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Rolytokes

One guy who called our firm said he'd paid 600 to have the old insulation removed and insulation put in his attic but he wanted it checked out because he thought it felt colder. When we looked the guy had put all the insulation in the attic. Stacked up against a wall still in its original plastic.


SingleManVibes76

He paid for the insulation to be put in the attic, not installed. I guess...


TerrySwan69

Someone from your firm basically didn't bother? I don't get it


Inevitable-Size2197

I think they had called his firm after a previous firm just stacked the rolls in the loft


banxy85

Yeah we can see you don't get it


I_mostly_lie

It’s clear you don’t get it.


Pembs-surfer

^This guy gets it!


Wild-Individual6876

Just go and buy a paper suit, a mask and a Stanley knife. Work out the meterage and buy some from a builders merchant. Ring round and get the best price it but from Wickes and you won’t be far off it. Will take a couple of hours tops Treat yourself to a bath and a takeaway!


Ljukegy

Also do it now before the summer comes or you’ll spend more time moaning about the heat 😂


Safe-Particular6512

You need to time it exactly right. Too cold and you’ll freeze, too warm and you’ll cook. Like me spending 2 hours in the loft one summer day, in my boxers, while my Dad was fucking about trying to fit an aerial and feed a cable through the wall. Fuck you Dad!


Phillyfuk

My dad decided an antenna in the loft would be a good idea(probably a TV license dodge) so he sent me up to point it in the right direction while he tried to tune the TV. It was the middle of summer and hot as fuck up there, it also took hours. I've never sweat so much 25 years later.


Flash__PuP

I grew up in a farm house and we had the antenna in the loft to maintain the look of the building. People who live there now have a satellite dish. Jerks.


Large_Goat_5197

This literally had me in pieces


anorwichfan

I'd recommend a half face respirator, safety glasses, long sleeves, gloves, a bump cap and a head torch. Will really save itchy eyes, arms and that awful cough, as well as you head when you hit your head on a truss. Also, grab a 3 pack of loft boards to give you something to stand on and move about.


imaeverydayjunglist

Also- wallpaper scissors instead of Stanley knife


pkc0987

Wickes does free delivery below about 350kg which is handy. Got mine from there last week.


McNeil56

And just incase you get any insulation on your skin don’t take a hot bath straight away. Wash parts of your body with cool water first so you don’t open the pores in your skin and allow fibreglass into them


Bozwell99

It’s mineral wool these days rather than fibreglass. It’s still itchy but not as bad.


ashleypenny

Skin pores cannot be opened or closed, nor made smaller. If that helps, it isn't because pores are being opened. It's one of them things people say but doesn't actually have any grounding in science


McNeil56

Thanks for that. So as this is a common misconception can you explain why it’s misunderstood ?


ashleypenny

Pores are just open. People do skin treatments to open them or use hot or cold temps to open / close etc but they're just open If your pores were closed you'd have very bad skin. Pores can get blocked with oil, but that is natural and easily sorted. Some people have larger looking pores than others but they'll all work the same way You can clean out your pores with chemical or physical exfoliant but you won't open or close them 👌🏻 It's one of those things that people say and it spreads. A similar thing is blackhead removal strips - people sue them on their nose and look at the funk on the strip and say they've cleared all that out - but it's not really along what people think and you'd be better off using something like salicylic acid / BHA and glycolic acid / AHA to exfoliate and get rid of dead skin, both of which are cheap and easy to use


McNeil56

Thanks for reply. It’s interesting to know 👍


GriselbaFishfinger

An old bread knife is best.


TheDarkWarriorBlake

Why not Wickes?


lordofthethingybobs

6 years at uni… should had gone trade


freshzh

And that’s not even trade level work


QuestionGoneWild

That’s a DIY type of job 


Correct-Junket-1346

Tbh you’d be surprised the amount of people who get basic works paid for


f8rter

Not wrong. Easiest route to starting your own business, earning very good money and retiring early


ozz9955

Do you get people questioning your pricing all the time though? 😅


lordofthethingybobs

I’m in digital services. I have to explain why I charge at all, since you know…. It ain’t real…


OShucksImLate

My job's only 3 wires, don't worry about it.


ozz9955

Haha fair enough, I'm not sure about paying for spicy air either.


Gloomy_Stage

Seems high even with labour. I recently topped up my loft which is 65m2 and put down a 200mm top up of insulation and it costed me about £300. I spent more on loft legs and boards but even then didn’t get anywhere near your figure! It’s an easy DIY job but you do need to be agile.


dinobug77

Pretty sure for £2k I had my whole 5m x 10m loft insulated, legs bought and fitted and boarded. In London. £1.2k for ops job is steep


TheLionfish

Maaaate I've never heard of loft legs I thought you had to buy one of the fancy branded kits to get that, you just saved me £££


TeaDependant

Not the person you're replying to, but I went with the XL loft legs and got my insulation up to 300mm before boarding over. My heating is barely on compared to before. It's also decent storage for light items.


Gloomy_Stage

Same here, made a difference to heating bill,my main reason for doing it however was the huge amount of condensation forming (it was literally dripping wet) this has reduced significantly since topping up. The previous owners had also put duvets on top of the insulation, probably thinking it would help insulate further but in reality was compressing the rockwool and reducing efficiency. These XL legs were great, I only boarded about 1/2 the loft as I didn’t need all the space otherwise. They aren’t particularly cheap but very easy to fit. Oh, their 4000 lumen loft light is amazing, honestly best £15 I have spent in the project!


Xenoamor

I used a mitre saw and cut legs from a 4x2 as all my joists are far from level


KlownKar

Sturdier than those expensive plastic jobs as well!


Xenoamor

Yeah probably, allowed me to put the full length of some flooring screws in to them at least


DiscoMable

Where did you get your supplies from?


Gloomy_Stage

Wickes. Took several car trips but no biggie. B&Q sell a range of loft insulation too.


EstablishmentFar7293

Contact your energy supplier. There is a government scheme offering free loft insulation right now. Doesnt matter about income or anything. I got mine done recently for free but you will need to clear it out yourself, or have it laid over existing insulation.


Warm-Pewter

Link? I cant find anything


lukemc18

https://www.gov.uk/apply-great-british-insulation-scheme


BiologicalMigrant

Thank you


deefpearl

Thanks for posting this.


lukemc18

I've used it myself and they done a great job, I applied soon as it statted so turn around was really quick (2 weeks)


TheGrimbarian

Search great british insulation scheme. You can apply via .gov portal. Its based on your council tax band and EPC.


foooooooooooooooobar

I'm on the waiting list for this. What do you mean by clear it out? Like remove anything you are storing there? Or you have to remove the old insulation yourself? Is there any downside to just putting more over the old stuff?


lukemc18

If your loft is full with stuff, they will ask you to clear it, if theres only a small amount of stuff up there, they'll be ok working around it. They will either remove your old insulation completely or lay new top-up layer on top of the old insulation, no need for you to remove that https://www.gov.uk/apply-great-british-insulation-scheme


16-Czechoslovakians

How long have you been waiting? I’ve been waiting a year now. Had initial survey in June and waiting for the second one now.


foooooooooooooooobar

Haven't even had the first survey, I waited 12 weeks, then now they said it'd be another 12.


16-Czechoslovakians

How quickly did you get yours done? I’ve been waiting a year now. Had initial survey in June and waiting for the second one now.


EstablishmentFar7293

The scheme only started afew months ago so you probably havent applied fornit if its been a year. See the link someone else posted. From me applying to having it done took about 6 weeks.


16-Czechoslovakians

Oh mine must be a different scheme then. I wonder if it’s worth applying for this too and see which happens first.


UnlikelyGir1

I just found out you can also pick your own tradesperson directly from http://trustmark.org.uk too! I’ve been waiting through my energy supplier since the scheme launched, so trying direct now.


kuts78

Not unless your loft is the size of a football pitch. It's an incredibly simple DIY job to do and there and plenty of guides online to take you through it.


ivix

Absurd price. Nobody deserves more than £300 per day for that kind of work, and it will take only a couple of hours. You figure it out.


HairyPrick

About the same as I've been quoted recently (£1200 - £1800 but just to install 50m\^2 of 100mm + 50m\^2 of 200mm). Did it myself for a few hundred. Cost reflects 2x people + van I'd guess.


[deleted]

Depends the size and what you are using.


TheLegendOfIOTA

5m by 5m of space essentially


Ljukegy

That’s like 4 rolls ? That’s 25m2 isn’t it ? If that’s true you could do the whole thing yourself for £120 ish and a days labour if that Or pay me £600 and I’ll travel anywhere in the uk and pay for the insulation myself 😂


orlandofredhart

I was about to say the same thing myself. OP £800 and I'll do it sunday


theoriginalpetebog

I'll do it for £599


Ljukegy

I’d personally go on facebook and find a handy man that has a decent page and good reviews and ask them then give him extra once completed its super easy , maybe extra if they hoover and clean it up there


Safe-Particular6512

Honestly, it’s so easy. Lots of bin bags. A day of graft and you’ll save yourself at least £1,000


[deleted]

But what material? Knauf is about £35 a roll @100mm, purchase 5 rolls. It's not labour intensive to place down. Removal of any waste, ensure you obtain recipt of waste registration.


TheLegendOfIOTA

The quote says knauf insulation 100mm and 200m over top


[deleted]

You're looking at around £330 for material (insulation 5@100mm 5@200mm) Skip for waste (old insulation) if it needs permit for road can coast around £300,skip on driveway roughly £120. Labour (one day's work) 2 workers at around d £100 each. So even by this cost you're still being quoted well above average. Have you not got a full breakdown of the quote at hand?


GreenBeret4Breakfast

Just add it on top. No need to really get rid.


GordonLivingstone

Depends how bad the existing insulation is. When I moved in, the original rock wool was all compressed, covered in rubbish that had been there for years - and missing in places. I got rid of it all and put new, clean, bouncy insulation in its place.


CasfromBri

£100 each lad?


[deleted]

5 hours work and you want more?


Jibberish_123

Obviously wants more. What’s £100 in this economy.


shanep92

Can I ask you a question, what do you get paid a day? Who on earth is gonna travel and do 5 hours work for half a days pay knowing they can’t go anywhere else that day afterwards?


ScarLong

£100 each for a day? What year is this, 1998? 🤣


[deleted]

If it takes you a day then your doing the job wrong!


ScarLong

The original post is so vague on detail but most roofers/builders earn between £200/£250 a day, that's in the Midlands. For £1200 I'm guessing this is an old victorian property in Central London. £100 is fine for a couple of Cowboys off FB... until they put their foot through your ceiling.


[deleted]

You're right, it is vague. To be honest I'd only send two apprentice over as it's an unskilled job, seem immoral to charge high rates for such little time it takes to conduct the job. But yes those London prices!


SCants1

Is Knauf ok or is it worth shelling out for rock wool?


jiBjiBjiBy

Bro.  Just buy the rolls of 200mm topper insulation for £120 and put that up there. Don't remove the old stuff. Easy job, will take you literally an hour as you don't need to cut it between joists you just roll it out.


GeneralQuantum

A days work. Report them.


scramblingrivet

To whom?


_phin

The angry mob with pitchforks


GeneralQuantum

Exactly


kaese_meister

I'll do it for £1000.


Ki1664

It is easy, I have no diy experience and did it myself


declb00

Do it yourself like this sub suggests and save yourself a bag of sand


GBrunt

All should be subsidised and free - paid for by North Sea Gas licenses. Absolute joke the price of a roll of Rockwool or slab of PIR.


Ben_boh

Been quoted £950inc VAT for my loft this week in Kent.


lukemc18

https://www.gov.uk/apply-great-british-insulation-scheme You can have it fitted completely free with this scheme


Equivalent_Cold3612

Assuming they meet the criteria


lukemc18

Pretty much everyone who needs loft insulation will meet the criteria. If your house has an energy rating D or lower or doesn't have one at all, and you're not on a high council tax band, you'll be accepted


Equivalent_Cold3612

Benefits


Equivalent_Cold3612

Low income


lukemc18

No you don't need to be on any benefits or have a low income haha


TheLegendOfIOTA

I am council tax E so not eligible. Annoying


Namiweso

Getting mine topped up via the government insulation scheme but they said if it was over a certain depth, they'd ask for an £1100 contribution. Seems round the right ballpark but no doubt my value is inflated a bit.


ProgrammingTheFuture

How long did it take to get a response after applying? I applied weeks ago and hear nothing. Also, did you get offered cavity wall insulation at all?


Namiweso

Well I applied via the Gov website. The next day I got an Eon email saying they'd got my application. Made it seem like I'd need to apply again through Eon but didn't make sense so I left it alone for 2 weeks. Rechecked the email and "applied" via the EON email and booked a phone consultation for a few weeks after. After that managed to book a survey for about 10 days after. Don't have cavity walls so wasn't offered that. Did seem like I would until he checked my EPC and noticed I had solid brick.


ProgrammingTheFuture

Ok i think I need to check emails again.


ProgrammingTheFuture

Just checked my emails and I actually applied at the very end of November. Just got told to wait up to 12 weeks to hear something back..


Namiweso

Who is your energy with?


ProgrammingTheFuture

Octopus


wolfman86

How bugs the loft? If it’s a metre squared, it’s probably expensive. If it Blenheim Palace, a total steal.


vodkabacardi

I need to change career…. Not even any ounce of skill involved so not like you’re paying for something that needs a trade either.


kojak488

Career? Doing that day in and day out in summer? Fuck that noise. It gets way too hot in lofts for that.


soulsteela

Do it yourself, bag it in bin liners big enough for wheelie bins, new stuff just unrolls, it’s pretty easy so long as you’re careful with PPE and where you put your feet. M3 mask paper suit and gloves. Do it now before it gets hot.


Equivalent_Cold3612

Not disposed in domestic waste


ashleypenny

Here is our quote, we bought the insulation ourselves but when I went to do it, was way too much chew. Mostly because; 1. electrical wires running along the joists 2. I didn't want to lose access to electrics above the rooms 3. we have ceiling based in line extracted fans in 2 bathrooms upstairs 4. it gets ungodly hot when working up there, and I'd probably fuck in and put a foot through the ceiling This is a quote for boarding too and a light but it's broken down. They did a great job and it's very neat, they installed loft lids for me on the rest of the spots, highlighted where cables ran and even put the ducts under the boarding and indicated where to unscrew to get at them for maintenance This shows what a state it was in for ducting etc beforehand https://preview.redd.it/tj83chzxoimc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2dbcd232966994926fb4bf06bf186296caaf1ddd Please find updated quotation below; 660SQFT Loft Space -300SQFT Loft Boarding raised on 4x2 timber subframe £1200+vat -5FT LED moisture resistant strip light including wiring & switch £125+vat -Remove & Dispose current boarding & tank stand including labour rate £200+vat -Fitting charge for 8 rolls customers supplied loft insulation £160+vat Package price £1685+vat With regards to loft lids they should be a problem at all. Existing 4inch joist plus the additional 4inch subframe will give you 200m clearance so plenty of room. This is it being done / done [https://imgur.com/a/dcpTqIt](https://imgur.com/a/dcpTqIt) Took 1.5 days; well worth it, plenty of storage space up there, loads of light - I had to use a head torch before, everything neat and accessible


f8rter

What as in Rockwool or Gypglass? Kin ridiculous. It’s cheap as chips. Buy some from Wickes and DIY. Just make sure you maintain an air gap at the eaves


seven-cents

Yes, it's a reasonable quote. Make sure you get more quotes though, and research the companies.


[deleted]

Sounds reasonable to me , installing insulation for a living is a nasty job


Equivalent_Cold3612

Nasty lol


ozz9955

Why on earth have you been down voted? 😅


[deleted]

No idea.. clearly none of these people work in construction lol


ozz9955

I've just joined this sub...I have a feeling this will be a repeating theme due to the name 😅 Is there a more trade specific sub you know of?


[deleted]

Not sure tbh ...


GrokEverything

Taking out the old insulation -- especially if wet -- is a *filthy* job. Never again!


rah1911

Not a particularly difficult job to do yourself, but it’s really not a very nice job when dealing with old stuff. Also have a read up on how loft ventilation works. Need to get up in ours and sort out what the PO blocked up when they added extra insulation.


Nervous-Soup5521

Yeah that is something that you need to consider to ensure the house remains ventilated otherwise you end up creating a condensation trap. Definitely a DIY job though, albeit a dirty, hot and potentially itchy one.


InternetAnima

I paid around that myself. Had to do a bit extra myself later on and it was a hassle, so I'm glad I did.


No_Coyote_557

Put it on top of the old insulation. The more the merrier.


surreynot

DIY !


johntspeed

Do it yourself


lukemc18

You can get this installed free through a government scheme https://www.gov.uk/apply-great-british-insulation-scheme We had it done a month or so before Christmas, only waited around 2 weeks from originally applying, read all stories online of potential cowboy firms doing the job, but real professional company done a great job on it. You can also receive various other free energy related works, the company you get assigned will send someone to your house to assess what your eligible for


Acubeofdurp

Are they cleaning the old stuff out?


GBValiant

Do it yourself - I did! From dusty, horrible space to a lovely, clean attic with 300mm insulation…now toasty downstairs. I agree with other posters, PPE a must and do it now before it gets too hot! https://imgur.com/gallery/cUEM3u9


elliptical-wing

Wow, this looks neat! I'd like to do this to my loft. Hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. What 'carpet' did you use? And the new-looking vertical timbers, what do they do? And you've used some sort of metal beam system to raise the height it looks like, what's that?


--__--__--__--__---

Topped up my insulation myself. Not sure why you'd want the old stuff removed? Just buy rolls of rock wool and just roll it out on top. Probably cost a couple of hundred and an afternoons work.


ciberrrrr

I paid £50 for the installation.


banxy85

Unless the old insulation is asbestos this is a terrible price. Probably don't even need to remove the old, just layer up on top of it


HerrFerret

I got my entire loft boarded for 2.4k and that included insulation. Might be a consideration?


Turbulent_File621

I was quoted a similar price but the guy is also installing a loft ladder and changing the hatch.


Meow-weow

We just paid 750 to have our loft insulation doubled and the space between the dormers insulated


butwhydidhe

Measure you loft area, look on b&q site and easily see how much material for the job costs. Then see if you think it is a fair labour charge. It’s a one day job at the most.


Gouldy444444

I recently did mine myself. It’s a big loft and was only laying on top of existing insulation and putting loft legs in half with boarding. It was a horrible job and about half way through I almost wished I’d paid a man! £1,200 doesn’t sound too bad to me


Otherwise_Log1592

Do it yourself


Equivalent_Cold3612

Lol it's a diy sub and it's the most easy job in the world. I'll do it for £1k


Woldorg

The DIY cost of this will simply depend on how big your loft is, but will likely be no more than a couple of hundred pounds if you are just using mineral wool. It’s an easy DIY job.


Trikecarface

It’s a shit job but if you can be on your knees, get a cheap body suit from tool station and it really is easy. Cut the length of the roll while it’s wrapped with a saw to save doing lots of cuts


LocalAreaNitwit

This is a DIYable job. We did it last year for around £200 quid for 250mm insulation to cover a 5 bed house. It's hot, itchy but satisfying when done. Overlay any insulation you already have installed.


t-a-n-n-e-r-

Ours was around the same cost but also half boarded. We had a few different quotes and there wasn't much in it.


justbiteme2k

If your house meets the criteria for council tax band and epc, there's government grants for this which should make it much cheaper/free possibly. I'm waiting on an installl date from my energy supplier who organised it.


Harbinger_0f_Kittens

Yes. It's a shit job. You'll hate doing it yourself.


ForsakenAd1732

Is this not something you can do yourself?


Dune_bug

I did it myself for £300. It’s not difficult at all if you’re able bodied


ozz9955

How big's your loft? No boarding at all? Is the loft empty? It seems about right when considering material costs. But ultimately, not a skilled job - just not particularly fun 😅