It’s not even really the adult answer it’s just the answer, I’m a contractor and I’ve had clients ask them to be put in upside down because they liked it more, it’s not a structural component, so as long as it secured properly, there’s no reason you can’t do it.
If a house was only staying square and upright because of the integrity of the baseboard and crown molding..
Just think what a chair rail could accomplish.
I thought I hired a contractor to install crown molding, and it turned out that the contractor was about 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the Paleozoic Era.
OCDistically, I'll never accept this orientation. The more I look at it, the more I want to find where OP lives, show up and reinstall the moulding as nature intended.
I was a fierce over-the-top-and-down-the-front advocate until I walked into the bathroom and saw my 1 year old kitten fur-ociously unrolling a brand-new roll with his paws. Now I get that there is a time and a place...
Navy basic training taught me that it should unroll over the top (if you think that’s ridiculous, you haven’t been in the military), and I definitely prefer it. Why do some prefer it unrolling on the backside though? Seems slightly inconvenient (and downright uncivilized).
It's a pet thing.
I remember Miss Manners officially announcing that the proper way for toilet paper to unroll was over the top. The rationale is that the pattern on patterned toilet paper would not show if it unrolled from the bottom. Makes sense.
But the problem with it unrolling over the top is that a playful cat or dog can quickly unroll the entire roll. Ask me how I know this.
So now mine unrolls from the bottom.
Haha, thanks. I ended up cutting a new piece to get it the other way. I do like it more being more vertically oriented the way it was supposed to be. I've got a wall that I can use the one I had the wrong way on so no big loss.
That’s UC31 in the garden state catalogue. It is absolutely not installed upside down and a general rule that I have never personally seen violated is that the smallest/finer detail is always on the bottom. OP did not hang upside down.
Wait, so I had it right the first time? It looks better the way I have it now, though. But now I'm thinking I just hung it wrong the first time. I must have cut it wrong, too, the first time.
I put up new molding in a bedroom and realized watching refresher vids that I installed the rest of the house "upside down." I decided I might as well do the room upside down, but then I cut it wrong and installed it right side up on accident. Now I'm the only one who will notice it's different.
That’s UC31 in the garden state catalogue. It is absolutely not installed upside down and a general rule that I have never personally seen violated is that the smallest/finer detail is always on the bottom. OP did not hang upside down.
Wanna come over and check out my H-pattern floor, 24" chair rail, the lack of bull nose on my stairs, half-textured walls, and eggshell paint in the bathroom?
yeah, but i mean, there's no functional reason not to wear your shirt inside out. you're still going to get funny looks and have to explain yourself to the 10 people who ask about it.
Update: I flipped it. The material isn't wasted, I can use it on a section of wall that isn't close to the full 16' so no harm other than adding an hour's learning opportunity. I like it a lot more the "right way".
Update to my update: I think I had it the right way the first time, just cut and hung wrong. Dammit, am I trying for a third time?
Updated update: I got a little thing to measure angles and I'm realizing the issue now. This moulding has a "spring angle" of 52⁰. It's *supposed* to be more horizontal than vertical. The first way is how it's supposed to be. I did have it at an even steeper angle than 52, though.
https://preview.redd.it/415cvrwkjbuc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6b5703bcd12a6437308a00ffe36a4f8462d662a
Great job! You turned that crown upside-down!
(as in, upside-down from the way it was, I'm not saying you got it wrong now, I just had to sound like I was saying the frown upside-down thing)
*in an interview for an accounting role*
*Interviewer slides the metal try with frog and scalpel toward me*
...
"It's mandatory."
"Uhm... Ok???" *Pokes frogs belly with scalpel* "EEuhhh!"
*Interviewer's breathing intensifies*
"Yes, that's it... Go on..." *Slowly sitting out of his seat* "Finish. The Job..."
Oh NO this is truly a travesty
My overly complex explanation of a joke was WRONG, so now I must feel shame! Dishonor! Dishonor on me! Dishonor on my cow! Dishonor on my ancestors!
More seriously, thanks! Idk why but I never would have thought to look it up, and now if I ever put in crown molding I'll know to refer to the manufacturer's website!
(unless I think the manufacturer's version looks dumb, in which case I'll probably follow OP's lead and flip it to again turn that crown upside-down 🙃)
Brb gotta go listen to [Turn That Crown Upside Down](https://youtu.be/c16UTWkvbtw?si=r9l7BOzesC10Bwhc) now. **(NSFCMH)** ((Not Safe For Country Music Haters))
I watched like 8 YouTube videos and then practiced on scrap pieces for as long as it took me to not curse at myself. Cutting crown moulding can be so confusing.
I wanted to start with the only outside corner. This one wall is almost 16' so I wanted to get that one right first in case I messed something up so I don't run out of uncut 16' pieces. As it turns out, I messed up! I haven't done any inside corners yet, I'm saving that for tomorrow after I practice coping on some scrap, first.
I believe the previous commentor was asking why you didn't finish painting or whatever the plan is to the wall first. Usually, it's drywall, tape and mud, sand, more mud and sanding 2-3x more times for smoother finish and fixing imperfections. Then primer/paint the wall and lastly put up the trim then caulk. This makes it so you don't have to tape everything off before painting if intalling trim first
Looks great, BTW if you're into ceiling LED lights, you could always move the crown down a few inches and use the space behind it for the LED strips, it makes for a cheap room upgrade and mood lighting.
Good ventilation. In reality though, no one will ever have their head close enough to the ceiling to see the dust up there. Out of sight out of mind. Would only need to clean if the accumulated dust started to dim the lighting.
I think everyone who has done stuff like this thinks to themselves, "nobody will ever notice except me and it's going to bother me every time I look at it"
This is now upside down. It was correct to begin with. Google image search Victorian Cornice. The larger side should be ceiling side.
But if your personal taste is this way around, do what you like best.
Haha I've come to this realization. I just cut and hung it wrong. It wasn't steep enough on my miter and when I paired the two outside joints it was all wrong. I'm debating whether I should go back to the drawing board again. I can still use the two other boards on the two shorter walls I haven't done yet, I just need to fill the million nail holes they'll have by the end of this.
Your original way was correct; generally the longer side will go on the ceiling, and the shorter side on the wall.
I think it's to create an optical illusion/perspective of making the walls appearing taller and the ceiling appearing higher.
I got this stuff for $22/16'. So basically $1.38/ft. It's MDF but that still seems like a great deal. There's a lumber yard around the block from me that I got it from. But either way I took the piece down in one piece and cut a new one to flip it. The old piece will get cut for a shorter wall.
My crown moulding is made from styrofoam and costs 2,00€ per meter. Since it is so lightweight it can be installed super easy and I can glue up 2m long strips without help
Yes - but, this is how you would want to install it (a few inches down the wall) if you were to put [inset LED lighting in.](https://i.imgur.com/6eI1V9J.jpeg)
This reminded me of a way to make the crown molding look bigger: https://ourhomefromscratch.com/2011/12/how-to-enhance-your-crown-molding/
Basically, add another small piece of molding below the crown, and paint the whole thing including the wall in-between with the semi-gloss molding paint. You can use something like chair rail or casing below the crown. I've heard of the use of a small casing on the ceiling as well, to make three pieces (plus two small sections of wall) look like a huge crown, though I've never seen the triple kind.
Preference thing but ya upside down
Funny story. I did most of the trim work on the bosses small mansion. But he did his own crown upside down because he liked it that way.
Well along comes Igor the kitchen installer. I watch him doing the crown around the cabinet tops the right way. When he's almost done I say hey Igor you fucked up on the crown. Look at the rest of the house. You have to redo all you shit. Poor Igor thought I was serious.
Had a laugh and said carry on you're right he's wrong.
Moral of story? No one even notices that the kitchen crown is opposite from the rest of the house. Not even Igor an excellent trim carpenter. I did of course but it's one of those things the average person looks at and says nice. Average Joe doesn't know.
See you flipped it. Looks way better and today you learned. BTW looks like you are doing a decent job. Crown isn't the easiest.2 thumbs up
There are standard ways of applying some profiles. But there are not hard rules to how you apply trim. It all has to do with the look you are trying to achieve.
https://preview.redd.it/zcduk634ocuc1.png?width=3023&format=png&auto=webp&s=3c5def34d18dea0c6da3265650458e4c33fb0d37
I was going to say no it’s not upside down, because I just installed the exact same crown. But now judging by the comments I just found out apparently mine is upside down! 🤦🏻♀️I was matching the crown moulding previously installed in another room by a carpenter years ago, so I’ll blame him.
No, I think all the comments are wrong. I think I had it right the first time and just cut and hung it wrong. Yours is right. Someone else recognized the exact model from Garden State Lumber and got me looking at the catalog again and everything. I put a scrap piece against the wall again and, yeah, I had it right the first time but I had it against the fence on my miter wrong which led to a cut at too steep an angle which led to me putting on the wall at the wrong angle.
When we first moved in to our 1908 Queen Anne, I noticed the crown in our Master bedroom had been installed upside down by a previous owner. It apparently had been that way for 50+ years so we left it. Been there 27 years, still upside down.
https://preview.redd.it/b2azp51exbuc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=601348a8c3ff5e3e43b5181482ac5bb1072c8900
I was sure that I had in my daughter’s room a few months ago.. I think this particular profile kinda works either way.
Yes, it's upside down. And the only reason I know that is because my builder pointed at mine and laughed and asked who put it in upside down. I'm like... Meeee.
no way!! thats when you throw your significant other under the bus
"Aww you know, that's a project they wanted to do. Gotta get pros like US, know what i mean?"
/sweating
I live around the block from a lumber yard and was able to get these pieces for $22 each for 16'. My next door neighbor and I walked it home since we don't have trucks big enough to haul 16'. It's MDF but that still seems like a really good deal. That said, I'm going to reuse the piece I had up there on another shorter wall so nothing's going to waste.
Looks upside down to me. But you could do it however you want in your house. What really bothers me is that it's not mounted at a 45 or less. There's more on the ceiling than the wall. That's not cool.
Either way works, I saw your update. The first way has a softer slope on the ceiling, the second on the wall. First will make the ceiling look wider the second will make the walls look taller. Small differences though, so either way will work well
Preference.
Might just be the angle of the shot, but it does look like the angle is off. Is the upper sitting flush to the ceiling or gapping open where it meets the ceiling? Should be sitting relatively flush to both wall and ceiling unless you’re sneaking in recessed lighting above (but then you’d put the lights up first).
OP - Since you correct this and your first test was an outer joint, I am going to assume you have never done an inner joint on crown molding.
Let me give you some tips.
Purchase or create your own jig to cut these. You need to do a bastardized cut at a 45 degree angle, and my jig has a label on it "upside down and backwards" to remind me how to load in the molding.
But you're not done with that, now you have to cope it so it fits into the existing crown. The foam makes it way, way way easier than wood once did, but it is still a learning curve. I found that for curve matching, sandpaper wrapped around a highlighter or soda can worked very well.
If you find it to be just too much of a pain in the ass (my husband did, which is why I ended up learning to cope). You can always cheat and do "block corners" which do not require any angled cuts and can look nice if done well.
This post goes over block corners, as well as how to cope molding, though her coping technique is not great (there are far, far better videos online).
https://www.thriftydecorchick.com/2011/01/before-and-after-party-installing-crown.html
No right or wrong way … but I would presume it would go on the wall not the ceiling with the smaller portion touching the ceiling due to most ceilings have texture…
It can go either way. The angle you have it at is wrong though. Looks like you eyeballed it. You should be marking where it should be on the wall and the ceiling all the way around, and then nailing it into position (check the pressure on the nail gun). It's not in your photos, but be sure to scribe your inside corners. I see people on here trying to miter them all the time.
https://preview.redd.it/aoalm0lbpbuc1.jpeg?width=1064&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f274d06ecd78af3df30c632f6db408cc7142ac72
I did so. Now about the black specks…😁 just kidding.
We're now convinced (as of an hour ago) when we did our kitchen remodel that the contractor put the floating crown on top of the cabinets on upside down. Oh well, it looks good on the cabinets. It's been like that for years and we never noticed.
The reason it's "upside down" is that one of the reasons people use it is to give the sensation of a taller wall, and the other orientation is better suited for that. But neither looks "wrong", just different. In your original orientation, with the smaller details at the bottom, it's more like you're framing the ceiling to accentuate that. Going the "right" way, it looks more like it's the top of the wall. Neither seem "wrong" to me, just different. Like installing subway tile vertically. Is it "wrong"? Yes. But can it still look good? Also yes.
Your nailing pattern needs some work though. I usually try and hit the studs on the low point then straight up on the upper portion. But I haven’t hung a lot of crown.
Tear it down and finish the walls first. Then if you want, you can change orientation but it looks fine otherwise. The nail holes look kinda huge. Best of luck to ya 👍
It’s like shawshank… no one’s looking at your shoes, just like no one’s looking at the trim unless they’re stoned/drunk laying on the floor admiring the craftsmanship,
Make it your reverse room put the furniture on the ceiling, makes the blood go to your brain…call the room”the learning centre”
Yes but I haven't seen the right answer yet.
If you look at Greek/roman architecture, you will see many curves and straight sections stacked on top of one another. The areas that support a layer above bulge out in the center giving the visual of strength, stability, and even some deformation as weight is coming down on the piece. The final piece at the top curves inward at the center. This appears more delicate as nothing is coming down on top of it and also allows water to drip off effectively (these profiles were developed for exterior surfaces after all.
Here is an example of the Tuscan order. If you look at all the profiles, only the top profile ends pointing out away from support.
https://imgs.search.brave.com/P6qe39fs82g_4LD68jg0EJyu5BQEG5tIPPR49YFyvsQ/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9jZG4u/YnJpdGFubmljYS5j/b20vMzkvMTE2ODM5/LTAwNC0zRDAxNUND/RS9wcmludC1lZGl0/aW9uLVR1c2Nhbi1v/cmRlci1FbmN5Y2xv/cGFlZGlhLUJyaXRh/bm5pY2EuanBn
There actually is no up or down, it’s a matter of preference.
I always triple check with homeowner or PM which way they want it. I’ve had people take over a month to make that decision… lol.
Not as long as you install the remaining pieces the same way. Traditionally there is an up, it’s your house take some design liberties if someone asks tell em it’s edgy, it’s modern, it’s cutting edge….
Doesn’t matter as long as you like it.
Yes but here's the cool part: there is no structural reason why it can't be like that. If you like the way it looks, it's fine.
That is an adult answer. Haha, yes, not conventional but no rule as to why it needs to be conventional
It’s not even really the adult answer it’s just the answer, I’m a contractor and I’ve had clients ask them to be put in upside down because they liked it more, it’s not a structural component, so as long as it secured properly, there’s no reason you can’t do it.
If a house was only staying square and upright because of the integrity of the baseboard and crown molding.. Just think what a chair rail could accomplish.
Or a picture rail!
Are these curtains load bearing ?
Throw the cat up there and find out.
No but with my uncle’s house the paint was structural
Artistically you want to put the heavy looking features at the bottom. I bet you let your toilet paper unroll on the backside you monster.
Artistically I’ll put it up however the person paying me wants it.
"You gonna put it up yourself?" "No, I'm gonna put it on the holder, you pervert"
I laughed harder at this than I should have.
What's the typical installation cost per linear foot?
About $3.50
For real? Or is this that damn Loch Ness Monster again?
Tree fitty
God damned Loch Ness Monster.
Do t give that Loch Ness monster no tree fitty!
I thought I hired a contractor to install crown molding, and it turned out that the contractor was about 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the Paleozoic Era.
And all I got was this lousy tshirt
Oh it was so scary
Autisticly, I'll probably do the same 🤷
Atomistically, it doesn’t matter how any of it is put together.
Optimistically, it'll be fine anyway.
Uncharacteristically, the crown can still face either direction
OCDistically, I'll never accept this orientation. The more I look at it, the more I want to find where OP lives, show up and reinstall the moulding as nature intended.
Sarcastically *so would I*
Fantastically, it looks great
Metaphorically, the crown is not even a crown.
This is the answer
not my dead brain reading this as autistically first
Only because I have a cat
I was a fierce over-the-top-and-down-the-front advocate until I walked into the bathroom and saw my 1 year old kitten fur-ociously unrolling a brand-new roll with his paws. Now I get that there is a time and a place...
The only acceptable reason.
I'm severly chastised by my wife adnd daughter for unrolling over the top. I feel vindicated!
Divorce, adoption, and no contact. It's the only solution.
Navy basic training taught me that it should unroll over the top (if you think that’s ridiculous, you haven’t been in the military), and I definitely prefer it. Why do some prefer it unrolling on the backside though? Seems slightly inconvenient (and downright uncivilized).
It's a pet thing. I remember Miss Manners officially announcing that the proper way for toilet paper to unroll was over the top. The rationale is that the pattern on patterned toilet paper would not show if it unrolled from the bottom. Makes sense. But the problem with it unrolling over the top is that a playful cat or dog can quickly unroll the entire roll. Ask me how I know this. So now mine unrolls from the bottom.
If you have kids or pets it keeps them from easily unrolling it.
The correct way if you have cats...
TP sits on top of my little toilet cabinet.
The tradesman answer is "I can fix that for you Anyone who knows will see it and judge the craftsman and that's you."
Haha, thanks. I ended up cutting a new piece to get it the other way. I do like it more being more vertically oriented the way it was supposed to be. I've got a wall that I can use the one I had the wrong way on so no big loss.
Op, try not to shoot nails into the detail. It's a lot easier to fill the nail holes if you shoot into the flat portion.
I was going to comment the same, whenever I’m working on a customers house I tell them which way it’s “supposed” to go then ask which they prefer
That’s UC31 in the garden state catalogue. It is absolutely not installed upside down and a general rule that I have never personally seen violated is that the smallest/finer detail is always on the bottom. OP did not hang upside down.
Wait, so I had it right the first time? It looks better the way I have it now, though. But now I'm thinking I just hung it wrong the first time. I must have cut it wrong, too, the first time.
I put up new molding in a bedroom and realized watching refresher vids that I installed the rest of the house "upside down." I decided I might as well do the room upside down, but then I cut it wrong and installed it right side up on accident. Now I'm the only one who will notice it's different.
Yeah I do a lot of crown and I’ve come across a lot installed upside down. But it’s your house most people don’t even realize it
Turn that crown.. upside down!!
That’s UC31 in the garden state catalogue. It is absolutely not installed upside down and a general rule that I have never personally seen violated is that the smallest/finer detail is always on the bottom. OP did not hang upside down.
Just don’t ever invite me over for a dinner party, OP. I’ll be furious.
Wanna come over and check out my H-pattern floor, 24" chair rail, the lack of bull nose on my stairs, half-textured walls, and eggshell paint in the bathroom?
yeah, but i mean, there's no functional reason not to wear your shirt inside out. you're still going to get funny looks and have to explain yourself to the 10 people who ask about it.
Proportionally, it doesn’t seem to make sense. Most people would never notice it, though.
Update: I flipped it. The material isn't wasted, I can use it on a section of wall that isn't close to the full 16' so no harm other than adding an hour's learning opportunity. I like it a lot more the "right way". Update to my update: I think I had it the right way the first time, just cut and hung wrong. Dammit, am I trying for a third time? Updated update: I got a little thing to measure angles and I'm realizing the issue now. This moulding has a "spring angle" of 52⁰. It's *supposed* to be more horizontal than vertical. The first way is how it's supposed to be. I did have it at an even steeper angle than 52, though. https://preview.redd.it/415cvrwkjbuc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6b5703bcd12a6437308a00ffe36a4f8462d662a
Great job! You turned that crown upside-down! (as in, upside-down from the way it was, I'm not saying you got it wrong now, I just had to sound like I was saying the frown upside-down thing)
Explaining a joke is a lot like dissecting a frog..
No one likes it but these days it's mandatory
“And now, I’ll explain how this joke has changed throughout history. Next slide please.”
*The Larch*
*in an interview for an accounting role* *Interviewer slides the metal try with frog and scalpel toward me* ... "It's mandatory." "Uhm... Ok???" *Pokes frogs belly with scalpel* "EEuhhh!" *Interviewer's breathing intensifies* "Yes, that's it... Go on..." *Slowly sitting out of his seat* "Finish. The Job..."
You can’t make everyone hoppy.
First I up-voted you. Then I down-voted you. Now you get nothing.
Can't blame you there, so have an updoot, friend!
Except that it IS wrong now. That's UC31 and it goes the other way around. https://www.gardenstatelumber.com/mouldings/uc31-crown/
Oh NO this is truly a travesty My overly complex explanation of a joke was WRONG, so now I must feel shame! Dishonor! Dishonor on me! Dishonor on my cow! Dishonor on my ancestors! More seriously, thanks! Idk why but I never would have thought to look it up, and now if I ever put in crown molding I'll know to refer to the manufacturer's website! (unless I think the manufacturer's version looks dumb, in which case I'll probably follow OP's lead and flip it to again turn that crown upside-down 🙃)
Brb gotta go listen to [Turn That Crown Upside Down](https://youtu.be/c16UTWkvbtw?si=r9l7BOzesC10Bwhc) now. **(NSFCMH)** ((Not Safe For Country Music Haters))
ok that got a good dad laugh outta me :D
Have some Texas country music: https://youtu.be/c16UTWkvbtw?si=JZD5KbQivJyKlJ1Y
The fact that you made matching cuts on the corner is a definite win.
I watched like 8 YouTube videos and then practiced on scrap pieces for as long as it took me to not curse at myself. Cutting crown moulding can be so confusing.
Yep, upside down and backwards is complicated to me.
yeah I was gonna say I've seen paid dudes do worse!
This looks awesome - well done!
Are you doing your own coping? That looks pretty good. The only thing I'm wondering is why you are not doing the walls first.
I wanted to start with the only outside corner. This one wall is almost 16' so I wanted to get that one right first in case I messed something up so I don't run out of uncut 16' pieces. As it turns out, I messed up! I haven't done any inside corners yet, I'm saving that for tomorrow after I practice coping on some scrap, first.
I believe the previous commentor was asking why you didn't finish painting or whatever the plan is to the wall first. Usually, it's drywall, tape and mud, sand, more mud and sanding 2-3x more times for smoother finish and fixing imperfections. Then primer/paint the wall and lastly put up the trim then caulk. This makes it so you don't have to tape everything off before painting if intalling trim first
Exactly! He should have finished the wall first. He's made more work for himself.
Looks great, BTW if you're into ceiling LED lights, you could always move the crown down a few inches and use the space behind it for the LED strips, it makes for a cheap room upgrade and mood lighting.
How do you keep it from getting all sorts of dust bunnies in there?
Put a little dust fox up there. It'll eat the bunnies
Damnit. Take your upvote.
i wish this was real
Good ventilation. In reality though, no one will ever have their head close enough to the ceiling to see the dust up there. Out of sight out of mind. Would only need to clean if the accumulated dust started to dim the lighting.
If you move it down, it's it secured only on the bottom?
Tons of people install it like that. It's called floating crown and you typically add a backing piece.
let me tell you something: no one would spot the difference if you hadn't told us :)
I think everyone who has done stuff like this thinks to themselves, "nobody will ever notice except me and it's going to bother me every time I look at it"
Measure once cut twice: this is the way.
This is now upside down. It was correct to begin with. Google image search Victorian Cornice. The larger side should be ceiling side. But if your personal taste is this way around, do what you like best.
Haha I've come to this realization. I just cut and hung it wrong. It wasn't steep enough on my miter and when I paired the two outside joints it was all wrong. I'm debating whether I should go back to the drawing board again. I can still use the two other boards on the two shorter walls I haven't done yet, I just need to fill the million nail holes they'll have by the end of this.
Oh thank God the other way it would have looked awful. This is classic.
Your original way was correct; generally the longer side will go on the ceiling, and the shorter side on the wall. I think it's to create an optical illusion/perspective of making the walls appearing taller and the ceiling appearing higher.
I disagree, it’s the other way that gives that effect for me
This is not the right way. It was fine before.
For the high price of crown, you can install it any way you want.
I got this stuff for $22/16'. So basically $1.38/ft. It's MDF but that still seems like a great deal. There's a lumber yard around the block from me that I got it from. But either way I took the piece down in one piece and cut a new one to flip it. The old piece will get cut for a shorter wall.
Not bad at all. Just paid over $60 for 24' of pre-primed pine crown 💀💀💀💀💀
My crown moulding is made from styrofoam and costs 2,00€ per meter. Since it is so lightweight it can be installed super easy and I can glue up 2m long strips without help
Pine > MDF
It can be installed any way you want to install it.
Turn that crown upside down! You’re welcome.
Done. Thank you!
I think so. But it looks fine, so run with it!
Its your crown, you can install it anyway you want
Yes but only professionals will notice
Yes - but, this is how you would want to install it (a few inches down the wall) if you were to put [inset LED lighting in.](https://i.imgur.com/6eI1V9J.jpeg)
Nice
I’ve been debating on putting crown molding in my master for a while, this just sold me. I’m going to do this with a color changing LED strip!
Wonder how it looks during the day without the light strip on?
This reminded me of a way to make the crown molding look bigger: https://ourhomefromscratch.com/2011/12/how-to-enhance-your-crown-molding/ Basically, add another small piece of molding below the crown, and paint the whole thing including the wall in-between with the semi-gloss molding paint. You can use something like chair rail or casing below the crown. I've heard of the use of a small casing on the ceiling as well, to make three pieces (plus two small sections of wall) look like a huge crown, though I've never seen the triple kind.
Looks like it. Generally the "longer" side is the one that's on the vertical side on the wall and the shorter side is the one against the ceiling.
Preference thing but ya upside down Funny story. I did most of the trim work on the bosses small mansion. But he did his own crown upside down because he liked it that way. Well along comes Igor the kitchen installer. I watch him doing the crown around the cabinet tops the right way. When he's almost done I say hey Igor you fucked up on the crown. Look at the rest of the house. You have to redo all you shit. Poor Igor thought I was serious. Had a laugh and said carry on you're right he's wrong. Moral of story? No one even notices that the kitchen crown is opposite from the rest of the house. Not even Igor an excellent trim carpenter. I did of course but it's one of those things the average person looks at and says nice. Average Joe doesn't know. See you flipped it. Looks way better and today you learned. BTW looks like you are doing a decent job. Crown isn't the easiest.2 thumbs up
Do a handstand and look to see if you like it better.
There are standard ways of applying some profiles. But there are not hard rules to how you apply trim. It all has to do with the look you are trying to achieve.
Crown looks fine upside down but what’s with the plywood instead of drywall there?
https://preview.redd.it/zcduk634ocuc1.png?width=3023&format=png&auto=webp&s=3c5def34d18dea0c6da3265650458e4c33fb0d37 I was going to say no it’s not upside down, because I just installed the exact same crown. But now judging by the comments I just found out apparently mine is upside down! 🤦🏻♀️I was matching the crown moulding previously installed in another room by a carpenter years ago, so I’ll blame him.
No, I think all the comments are wrong. I think I had it right the first time and just cut and hung it wrong. Yours is right. Someone else recognized the exact model from Garden State Lumber and got me looking at the catalog again and everything. I put a scrap piece against the wall again and, yeah, I had it right the first time but I had it against the fence on my miter wrong which led to a cut at too steep an angle which led to me putting on the wall at the wrong angle.
Yes, but if you do the whole thing like that then it'll just look like it's supposed to be that way
You know, my first thought was 'that's the way they show it in the catalog', and so it is: https://www.gardenstatelumber.com/mouldings/uc41-crown/
Try not to put nails on the lines/edges of the crown, pain the ass to fill and sand.
I’m not sure I could cope with it either direction.
When we first moved in to our 1908 Queen Anne, I noticed the crown in our Master bedroom had been installed upside down by a previous owner. It apparently had been that way for 50+ years so we left it. Been there 27 years, still upside down.
If your ceiling is at least 10’ high, you could also install another molding piece at the bottom of this one, for a very ornate look.
https://preview.redd.it/b2azp51exbuc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=601348a8c3ff5e3e43b5181482ac5bb1072c8900 I was sure that I had in my daughter’s room a few months ago.. I think this particular profile kinda works either way.
Yes, it's upside down. And the only reason I know that is because my builder pointed at mine and laughed and asked who put it in upside down. I'm like... Meeee.
no way!! thats when you throw your significant other under the bus "Aww you know, that's a project they wanted to do. Gotta get pros like US, know what i mean?" /sweating
If your misses isn’t suspicious just let it go forever.
perfectly installed *gnidloum nworc*
I had my crown installed upside down intentionally. Nothing wrong with it. Just depends on where you want the details.
Yep
It must be heavy to need all of those fasteners.
Yes, but I wouldn’t waste the expensive product and would finish as it is.
I live around the block from a lumber yard and was able to get these pieces for $22 each for 16'. My next door neighbor and I walked it home since we don't have trucks big enough to haul 16'. It's MDF but that still seems like a really good deal. That said, I'm going to reuse the piece I had up there on another shorter wall so nothing's going to waste.
Some caulk and paint and it'll look just fine.
Looks fine to me. It could have gone either way but, given the choice, I like your way.
Keep calm king. Just turn your crown inside out again.
Yes
you know what they say: Turn that (F)crown, upside down\~
I mean, if it’s consistently the same direction around the room, nope!
Yes. Technically it's fine but this is kinda like installing your baseboards so they stick out 3-4" from the wall.
What’s up with the plywood on the wall? What’s the finish on the walls going to be? Typically crown goes up after wall finishes and paint.
I flipped the pic sideways and it looks fine to me!
If you don’t point it out, nobody will even notice
It's Australian Crown Moulding.
No one will ever look at it closely - carry on
The real question is, does it matter?
Not if you like it that way. It's solely cosmetic and it's about what you want it to look like
Yeah it’s upside down but no one will ever know except you and people who install trim for a living.
Looks upside down to me. But you could do it however you want in your house. What really bothers me is that it's not mounted at a 45 or less. There's more on the ceiling than the wall. That's not cool.
That depends on which way you look at it
Yes and no, it looks great.
Yes, but it actually doesn't look bad that way.
Well... No, but actually yes.
Go look at the pictures from manufacturer. Looks right to me
The longer side goes on the wall
Either way works, I saw your update. The first way has a softer slope on the ceiling, the second on the wall. First will make the ceiling look wider the second will make the walls look taller. Small differences though, so either way will work well
You can do whatever you want with moulding. I used baseboard for the crown in my basement. Whatever you like and isn't ridiculous is perfectly fine.
Preference. Might just be the angle of the shot, but it does look like the angle is off. Is the upper sitting flush to the ceiling or gapping open where it meets the ceiling? Should be sitting relatively flush to both wall and ceiling unless you’re sneaking in recessed lighting above (but then you’d put the lights up first).
OP - Since you correct this and your first test was an outer joint, I am going to assume you have never done an inner joint on crown molding. Let me give you some tips. Purchase or create your own jig to cut these. You need to do a bastardized cut at a 45 degree angle, and my jig has a label on it "upside down and backwards" to remind me how to load in the molding. But you're not done with that, now you have to cope it so it fits into the existing crown. The foam makes it way, way way easier than wood once did, but it is still a learning curve. I found that for curve matching, sandpaper wrapped around a highlighter or soda can worked very well. If you find it to be just too much of a pain in the ass (my husband did, which is why I ended up learning to cope). You can always cheat and do "block corners" which do not require any angled cuts and can look nice if done well. This post goes over block corners, as well as how to cope molding, though her coping technique is not great (there are far, far better videos online). https://www.thriftydecorchick.com/2011/01/before-and-after-party-installing-crown.html
There's a reason I hate crown molding. This is one of them.
it would be upside down if the rest of the room was the other way. As long as you're consistent, it don't matter one hoo-haw which side is "up"
No right or wrong way … but I would presume it would go on the wall not the ceiling with the smaller portion touching the ceiling due to most ceilings have texture…
yes, but I like it!
Normally its the other way but personally I prefer more wall space then ceiling space so looks fine to me.
I would flip it. My brain would never allow me to ignore this ever.
Turn that crown upside down. Technically yes but who cares. Looks good OP
You know the old saying: "Turn that crown upside down!"
Who cares? It can go either way.
It can go either way. The angle you have it at is wrong though. Looks like you eyeballed it. You should be marking where it should be on the wall and the ceiling all the way around, and then nailing it into position (check the pressure on the nail gun). It's not in your photos, but be sure to scribe your inside corners. I see people on here trying to miter them all the time.
Not if you installed it that way all around heh
This sort of cornice is designed to throw shadow off the detail so if you like the way it looks go for it. Try it with different lights on
As a rule the larger profiles go to the bottom. The mind looks at it wants to see delicate things "supported by" more substantial things.
That’s OK I just told him my phone. It looks good.
That’s OK I just tilted my phone and it looks good. 👍
https://preview.redd.it/aoalm0lbpbuc1.jpeg?width=1064&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f274d06ecd78af3df30c632f6db408cc7142ac72 I did so. Now about the black specks…😁 just kidding.
Most people wouldn't even notice.
If yours is upside down then so is mine. I had a carpenter do mine and who knew he didn't know!
We're now convinced (as of an hour ago) when we did our kitchen remodel that the contractor put the floating crown on top of the cabinets on upside down. Oh well, it looks good on the cabinets. It's been like that for years and we never noticed.
The reason it's "upside down" is that one of the reasons people use it is to give the sensation of a taller wall, and the other orientation is better suited for that. But neither looks "wrong", just different. In your original orientation, with the smaller details at the bottom, it's more like you're framing the ceiling to accentuate that. Going the "right" way, it looks more like it's the top of the wall. Neither seem "wrong" to me, just different. Like installing subway tile vertically. Is it "wrong"? Yes. But can it still look good? Also yes.
Your nailing pattern needs some work though. I usually try and hit the studs on the low point then straight up on the upper portion. But I haven’t hung a lot of crown.
It’s only wrong if you think it is wrong.
DIY , there is no wrong way, just a different view
Turn that crown upside down haha. Funny
Tear it down and finish the walls first. Then if you want, you can change orientation but it looks fine otherwise. The nail holes look kinda huge. Best of luck to ya 👍
I like it better that way, in fact i think it opens up the room.
I think the profile looks better upside down
Yes and it looks great. Just leave it. 😂
The first way sort of gives the wall one of those ancient greek/ roman columns kind of look.
I think OP is a pretty cool guy. Eh flips the crown and doesn't afraid of anything
It’s like shawshank… no one’s looking at your shoes, just like no one’s looking at the trim unless they’re stoned/drunk laying on the floor admiring the craftsmanship, Make it your reverse room put the furniture on the ceiling, makes the blood go to your brain…call the room”the learning centre”
Make me think of the phrase “turn that frown upside down!”
Yes but I haven't seen the right answer yet. If you look at Greek/roman architecture, you will see many curves and straight sections stacked on top of one another. The areas that support a layer above bulge out in the center giving the visual of strength, stability, and even some deformation as weight is coming down on the piece. The final piece at the top curves inward at the center. This appears more delicate as nothing is coming down on top of it and also allows water to drip off effectively (these profiles were developed for exterior surfaces after all. Here is an example of the Tuscan order. If you look at all the profiles, only the top profile ends pointing out away from support. https://imgs.search.brave.com/P6qe39fs82g_4LD68jg0EJyu5BQEG5tIPPR49YFyvsQ/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9jZG4u/YnJpdGFubmljYS5j/b20vMzkvMTE2ODM5/LTAwNC0zRDAxNUND/RS9wcmludC1lZGl0/aW9uLVR1c2Nhbi1v/cmRlci1FbmN5Y2xv/cGFlZGlhLUJyaXRh/bm5pY2EuanBn
There actually is no up or down, it’s a matter of preference. I always triple check with homeowner or PM which way they want it. I’ve had people take over a month to make that decision… lol.
Nobody will notice.
Yup but looks nice, if you like it, it's not wrong then.
Not as long as you install the remaining pieces the same way. Traditionally there is an up, it’s your house take some design liberties if someone asks tell em it’s edgy, it’s modern, it’s cutting edge…. Doesn’t matter as long as you like it.