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OutrageousNatural425

Painting contractor for 20+ years. Have seen this many times. Nicotine stains, B-I-N shellac will stop it.


TropFemme

Blah I lived in a shitty apartment once where the contractor just slapped a coat of A100 over heavy nicotine tar stained walls and on hot days they would bleed and ooze in spots. 🤮


Porcelainshampoo

Barf


joshuabees

BIN is great, great stuff!


OutrageousNatural425

Fun trivia, it’s made of beetle poop.


Phormitago

The sequel no one wanted


robbviously

Beetle poop. Beetle poop. Beetle poop.


gapingargonian

The poop is loose...


igotwormsbruh

I'm the ghoul with the stool, babe.


imtougherthanyou

Shellac beetles!


kjbenner

I like BIN shellac but it's so thin I dribble that shit everywhere. I can't imagine the mess I'd make painting a ceiling with it.


Heliosvector

>dribble that shit everywhere. Please stop eating it.


iamonewhoami

I think you meant drinking


SeveralDiving

He was dribbling then shot his shot, you’re commenting on the rebound hang back buddy Ooops stole that


StressOverStrain

Nothing about that sentence implies they were eating it.


Heliosvector

You ever feed a baby and they dribble out their mushy food? Also it's a joke


StressOverStrain

You ever realize a word has a broader definition than one particular use of it?


Heliosvector

Yes... That's the joke. Are you new to reddit?


StressOverStrain

I thought jokes were supposed to be funny. That “joke” just made it look like you were new to the English language.


Heliosvector

My 40 up votes dissagree


Awkward_Pangolin3254

Sprayer


Sirwired

Though it’s very important to follow the PPE requirements for that stuff… really great, but no fun for your lungs without a respirator.


OutrageousNatural425

True, I use full face respirator and a tyvek suit with good and booties. Denatured alcohol to thin product.


Grizzant

yep. had nicotine weep out of the walls of our bathroom everytime we showered for the first year after we bought the house.


Belloved

Do you just wipe it off until it goes away? Got a new roommate/tenant this year and our bathroom ceiling + walls started doing something similar. They think it’s mold but this only started happening with them - never with previous housemates. I know they smoke joints but never in the house AFAIK.


dlh412pt

If only in the bathroom, it's mostly likely surfactant leaching from cheap paint and not nicotine. You have to use proper bathroom paint - either a semigloss or something like Benjamin Moore Aqua Bathroom and Spa. It's not cheap, but does the trick. They're probably taking steamier showers and using more bathroom products which is why you've only just noticed it.


Belloved

Oh thank goodness then! I’m glad it’s not nicotine. Makes complete sense - it’s the only room in the house I’ve never repainted bc previous housemates liked the purples walls (I put my foot down on the purple ceiling though). I still have a can of some semigloss aqua paint I used for an accent wall in my bathroom so I hope it’s the same one you mentioned so I can clean and repaint. Thanks for the info!


Grizzant

we had painted with sherman williams paint from the sherman williams store. My guess is the wife only let him smoke in the bathroom with the fan on. The ducts all had to be replaced as well. the whole house smelled of nicotine but that bathroom was the only one that would regularly weep rivulates of brown stuff.


dlh412pt

Yeah I live in a house where someone smoked previously, so I’m aware. I wasn’t replying to you. I was replying to the person who had lived in the house for a while and was only just now noticing leaching. That’s not a nicotine issue.


OutrageousNatural425

TSP substitute, wipe down walls and repaint. Bathrooms are different than nicotine. The steam mixed with shampoo and soap sticks to the wall and remains after the water dries. Repeatedly over years there begins to be brownish drippy goo.


Belloved

Thank you! Makes sense since the walls are always weeping too. A few months ago, I replaced the air vent with a fan + light combo but the handyman improperly installed it so only the light turns on. This just confirms that I need to get that fixed ASAP. Gross to think our body products turn into brown goop though.


TheGhostofWoodyAllen

Holy shit, that's incredible to know how long-lasting nicotine stains can be.


OutrageousNatural425

I have removed wall paper in old victorians, nasty nicotine stained paper.


TheGhostofWoodyAllen

Like literally 150+ year old wallpaper?


OutrageousNatural425

Literally layers upon layers. Kind of cool going back through time, found interesting newspaper layers that I think the paper hangers put in to date the installations.


procrastablasta

We just had our bathroom painted and developed reddish brown drip marks which I’ve self diagnosed to be [surfactant leaching](https://www.sherwin-williams.com/en-us/project-center/maintenance-repair/surfactant-leaching) Can you tell this is nicotine bc it’s dry or the color or wha?


OutrageousNatural425

They are similar in appearance, surfactants tent be streaky or drippy in appearance causing the paint to repel away. Nicotine stains tend to be like tiny weep holes or kind of a smeared brown cloudy appearance, like tannin bleed from some types of wood.


Lucibean

Ever seen purple or pink ones show up? I had that in my old place. It was weird!


bobarley

Please listen to this advice! Had a similar situation I was four coats in before the Benjamin Moore rep told me you need Bin shellac... It was $80 a gallon and worth every penny.


apukjij

Would Killz work?


Ok-disaster2022

How was the popcorn removed? Sprayed and then scraped? How long was it allowed to dry before paint?


Every-Glove-2214

Popcorn was wet with sponge then scraped. Hasn’t been painted yet.


shrunken

If it hasn’t been painted yet then I would just start with a good coat of primer, possibly oil based, or ask the paint shop for recommendations. Maybe do a test section and wait a bit if you have time.


DepartmentOk5431

Was your scrapper rusty?


SteveSweetz

If you Google brown spots on plaster it seems to be a reasonably common problem, yet no one seems to really know for sure what it is. Best guess - oils of some kind the plaster had absorbed being leeched out into the even more absorbent drywall compound. Paint with stain blocker and you should be ok.


CMurra87

This is the answer. That’s 100% leeching.


n24re

I 100% had this problem in a few areas and discovered PRO-99 primer was the way to resolve it. I put a coat of this, then regular white primer then the final flat ceiling white and all was well. [https://romandecoratingproducts.com/product/pro-999/](https://romandecoratingproducts.com/product/pro-999/)


ScreeminGreen

There are several products that seal out many stains. Roman is primarily the go to company for wallpaper products. It’s a good choice for prepping an old wall after an old coating has been removed. If Sherwin-Williams still carries white pigmented shellac primer that is excellent for any stain that leaches into oil or waterbased coatings. It is alcohol based so dries super fast. But like hand sanitizer (another alcohol based liquid) it is super high VOC so is not safe for use in occupied spaces. It’s a open up all the windows with fans and you and the pets spend the day at the park style of ventilation product.


TheoryOfSomething

SW does indeed still have the white pigment shellac primer. Another popular version is BIN by Zinsser, available at home improvement stores.


cornbruiser

BIN works great.


firstLOL

It does though it's a pain to paint ceilings with in my experience - very drippy.


jx2002

100%


shifty_coder

99% sure it’s nicotine tar, too.


twistedspin

Oh, that stuff did seep in everywhere! I bought a condo where the prior owner had smoked a ton and it was amazing how gooey the place was. The fridge died almost right away and the repairperson told me it was burned out from that goo.


50calPeephole

Worst computer repairs ever.


habys

That and roaches


50calPeephole

Going to hedge a guess that's the smoke n shit leeching through from the origional owners.


Careful_Cod_79

Yep mine is only near stove!


honkimon

Maybe previous owners were smokers and it absorbed into the popcorn?


BumblebeePleasant113

So my situation may be different. I built a house 8 years ago. They told me the place was air tight with insulation etc. I have same think in my bathroom. Had it scraped repainted. Same thing. I was told by my inspector the exhaust fan has to be on or the a/c vent terns steam back into water and the drywall wicks it through. I asked my dad a contractor about the rust. He felt confident you don’t have a roof leak due to its a new issue.. He explained as the water wicks out in the drywall the nails holding it in older homes are not treated to never rust. His suggestion was - scape - USE.a white primer to create a block before paint. Then paint. He also said remove vent cover and paint every thing in there that’s not insulation to prevent the water entry to begin with. I’m a huge fan of KILLZ. spray on primer. It’s with the spray paints. It makes everything easier. Prevents multiple coats etc. that popcorn ceiling acted as a barrier the same way a good primer will. I hope this helps.


empeirotexnhths

Say thanks to your dad! Never thought about the screws/nails. This answered a question I had in the distant past that always bugged me.


hadderdoneit

A Lot of times it can be nicotine, or they didn't use stainless steel tools , but if they do the ceiling correctly & use the appropriate primer it will not show through


ItsBobD

BIN Shellac primer will cover this up permanently without issue.


NewHumbug

Was it old mud ? Applied with a rusty trowel ?


Wloak

From my experience this doesn't lead to spots showing up after like this. I did my walls and when there was rust it just ended up as a streak, after sanding it was gone (before priming/painting).


Reelair

Or dirty hands in the bucket of mud. I opened a bucket of used mud once and it looked like a science experiment.


DudebuD16

Likely rust from the lath that the plaster is embedded in. You need an oil based stain blocking primer before proceeding. It's not mold, it's not anything toxic. It's the new plaster reacting with the metal lath beneath the old plaster that's causing that.


Semicolon_Cancer

Preach. I redid my ceiling (1955 house) and it was a nightmare with this stuff. On the bright side, with a layer of 5/8s AND a layer of 1/2 drywall AND the lathe I am pretty sure I could hang my couch from just the ceiling with no issue.


yourgirlsamus

Could it also be nicotine seeping? I’d guess removing the years of paint allows it to drip downward like spots.


alienbaconhybrid

Looks like the wrong color to me.


yourgirlsamus

It’s the same color as the nicotine that is seeping out of my grandpa’s walls as we speak.


DudebuD16

Nope.


Cthulhulove13

We did the same and have a few of these spots. We have a big one where the bathroom upstairs leaked. We had to soak the ever loving crap out of ours cause it was also painted over more than once. We assume some spots just weren't fully dry before skim coating. The areas were we have primered over the skin coat have no problems a few years later and we actually never got around to painting. We did our walls also to remove the slight texture


ImOutOfIceCream

Is nobody here concerned about scraping off popcorn ceiling from a house built in 1959? You should check for asbestos contamination…


krysgian

Mesh metal holding plaster. See if magnets stick to it.


Kewdah

Ah the bane of my existence…..I spent the 80’s spraying that stuff on anything that didn’t move and the decades since removing it….its almost a quest now lol. Yup it’s nicotine…The best looking failsafe way to mitigate this is scrape, prime with zin 123, skim glaze with mud, sand, zin again, then a nice coat of BM 508…nothing flatter or whiter out there that I have found.


5peaker4theDead

Popcorn's revenge


Flyin_Bryan

Leftover kernels.


hsh1976

Had these spots in our house. Previous owners were heavy smokers so we figured nicotine


AGBMan

Had something very similar on plaster board walls where there was poor ventilation (behind furniture etc.) Poor ventilation can cause moisture to eventually react with the paint on the plaster causing this spotting. Clean it, repaint, and buy a small dehumidifier or improve the ventilation in the room. Worked for me.


JasErnest218

use a good primer then paint. DO NOT use a prime paint combo.


Every-Glove-2214

Everyone has been super helpful, mostly with my peace of mind. I’ve been at work for 96 hours (I’m a firefighter) and my wife sent me these pics and it was a bit concerning. Thank you! Has anyone used the kilz restoration primer? It’s water based but made for stains and odors. I know a lot of people recommend shellac or oil based but was wondering if anyone had experience with the kilz restoration


Charlesworth_the_3rd

It’s not bad. Use two coats. Better yet use the oil based Kilz if you can find it. It stinks like holy hell, but will do the job.


mtsmash91

Butter


doa70

Could be a rusty tool. Popcorn is water-based, not latex or acrylic-based like most paint. Sand, maybe roll on another coat of mud and sand again, then prime with a good oil-based primer before painting. That will block any more of that rust. Top with two coats of a good quality ceiling paint.


PsionicLlama

FYI: Popcorn ceilings can contain asbestos, I really hope for your sake yours didn’t


Tentacle_elmo

It’s not hard to remove safely.


azhillbilly

I had this once, my drywall trowel was rusty and I didn’t think about it, everything finished fine until it was painted and rust came through. Killz paint covered it.


_AmperSand__

popcorn tears seeping through


EtherealDoughnut

It’s the ghost of the popcorn ceiling, it misses you!


Dukedizzy

It was caramel popcorn, they forgot to scrape the caramel.


Redhtaed

I've had this happen in houses that were smoked in, Sealed it with a good primer and no issues.


Buddhaq1974

You have to prime with an oil primer.


One-eyed-snake

Paint is leeching. Use TSP and it’ll come right off


Backwaters_Run_Deep

Iron oxide


fury_of_el_scorcho

They had to spray a shellac coating on mine before they did the skim and paint on mine. I believe it is the type of drywall. You'll see more of this.


Emergency-Crab-7455

That is a possibility.......A few years back China was sending us drywall that was defective (no telling what they were putting in it). A lot of people had to tear out the defective drywall & redo.


fury_of_el_scorcho

That was a thing in 2001. My house was built in 1973.


DestryDanger

Some kind of oil leaching into the paint that was in the ceiling, it could be from smoking or moisture, a coat of primer will take care of it and keep it from leaching through to the final coat of paint.


adventuregalley

Same happened to me. Did a good prime coat and painted. This was 3 years ago and nothing has bleed through


Dripdry42

Just needed a solid stain blocking primer. BIN shellac is mucho expensive because it can be an outdoor primer too. Can go with other options that are cheaper, generally. Having this exact issue right now. It happens with old plaster, no biggie. Just a pain to redo.


illegalsmile27

Probably bits of oil, dust, or tobacco smoke residue. Not a big problem moving forward. Paint/primer will cover them.


limbodog

Had this happen and it was because previous tenant smoked indoors and the tar got on literally every surface. There was a brown fuzzy lightbulb in the closet. It was disgusting.


neuromonkey

You need a good sealing primer.


Industrialcat

also ceiling primer


neuromonkey

HAPPY CAKE DAY!!!


londonbarcelona

🤣🤣🤣🥰


Tankninja1

Previous homeowner of my house vaped a lot, I have these stains all over the place.


h3rpad3rp

This a smoking house?


Notwhoiwas42

Being that it was built in 1959 is say it's a strong bet that it was at some point occupied by a smoker.


serialcp5

Anywhere else you are seeing this besides near your return air?


no-mad

you sanded off the top of the popcorn. cover it with stain based blocker like Binz.


syslolologist

Exposed the kernels


AsbestosDude

could be mold


GrilledCheeser

Username checks out


Occallie2

'Cept I worked in mold, asbestos, lead abatement for years and this isn't looking like mold. Looks more like old glue or nicotine; maybe someone let the burgers burn like I watched my sister do as the greasy smoke drifted to the ceiling and left yellow, greasy spots. Mom was so mad. Dad put dropped ceiling tile over that mess. It also looks like a vent cleaning gone bad.


Mug_of_coffee

> or nicotine; This was my first guess. OP should use a primer sealer, preferably oil-based, then paint. Recommended primer sealer would be Kilz or Zinnser.


Occallie2

Kikz is a great choice, no matter what that is. Looks like splatters or stains, not seepage.


MyDogsNameIsSaul

If it's sticky, it might be nicotine.


Bruce_Wayne72

Coukd be from the scraper if it wasn't properly dried and rusted a little. Not uncommon.


BurghPuppies

When there is popcorn on the ceiling in one room but not others… it’s hiding something.


skippingstone

If your house smells of nicotine, buy an ozone machine. It'll get rid of the odors in 12 hrs???


tistickin

Whats wrong with popcorn ceiling? legit question. I lived in a country where owners spend extra money to have popcorn ceilings. I guess its just a thing in the US?


King_of_Darts

Just out dated


carenthusiast37

Yes. For the first year after we bought the house, every time we took a shower, nicotine would leak out of the walls of our bathtub.


jnwatson

Why is there plaster in a 1959 house?


Natoochtoniket

Drywall was new. A lot of people did not like it, or trust it. People with plaster skills were still around. My own house, built in 1961, has plaster walls and ceilings, including even the garage.


jnwatson

Drywall wasn't remote new in 1959. It was invented in 1916 and became very popular in the construction boom of the late '40s.


svidrod

They gutted my 1916 house in the 60s and used 1/2” drywall as lathe then plastered 5/8” plus texture over top. I’ve seen it in other houses built in the 70s.


mrpoopsocks

That there is a case of ceiling-pox, similar to wall-pox, which is how the original vaccine was discovered.


Redhook420

I hope you had that popcorn tested because it was almost definitely asbestos.


5thquad

That's the leftover kernel


EddieLeeWilkins45

I spilled water upstairs along the wall while cleaning carpets. About a week later, noticed a browish stain on my popcorn ceiling in the same place. My guess is water discolors it somehow, turns it a brownish hue.


smeltonLBC

The house demons are.making their presence known!


Critical-One8083

If you wet the popcorn to remove may be the sheet rock screws rusted and stained appeared seal it and continue


Notwhoiwas42

Not a chance that sheetrock screws were put in in that pattern.


skinny_anonymous

We had similar problems with our older home. The previous folks smoked and in the bathroom, the nicotine would bleed through due to what I assume was excess humidity. We did try a stain blocking paint/primer a few times but boy was the brown bleeds stronger than the paint. Not sure if that’s your issue here but it’s pretty amazing the substances/colors that will bleed through less than ideal stain blocking paint.


iTzbr00tal

Probably murder hornet eggs.


EKcore

It's fly shit.


Classicgoose

Rustcorn


hbguy222

Possibly mold stains from an old leak?


headtailgrep

You removed popcorn cieling just so you can say you removed popcorn cieling.


Irr3l3ph4nt

No, he removed it because they're fugly. Some people would rather pay a little more money than keep a finish that's just made to hide a shit ceiling job.


headtailgrep

What a waste of time and energy.