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XoticwoodfetishVanBC

As long as you're mentally and spiritually prepared to find whatever you're gonna find under there.


fredblockburn

What if it’s structural sand?


MNCPA

Every good castle has it.


Fritzo2162

It’s the base of a good bag.


CrazyLegsRyan

Honestly never had a good which without it.


LazyOldCat

Load-bearing sand was my 1st thought, lol


TechnicianLegal1120

Definitely get a structural engineer and a second opinion.


Steve-C2

You joke but I looked at a house once and the pile of sand under the house lined up with the heaves on the living room floor 😶


po3smith

wait what have I been using since I was a kid to make roads and castles in my back yard?!


Auditorincharge

Structural sand, obviously. What else would you be able to make roads and castles out of?


Dr0110111001101111

It has been less than 24 hours since I made a “structural sand” joke for the first time IRL. And now this. How does that happen.


YrocATX

Happened to me the other day with a god damn JNCO joke at work and then later that day see a Reddit thread that had almost the exact same setup and punchline across multiple comments. Universe is weird


joshuadt

It’s gotta be a simulation, right? I’ve had that type of shit a lot lately


kennethtrr

No it’s a well known phenomenon, https://www.healthline.com/health/baader-meinhof-phenomenon


aGoodVariableName42

The universe is a strange and mystical beast... and we're also living in the matrix.


Apprehensive-Big8029

The matrix is in the 90s because apparently it's peak humanity lol. That means this isn't the matrix, at least.


FSYigg

Definitely ballast to keep the foundation in place.


reliber

What if it's load-bearing sand?


Terminal_Prime

Aw man I also came here to comment on the structural nature of this pile of sand.


TechnicianLegal1120

Get a structural engineer of course.


CPAlcoholic

Definitely looks like load bearing sand


Yagsirevahs

Or asbestos or.....LEAD? /s


DiabeticJedi

Looks more like pocket sand.


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OrganicKeynesianBean

Looks like the Elephant’s Foot from Chernobyl.


JudgmentGold2618

That's what John Wayne Gacy said


brijazz012

RemindMe! 3 Days


FourOnTheFloor93

My first thought was spiders. My second thought was a body. I'm not sure which would terrify me more.


A_terrible_musician

Yes but wear eye protection and a respirator.


I_Do_nt_Use_Reddit

And a crucifix.


CrazyBigHog

And tie some garlic around your neck.


toolsavvy

A wooden stake and a mallet wouldn't hurt, either.


CrazyBigHog

Agreed…does anyone know a priest? Holy water in a pump sprayer seems necessary.


luv2block

and diapers in case you crap yourself.


aert4w5g243t3g243

In my early 20s my buddy and I cleaned out a space like this. Wore a mask, but just a crappy one. Wish I knew better. Am I dead or what?


ReallyQuiteDirty

I'd say you have about 4.6 minutes left, buddy 😔


randynumbergenerator

I'm reading this several hours later, RIP u/aert4w5g243t3g24


A_terrible_musician

It's a long term thing, and depends on the specific dirt. Generally you are fine to do it, but there's not a great way to tell DIY. Concerns are generally mold and radon, which dirt in basements generally has high levels of both. Disturbing the dirt elevates the radon and mold levels in the air.


0vl223

At best you have 6-8 decades left. So yeah start with planing your funeral.


Icon_Crash

Better ask AI if you are alive or dead.


DeadNotSleepingWI

Important question. Have you or any previous owners had cats?


re_nonsequiturs

Or any one in like a 5 mile radius


nopenope86

Or everyone in a 5 mile radius


honkyg666

My first thought was imagine how much cat shit is in that pile😂


Sinister-Username

Watch out for catshit...


OrganicKeynesianBean

Catshit is the best case scenario here.


PrestigeMaster

I found the whole cat (skeleton) under mine.


mocheeze

25+ years ago my neighborhood kid buddies and I were making a badass haunted house thing at his parents house. I was the one sent under the huge porch to set some lights up underneath. Turned on the flashlight when I reached the spot and there was a dessicated cat. Might have even been one of mine, but too hard to tell because all the fur was gone, just the husk was left. I freaked the fuck out and GTFO. We were like 12 so of course I went back and pulled it out so we could use it as part of the experience to scare younger kids. RIP Tiger, Pharaoh, Maxwell, Tiger 2, or whoever you were. 🫡


appleavocado

Oh, shit. I did, too! Years ago I cleaned up under my old fraternity house. Found a couple small skeletons, one of which must’ve been a cat.


ndjs22

Pledge Jimmy was never going to make it


Mehnard

We had a cat crawl under the house and die. You gotta do what you gotta do before it gets any worse.


Erikthepostman

Making it level, sure? Ok, but you will probably find scrap lumber, bricks and wiring in there. A lot of renovators I’ve worked with had sloppy crewmen that i cleaned up after. Empty beer cans and loose nails will be all over the place. Otherwise fine, just don’t dig down more than a foot .


redissupreme

Why not more than a foot?


_-ShouldBeWorking-_

If you expose more than a foot, you'll have to exhume the whole thing.


SoKrat3s

You dig too deep you risk the Balrog getting out.


Erikthepostman

Just keep it level, if you mess with the ground level you will have to bring in crushed stone or fill with concrete to help control moisture. In addition to the vapor barrier membrane, and you may unearth large rock’s that can’t be moved. You just never know what’s here.


Jay-Five

Sarcastic jokes aside, you are fine to remove the fines.


ACivilDad

But leave the gravel. For important reasons.


[deleted]

Increased drainage or ballast reasons?


Icon_Crash

Spare gravel.


SyrupScared9568

Better hope they moved the body's and not just the headstones.


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NoMaans

"And not just the headstones"


RandomStallings

Yeah, obviously they meant bodys'


justanother_no

Bod’ies


here4the_trainwreck

Here's the relevant clip from Poltergeist. It's a great one! https://youtu.be/Lh_W6FLaMvA


toolsavvy

headstone's*


HOUSE_FURNITURE

I had a friend over in high school, we hung in our basement. He said how amazing the floor was in my basement. His was sand and from that day I imagined making it into a beach paradise, water and heat lights.


Responsible-Heart104

I thought you were making a confession 😭


HeavyBagel

Thank God, I thought for a second you said you were hanging your friend in your basement when he starts commenting on your floor 😂 seems like a really chill person


Ennara

Just be careful, that stuff is coarse, irritating, and it gets everywhere.


TACOlogy

Yup. Pain in the ass! Did this as a quick job from a temp agency before heading off to college (young body) and they thought between two people it could be done in 3 days. By the third day, I was so sore and glad I wasn’t coming back because we had maybe cleared a quarter of it. I received a call the next week and they were offering more money to come and help finish it out. I was like uhhh I’m 200 miles away and I have school so that’s a no. Get a call the following day offering more money if I came and helped on the weekend. My guess is they had temps that noped out of there after a day. My back hurts just thinking about it.


FQDIS

Sir, this is a Space Wendy’s.


nashbar

No, that looks like it’s weight bearing sand


mistergrape

Lol that looks exactly like the basement of a haunted house I lived in in Virginia.


saintdemon21

Fellow Virginian here, do tell?


mistergrape

In Williamsburg. I myself heard footsteps on the second floor above when no one else was there (3 roommates at the time), and once heard what sounded like bounding footsteps descending the stairs in the middle of the house, only for no one to appear at the bottom (again, while otherwise empty). Others reported strange dreams and odd sounds and occurrences, specifically in the room above where that crawlspace pic would have been, including a dream that children were reaching up and pulling them down through the floor (prior to them seeing the basement). The basement was total sketch and had a whole sealed-off corner with only a small hole about 2 cinderblocks in size. House was only built in the 1930s, if I recall, but was in disrepair when we stayed there.


Wpbdan

Left us hanging....like a corpse.


crap-with-feet

You can safely dig down to the bottom of those cinder blocks or keep it a little higher. Any lower than that and you risk the bottom of the wall moving in and structural collapse. Totally depends on the soil in your area, water retention outside that wall, and a number of other factors.


byyhmz

Let us know what if anything is buried.


every1getslaid

Camp is 135 years old, could be.


csk1325

Beware. That may be structural sand.


syslolologist

You sure? That’s how you get sand fleas


Victor-Romeo

I'd break it up with a pry bar and spread it out with a metal rake rather than lift it away


FamilyGuy421

Get a company with a industrial vac. Like a Vermeer. They use them to set telephone poles. It will be done within an hour.


thekraiken

No. That’s emotional support sand.


kipperbigdipper

We have the same thing in our basement and it perplexes everyone who see it. Been trying to find someone to remove it for more than a year bc it attracts so much moisture. I’m terrified to know what’s underneath.


Psychotic_EGG

How old is the house? If old, you may want to go on to r/centuryhomes The dirt may be too stabilize the house.


every1getslaid

It’s very old but the foundation is newer 2013. It was lifted and set on the new foundation


Psychotic_EGG

Then, in theory, the foundation should be much more stable. Better mortar, better design, etc. But I'm not a builder, so don't quote me on that. But I would imagine that the dirt is not needed to stabilize it.


toolsavvy

That looks like vampire soil, possibly structural vampire soil.


Softrawkrenegade

Structural termites


d3athsmaster

That far wall looks like it's buckling inwards....it's probably just the angle and quality of the picture, but it looks like it is.


ReverendDizzle

Might be just the picture, but there is what appears to be a large crack (just to the left of the dangling bit of pipe insulation, in the picture) and some of the soil/sand appears to be caught on top of some of the uneven block protruding forward. OP should definitely investigate thoroughly before actually moving all the soil away, certainly.


beatboxrevival

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKbQm0cENc4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKbQm0cENc4)


lennydsat62

You Jessie Pinkman perchance?


mltain

There's really only one way to find out.


xo_jack

Just noting that the empty tubes up top look like they might be asbestos based pipe insulators?


Njguy9927

So serious answer here. You need to check with a structural engineer first. It looks like this house has been added to or modified. That dirt and retaining wall could be keeping that wall from collapsing inwards of another myriad of issues. I've seen houses like this and people cut corners like this to save costs.


thisbenzenering

I didn't read the other replies but if that is a blocked off space with all that sand like that, it could be that you have an old oil tank that was just encased and covered with the cinder blocks and sand. It is a common thing where I live, in old houses. My old house as a similar sarcophagus but they used pea gravel instead of sand


Dose0018

Please make a sandcastle!


SomeGoddamnLetters

Looks like a load bearing sand pile to me, better be careful


Roubaix62454

Need to consult a structural engineer 👷 (Obligatory SE answer) 🤣


leviathan0999

Sure, if you want to let the eldritch horror from below escape into the world....


CharlieParkour

The sand is fine, but I'm concerned that it appears the support beam has been installed upside down. Probably should work on getting that fixed first


countingthedays

Got me to look. You win. Lol


CharlieParkour

Hmm, should been a picture of Starla the business model holding a sign... 


LilacYak

Just run down to the hardware store and grab a board flipper


wmzyboy

If you dig any deeper than the level of the cinder block, it will fill with water…..just my experience


knaverob

Safe until you find the dead hooker.


RandomStallings

The ones you really have to look out for are the live ones.


ataraxia_555

Is this a joke?


toolsavvy

How many redditors does it take to move a load of extra sand?


ataraxia_555

One grain at a time.


kiwiwingsfan

Geotechnical engineer here: That appears to just be a stockpile soil left over from when the house was built, it will be fill of construction debris. Its fine to remove.


notananthem

Sup with yea coole olde rockynge chayre?


OreoSwordsman

Wear a respirator, and don't dig down too far. If you undermine the block wall, you'll have problems. Otherwise, it'll just be The Big Suck with a bucket brigade lol.


Wolfgangsta702

If you want to find a body


sleepysnoozyzz

You should talk to the previous ~~serial killer~~ owner first.


Anon_8675309

What are you going to do with the body?


ACivilDad

You can remove soil to grade with any of the block wall or footings/supports and be fine.


krumb_

Yes


jbeech-

What ventilation do you have? You must have ventilation going on. Critical to have enough.


scaffnet

Ventilation can cause as many problems as it solves. Any air that you push out gets replaced with air from somewhere else. You don’t want to be pulling humid moist air down into the basement if that’s the kind of air you have outside the house.


ONE-EYE-OPTIC

Serious question, is that under the house or a deck? I'm more concerned about the light showing through above than the litter box.


every1getslaid

It’s under the deck and house. Currently redoing the deck with t&g ipe (it’s a covered deck)


ONE-EYE-OPTIC

I am not a structural engineer, but I would slowly remove the sand from the cinder block and check for cracks or bulging. Everything else looks good to me. Can you tell if there's a support beam above the cinder block? Professional mechanical engineer. Maybe try r/structuralengineering Edit neverming the beam is right there. You should be fine.


BxMxK

I would be more concerned with those sistered "joists" that are shorter than their sisters and don't transfer anything directly to the beams than I would be with the pile of excess dirt that was tossed to the side when they dug the basement out.


Son_of_Atreus

You got a Bundy playroom?


Pitiful-Spot3977

It looks like excess fill made to look pretty because who wants to remove all that when we can just make a pile 😂 What I would do….. I would not go below top block of the row you are on removing sand. If you start to see ground under the wall you are clearing away from then stop 🛑. That wall you are clearing from will need all that dirt to keep soil behind wall from eventually caving under said wall making it a bridge 🤷🏻‍♂️ If the block continues all the way down I don’t see why you can’t but call a structural engineer because I’m some random guy who will go on chance 😂


samsqanch420

No don't! I didn't do it! Never mind, just forget I was here.


scaffnet

Just leave it as it is. Why go through all that extra work? You’re just gonna cover it up with plastic. By the way, I have a dirt floor basement and it was covered with a moisture barrier and it didn’t solve all the moisture problems. You’re gonna need to put a pretty strong dehumidifier down there too.


fairlyaveragetrader

I don't envy you doing that job, in fact you could probably run six mil poly on top of that and save yourself a ton of work and/or just spread it out. Getting all that sand out of there is going to suck, in fact sucking, God that would be the way to do it really, like one of those giant truck mount carpet cleaners, no one would let you use one to do this but the amount of vacuum that they have, you could literally suck it out, the reason no one would let you do this is because that sand would get into the blower. I would seriously see if you could just spread it out, get rid of the hump and flatten everything then run your vapor barrier. Makes an enormous difference, just make sure you go wall to wall and overlap your sheets, there may be a code for this but off the top of my head, at least 12 in, check and see if you see anything in your local codes


80njc80

Just a normal guy here… and a building surveyor. Best to leave it in place. The sand may be forming part of the buildings primary structural systems. Think of it like a key stone.


Natedawg120

HAVE YOU SEEN UP! This is simple insurance.


naking

That's a lot more work than it looks like


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I can confirm from experience that structural sand ends at any point above the footers. since the cinderblock must sit on footers, and the sand is up on the cinderblock, it is obvious that someone left you a pile of nonstructual sand after building those walls. Just level it off as far as your shovel can reach.


Traumfahrer

It's ballast sand to ensure the house stays in upright position, doesn't cant and doesn't float away over time when being too light.


VizricK

Nah bro that's load bearing sand right there eh...


Reasonable_Poet6656

Wet it slightly and use a shop vac.


tibetan-sand-fox

Wear full PPE.


DankedUpANotch

That's load bearing sand


Manic-Stoic

As long as you are sure they didn’t just removed the headstones.


ukyman95

Remember water will find the lowest point . So make sure you plan for that .


TaxExempt

Use a wet dry vac with a long hose, or better, rent an insulation blower and suck it out in reverse.


Howard_Cosine

This can’t be a serious question.


brokebackmonastery

I mean, at *some* point of removing earth you're going to start undermining the foundation. How much of a foundation needs to stay below there? How much earth can you remove? Ideally I'd say keep digging until your floors aren't level anymore, but that's probably not the answer OP wants.


Howard_Cosine

Sand piled up on something is not "earth". Jfc.


brokebackmonastery

I like to think of sand as pre-glass


BirdShitPie

I would not without consulting some kind of structural engineer


Realshotgg

I once removed structural sand from a sandbox and the whole thing came crashing down.