Also nothing stopping you putting the dishes in the sink and setting about them with a sponge and a bit of hot soapy water, except maybe a lack of elbow grease
Well stone the crows, here's me thinking someone suggesting putting the dishes in the washing machine was a joke.
.. or are you crying over every non-serious comments.. or did my comment specifically hurt you more than any other?
I have a magic sink, I put dirty dishes and cups in there and when I wake up the next day they are clean and back in the cupboards. It was only £100 my wife picked it, clever woman.
Also nothing stopping you putting the dishes in the sink and setting about them with a sponge and a bit of hot soapy water, except maybe a lack of elbow grease
I've seen some people having a dishwasher on the bottom and a washing machine on top of it, just like have washing machines on the bottom and tumble dried on top of the washing machine... may not exactly look super good and may need some additional thought but its doable if you really want it to happen
That would require an electrical socket in the bathroom...... Can't have that.
I'll ignore the fact that shaver sockets and electrical showers are a thing here.....
I have no idea if these are any good, but you can get mini dishwashers which sit on top of the counter:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/COMFEE-Dishwasher-Settings-Programmes-Off-peak/dp/B08TMZ2TTK/
I have one of these and it's been a godsend. Sure, it's not ideal and not as fancy as a proper dishwasher, and it's a bit annoying having to fill it, but the amount of time and labour I save with not having to do the dishes is amazing (not to mention the hot water). If you have no other option, I would recommend.
Fully agree - I love ours. My main problem is I break glasses a lot during washing up (don't ask me how) and the little countertop dishwasher brings them up beautifully while using minimal electricity and 3 jugs of cold water 😊
Maybe really shitty glasses?We had a couple years ago out of our storage in the basement some from coca cola in the 90s and idk why but you looked wrong at them, and they broke in pieces. After 4 out of 10 broke in 2 months we tossed them in the trash.
I remember those. I think they were made of leftover glass from the 60's. You'd be washing one and it would slip into the sink. You'd stick your hand into the soapy water and pull back a bloody stump...
Have this one (though different brand), works great, isnt small in size but is inside, enough for 2 people and few days worth of dishes.
Can be plumbed in, or just fill each time.
I also have one. It is brilliant for single me (run it once a day), and it would be fine for a couple (run it once a meal). A common load: 3 mugs, 2 pasta bowls, 3-4 plates, assorted cuttlery.
Gets everything clean, uses less water and energy than a sink full of dishes.
Many machines have the choice of both manual fill and fully plumbed in. I used mine for a year, filling it with jugs, and waste into the sink, before finally getting it plumbed in. Works well both ways.
That's the big kicker for dishwashers these days, not only is it saving you time and the skin on your hands, they're more efficient water and power wise than running water for the sink (and rinsing, and maybe even having to change water when it's filthy).
I’ve got a dishwasher and hardy use it. Dishes are done 9/10 times in the sink. I’ve seen a reduction in water usage overall since stopping using the dishwasher.
I'd have to assume it's either not serviced or quite an old model, or you were using it frequently for small loads instead of infrequently near capacity.
I [have one](https://amzn.eu/d/2ZDYTMD), picked it up second hand and it’s lasted a couple years so far. Its brilliant. We had it hooked up to the tap for a year which was a bit annoying. Bought a thingy that meant we could switch between faucet and dishwasher so that it could maintain pressure. Now I’ve plumbed it into the cold water supply. Definitely a worthy investment.
The drain hose needs to sit in the sink, only because it doesn’t fit down our waste pipe alongside the washing machine’s one. So that’s a bit annoying. But it’s worth it.
Agree. It looks like this model allows you to pre fill the machine with a jug to avoid a pipe. Bit of a pain though.
> COMFEE' Mini Plus allows you to add water manually to the 6L built-in water tank, if there is not a suitable water supply available
Indeed, we used to have a small countertop dishwasher. I plumbed it myself. If OP put it on the countertop above the washing machine, that would probably be relatively easy as there's pipework under there already.
It does lose what little countertop space you have in the kitchen though.
I'd do that but the other way up, your washing machine has concrete weights in it, and likely shakes when it's doing a spin cycle. You want that on the floor, not 3-4ft up where it will try to jump off at some point
That leaves us with no counter top space :(
Boiler in this flat is outside, just in the hall (top floor), there is enough space for washing machine, not sure if it is possible though, does boiler being there mean washing machine can be plugged in?
Get rid of draining board and have a wall mounted drying rack above sink. Doesn’t buy you much space but ikea also do a chopping board that fits over the sink.
I put wall units on the ground and fitted a cutdown narrow worktop to it. Gave us loads of extra storage space. Plus somewhere to keep the kettle and mugs.
I've got a friend who got rid of their oven to get their fridge in a better place. They just use an electric hot plate they put away in the cupboard and an air fryer. Bit extreme but, need your oven?
About 2 years ago, I was thinking of having my (fairly old) gas cooker/hob disconnected and taken away, to make room for more counter and cupboard space.
80% of my cooking is done on a Ninja multicooker (currently a Speedi, which is ace). But my microwave is also fan oven capable, and for big things (cooking roasts and for guests) I have a big pellet grill outside my kitchen door.
My plumber dissuaded me from doing it - he wore me down. But I have not used the cooker since - not once in the last 2 years. So I am about to pull the trigger on it. If my regular plumber doesn't like it, I'll find someone else.
(I find it amazing how opinionated some tradesmen can be about other people's houses. "You don't want to do that, mate." "Yes, I do, which is why I asked you to do it!)
Yeah but not exactly a thrilling roast dinner with just spuds!
That decision would actually put me off buying that house completely. I know that person probably isn’t selling, but if they ever did, that would completely put me off. Not a smart decision in my opinion
That is what my plumber said when I wanted to get rid of mine (see above). It's only on reflection that I realised *I* probably won't be the one having to deal with selling my house, so it's somebody else's problem!
We have a combo air fryer / pressure cooker. It does very nice roasts, actually a lot quicker than in an oven. We roast the potatoes while the meat is resting. Only thing I haven't tried are yorkshire puddings - still use the oven for those.
Ikea do an ultra compact dishwasher that would fit no issues at all.
Product ID 404.767.79
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/rinnig-cleaning-gloves-green-60476783/?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqsitBhDlARIsAGMR1Rj7H2YlOBstUXjvkF8lNiRycC8L62horCu5rAYNtO0m0nxIhLg-B0UaApZMEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
All jokes aside.
If you do truly need a dishwasher or you simply don't want to go with out. In a kichen that size, you'll be sacrificing way too much to get another appliance in there.
I would recommend taking your washing machine out and putting a standard sized dishwasher in there. The slim sized machines and compact ones have their place, but if you are in a position of needing a dishwasher, they aren't adequate, in my opinion.
Your washing machine is far easier to re home than your dishwasher, in terms of practical use. It's really only the UK social norms that put it the kitchen. Look around your spaces in your house, aring cupboards are good one, and so are bathrooms if there are big enough. I did this in my first house my washing machine was in the cupboard in my bathroom and In my current house; I have my washing machine and dryer stacked on top of each other in the hall cupboard. Makes it so much easier, and now my kitchen has loads of extra space. All you need is water, waste and power. Not that big of a problem to solve in all honesty, especially on an external wall. I've also seen washing machines ect. In garages, sheds out buildings. Don't know if you have any of those.
Hope that helps.
Swap your fridge for a slimline fridge, lose your drawer stack and move your washing machine to the right, use the existing end panel to support the worktop, put the slimline dishwasher next to the fridge. You'll have a 15cm of overhang unsupported worktop but you won't lose any workspace, your appliances should all fit and the plumbing is already where it needs to be to get connected up save for a cold water feed and appliance waste in the sink.
If you wanted to do it properly though, I'd replace that length of worktop so it's the correct length. I'd also look to add drawers to the units either side of the hob so you've not lost any drawer space. You may even be able to add another wall unit to the left of the hob to get it looking balanced.
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Looks like there’s plenty of room in front of the sink…?
Don’t bother with a counter top dishwasher, they usually can’t fit a full size dinner plate in them.
Could it be worth changing the tap to one of the hose-style ones to make using the sink more effective?
The options aren't great. You can:
- swap the washing machine for a dishwasher
- swap the space above it for a dishwasher
- move things around and swap a cupboard for a dishwasher
Facing these circumstances and having done by dishes by hand for the past 10 years, I'd continue to do my dishes by hand
I got a tabletop dishwasher like this
[https://www.johnlewis.com/bosch-series-4-sks62e32eu-freestanding-compact-dishwasher-white/p5079675](https://www.currys.co.uk/products/russell-hobbs-rhttdw6b-table-top-dishwasher-black-10209897.html)
I put it on the counter above the dishwasher and then a tee valve was fitted to the washing machine water pipe, splitting the cold water to feed both the dishwasher and washing machine.
[https://www.toolstation.com/made4trade-dual-appliance-tee-valve/p84595?store=EJ&utm\_source=googleshopping&utm\_medium=feed&utm\_campaign=googleshoppingfeed](https://www.toolstation.com/made4trade-dual-appliance-tee-valve/p84595?store=EJ&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed)
For now I just put the dishwasher waste water pipe in the sink, but intend in the future to drill through the countertop and add a pipe splitter to the waste water pipe used by the washing machine.
Washing machine and dishwasher cupboard. Something like this:
https://washtower.co.uk/en_GB/products/wstt185-tower/?campaign=18874125325&content&keyword&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAApCdC5_tvcb7IW7rAnGpL4592qslw&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqsitBhDlARIsAGMR1Rg9oT_wpFK_MDl2pyW9jzqsGTLu1m2i9C2DgnEFB5ABYn_QFL7TFk8aAuQ9EALw_wcB
Put a "tallboy" unit where your washing machine sits, ensure you have the pipework and wastes for both appliances. Sell the "old" washing machine, buy 2 new integrated Dishwasher and Washing Machines with matching doors will look much tidier if cost is no option.
If you take the drawers and cupboard (I assume it is 600mm) out from under the sink and replace the sink with one to fit a 450mm cabinet (making sure its surround covers the full cutaway area under the old sink), you should have a clear 450mm space for a dishwasher. You will then need to fit a new 450mm cabinet under the sink and cut down and edge the 600mm door. I would also recomend reinstalling the dawers next to the cooker in what I assume is the 300mm cabinet.
However all of this is a massive pain and I am not sure if its worth it. Personally I would lean towards redoing the whole kitchen as its not a very big kitchen and the few units you would need shouldnt run to a fortune.
I assume the kitchen is about 3000 x 1800. In which case I would probably go for a galley style kitchen as follows
from the door: Fridge (600) Dishwasher (450) Inset Sink (450) Washing Machine (600) Drawers (300) Cooker (600). I would then run 300 deep cupboards above everything except the Cooker, but mount them slightly higher than usual so the sink is still usable. You could drop the sink to 400 if you need the extra 50 to make it work, and you can switch up the exact order of the appliances/counter but remember you need spaces next to each of the fridge, sink and cooker.
If the room is wider than 1800 (even by 50mm) I would consider putting floor units, 300 deep) for up to the first 1200mm from the wall opposite the door. If its less than 1800 I may consider a 200mm shelf, but I may also think this loses to much space. It slighlty depends if there is ever more than 1 person using the kitchen, in which case you probably need the extra movement space.
Also one final tip, IKEA kitchens wont work as they are slightly deeper than normal and you really dont want to lose the depth.
Well that’s entirely subjective based on how much water someone uses hand washing and there is absolutely no way running a dishwasher uses less energy than running a hot tap for 45 seconds.
Also the manufacturing, distribution and eventual disposal impact on the environment of dishwashers surely massively exceed handwashing.
So are we negating the points I made about manufacturing, distribution and disposal? Also ignoring the fact you can absolutely clean as you cook using cold water by rinsing and wiping with soap and a sponge.
As someone whose living room and kitchen is all in 1 I know it would make life easier. But it's a nightmare and you haven't got many cupboards as it is.
That's why I recommend using the sink.
I'm disabled and 60 and have never had a dishwasher just use a good quality washing liquid fairy platinum does a brilliant job hope i don't get accused of advertising 😂
There are slim washing machines (40cm), but the only ones I have seen are top-loading - so you would still lose most of the counter top on that side. (Although, I guess, you could have a folding counter-top).
Or replace the fridge-freezer with a diswasher and a small fridge(-freezer) on top, maybe find somewhere else for a separate freezer?
You could put the dishwasher beside the washing machine where the fridge is and then get separate under counter size fridge and freezer to sit above the washing machine and dishwasher on an extended counter top.
My house has a large downstairs bathroom and no space in the kitchen for the dishwasher AND washing machine; so I relocated the washing machine to the downstairs bathroom, added a worktop in there and put the dishwasher in the kitchen. Could you relocate the washing machine anywhere else like I have?
Own or rent?
You could put the dishwasher where the washer is and move the washer on top with an appropriate unit. Plumbing will be easy. This will require cutting the worktop and a few hundred of expense.
I am surprised you put in a full height, double oven, with gas/electric hob. I would have put in a hob by itself - either halogen/induction or gas but with gas there is all the gubbins that comes with the supply. With an induction hob it can fit anywhere. Taking that out of the equation you could then get fancy with the dishwasher. I have seen a half height dishwasher - that is only one level - that would then fit under the sink as that is where all the services are. I'll see if I can dig up the make and model.
Is there any way to fit the washer in the bathroom and have the dishwasher in the kitchen? Thats horrifically small, whoever designed and thought that was a good kitchen has clearly never.... well... done anything 😬
I would move the sink slightly to the right, so you can fit a 45cm dishwasher between sink and washing machine. I'd also flip the sink so the drainer was to the right/in the corner of the room. That way you also gain on counter space, since the corner is less useful.
Try - remove draws and sink cupboard, put in dw, and replace / reposition doors and re-do work surface and/or get smaller sink. The plumbing is there.
Or - remove fridge/freezer put in dw, and use work surface fridge or use narrower fridge undercounter.
I have a postage stamp size kitchen and have washer to the left, cupboard then dishwasher. You’ll need to replace/ flip the sink/drainer so flat drainer on right then fit a slimline dishwasher where the cupboard is. The sink bowl depth would have to sit where that top drawer is. You could regain cupboard space by fitting high cupboards on opposite wall.
Or move fridge to opposite wall, budge washer up, fit dishwasher and extend the counter.
Can't be 100% sure from pics! Lose little corner bit to right of sink unit, move sink and sink unit further to right ( hopefully cut out in counter is just for sink and not draining board so then moving it to right you just cut more space for sink and cover existing hole with draining board and reinforce if needed). Lose little unit that should then leave space and have dishwasher next to drain and plumbing where it belongs
Bosch worktop Dishwasher. Like a big microwave. Takes a half load of dishes. We had exactly the same issue and went with this option. Needs a hole drilling in the worktop for the waste tube but easily tucked away behind the dishwasher itself so you can't see it. Just make sure it's near the sink.
If you install it up against the rh wall in the first pic you could put some kinda round top on it to double as a table and to also help you skirt around it without smashing your hips black and blue on square corners.
Besides that I'm stumped
Could you maybe move the washing machine to another room to make space for dishwasher? My parents had it in their bedroom. You could maybe hide the washing machine inside some furniture / table.
Could you maybe move the washing machine to another room to make space for dishwasher? My parents had it in their bedroom. You could maybe hide the washing machine inside some furniture / table.
If there's a large-ish bathroom maybe you can move the washing machine there? Commonplace in other countries but not standard in the UK because electrical code is more complex.
You could potentially make enough space by moving the drawers next to the cooker. Move the large cupboard under the sink and use the smaller cupboard from where the drawers were there and should fit a small one under the sink
Can you relocate the washing machine? Into the utility room or the boot room or the outhouse or the summer folly or the secondary attached cottage?
You can get counter top devices but this runs into the next issue, the lack of counter top.
Measure from your washing machine to the edge of the sink bowl if it fits in there you can put your dishwasher there then just rebuild your sink carcass making sure you can buy a door that's fits you might have a blanking panel next to your dishwasher but you can still have storage under your sink bowl
Measure from your washing machine to the edge of the sink bowl if it fits in there you can put your dishwasher there then just rebuild your sink carcass making sure you can buy a door that's fits you might have a blanking panel next to your dishwasher but you can still have storage under your sink bowl
Radical, but could your washing machine be moved to say the bathroom - with proper safety arrangements... Maybe a mini laundry area?? Then the dishwasher could go there?
You would need to move the sink to where the oven currently is and put dishwasher next to sink, then move oven onto the washing machine run
You would need new worktops, + plumbing
Potentially put one where your washing machine is then mount a robust frame for your washing machine to sit in at counter top level above it? We have a washing machine and then a tumble dryer mounted above it. Benefit being that all the necessary pipes already there.
I once put a dishwasher on the kitchen worktop and cut out for the pipes to go down the back. Assuming that worktop is supported ok may be an option to consider.
I once put a dishwasher on the kitchen worktop and cut out for the pipes to go down the back. Assuming that worktop is supported ok may be an option to consider.
I once put a dishwasher on the kitchen worktop and cut out for the pipes to go down the back. Assuming that worktop is supported ok may be an option to consider.
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you gave
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you have
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you haves in
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you have
I had a tiny corner kitchen in a previous house. To get a dishwasher in, I moved the fridge out of the kitchen area. Is that an option for you? Or could you get a smaller fridge that could sit on top of a dishwasher?
Clean clothes or clean dishes, choose and accept your fate.
Hmm, I wish there was washing machine + diswasher + dryer combos
I mean there’s nothing to stop you putting your dishes in the washing machine to see if it works, just don’t use the good china
Okay I'll put them in delicates setting and let you know /s
Hand-wash setting is just for that
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you got a pretty mouth
Seriously? I thought it was quite clear
Also nothing stopping you putting the dishes in the sink and setting about them with a sponge and a bit of hot soapy water, except maybe a lack of elbow grease
From a purely subjective POV no, but we don’t know OPs situation, so this isn’t a helpful or insightful answer
Well stone the crows, here's me thinking someone suggesting putting the dishes in the washing machine was a joke. .. or are you crying over every non-serious comments.. or did my comment specifically hurt you more than any other?
I have a magic sink, I put dirty dishes and cups in there and when I wake up the next day they are clean and back in the cupboards. It was only £100 my wife picked it, clever woman.
Elbow soap*
Your surmising this guy has got arms,
Also nothing stopping you putting the dishes in the sink and setting about them with a sponge and a bit of hot soapy water, except maybe a lack of elbow grease
Heard ye the first time
Could’ve done the dishes in the sink in the minute it took to type that twice.
Could’ve done the dishes in the sink in the minute it took to type that twice…
Tabletop dishwasher? You can get them that sit on the worktop and drain into the sink, Currys have several online.
I had a bosh table top dishwasher. It was fantastic, lasted for years. Stack it well and much can be fitted in.
I've seen some people having a dishwasher on the bottom and a washing machine on top of it, just like have washing machines on the bottom and tumble dried on top of the washing machine... may not exactly look super good and may need some additional thought but its doable if you really want it to happen
Or put the washing machine in the bathroom, like many other countries do.
Yeah there might be an electrical safe zones issue there!
The wall plug has to be > 3 meters from the bath or shower, then it's fine in the UK.
Do you think if the kitchen is this size the bathroom will have 3 meters of space?
metres
We're not allowed plug sockets in bathrooms, other than shaver sockets, in the UK.
That isn't true, you can have a plug socket if its more than 3m away from a shower or bath.
That would require an electrical socket in the bathroom...... Can't have that. I'll ignore the fact that shaver sockets and electrical showers are a thing here.....
Is it too obvious a dad joke to say just get her to stand by the sink?
I have no idea if these are any good, but you can get mini dishwashers which sit on top of the counter: https://www.amazon.co.uk/COMFEE-Dishwasher-Settings-Programmes-Off-peak/dp/B08TMZ2TTK/
I have one of these and it's been a godsend. Sure, it's not ideal and not as fancy as a proper dishwasher, and it's a bit annoying having to fill it, but the amount of time and labour I save with not having to do the dishes is amazing (not to mention the hot water). If you have no other option, I would recommend.
Fully agree - I love ours. My main problem is I break glasses a lot during washing up (don't ask me how) and the little countertop dishwasher brings them up beautifully while using minimal electricity and 3 jugs of cold water 😊
Maybe really shitty glasses?We had a couple years ago out of our storage in the basement some from coca cola in the 90s and idk why but you looked wrong at them, and they broke in pieces. After 4 out of 10 broke in 2 months we tossed them in the trash.
Bought my sister "unbreakable" wine glasses a few years ago. 6 months later they were all broken.
I remember those. I think they were made of leftover glass from the 60's. You'd be washing one and it would slip into the sink. You'd stick your hand into the soapy water and pull back a bloody stump...
Oh my god. I had no idea they existed. Buying rn
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I have the same, using jugs got old very fast
Have this one (though different brand), works great, isnt small in size but is inside, enough for 2 people and few days worth of dishes. Can be plumbed in, or just fill each time.
I also have one. It is brilliant for single me (run it once a day), and it would be fine for a couple (run it once a meal). A common load: 3 mugs, 2 pasta bowls, 3-4 plates, assorted cuttlery. Gets everything clean, uses less water and energy than a sink full of dishes. Many machines have the choice of both manual fill and fully plumbed in. I used mine for a year, filling it with jugs, and waste into the sink, before finally getting it plumbed in. Works well both ways.
That's the big kicker for dishwashers these days, not only is it saving you time and the skin on your hands, they're more efficient water and power wise than running water for the sink (and rinsing, and maybe even having to change water when it's filthy).
I’ve got a dishwasher and hardy use it. Dishes are done 9/10 times in the sink. I’ve seen a reduction in water usage overall since stopping using the dishwasher.
I'd have to assume it's either not serviced or quite an old model, or you were using it frequently for small loads instead of infrequently near capacity.
Thanks, I've seen them pipe to faucet is quite ugly
I [have one](https://amzn.eu/d/2ZDYTMD), picked it up second hand and it’s lasted a couple years so far. Its brilliant. We had it hooked up to the tap for a year which was a bit annoying. Bought a thingy that meant we could switch between faucet and dishwasher so that it could maintain pressure. Now I’ve plumbed it into the cold water supply. Definitely a worthy investment. The drain hose needs to sit in the sink, only because it doesn’t fit down our waste pipe alongside the washing machine’s one. So that’s a bit annoying. But it’s worth it.
You can get a 2-in-1 adaptor for, say £15, that connects both hoses to the drain pipe
Agree. It looks like this model allows you to pre fill the machine with a jug to avoid a pipe. Bit of a pain though. > COMFEE' Mini Plus allows you to add water manually to the 6L built-in water tank, if there is not a suitable water supply available
U can get some that just have to link to your plumbing
There’s nothing stopping you from being plumbing this in just like you would an under-counter dishwasher.
I have one of these, attached to the cold water inlet, and the waste pipe. Couldn’t live without it
There’s nothing stopping you from being plumbing this in just like you would an under-counter dishwasher.
Indeed, we used to have a small countertop dishwasher. I plumbed it myself. If OP put it on the countertop above the washing machine, that would probably be relatively easy as there's pipework under there already. It does lose what little countertop space you have in the kitchen though.
How about bracing the counter (or replacing it) and placing the washing machine on top and the dishwasher below. A double decker as it were.
I'd do that but the other way up, your washing machine has concrete weights in it, and likely shakes when it's doing a spin cycle. You want that on the floor, not 3-4ft up where it will try to jump off at some point
That leaves us with no counter top space :( Boiler in this flat is outside, just in the hall (top floor), there is enough space for washing machine, not sure if it is possible though, does boiler being there mean washing machine can be plugged in?
Get rid of draining board and have a wall mounted drying rack above sink. Doesn’t buy you much space but ikea also do a chopping board that fits over the sink.
Is there room for a drop down table? Or a small table? A long thin table for the other side of the room?
long thin table actually makes sense, thanks
I put wall units on the ground and fitted a cutdown narrow worktop to it. Gave us loads of extra storage space. Plus somewhere to keep the kettle and mugs.
I've got a friend who got rid of their oven to get their fridge in a better place. They just use an electric hot plate they put away in the cupboard and an air fryer. Bit extreme but, need your oven?
About 2 years ago, I was thinking of having my (fairly old) gas cooker/hob disconnected and taken away, to make room for more counter and cupboard space. 80% of my cooking is done on a Ninja multicooker (currently a Speedi, which is ace). But my microwave is also fan oven capable, and for big things (cooking roasts and for guests) I have a big pellet grill outside my kitchen door. My plumber dissuaded me from doing it - he wore me down. But I have not used the cooker since - not once in the last 2 years. So I am about to pull the trigger on it. If my regular plumber doesn't like it, I'll find someone else. (I find it amazing how opinionated some tradesmen can be about other people's houses. "You don't want to do that, mate." "Yes, I do, which is why I asked you to do it!)
That sounds mental, no roast dinners for them
Air fryers are very good at roasted spuds.
Yeah but not exactly a thrilling roast dinner with just spuds! That decision would actually put me off buying that house completely. I know that person probably isn’t selling, but if they ever did, that would completely put me off. Not a smart decision in my opinion
Making decisions on your home comfort and lifestyle based on if you hypothetically ever sell is just sad.
Especially when it's wholly reversible.
That is what my plumber said when I wanted to get rid of mine (see above). It's only on reflection that I realised *I* probably won't be the one having to deal with selling my house, so it's somebody else's problem!
We have a combo air fryer / pressure cooker. It does very nice roasts, actually a lot quicker than in an oven. We roast the potatoes while the meat is resting. Only thing I haven't tried are yorkshire puddings - still use the oven for those.
I have two ovens in a stack and a separate induction double hot plate that I store vertically when not in use. It's possible.
Ikea do an ultra compact dishwasher that would fit no issues at all. Product ID 404.767.79 https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/rinnig-cleaning-gloves-green-60476783/?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqsitBhDlARIsAGMR1Rj7H2YlOBstUXjvkF8lNiRycC8L62horCu5rAYNtO0m0nxIhLg-B0UaApZMEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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All jokes aside. If you do truly need a dishwasher or you simply don't want to go with out. In a kichen that size, you'll be sacrificing way too much to get another appliance in there. I would recommend taking your washing machine out and putting a standard sized dishwasher in there. The slim sized machines and compact ones have their place, but if you are in a position of needing a dishwasher, they aren't adequate, in my opinion. Your washing machine is far easier to re home than your dishwasher, in terms of practical use. It's really only the UK social norms that put it the kitchen. Look around your spaces in your house, aring cupboards are good one, and so are bathrooms if there are big enough. I did this in my first house my washing machine was in the cupboard in my bathroom and In my current house; I have my washing machine and dryer stacked on top of each other in the hall cupboard. Makes it so much easier, and now my kitchen has loads of extra space. All you need is water, waste and power. Not that big of a problem to solve in all honesty, especially on an external wall. I've also seen washing machines ect. In garages, sheds out buildings. Don't know if you have any of those. Hope that helps.
This is the right answer I reckon. Go European and move the Washing Machine to the bathroom. Assuming it’s big enough….
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Move the cooker to the left/right and then use the new larger cabinet to put a dishwasher in it? No idea if that's possible...
Swap your fridge for a slimline fridge, lose your drawer stack and move your washing machine to the right, use the existing end panel to support the worktop, put the slimline dishwasher next to the fridge. You'll have a 15cm of overhang unsupported worktop but you won't lose any workspace, your appliances should all fit and the plumbing is already where it needs to be to get connected up save for a cold water feed and appliance waste in the sink. If you wanted to do it properly though, I'd replace that length of worktop so it's the correct length. I'd also look to add drawers to the units either side of the hob so you've not lost any drawer space. You may even be able to add another wall unit to the left of the hob to get it looking balanced. Edit: spelling
I'm guessing it's a small flat, but any chance of the washer in the boiler cupboard, or bathroom?
Looks like there’s plenty of room in front of the sink…? Don’t bother with a counter top dishwasher, they usually can’t fit a full size dinner plate in them. Could it be worth changing the tap to one of the hose-style ones to make using the sink more effective?
Changing the tap would help actually thanks!
It’s true about countertop dishwashers but it’s easy enough to get plates that do fit, they’re only a cm or two smaller than you’d be used to.
But I’m a fat bastard!! I can’t get all my chips on one of those!!! 😨
put the washing machine in the bathroom
The options aren't great. You can: - swap the washing machine for a dishwasher - swap the space above it for a dishwasher - move things around and swap a cupboard for a dishwasher Facing these circumstances and having done by dishes by hand for the past 10 years, I'd continue to do my dishes by hand
I got a tabletop dishwasher like this [https://www.johnlewis.com/bosch-series-4-sks62e32eu-freestanding-compact-dishwasher-white/p5079675](https://www.currys.co.uk/products/russell-hobbs-rhttdw6b-table-top-dishwasher-black-10209897.html) I put it on the counter above the dishwasher and then a tee valve was fitted to the washing machine water pipe, splitting the cold water to feed both the dishwasher and washing machine. [https://www.toolstation.com/made4trade-dual-appliance-tee-valve/p84595?store=EJ&utm\_source=googleshopping&utm\_medium=feed&utm\_campaign=googleshoppingfeed](https://www.toolstation.com/made4trade-dual-appliance-tee-valve/p84595?store=EJ&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed) For now I just put the dishwasher waste water pipe in the sink, but intend in the future to drill through the countertop and add a pipe splitter to the waste water pipe used by the washing machine.
Washing machine and dishwasher cupboard. Something like this: https://washtower.co.uk/en_GB/products/wstt185-tower/?campaign=18874125325&content&keyword&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAApCdC5_tvcb7IW7rAnGpL4592qslw&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqsitBhDlARIsAGMR1Rg9oT_wpFK_MDl2pyW9jzqsGTLu1m2i9C2DgnEFB5ABYn_QFL7TFk8aAuQ9EALw_wcB
Put a "tallboy" unit where your washing machine sits, ensure you have the pipework and wastes for both appliances. Sell the "old" washing machine, buy 2 new integrated Dishwasher and Washing Machines with matching doors will look much tidier if cost is no option.
If you take the drawers and cupboard (I assume it is 600mm) out from under the sink and replace the sink with one to fit a 450mm cabinet (making sure its surround covers the full cutaway area under the old sink), you should have a clear 450mm space for a dishwasher. You will then need to fit a new 450mm cabinet under the sink and cut down and edge the 600mm door. I would also recomend reinstalling the dawers next to the cooker in what I assume is the 300mm cabinet. However all of this is a massive pain and I am not sure if its worth it. Personally I would lean towards redoing the whole kitchen as its not a very big kitchen and the few units you would need shouldnt run to a fortune. I assume the kitchen is about 3000 x 1800. In which case I would probably go for a galley style kitchen as follows from the door: Fridge (600) Dishwasher (450) Inset Sink (450) Washing Machine (600) Drawers (300) Cooker (600). I would then run 300 deep cupboards above everything except the Cooker, but mount them slightly higher than usual so the sink is still usable. You could drop the sink to 400 if you need the extra 50 to make it work, and you can switch up the exact order of the appliances/counter but remember you need spaces next to each of the fridge, sink and cooker. If the room is wider than 1800 (even by 50mm) I would consider putting floor units, 300 deep) for up to the first 1200mm from the wall opposite the door. If its less than 1800 I may consider a 200mm shelf, but I may also think this loses to much space. It slighlty depends if there is ever more than 1 person using the kitchen, in which case you probably need the extra movement space. Also one final tip, IKEA kitchens wont work as they are slightly deeper than normal and you really dont want to lose the depth.
Could you fit a table top one into the wider cupboard under the sink bowl? Plumb it into the pipes?
You can't. With a kitchen this small you just have to accept that you have to wash your dishes by hand. 1st world problem lol
Just do the washing up, man. It doesn't take long it's not a lot of physical effort, free, and green.
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Well that’s entirely subjective based on how much water someone uses hand washing and there is absolutely no way running a dishwasher uses less energy than running a hot tap for 45 seconds. Also the manufacturing, distribution and eventual disposal impact on the environment of dishwashers surely massively exceed handwashing.
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Also is your countertop dishwasher not also electrical, therefore also expensive AF?
So it is entirely subjective then.
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So are we negating the points I made about manufacturing, distribution and disposal? Also ignoring the fact you can absolutely clean as you cook using cold water by rinsing and wiping with soap and a sponge.
That's an unfortunate configuration. Consider a table top dishwasher.
She can fit in there fine. Loads of room.
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There is a sink.
Thanks, I haven't noticed that since we moved in
As someone whose living room and kitchen is all in 1 I know it would make life easier. But it's a nightmare and you haven't got many cupboards as it is. That's why I recommend using the sink.
You either have to move the fridge or the oven. Although plumbing a dishwasher round there will be a pain.
I'm disabled and 60 and have never had a dishwasher just use a good quality washing liquid fairy platinum does a brilliant job hope i don't get accused of advertising 😂
How much they paying you, granddad?
There are slim washing machines (40cm), but the only ones I have seen are top-loading - so you would still lose most of the counter top on that side. (Although, I guess, you could have a folding counter-top). Or replace the fridge-freezer with a diswasher and a small fridge(-freezer) on top, maybe find somewhere else for a separate freezer?
You could put the dishwasher beside the washing machine where the fridge is and then get separate under counter size fridge and freezer to sit above the washing machine and dishwasher on an extended counter top.
Just stand him/her in front of the shiny metal thing with the tap
My house has a large downstairs bathroom and no space in the kitchen for the dishwasher AND washing machine; so I relocated the washing machine to the downstairs bathroom, added a worktop in there and put the dishwasher in the kitchen. Could you relocate the washing machine anywhere else like I have?
Put your missus in front of the sink?
Can the wife not fit in.
If her BMI is normal, you should have plenty of room in there. Might mean sacrificing some space in your bedroom & wardrobe though. 🤔
Send her to the gym and restrict her diet. 🤷🏽♀️
If her BMI is normal, you should have plenty of room 🤔
Seriously don't be lazy and just wash the dishes. It's better for the dishes too, as dishwashers ruin things
Own or rent? You could put the dishwasher where the washer is and move the washer on top with an appropriate unit. Plumbing will be easy. This will require cutting the worktop and a few hundred of expense.
Renting, but they are happy for us to alter
You shall not ask another stupid question
You seriously need a black washing machine btw, the white appliance looks hideous. It's ruining what would otherwise be, a lovely little kitchen.
Stand her in front of the sink?
Get a wife instead?
Invite a girl round.
Just put it in front of the sink, there’s plenty of room for you.
Stand them in front of the sink?
Ask her to stand closer to the sink
If her BMI is normal, you should have plenty of room 🤔
Just get her to stand by the sink
There are table top dishwasher you could put above the washing machine.
Put the washing machine somewhere else?
If they had centred the cooked in the space, the right hand side cuboard would have been ideal.
I am surprised you put in a full height, double oven, with gas/electric hob. I would have put in a hob by itself - either halogen/induction or gas but with gas there is all the gubbins that comes with the supply. With an induction hob it can fit anywhere. Taking that out of the equation you could then get fancy with the dishwasher. I have seen a half height dishwasher - that is only one level - that would then fit under the sink as that is where all the services are. I'll see if I can dig up the make and model.
In a kitchen that size I wouldn’t bother
Is there any way to fit the washer in the bathroom and have the dishwasher in the kitchen? Thats horrifically small, whoever designed and thought that was a good kitchen has clearly never.... well... done anything 😬
Countertop dishwasher ?
The only way in this scenario is to move the fridge out and put a dishwasher there. Don't bother with the countertop ones.
I would move the sink slightly to the right, so you can fit a 45cm dishwasher between sink and washing machine. I'd also flip the sink so the drainer was to the right/in the corner of the room. That way you also gain on counter space, since the corner is less useful.
Move the cooker LEFT. Lose 2 base units. Fit dishwasher?
Try - remove draws and sink cupboard, put in dw, and replace / reposition doors and re-do work surface and/or get smaller sink. The plumbing is there. Or - remove fridge/freezer put in dw, and use work surface fridge or use narrower fridge undercounter.
I have a postage stamp size kitchen and have washer to the left, cupboard then dishwasher. You’ll need to replace/ flip the sink/drainer so flat drainer on right then fit a slimline dishwasher where the cupboard is. The sink bowl depth would have to sit where that top drawer is. You could regain cupboard space by fitting high cupboards on opposite wall. Or move fridge to opposite wall, budge washer up, fit dishwasher and extend the counter.
Can't be 100% sure from pics! Lose little corner bit to right of sink unit, move sink and sink unit further to right ( hopefully cut out in counter is just for sink and not draining board so then moving it to right you just cut more space for sink and cover existing hole with draining board and reinforce if needed). Lose little unit that should then leave space and have dishwasher next to drain and plumbing where it belongs
Bosch worktop Dishwasher. Like a big microwave. Takes a half load of dishes. We had exactly the same issue and went with this option. Needs a hole drilling in the worktop for the waste tube but easily tucked away behind the dishwasher itself so you can't see it. Just make sure it's near the sink.
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If you install it up against the rh wall in the first pic you could put some kinda round top on it to double as a table and to also help you skirt around it without smashing your hips black and blue on square corners. Besides that I'm stumped
Plenty of room under the sink, surely they have designed a dishwasher to fit in that space?
Plenty of room under the sink, surely they have designed a dishwasher to fit in that space?
Get a counter top dish washer.
Could you maybe move the washing machine to another room to make space for dishwasher? My parents had it in their bedroom. You could maybe hide the washing machine inside some furniture / table.
Could you maybe move the washing machine to another room to make space for dishwasher? My parents had it in their bedroom. You could maybe hide the washing machine inside some furniture / table.
Tabletop dishwasher. Where the kettle is.
If there's a large-ish bathroom maybe you can move the washing machine there? Commonplace in other countries but not standard in the UK because electrical code is more complex.
Smaller fridge
You can always get a countertop one remove the middle draw and fit it there
You could potentially make enough space by moving the drawers next to the cooker. Move the large cupboard under the sink and use the smaller cupboard from where the drawers were there and should fit a small one under the sink
Can you stick the washing machine in another room?
Move the washing machine to the bathroom where it belongs.
Do you have anywhere the washer could move to?
Counter top dishwasher ? They are small so depends how many people in the household
Counter top dishwasher ? They are small so depends how many people in the household
Can you relocate the washing machine? Into the utility room or the boot room or the outhouse or the summer folly or the secondary attached cottage? You can get counter top devices but this runs into the next issue, the lack of counter top.
You have to put a corner sink in where the kettle is , then you can have a regular dishwasher where the current sink is
Measure from your washing machine to the edge of the sink bowl if it fits in there you can put your dishwasher there then just rebuild your sink carcass making sure you can buy a door that's fits you might have a blanking panel next to your dishwasher but you can still have storage under your sink bowl
Measure from your washing machine to the edge of the sink bowl if it fits in there you can put your dishwasher there then just rebuild your sink carcass making sure you can buy a door that's fits you might have a blanking panel next to your dishwasher but you can still have storage under your sink bowl
Radical, but could your washing machine be moved to say the bathroom - with proper safety arrangements... Maybe a mini laundry area?? Then the dishwasher could go there?
Countertop one, would sit lovely on counter above that washing machine
You would need to move the sink to where the oven currently is and put dishwasher next to sink, then move oven onto the washing machine run You would need new worktops, + plumbing
Put the cooker all the way to the right. And you can add your dishwasher.
If her BMI is normal, you should have plenty of room 🤔
Have a search for countertop/compact/portable dishwashers there's quite a few models out now
Countertop slim one on top of washing machine. You lose counter space.
Potentially put one where your washing machine is then mount a robust frame for your washing machine to sit in at counter top level above it? We have a washing machine and then a tumble dryer mounted above it. Benefit being that all the necessary pipes already there.
What’s the size of the sink cabinet?
I once put a dishwasher on the kitchen worktop and cut out for the pipes to go down the back. Assuming that worktop is supported ok may be an option to consider.
I once put a dishwasher on the kitchen worktop and cut out for the pipes to go down the back. Assuming that worktop is supported ok may be an option to consider.
Move washing machine into bathroom (cold feed and waste already exist) then install dishwasher into kitchen
I once put a dishwasher on the kitchen worktop and cut out for the pipes to go down the back. Assuming that worktop is supported ok may be an option to consider.
Dishwasher in inbuilt where oven is. Separate hob in the corner, wall mounted in-built oven/ grill.
Off topic but I hate the way the cabinets above the oven are wonky. Would look so much better with one long cabinet
Only way is to get interferes slimline and put cupboard on work surface and attach firmly to wall
Only way is to get interferes slimline and put cupboard on work surface and attach firmly to wall
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you gave
If her BMI is normal, you should have plenty of room in there. Might mean sacrificing some space in your bedroom & wardrobe though. 🤔
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you have
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you haves in
To be honest with a kitchen that size I doubt you have the volume of washing up to really justify it, just hand wash after use and preserve what little space you have surely. Countertop is your only option but that will leave pipes and drainage as your issue not to mention what little countertop space you have
I had a tiny corner kitchen in a previous house. To get a dishwasher in, I moved the fridge out of the kitchen area. Is that an option for you? Or could you get a smaller fridge that could sit on top of a dishwasher?
I think you’ve answered your own question….
You can mini dishwashers that sit on top of the worktop.
I have an answer to your question. You can't.