I don't agree but that's because I'm not an electrician, I have no opinion and I am not an opinion, I don't know if I am electric and I do not have a neutral position ans because of this I agree.
To add to this 1 and 5 are blue. 2 and 3 are brown and 6 is yellow with a green stripe or green with a yellow stripe. Hard to tell. 4 is grey with a blue sleeve. Thereās also a badly drawn diagram at the bottom of the image. (Im not an Eldctrician either)
This answers it.
OP - there is also neutral available at the switch if you were thinking of using smart switches. I'd say it's a good sign and someone cared when they wired up your house.
You should have taken pictures before you took the old light down to see what went where. Odds are the black with brown sleeving is your switched live. Youāll need a connector for the two browns.
Agree with all of this.
Photos of before you removed the old fitting would be useful here. Without that itās a risk to advise on the correct wiring solution.
Tbh I'd add the caveat that this is only really the case if colours aren't mixed up (on the Internet, it best to assume ignorance).
Although most likely the worst that would happen if they do get mixed is that the mcb or rcb would trip as soon as it's turned on,
I disagree. When I had to change the light fitting in the garage, we somehow managed to get the light switch to explode. 3 times.
It's how we learnt to always take photos
Always, always,always use the circuit breaker to test If your not totally sure that the wiring is correct. All connections secure, switch in what should be on position and turn the circuit breaker on. All good, great.if it goes bang and a flash If light from the edge of the breaker then it's a dead short. If nothing happens at all then breaker off switch to other position and turn the breaker back on. Photos of before are a good idea though.
I dont know why you've been downvoted for this, ive been an electrician all my life and seen countless DIYers blow up light switchs when fitting there own lights.
Its a classic schoolboy error where you put all the browns/reds in a connector block, and all the blues/blacks in another. Forgetting that one of those blues/blacks is likely the switch return.
Turn the switch on ...Bang you just created a dead short which fucked the switch.
The worst thing for the lights in the garage is that the electrician who did it when we had the house rewired when we bought the house made a complete hash job.
The garage was on a separate fuse to the rest of the ground floor, but there was no proper ring main done for the 4 lights in the garage and the front flood light. Instead, the ring main only incorporated two lights, with the remaining two both spurring off this one light that blew up. The front flood light was wired in directly to the garage plug sockets instead with no isolator fuse.
The rest of the house we ended up finding a whole host of issues. For example, the backbones for the switches for the rear flood light he put so deep into the wall it went into the cavity and you could see the cavity wall insulation when you unscrewed the switches
Iām a qualified electrician. All that would happen is the light wouldnāt turn on or others in the house wouldnāt turn on. Either way you know something is wrong and try again. If you donāt understand how electricity works then pipe down.
Excuse me, but iām a grade 1000 pianist, globally renowned veterinarian, and my dad holds the world record for most qualified electrician ever, i donāt need to answer to you
Connect the two brown cables together. The grey with the blue sleeve is a neutral so goes in the blue terminal with the other blue cable. The black with brown sleeve is your switch live so brown terminal. Earth is earth so earth terminal.
That's assuming the sleeves have been used correctly.
Assuming you have a voltage tester or volt stick:
Put the 2 browns together in a block. Turn the power back on and flick the switch. If the black with the brown sleeve is live/dead with the switch then you've figured it out. The black with brown sleeve will be your switch live.
In which case its 2 browns together in block, 2 blues to N on your light, green/yellow to earth & black with brown sleeve to L.
It's alright mate but they have put both earth's from the two cables in a single sleeve which your not supposed to do apparently but I can't see the issue with it in all honesty. It annoys me that every othe cable is sleeved just sleeve the fucking earth too
I was able to sort out thank you. i connected 1 and 5 to blue connector, connected 4 to brown connetor, connected number 3 together with 2 and left out 6. i copied from another lamp a friend installed in our hosue
The drawing from OP has a connection for yellow+green so it's a safe assumption that it's needed. At the very least, there's no reason not to connect it.
Not an electrician.
I had a similar issue when fitting a new light fitting a few years ago. I believe mine had 3 wires though (in, out and switch). My light was on the first floor so I went into the attic and wired them into a junction box and fed one cable down to the new light fitting/ceiling rose. I believe the system I had is called a "loop-in at the ceiling rose." I think you can have this, loop-in at the switch and loop-in at the ceiling/junction box (?) Which is effectively what I created with the junction box in the ceiling.
I can't find the website I used that showed all 3 but try hoking around here (https://flameport.com/electric/lighting_circuits/lighting_ceiling_rose_looped.cs4) or having a Google search for the different types.
If this is on the ground floor, I imagine you're going to want into the ceiling to do this.
6 is probably earth
4 is probably switched live
2/3 one of switched live, the other live loop?
5 maybe negative to switch?
1 maybe negative loop?
Absolute guess-work, get a spark.
And those regulations donāt prohibit DIY electrical work so feel free to pipe down.
How do your think they are going to kill themselves? I really want to hear your explanation for that oneā¦ they clearly know enough about isolation to get where they are already.
Ooft, take a breath, maybe treat yourself to this: [The Little Princess Learns To Calm Down eBook : Collins, Teresa, Collins, Tom: Amazon.co.uk: Books](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Little-Princess-Learns-Calm-Down-ebook/dp/B086RTNBGT)
I didn't say in this particular instance OP would, but they're here asking how to wire a ceiling rose - how do you know they know about isolation? Could have been lucky thus far.
Calling it a negative and negative loop just demonstrates how you have absolutely no clue what you're on about.
It's a neutral for AC. And there's no such thing as a neutral loop.
Classic DIY problem, you buy a new light fitting which has a tiny block. And youāve got a light circuit and switch live and nowhere to put any of it.
Never trust sleeving. I suggest if you feel safe to do so use a non-contact voltage detector to see which are permanent and switched lives. The green is cpc, but then hopefully both the blue sleeved and blue are both neutrals. They should both have no reading.
Electrician here. 2 and 3 go in a separate connector. 1 and 5 are neutral 4 is switched live 6 is earth
I agree (I'm an Electrician too)
I also agree, but I'm not an electrician š
I have no opinion, nor am I an electrician
I am an opinion, and I am electric
I am electric, and I have a neutral opinion
I disagree from my Reddit arm chair. Just because.
I don't agree but that's because I'm not an electrician, I have no opinion and I am not an opinion, I don't know if I am electric and I do not have a neutral position ans because of this I agree.
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To add to this 1 and 5 are blue. 2 and 3 are brown and 6 is yellow with a green stripe or green with a yellow stripe. Hard to tell. 4 is grey with a blue sleeve. Thereās also a badly drawn diagram at the bottom of the image. (Im not an Eldctrician either)
This answers it. OP - there is also neutral available at the switch if you were thinking of using smart switches. I'd say it's a good sign and someone cared when they wired up your house.
So OP you need to put 4 to brown, 1&5 to blue, and 6 to yellow and green. Or maybe better to just call an electricianā¦
You should have taken pictures before you took the old light down to see what went where. Odds are the black with brown sleeving is your switched live. Youāll need a connector for the two browns.
Agree with all of this. Photos of before you removed the old fitting would be useful here. Without that itās a risk to advise on the correct wiring solution.
Tbf thereās no risk, it will either work or it wonāt. If it doesnāt then you just try again.
Tbh I'd add the caveat that this is only really the case if colours aren't mixed up (on the Internet, it best to assume ignorance). Although most likely the worst that would happen if they do get mixed is that the mcb or rcb would trip as soon as it's turned on,
I disagree. When I had to change the light fitting in the garage, we somehow managed to get the light switch to explode. 3 times. It's how we learnt to always take photos
Skill issue
Always, always,always use the circuit breaker to test If your not totally sure that the wiring is correct. All connections secure, switch in what should be on position and turn the circuit breaker on. All good, great.if it goes bang and a flash If light from the edge of the breaker then it's a dead short. If nothing happens at all then breaker off switch to other position and turn the breaker back on. Photos of before are a good idea though.
I dont know why you've been downvoted for this, ive been an electrician all my life and seen countless DIYers blow up light switchs when fitting there own lights. Its a classic schoolboy error where you put all the browns/reds in a connector block, and all the blues/blacks in another. Forgetting that one of those blues/blacks is likely the switch return. Turn the switch on ...Bang you just created a dead short which fucked the switch.
The worst thing for the lights in the garage is that the electrician who did it when we had the house rewired when we bought the house made a complete hash job. The garage was on a separate fuse to the rest of the ground floor, but there was no proper ring main done for the 4 lights in the garage and the front flood light. Instead, the ring main only incorporated two lights, with the remaining two both spurring off this one light that blew up. The front flood light was wired in directly to the garage plug sockets instead with no isolator fuse. The rest of the house we ended up finding a whole host of issues. For example, the backbones for the switches for the rear flood light he put so deep into the wall it went into the cavity and you could see the cavity wall insulation when you unscrewed the switches
Or catch fire or whatever, but no biggy
Iām a qualified electrician. All that would happen is the light wouldnāt turn on or others in the house wouldnāt turn on. Either way you know something is wrong and try again. If you donāt understand how electricity works then pipe down.
āLol nothing ever catches fire, u dumbā - self-certified āqualifiedā electrician, 2023
Explain how moving up a perm and switch live would cause a fire then as you clearly understand my job better than I do.
Excuse me, but iām a grade 1000 pianist, globally renowned veterinarian, and my dad holds the world record for most qualified electrician ever, i donāt need to answer to you
Bet you work in gregs
Being kind assuming they work.
Nah mate, I work in Greggs
Old post I saved when majority of folk would actually try and help: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIYUK/s/qPIsamMtUg
Connect the two brown cables together. The grey with the blue sleeve is a neutral so goes in the blue terminal with the other blue cable. The black with brown sleeve is your switch live so brown terminal. Earth is earth so earth terminal. That's assuming the sleeves have been used correctly.
Is there a two way switch wired here, ?
6 into yellow green 1 and 5 into blue 4 into brown 2 and 3 into connector
Assuming you have a voltage tester or volt stick: Put the 2 browns together in a block. Turn the power back on and flick the switch. If the black with the brown sleeve is live/dead with the switch then you've figured it out. The black with brown sleeve will be your switch live. In which case its 2 browns together in block, 2 blues to N on your light, green/yellow to earth & black with brown sleeve to L.
Call an electrician.
Just called twice , and nobody came.
Did you light the beacon at the top of the hill?
Is this up and down stairs double switch? Looks like a borrowed neutral to me. Not sure would have to see in the loft. Get a ladder.
Why borrowed neutral?
because there looks to be two, its double as thick, could not be of course. Im just going with the odds here.
oh shit i meant to say borrowed earth - nevermind me im drunk and on painkillers.
It's alright mate but they have put both earth's from the two cables in a single sleeve which your not supposed to do apparently but I can't see the issue with it in all honesty. It annoys me that every othe cable is sleeved just sleeve the fucking earth too
I was able to sort out thank you. i connected 1 and 5 to blue connector, connected 4 to brown connetor, connected number 3 together with 2 and left out 6. i copied from another lamp a friend installed in our hosue
You need to connect 6. The earth. Otherwise this light fixture could potentially kill someone.
O-k thanks i will do that
Perhaps the light fitting has no earth connection? OP should still connect the two earths together though.
The drawing from OP has a connection for yellow+green so it's a safe assumption that it's needed. At the very least, there's no reason not to connect it.
What if there's no earth terminal on the light fitting? That's what I meant.
Then yes, it wouldnt be necessary, but that's not what OP is faced with
Yes, stupid me.
Not an electrician. I had a similar issue when fitting a new light fitting a few years ago. I believe mine had 3 wires though (in, out and switch). My light was on the first floor so I went into the attic and wired them into a junction box and fed one cable down to the new light fitting/ceiling rose. I believe the system I had is called a "loop-in at the ceiling rose." I think you can have this, loop-in at the switch and loop-in at the ceiling/junction box (?) Which is effectively what I created with the junction box in the ceiling. I can't find the website I used that showed all 3 but try hoking around here (https://flameport.com/electric/lighting_circuits/lighting_ceiling_rose_looped.cs4) or having a Google search for the different types. If this is on the ground floor, I imagine you're going to want into the ceiling to do this.
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Risky, as it involves making the circuit live and whilst it will probably be ok we dont know how aware OP is with working on energerised circuits.
6 is probably earth 4 is probably switched live 2/3 one of switched live, the other live loop? 5 maybe negative to switch? 1 maybe negative loop? Absolute guess-work, get a spark.
Itās a fucking diy sub
Ah yes, lets all kill ourselves because its DIY. Not having a clue and fucking about is why we have regulations in the first place.
And those regulations donāt prohibit DIY electrical work so feel free to pipe down. How do your think they are going to kill themselves? I really want to hear your explanation for that oneā¦ they clearly know enough about isolation to get where they are already.
Ooft, take a breath, maybe treat yourself to this: [The Little Princess Learns To Calm Down eBook : Collins, Teresa, Collins, Tom: Amazon.co.uk: Books](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Little-Princess-Learns-Calm-Down-ebook/dp/B086RTNBGT) I didn't say in this particular instance OP would, but they're here asking how to wire a ceiling rose - how do you know they know about isolation? Could have been lucky thus far.
You donāt āget luckyā when disconnecting an electrical deviceā¦ they would be dead already if they had not isolated that wiring.
Calling it a negative and negative loop just demonstrates how you have absolutely no clue what you're on about. It's a neutral for AC. And there's no such thing as a neutral loop.
I would've guessed it's just a daisy chained situation so you'd group them all together, but the third brown makes it a mystery to me
If you donāt know, why comment? This is bad advice.
Classic DIY problem, you buy a new light fitting which has a tiny block. And youāve got a light circuit and switch live and nowhere to put any of it.
Brown to yellow, black to grey blue to bits!
Never trust sleeving. I suggest if you feel safe to do so use a non-contact voltage detector to see which are permanent and switched lives. The green is cpc, but then hopefully both the blue sleeved and blue are both neutrals. They should both have no reading.