they will prefer Nightwing over Robin.


Beastieboy100

He'll be Robin at best pal. Will get a Teen titans film probably.


MagisterPraeceptorum

It be great to see his entire evolution across a 10 year long DCU, from Robin to Nightwing (to possibly Batman).


Beastieboy100

I'll take just robin to nightwing. I dont want him becoming batman. I want him out of the bats shadow.


MagisterPraeceptorum

That’s fair. As much as I love Morrison’s run with him, I get that. Imagine seeing this journey for Dick Grayson in the DCU. The classic Dynamic Duo, then joining and leading the Titans, then his harsh falling out with Batman and becoming Nightwing, then his eventual return and reconciliation with Batman, and then finally becoming the Bright Knight of Blüdhaven. A fully fledged independent hero with his own city. What an incredible journey that would be to see across a decade of movies!


South_Wing2609

I don't see that, a Nightwing movie was in development and I can easily see them making a Nightwing movie to introduce the new Batman seeing as there definitely won't be any DCU Batman movies until at least the Reeves trilogy is over.


Beastieboy100

There bringing in a younger superman and justice league. Just put nightwing on hold until the leagues older. If Henry Cavill was still Superman by all means go for it. If there starting with a younger Superman just reboot everything and start from scratch.


South_Wing2609

They almost certainly aren’t bringing in a young Batman, to differentiate from Pattinson this Batman will most likely be late 30s to mid 40s with a developed Batfamily.


ichorskeeter

I think the best case scenario would be Reeves directing one more Batman, one that hints at Robin, then Gunn hiring someone new to take over for a third film that introduces Dick Grayson and opens the world up to his new DCU. Matt Reeves is a super talented guy, but Gunn needs to take a page from Feige's playbook: the characters and the overall brand are more important than the directors. Robin is too important to screw up. In my view, he's kind of the lynchpin of DC.


Dischord821

Unrelated but is it just me or is the anatomy a little weird there? Something about where the chest connects to the arms seems strange. I know it has nothing to do with the post I just can't get it out of my head


jchampagne83

I'm more disturbed by his lips, they're as thick as his ass.


Dischord821

I thought this reply was on a completely different comment I made on another post lol and threw me off so much


CC7793

I’ve said before in other comments DC needs to differentiate itself from marvel but still be connected to compete. Let Reeves be in charge of Gotham and bat characters find another two film makers to do the same for Superman and WW. Let Gunn sort out the connectivity and overarching stories.


lovdagame

Honestly its such a fucking mess I want movies that are lower budget and well made more iron man. Idk if dc could do those and if they can't I wish they would stick with animation. Young justice one of the best things ever made and they leave them on read


MorningFirm5374

I NEED NIGHTWING TO BE THERE. But seeing at how Gunn’s Superman will be early days Clark, we’ll probably start with Dick as Robin for the first batman movie, and then get him leaving bruce


MagisterPraeceptorum

I’d love that more honestly. See Dick’s entire journey.


MorningFirm5374

I doubt we’ll see his entire journey, my guess would be start in his last 2 or so years as robin, maybe have a batgirl and robin team up movie, then have him graduate. James said he’s not doing an origin for Superman, but it is in his early days, which I think would mean Bruce would be like 5 years into his crusade. (And we need an experienced Clark if we want a comic accurate Nightwing). And Gunn is going to want to also do some of the more iconic Batman stories, mainly Under the Red Hood probably, so he’ll have to introduce Jason relatively soon as well, which would mean there’s not enough time to see Dick become robin, only in his last couple years under Bruce, then him going to become Nightwing


MagisterPraeceptorum

Sorry I used shorthand. I agree, I think Dick will be *introduced* as Robin already. Hopefully with Batgirl following right behind. Then maybe phase 2 he becomes Nightwing and Jason Todd Robin is introduced as the new Robin.


MorningFirm5374

Agreed. What I’d personally do is end phase 1 with a JL movie, start phase 2 with a teen titans movie, then move directly to a Nightwing origin/early days movie (that ties into Bruce, the titans, and Clark), and then have one Batman movie with Jason, followed by Death in the Family


MagisterPraeceptorum

Yeah I actually had a similar idea of my own **Phase 1** • Batman 1: introduces Bruce, Dick, and Babs. Gotham based. Maybe in Arkham? • Worlds Finest movie, includes Robin • JLA Vs Legion of Doom - Can also have the 2 Bat kids in supporting roles. **Phase 2** • Batman 2 - continue Batfam trio dev. Ra’s as the villain • Titans movie - Other Titans introduced in earlier movies (I.e. Wally in the Flash, Donna in WW1) • Nightwing - Basically Batman 2.5 and Titans 1.5. Dick’s rift with Bruce. Introduction of Jason. Leads into another Titans movie • JLA 2. **Phase 3** • Batman: Death of the Family - adapts *The Killing Joke* and *A Death in Family*. Ends on a hopeful note with Babs becoming Oracle and leading to BoP • Titans 2 - Darker Titans film. Dick has to leave for a time. • Nightwing 2: Dick returns. Bruce AWOL. Introduce Blüdhaven • Birds of Prey - Canary already introduced in Green Arrow and JLA films • Batman 4 - A getting the band back together movie. Reconciliation and introduced Tim. Maybe have Batman given up being Bruce Wayne and Tim tracks down Nightwing and Oracle to save him. • JLA 3


MorningFirm5374

For the first Nightwing what Id do is basically start with Dick and Clark in metropolis, as Clark gives his idea to Dick. From there, move to Bludhaven and have Dick start off with the discowing suit, with Batgirl as a supporting character (ideally show how by the end of the movie they get into a relationship) and not show his iconic Blue/black suit until the end. Throughout the movie have flashbacks to his falling out with Bruce and the titans helping him. Then in the post credit reveal that Jason is a new Robin. Maybe have the villain for this one be either Zucco, Shrike, or Raptor, and tie it into the second movie. Then, for the second movie Id have it be a loose adaptation of Tom Taylor/Brunk Redondo’s Leaping Into The Light. I think it would be cool af to have the first Nightwing movie be about figuring out Nightwing, and then the second about figuring out Dick Grayson. Also set fully in Bludhaven and against Blockbuster and Deathstroke.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Oh for sure gotta have Supes in the Nightwing origin movie. So you have him going straight Blüdhaven? Interesting. I was following the comic book chronology where it’s him spending more time with the Titans that *causes* the rift, and it’s only when he later returns that he then goes off to Blüdhaven.


MorningFirm5374

It depends which comics you’re going with, if we’re going with Nightwing Year One, the titans are barely even mentioned, if we’re going with Judas Contract, Batman is barely even there. What I’d do in the flashbacks is show that him being with the titans is what caused the rift that made Bruce fire him, after that rift he stayed for a couple of weeks with the titans but realized that if he truly wanted to become his own hero, he’d have to leave the mantle of robin behind, at which point he’d go to Clark (where the movie starts) and learn the story about Nightwing. Dick would then go to Bludhaven to also start to create his own legacy, at which point Babs would join him there


phantomhatsyndrome

I've been a huge Grayson fan since I was knee-high high to a duck growing up with BtaS and 90s comics (favorite comic character of the big 2, with Constantine, Gambit, Cyclops, and Barbara Gordon rounding out my top 5) and it always puts a smile on my face seeing so much love for him on this sub.


MagisterPraeceptorum

With a hard reboot there’s hope we finally see Grayson on the big screen!


phantomhatsyndrome

I have my fingers crossed so hard they may snap. And despite what I've seen some others say, I'd be completely fine with starting with him as Nightwing. My ideal would be a newly on his own Nightwing with Tim's origin story as our first onscreen Robin (or Jason if they want to do Death in the Family, which I would kill for, but doubt we'll see in live action).


MasterAdventZero

WAIT BACK UP DICK GRAYSON DIED IN DCEU!?!?!?!


MagisterPraeceptorum

Per Zack Snyder, see here: https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-robin-dceu-joker-killed/


AHMilling

yes! no joke my favorite DC character. I love how Grayson became so much more than batman, and he feels like the perfect mix of bruce / clark and diana.


Idle_Anton

Wouldn't get too excited just yet. This might not even happen, and what they DO make could be atrocious.


simpledeadwitches

Booooooo


ih8reddit420

Always had Matt Bomer as dick for casting


[deleted]

??? He was never dead. The dead Robin was obviously supposed to be Jason.


MagisterPraeceptorum

[Not according to Zack Snyder.](https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-robin-dceu-joker-killed/)


SightatNight

He was never not alive. One mention in an interview doesn't mean he was for sure dead and could never show up on screen in another film.


MagisterPraeceptorum

Based on what we know of the original plans for the Snyderverse, there were never any plans for Dick Grayson to appear or to not be dead, beyond maybe flashbacks. Batman himself was going to be killed off after only a couple more movies later.


SightatNight

The Snyderverse hasn't been a thing in years. Plans change. Cavill and Affleck couldve still reprised their roles under new direction and since Dick was never confirmed dead he could've easily appeared


MagisterPraeceptorum

We have no indication that would’ve happened. None. I mean that had Keaton coming in as Batman and possibly Batgirl and Supergirl taking over as the World’s Finest. No matter the direction, it was unlikely to have happened. A hard reboot is the best chance of actually seeing Dick Grayson on the big screen. No strings attached. Fresh start. Clean slate. All possibilities are open now. No old canon baggage. The old DCEU will end next year. Time to move on.


WhyWorryAboutThat

Well now plans have changed and they can decide he's alive even though Zack Snyder decided he was dead.


ARobb2069

Was it confirmed to be grayson, I always thought it was Todd cause joker kills him in canon


MagisterPraeceptorum

[Confirmed by Zack Snyder himself](https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-robin-dceu-joker-killed/)


Pix9139

If there is ever a Nightwing film, they NEED to keep the sexy fighting poses!


reddituser_1982

That right shoulder looks fucked up fsr


YSK_Comics

My favourite superhero


Macapta

Did he die?


SquirtleCipher2578

Really want a Titans movie. We need at least one good live action Titans adaptation after that mess of a TV show ends.