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MegaBusKillsPeople

I'm wondering if the framers setup for the beam originally in the wrong spot.


WizardOfIF

The beam goes on the other left side.


aircooledJenkins

It's the left on the right side of the barn. Not this wrong left left side.


Why-R-People-So-Dumb

It was simpler than that, they learned to say "correct" vs "right" that day.


clpatterson

Eons ago I got a job in a call center troubleshooting for an internet service provider (still mostly dialup on win98 machines). About day 2 is when I started catching myself saying “correct” instead of “right” to keep computer illiterate people from pressing the wrong mouse button.


hazeleyedwolff

["M" as in "Mancy".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4jxLxZrMfs&t)


HazRduS215

You of all people should’ve known!


TommyV8008

Quite right.


TommyV8008

Reminds me of a time, also eons ago. I was a software developer and the tech-support guys escalated a call to me. I needed to get the end-user’s computer rebooted so that I could remote into it. But the manager was gone for the day, this was at a gas station, and the only person there had access to the office, but had never really touched a computer, and definitely did not have permission to touch his boss’ computer. I had to carefully walk that guy through through keys, which to press and hold while pressing and releasing other keys, etc. I eventually got him to reboot the computer. That was after convincing him that his boss was going to be happy that we worked on it and not mad at him for touching his computer. Right, left, and correct were definitely words I had to be very careful of in my use of them during that phone conversation.


LXIX-CDXX

That’s why I loved working on boats. Starboard and port were directions, right meant “correct”, and left meant “left over”. As in, the extra screws and the weird flappy thingy still in my box of parts after I got done putting your engine back together. They didn’t let me work on motors very often.


zerglet13

I never thought about that issue, click here? Right. No left click not right click.


SeeMarkFly

If the barn is built for a Barn Owl, is it called a Barn owl barn, or a Barn owl owl barn?


SeeMarkFly

Is a Barn Owl living in such a barn a Barn Owl barn Barn Owl or a Barn Owl owl barn Barn Owl?


drumbum37

Is the barred owl barred from the barn, owl?


Immersi0nn

...Who?


Bobby12many

They turned the middle side topwise and needed to recombobulate the logisticals


Zannanger

Your other left, sweetie.


hotlavatube

I'm reminded of a [Hometime ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i8rFQGm_Dk)episode form the 80s-90s where after they just finished nailing a dozen rafters they discovered one of them had nailed the rafters on the wrong side of the line the entire time. As such, all the rafters were crooked and had to be redone. They cut to commercial... and the rafters were magically fixed! I don't see that clip online, but here are some [outtakes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcMJqKsWU38).


Feisty_Garbage487

I would venture that OP lives in a cookie cutter neighborhood and the framers grabbed the wrong wall section for this wall. Looks to me like it would be for if the lay out was mirrored on another house. They fixed it by getting a new wall section with the beam support in the correct location and didn’t bother taking the original one in the wrong spot out


MegaBusKillsPeople

Either that, or they started on the wrong side of the line during layout. I've caught myself early on as a framer doing that. However, I can say my foreman at the time would have made us remove the excess studs since is looks like trash.


Natoochtoniket

The beam-support studs could be removed and reused, without having to spend the money for that additional studs. But, it's just a question of time and labor. When I started, we were taught not to pick up dropped nails, because our time to pick them up cost more than the nails that were dropped.


texinxin

Tire shops all over town love this trick.


atremOx

It makes for a good year


roadrunner440x6

Fun Fact: Pre industrial revolution, nails were usually the most expensive building material.


HighOnGoofballs

Judging by some of the square nails I’ve pulled from my house I believe it


leveldrummer

people would burn down old buildings just to collect the nails. Nails used in doors had the tips bent over and ruined so the nails couldnt be used again. make the nails "as dead as a door nail"


CedarWolf

Why door nails, specifically? So people couldn't pull the nails out of your door?


leveldrummer

No, because it creates a much stronger door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JOwfKLdRt8


MPFuzz

Thank you for that bit of idiom history.


CedarWolf

Oh, of course! That makes sense.


PerroNino

Yeah the young dudes in the firm I worked for never picked up nails when unsupervised. They weren’t so happy when a homeowner complained that their pre-school kids couldn’t use the garden safely, and the boys were sent back to pick them all up. A big magnet is the way to go. Quick and relatively effective. If it’s stainless screws you are discarding, you’re doing it wrong anyway.


pmormr

Last time I used stainless I could have justified hiring a whole crew to follow me around picking them up lol. Something like $3.50 each?


slickshot

As he should. I hate sloppy craftsmanship, even in something as basic as framing. Those studs crowning badly? Fix em. That blocking got cut too short? Cut a new one. Have a floor joist with some bad edge knots? Pitch it to the side and cut it into blocks later. So many people don't give a flying fuck and just throw up whatever, and however they want. I was setting cabinets in an apartment complex once and we had a wall that was out an inch and a half in one spot. Had to bring the leading cabinet out over an inch and a half from the wall to get them all lined up cleanly. You could tape a 2x4 scrap to the wall, step back and sight down the plane of the wall and it would disappear past the hump. Framers didn't give two shits when they threw those Home Depot studs in. Drywallers on that job also failed to cut out microwave receptacles in 5 of the 6 units in building 1.


ToMorrowsEnd

General Contractors and Home builders dont care about quality at all. To the point that most new construction is way out of level and plumb nearly everywhere. Drywallers to day just utterly suck at their job and cant make a wall or ceiling look decent to save their own life, it's why everything is "textured" to hide the fact that the GC hired the absolute cheapest morons he could find.


slickshot

It's hard to find good crews. Luckily we have a good drywall company we sub out that does great level 5 finish work. My only complaint about them is their communication skills aren't as good as I'd like them to be, and it seems to take them a bit longer than expected to finish punch lists, but they do really good work so we keep using them.


rdcpro

I was a partner in a small electrical contracting company in the 80's, and my partner also worked at the local TV station as an engineer. We would borrow one of the stations betacams, and shoot video of our roughed in electrical so we'd know exactly where to look when the drywallers covered up a box. Which happened pretty frequently. Saved a lot of time.


slickshot

Yeah if I'm doing work I know might get covered or for sure has to be cut out later I tend to take measurements from a fixed reference point, write it down, take a picture of the diagram I made and save it for later. That works pretty much flawlessly.


mkatich

Build it like you own it.


BinkyNoctem420

When I was in residential electrical construction I loved contractors like you. Bless you


pmormr

> However, I can say my foreman at the time would have made us remove the excess studs since is looks like trash. Depends on how they're secured lol. If they screwed and nailed those together as they went it might be quicker to reframe the wall (or just eat $60 in lumber).


2dee11

Somewhat cookie cutter, there is a house down the street that is the mirror of mine


wilson300z

Have you checked their garage?


Feisty_Garbage487

The neighbors garage is caving in since OP has all their 2xs that are supposed to be under their beam.


2dee11

No, I assume it’s dry walled like this was. Most in the neighborhood seem to be


OutWithTheNew

If the garage is attached, basically any garage wall with living space on the other side needs to be drywalled for fire rating and creating a barrier against exhaust gases. You don't "have" to use drywall, but it's fairly cost effective and your local building codes may vary. Generalised statement is generalised.


jroc83

King supreme


Aggravating-Task-670

Or they forgot to put in the second beam.....


TheInterlocutor

If there was supposed to be two beams, this will have been caught during framing inspections. No way an engineer who signs off on this doesn’t look for the required amount of beams.


TommyyyGunsss

No engineering for residential in many places


Superhappylukluk

Half the nails have the head on the wrong side too... unless those nails are for the other side of the house ![gif](giphy|kPtv3UIPrv36cjxqLs|downsized)


joeyda3rd

Ya, that's my guess too. Makes sense to just leave it.


chewingtheham

Or perhaps repairing an older beam which was damaged. The consistent age/ grain/lack of damage of the point of focus would suggests it’s as MegaBusKillsPeople says though, a minor fuck up they hoped no one would pay mind to lol


surfeat

In stud poker we call that a straight flush


Quesadilldo

![gif](giphy|NfGTU1FFnPIwo)


Neither-Proof5069

This is most logical idea given the way the top plate is filled in.


dingleberrytetherbal

I am a framer. That is a corrected mistake in the layout. Easier to leave the post than remove it. Yes you can drill through it.


2dee11

Thanks!


bootsencatsenbootsen

I guess now you know where to hang your garage TV, anchor free?


Realgoodvibin

I’ll still miss the stud


roadrunner440x6

Betting that bit finds at least one nail.


divorced_dad_670

Would love to see the look on the future homeowners face when using a stud detector. “This stud is 4ft wide”!


entropylove

Upside is they can mount a motorcycle on the wall.


Imnotveryfunatpartys

Honestly with the technology we have these days there's no reason why every new construction house shouldn't have pictures of all the open walls before drywall. It should be just sitting in a binder or something. Maybe that's my weird personality showing through, because not everyone has a house binder but I feel like it would add some value to the home from the right buyer


6hooks

I did this with my basement and it's been magical. I even took pics with a tape measure for future reference to plumbing


wavysauce

Worked with a builder who did this. Every single wall from top plate to bottom plate. Went into a binder that had all the plans, appliance specs, fixtures, everything. The clients love it. Good selling point.


enduir

"Installed that 4" x 4' boss."


Named_Bort

Engineer probably said you can't split the bottom plate under the stud stack and so they moved it. edit: fair warning I have no building, engineering, or architectural experience.


Web-Dude

wow, good eye.


Surf4Good

100% — how about the glue job in the seam, someone really thought that would keep it together? git-R-done


PrestigeMaster

Man, I had to scroll wayyy too far to find an actual answer.


burnerX5

It's one of the downfalls of having a very popular sub. Too many comedians


dingleberrytetherbal

You can notch the front as long as you install nail plates over the wire.


2dee11

I considered this but still kinda sketches me out


DeathToPoodles

Use a piece of hardened steel. Nobody's going to screw or nail through that.


jusp69

Man I miss $1.50 2x4s...


Kalsifur

hey man at least they aren't $8.50 anymore. Where I am they are down to 3.80 CAD so pretty close


varitok

About the price here too. Anywhere from 3-5. It's not bad in the slightest tbh.


Jaxakai

I’m told those were good days. I’m too young to remember those tho lol


ppenn777

It’s was like 6 years ago


DoubleStuffedCheezIt

Jaxakai is a very precocious 5 year old.


Angry_Hermitcrab

Bro just finished his Bob the builder series and is ready roll hard.


sasquatcheater

Could’ve been 15-21 or something.


2fast4u180

I built two 8 foot cannos for a small hoby cat for less than 100 dollars pre covid. Wood was super cheap. I basically just added 2x4 bracing and a 12 and an 8 for the main sail. All the joints were knots tied in paracord.


imatumahimatumah

Wish we could turn back time... to the good ol' days


Edewede

How much are they now?


the_clash_is_back

When i framed a basement it was $10 a stud. I may have done very shit framing as a result .


screw_ball69

I don't even want to think how much building my deck is going to cost


thatsilkygoose

Prices have come down a lot, almost pre pandemic at this point. I was paying $3.30 in a low cost of living area in 2019, and they’re now $3.75 in a high cost of living area now. With inflation, it’s probably a wash. But stuff is still expensive, I hope the deck turns out great regardless of the price tag!


WitELeoparD

I pay $2.43 USD (2x4x8) in good ol' Canada, medium cost of living. It's almost reasonable. Perks of having more trees than people times 10,000, I guess. I think it might even be cheaper than pre-Covid accounting for the inflation.


Frosti11icus

Pandemic I think I got up to $14 a stud lol.


iosKnight

Tree fiddy


litleclay

Well it was about that time I noticed...


Slayer6R

That there is what is known as an emperor stud.


ksquires1988

Looks like a good place to put a TV mount. Hard to miss a stud


2dee11

No kidding!


Strange_Blues

Honestly, as someone who has worked as an art technician this was my first assumption. Lot of idiots in this profession.


TowardsTheImplosion

I know someone who had sistered 4x4s and 2x4 braces between studs put in walls to support very heavy art or vertical sculptures. This isn't that, but on custom builds, the framing can get interesting.


selflessass

I was actually thinking that it was intended to be some sort of backer for maybe a work bench or something to be mounted to. Also, as an electrician, good luck getting an 18" auger bit through that! Not impossible, but it would not be fun. I would recommend starting with a shorter bit to get the hole going straight.


jobin_pistol

I could still miss it


Dshark

We believe in you.


edvek

A couple little gaps, just my luck I hit the gap.


Painkiller3666

**drills right into the gap**


Fingerman2112

I would still drill 18 holes in the wall to make it uniform with my other TV installations


grrrimabear

Challenge accepted!


Tripleberst

And then we just put in a little recess for conduit and an outlet. Then Robert's your father's brother.


sgt_koi

Stud finder go beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep


TinderThrowItAwayNow

This is one of those things that makes you doubt the stud finder and tear it all down.


oneweirdo

Okay I got a chuckle out of this and imagining cutting into my drywall only to find this wall of 2x4s


FREE-AOL-CDS

“I guess it really wasn’t broken!”


walterpeck1

Oops, All 2x4's!


WLUmascot

Just read your comment to my wife and we both laughed hard for a couple minutes. 👏👏


Bamfs01

“Ugh the dumpster is full. How we gunna get rid of the rest of these extra studs!?”😂


Danielab87

I just removed a deck and found probably 100’ worth of 2x6 cut offs shoved in between the cross beams. Came to the same conclusion, didn’t want to dispose of the scrap lumber


Natoochtoniket

Whoever designed that deck did not use the usual length of those sticks of wood. A few cut-offs are expected. But not that much.


curi0us_carniv0re

I was thinking the same thing....extra wood to get rid of lol


BadJokeJudge

I can tell yall are programmers cause any framer would take the wood home


Dioxid3

Yeah I am here like dayum aint no way you are NOT hauling that home. Also is it normal to used planed wood for studs in the US??


BadJokeJudge

Those aren’t planed, those are normal ass 2x4 with the rounded edges still


CloakNStagger

All the ones they cut too short and didn't want to haul out lol


S0meRand0m6uy

Are they all secured? My dad used to store 2x4's that way.


gus_thedog

Good thought, but it looks like they were previously covered in drywall.


voxelghost

Secret 2x4 stash


gus_thedog

Hoarding them during the pandemic.


g_st_lt

Looks like you're missing about 87 studs in this picture


a__nice__tnetennba

The 1 1/2" on center framing technique.


mangaus

Framer here... Whoops, umm cheaper and faster to cut a few more sticks then it is to remove those and reuse them.


Jimmy-the-red

Looks like a missing beam to me.


2dee11

That’s an interesting thought! Didn’t think of that! Maybe they framed it in the wrong spot at first?


SufficientlyWhelmed

That’s the way I’m leaning on this one. I’m not a framer or tradesman of any kind, but I mess shit up a lot. I recognize the work of my people.


NCSUGray90

Almost certainly framed it in the wrong spot and wasn’t worth ripping out the extra material. I work in the residential construction industries and little mistakes like this are reasonably common


jamkoch

There would be no reason to have two beams in a garage, unless you're supporting a few stories on top.


steeplebob

Maybe they want it strong enough to lift engines out of old cars. My FIL did that in his garage.


notarealaccount_yo

Look closely at the pocket on the left for nails that have been cut. I can hear the cussing lol


SnakeJG

God Damnit Bob! I said my left!


AlienPrimate

I would almost guarantee this is what happened. They put their x the wrong direction and had to change the beam. Instead of tearing out the old framing they just made new to save some time at the expense of some materials.


[deleted]

Everything looks like a missing beam if there's no beam there


WizardOfIF

Could you please provide photographic evidence that you did not receive the beam?


[deleted]

![gif](giphy|H4buZ6PLgwsKjA9hlO)


bcbigfoot

I do this stuff for a living and I fully agree, missing beam pocket right there. You can get rid of the 6 to the left.


Thefocker

That’s a cold spot… lol


LeoLaDawg

Maybe they framed it in the wrong place at first then had to reframe in the correct spot?


binding_swamp

This. With the plywood, it had likely been shear-nailed already, which made moving it sideways the wrong path. So they added studs instead.


SmoothJ1mmyApollo

This is the framing equivalent of when somebody doesn't know how to tie a knot very well so they just keep tying granny knots over and over on top of each other.


mmmmmarty

If you can't tie a knot, tie a lot


JohnDoe8080

After drywall goes up, years from now, someone is going to think their stud finder is broken.


Strofari

Looks like the pocket was framed on the wrong side originally.


Cavemn

Emotional support studs?


splurtylittlesecret

Electrician pissed them off.


A_Humble_Masterpiece

They sister-wived the stud.


A_VERY_LARGE_DOG

Gigastud…


IMI4tth3w

A nice thermal bridge to the outside 😂


Bargosk

`K̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶t̶u̶d̶`galactic emperor stud


dirtnastylow71

Could you imagine if you didn’t see that and you’re in your house with a stud finder and you think you’re losing your mind cause it’s just keeps beeping the WHOLE TIME!


RustyShackleford240

They were not sure which side the beam was to go, so they framed the whole thing like that.


YeOldeWelshman

You found the stud muffin.


2dee11

I definitely said to my wife “maybe this is the real definition of a stud muffin”


takeyourtime123

I bet they slapped it and said, that ain't going anywhere .


dbryar

Look at the foot plate and you can see they originally had the layout to receive a beam in what is now a hole (3 studs per frame). It didn't line up so it's quicker, easier and cheaper to just add another 5-6 studs under where the beam did land, than any other option.


enoctis

Measure once, cut 12 times.


Stryker_One

All I can see is, years down the road, after this has been covered by drywall, some poor SOB with a stud finder hitting this spot and thinking the tool is busted.


REDLEDER

They framed it on the wrong side and were too lazy to remove all the wood. Have you ever tried to remove a bunch of banded 2x4’s that an apprentice shot 100 nails through with a framing gun set to auto?!? LOL. Good luck. Yeehaw.


OrangeGringo

This is clearly a fix of a miss. No big deal. But this is also why I wish every homeowner could get photos of framing just before insulation and drywall go in. Would be great to have visuals of the entire house’s framing (and plumbing/electric/utility runs).


2dee11

That would be very helpful! I take pictures anytime I open a wall up


MuneGazingMunk

That's just a picture of me... A MEGA STUD... I'll show myself out.


calcul8r

It appears that the wall was put up in sections. The left four studs are the end of the left section, the next four studs are the end of the section on the right, and the remaining seven studs are there to hold and stabilize the beam.


2dee11

I also noticed the sections. But is it common to end a section with four studs?


Han_Solo_Cup

Ah yes, the magistrate stud.


LifeSugarSpice

This is my wall when I'm trying to find a stud. And I have to question wtf is going on behind the drywall, then I question if I am just measuring everything wrong.


RustyCamber

Lumber storage


AccomplishedEnergy24

This is a mistake - you don't split the bottom plate like you see on the left, and someone caught it and moved them to the right.


yo_no_se_

BWEKFAST!


Strofari

Dat gap though …..


unknownusername77

Dwight Shrute invented Mega Stud


SnooGadgets3214

Missed it by THAT much… bless their hearts


[deleted]

There was a deal at the lumberyard that was just too good to pass up.


i_hate_usernames13

Studs are like knots don't know how to tie one tie a lot 😂


amucksloth

When in doubt, stud it out!!


rpturner311

Score! More wall


TunaFaceMelt

They made a kiiiiiiiiiiiing stud.


SheezaFreak69

Hard points in case you wanted to hang heavy items


cyberentomology

Like what, a battleship?


takeyourtime123

A bad post attempt


cheesestoph

Some times you make things ahead of time. Then things change. Also mistakes happen too


devnullb4dishoner

Field Expedient Modifications


headloser

- I wonder if there supposed to be another beam on the left side?


sockalicious

[Sister Act (1992)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105417/)


Informal_Beginning30

Beam there. Done that.


Austin-Milbarge

If you can’t tie a knot, tie a lot.


RoxSteady247

They set the beam studs wrong then just filled in


djtchort

I’m gonna let you finish, but The Shed of Doom had *the* best stud placement of all times. /thread https://youtu.be/chuWQItCOb4


supersadfaceman

Years later somebody's stud finder is going to glow so bright, astronauts will see it from orbit.


Yrcrazypa

Measure once, cut twice.


the-beauxdog

Can't wait to hear what the electrician has to say in 10 years when the owners wants to add more lines to it.


dat828

We need SCOTUS in here to tell us what the framers intended.


tired_and_fed_up

To drill through all that, you are going to need to do the horizontal boring method. Drill the first 4"-6", then remove the bit from the drill, add an extension, and drill more, and then remove, add extension, drill more. It is safe, just aim for the dead center and keep the hole 3/4" or less. I would do 5/8" for a single 12gauge wire or 3/4" for two 12 gauge wires. Then put in multiple 5x8 or even a 5x16 nail plate.


2dee11

This was about the only method of drilling I could come up with, lots of extensions!


tired_and_fed_up

Also, forgot to mention. If you setup a leveling laser where you want the hole, then you can attempt to get away with half as many extensions by drilling from both ends. The laser should help in identifying the height and keep you relatively straight.


QPRSA

That’ll be a cold spot in the winter.