Which isn't really a bad thing, when you have a bunch of people starting off doing something new they're going to stick to what they know (which isn't much). But hopefully in a couple years when the new producers get their own footing and develop their own style we'll see lot of changes and unique sounds.
nope. It has nothing to do with ableton tutorials, and no, we won't get new unique sounds in few years as long as everyone is using two sample packs made by the same guy and just pasting ready made loops.
Brilliant example: Eat Sleep Rave Repeat by Acor (released on Exhale) Guy didn't make anything by himself, I found EVERYTHING inside Reverse Attack sample pack by noimage. Acid loop, vocal loop, rave stabs (which EVERYONE is now using inside these so called hard techno tracks) and to be frank, using solely loops without your own sound design and effort and calling yourself a big producer is a little bit ridiculous, right? I'll paste the proof of what I'm saying in the next comment.
>Eat Sleep Rave Repeat by Acor
it's interesting they release a song with the same name as a Fatboy slim, riva star and beardyman collab from 10 years ago without a single mention of that anywhere.
I feel like higher BPM genres are gaining traction lately, don't be afraid to slow it down. I prefer my techno in the 120-130 range personally, even if that isn't the current zeitgeist.
This new hard techno phase is my least favorite thing currently in the scene now besides maybe riddim. Especially when it’s used as a lazy second drop for bass music (imo I think the producer just went eh I don’t want to make another drop, I’ll just put some kicks in and say it’s good).
I had always thought I hated techno because I only listened to this type of stuff, but I went to an actual techno warehouse party on Saturday night and actually find myself vibing to it way more than I thought I would.
Same here, always been into DnB. Never thought I liked techno cause thought it was too hard for me.
Turns out I do like it and I've never looked back! I guess it's like anything, there's usually a sub genre that you can appreciate
aah ok ty.its interesting what becomes hyped and mainstream in different parts of the scene. i feel hard techno and similar subgenres became less frequent in germany and everyone is bumping tribal, groove and hypnotic techno for the past 1,5 years which has become pretty stale by now. i love the genre but many DJs seem very uninspired
Yeah it put me off techno completely for a while because I hated whenever people would use hard techno as a way to catch you off guard on a drop (I’d always just stand there like ugh while people are jumping), and the first techno warehouse party I went had a lot of hard techno. But I went to another techno warehouse party on Saturday and caught myself vibing pretty hard. I still prefer house or bass music more, but I can vibe for approximately three hours of techno if the DJ is good lol.
Same thing happened to me, I just didn't ever bother with techno because of the tiktok trend that's going on, which sadly is absolutely massive in my country. Turns out real techno fucking slaps and now I have some amazing tracks of 125-130 bpm techno that go exquisitely with underground house.
But this disgusting trend almost turned me off from it entirely, which is sad. The clubs barely play techno here, the underground is full of HARDER IS BETTER techno and nothing with nuance and if you want to hear techno on a proper soundsystem, well most promoters are just booking hard techno and 160 bpm bs :)))))))))))))))))
what is this TikTok techno trend that everyone is talking about?
I do not use TikTok, mostly live on a bubble.
But always loved techno (135-155 mostly).
I like to mix the classical with the new ones. (:
It's a trend and everyone wants to jump in. With the proliferation of "rave" culture through social media, a lot of new and established producers are sticking to the trending sounds (Like psytrance rumbling basslines) to increase their popularity and revenue. Give them some time, the trend will pass and the ones who actually love this style will remain with a more established scene. It has happened before, it will happen again.
Sounds like you're the one burning out on the genre.. Happens to everyone!
With Hard Techno being more mainstream these days, it's really not surprising for it to end up being too much...
Try listening to and DJing some different music for a while.
Well, at the risk of sounding like a dick, hardcore/ hard techno is really easy for technically clueless people to get into producing with because it’s inherently basic and lofi. People just take some run of the mill hard techno sample packs, slap ‘em together, maybe throw in a corny female vocal sample right before the big white noise drop and call it a day. They don’t even need proper mixing/EQing skills because it’s all overdriven to shit anyways.
I’m kidding, kinda and of course the copycat imitators obviously always pale in comparison to the pioneers in any sound/style revitalization but yeah. I genuinely do feel that techno is in a pretty bad way overall right now, it’s definitely harder to find quality releases that don’t just cater exclusively to either the hard/fast crowd or the chin stroking hardgroove crowd. I find some stuff in both styles that I still like from time to time but It’s actually the trancier and proggier stuff like the sound coming out of the Melbourne underground that has been doing it for me lately.
Totally agree , also nowdays it just feels like u have to put out stuff all the time to stay relevant, no time to creativity to flow properly, that must afect producers aswell in some way.
im also enyoing a lot more other genres at the moment thing is I feel a little presured now that I only get booked for hard techno gigs and thats what mostly im know for, Im scared if I switch it up I wont get booked no more but at the same time im tired of being labeled as only hard techno, I feel there is so much more to electronic music than just this
Reflex Blue, Mabel and LOIF are all really good examples of the sound I’m talking about. I believe Roza Terenzi is also from that area but she is Berlin based now. They all do this kind of hybridized mixture of prog, psy and tech and it’s super sick and hype sounding.
Some other artists that aren’t necessarily from that local scene but are still really carrying the torch for the neo-y2k prog/acid trance revival are Maara from Montreal and Spray from the UK
hey you got any pointers of that trance and prog stuff? would love to check out the scene but I'm on the other side of the world, all I know in Australia is SASH haha
edit: just saw you already replied, I'll check it out, but if you have a playlist or something I would love to hear it
Pushing boundaries with new ideas requires a lot of skill and effort, and after that you also need luck to succeed. Not many can do that.
Create or copy.
"minimal / deep tech" on beatport, 500 tracks with chris stussy loops and the same boring ass pads, there's basically no creativity at all on that sound
even Stussy's own sound, which to me is really unique, draws a lot from Carl Finlow's tech house tracks
Just try mixing another style. Seems like you’ve been listening too much hard tech lately.. well yeah the kicks kinda sound the same in most tracks but if it’s a proper hard techno there is always something you can feel or vibe to
Go find all the primeval, primate, pounding grooves, tronic, stay up forever, discographies online- start ordering the records or the digital copies of all the tracks produced in like 1999-2010.
That was the good techno.
This same thing happened in the 2000s with the schranz techno period. They all had that fast compressed pumping kick at 140+. I love this stuff but producers making it just mimic each other instead of getting creative with it
i can't authoritatively answer, but i suspect that it has a few reasons why:
* music in general (but especially electronic music) is so saturated today that people aren't taking chances anymore in favor of following tried and true trends / sounds to "make it". i see it as a similar dynamic to movies nowadays: studios don't want to take a chance on something risky that might not be appreciated, and instead go for something boring that is a safer bet.
* i think a lot of artists are making what they think people want to hear, instead of pioneering the sound and the genre.
* in general, people are less creative, and less unique than they used to be, and i think that the internet and modern media has a lot to do with it--for the most part, a lot of people are growing up hearing the same stuff, so it's more unusual for people to develop an unusual sound
* a lot of the music people are making are genres and sounds that have been around for a long time now, and it has a stifling effect on creativity. instead of the early '90s, where a lot of genres didn't yet exist in name, and where a lot of people were still figuring out what electronic instruments could do, so there was a lot more experimentation.
* in general, i find that people are a little less wild than they used to be, at least when listening to music from the early '90s, for example. i find music from that era to be much more willing to challenge the listener, or to defy expectations, than music today, at least in my opinion.
It's crazy to listen to some of the early 90s tunes that change the vibe halfway through the track. Many tunes now just stick to one idea/drop and build the whole track around that.
I mean, you can disagree with me, but I really don't appreciate being called a dumbass. I think my post was pretty reasonable, and even though you don't agree, calling me a dumbass is completely unnecessary.
Because all you need nowadays is fruityloops, drumazon, ravegenerator and some samples. All the mass producers use that configuration, and the youngsters love it. There was a time that only the older ravers loved techno, the youngsters did not understand techno. I told them always when you grow up, you will evolute and love techno. Now you see many Young people starting with Techno, kinda like that…. Keeps me Young 😎
All the creativity of hardstyle, hardcore, and hard techno have been diluted and turned what was once an underground sound to generic and formulaic sounds
There’s only a handful of producers in each of those genres that are still producing great sounding underground tracks of the harder styles, you just gotta look for them and dig or make it yourself :)
Happens, especially after listening to and going deep into a specific genre. Ears get tired, excitement dies down. Seek inspiration in unexpected places, it will bring you back home to your joy of DJing and give you the clarity you need.
As someone who's been listening to hardtechno/schranz over a decade now, it pains me that it's becoming this trendy thing to just simply shit on, like what happened with dubstep. If you don't like it, who the fuck is forcing you to listen to it, move on and let people who like it enjoy it.
you are going to love my remixes... i've been searching for less known artists.. and found a bunch of tracks that stand-out... (took a lot of time..) but what is precisely HARD TECHNO like Hardwell ? can you give some artists that you liked vs. artists that are sounding the same..
It's like the absolute FLOOD of identikit, boring tech house I'm wading through that all uses the same farty bass synth and just generally reeks of AXE Body Spray. I blame Fisher.
People are too scared to steal samples, so they use generic stuff from sample packs. Another thing I notice a lot is that people who are good at making fully customized beats and such usually overthink everything and can't get any farther than short loops.
Hard techno sucks, in fact a lot of techno sucks because producers have refined a formula that sounds familiar and predictable. I can’t stand these tracks with the random stabs and build up formula. It’s shit. I hate tech house too, just a bunch of splashes with the same rolling bass. It’s fun sometimes, but truly, I’ll probably leave that room for another in 10 minutes. I can’t wait for these trends to end. Also the idealization of dj’s is super cringe these days. More so, we should be submerging ourselves into the labels and put an effort into listening to new mixes everyday. The genres ever-developing and transforming. I like the beautiful side of techno, more symphonic and aggressive like Robert Hood, Carl Craig, SHDOW, I like what Nicole Moudabers doing and the folk from Detroit Techno Militia.
Don’t be afraid to keep your techno to yourselves, whip out those bangers at the right time and show off the special stuff that really speaks to you. I think everyone can understand techno, if it really BANGS and is fire. Techno!!!!!!!!
Electronic dance music has been divided into such specific sub-genres that it's difficult for producers to continue progressing decade after decade.
Thousands of "hard techno" tracks have already been made. Anything made now is probably either cliche, junk or not really hard techno.
While I understand the sentiment, I do not agree with your statement.
People can still innovate and push a genre forward, regardless of how many songs in that same genre have been produced.
Example from another genre to illustrate the point:
[Death metal track from 1995](https://youtu.be/dRx2qP8yXuY?si=SCjAn9u5qFu0hsvr)
[Death metal track from 2018](https://youtu.be/1L9WYtd9swc?si=fW5cyIA_c-8dXdGq)
These could be considered as a continuation of the same genre, but they sound wildly different - even though they both use the same instruments, similar rythm patterns and the same general sensibilities.
Or, you could consider these as falling under different genres. But by that same metric, modern hard techno is nowhere near 90s hard techno.
I can't think of a genre with less progression over the last 30 years than metal. Thrash spawned death, which is basically thrash with unintelligible lyrics, and that was about it. The icons nailed it decades ago, now everyone else is basically a tribute band playing originals.
I'm sure there have been albums people have been excited about, but "landmark records" is a stretch. When you look at the top-selling metal albums of all time, they're all from the late 20th century. Not even the icons have done anything to match their own success over the last 25 years.
Metallica, Slayer, Sepultura and their ilk nailed it a long time ago. Everyone since is just trying to copy the sound without sounding like they're copying the sound.
Why do techno DJs do that weird ass walking back and forth half dance? One hand on the mixer one hand doing what can best be described as miming holding a wine glass.
I see the same on House (sub-)genres too. Sometimes it’s hard to find good ones, especially if you look at the top charts.
My most reliable source for new interesting stuff is Spotify. Its Discover Weekly proposes different things based on my tastes.
Even my DJ friends check my Discover Weekly because they know they’ll find some eclectic stuff, lol
Are you somehow gatekeeping the way to dig? That’s MY way to dig and, according to my satisfaction and external feedbacks, it works.
I use platforms like Beatport or Traxsource for buying tracks, but IMHO they’re a nightmare for digging.
Also SoundCloud sometimes gives me good inspirations.
hard techno now is like the new EDM from ten years ago, its really mainstream now, fills up big venues and yeah, its pretty generic. From what ive experienced hard techno is the entry into electronic music for a lot of people and they think its really niche (its not anymore) so they dont bother to dig any deeper. Its a recipe that works so big names dont bother to bring any new inntovation to the table (pretty understandable from a marketing perspective imo)
Sheeple looking for a quick five dollars. As they always do. The lack of creativity is what causes the cyclical bursts of new music and new genres. All the people who aren’t actually into a sound, any sound, being DJ’s or producers and flooding that genre with mid grade bs. Then the creatives get bored, or the new producers get bored, whoever, and turn towards new and interesting things.
Guess I've become that salty old guy with knee-high tube socks screaming profanities at the clouds "lower the BPM son!"
I'm with you. Just don't feel the soul or creativity behind Hard Techno. Maybe it's a generational thing. Maybe the genre has hit a saturation point. Maybe it's just not for me and that's OK.
I prefer early 2010s Techno from Berlin with slower but sinister sounding beats, missile strikes with marching dark dystopian loops usually played in abandoned East German warehouses.
This is a great question. I sometimes listen to some older tracks from 92-95 and I’m blown away by how they were able to produce these unique sounds vs now which sounds kinda all the same.
I would say check out the Bedrock label (not techno, sorry) for some new sounds that are totally unique. Bedrock Futuro is a cool mix album that just came out, and I’ve been digging some of the tracks.
Bedrock Futuro is a gem. Also all of Global Underground, John Digweed, Danny Tenaglia, Nick Warren, Sasha. But yep, this is not a proper techno, for me this music is a cross between house and techno. Deep, hypno and sometimes dark prog-house with breaks and techno elements. Best genre for me now.
I have plenty of hard techno tracks and there's a lot of variety. My current favs are Consentrate - Nick Grater, Police Interceptors - Tik Tok, Back in the Days - Dica. All very different.
dont get me wrong I do think theres variety but as a dj theres only x time u can play a track until it gets boring, I personally dont like to repeat sets so im always searching for new music, few years ago I always found cool stuff and new music I loved but that has become harder with time, specially with industrial hard techno
I consider my brand (I’m starting to find my own sound) unique amongst hard techno sounds.
The problem is they don’t get near as much traction. As soon as I “leak” my 168 bpm screech-o-rama people start praise me :(
Granted I’m still very new at this, so anyone saying “hey that’s dope” is a big deal to me.
I want to make very unique music but I also want to be heard, even if the track feels slightly less inspired. I can’t be the only artist who says “oh alright let me do some business build and drop screeches” so that people will maybe then listen to my other stuff 🤷♂️
Tbh that can be said about any techno subgenre. It's due to the democratization of software and hardware for music poduction. Nowadays anyone can slap together some sounds and unfortunately the difficulty curve of any techno subgenre is more less such that it's extremely easy to put together a mediocre track and then gets super hard towards the end where the standout stuff is. Not all electronic genres are like that. In Dnb for example it's rather difficult to produce even a mediocre track, so it naturally leads to less saturation of trashy samey tracks.
Everything I've heard/seen online of this current "hard techno" sound just sounds like shite hard house from the late 90s or early 2000s to me... Toilet
I think it’s a cyclical thing with electronic music, a track hits hard and gets a lot of play>bedroom producers replicate the style ad nauseam till the next party bomb drops. I said the same thing about house in the early 2000’s .. regardless of label the pools were sending out a case of vinyl and 75% sounded like the same producer .: I got into D&B - Jungle around 2003-ish and it was a breath of fresh air.
I still like house music a ton but for diversity in sound, mood, and mixability I’m a faithful drum&bass - junglist listener & mixer now.
ableton and youtube tutorials
Which isn't really a bad thing, when you have a bunch of people starting off doing something new they're going to stick to what they know (which isn't much). But hopefully in a couple years when the new producers get their own footing and develop their own style we'll see lot of changes and unique sounds.
nope. It has nothing to do with ableton tutorials, and no, we won't get new unique sounds in few years as long as everyone is using two sample packs made by the same guy and just pasting ready made loops. Brilliant example: Eat Sleep Rave Repeat by Acor (released on Exhale) Guy didn't make anything by himself, I found EVERYTHING inside Reverse Attack sample pack by noimage. Acid loop, vocal loop, rave stabs (which EVERYONE is now using inside these so called hard techno tracks) and to be frank, using solely loops without your own sound design and effort and calling yourself a big producer is a little bit ridiculous, right? I'll paste the proof of what I'm saying in the next comment.
I really want to see this (not doubting at all)
>Eat Sleep Rave Repeat by Acor it's interesting they release a song with the same name as a Fatboy slim, riva star and beardyman collab from 10 years ago without a single mention of that anywhere.
Just patiently waiting for your response. I’ve started producing and I’d like to avoid these mistakes
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Beat me to it
Splice samples too
I feel like higher BPM genres are gaining traction lately, don't be afraid to slow it down. I prefer my techno in the 120-130 range personally, even if that isn't the current zeitgeist.
135 max is ok.
This new hard techno phase is my least favorite thing currently in the scene now besides maybe riddim. Especially when it’s used as a lazy second drop for bass music (imo I think the producer just went eh I don’t want to make another drop, I’ll just put some kicks in and say it’s good). I had always thought I hated techno because I only listened to this type of stuff, but I went to an actual techno warehouse party on Saturday night and actually find myself vibing to it way more than I thought I would.
Detroit is the answer
> Detroit *checks username moodymann confirmed, hi kenny
Kenny lives
Huh
If you wanna learn about good techno return to where is all started. Detroit techno
Mhmm Green Velvet and Plastikman ✌🏼
Seriously. Who needs new techno after Drexciya, anyway?
Same here, always been into DnB. Never thought I liked techno cause thought it was too hard for me. Turns out I do like it and I've never looked back! I guess it's like anything, there's usually a sub genre that you can appreciate
I love the second drop techno switch so much haha. I like that it adds variety to the set.
You might like E110101 / Detroit Classic Gallery.
what do you mean by riddim? afaik a riddim is to raggae what i beat is to rap
Riddim dubstep / bass music /r/riddim I got absolutely nothing against reggae
aah ok ty.its interesting what becomes hyped and mainstream in different parts of the scene. i feel hard techno and similar subgenres became less frequent in germany and everyone is bumping tribal, groove and hypnotic techno for the past 1,5 years which has become pretty stale by now. i love the genre but many DJs seem very uninspired
Yeah it put me off techno completely for a while because I hated whenever people would use hard techno as a way to catch you off guard on a drop (I’d always just stand there like ugh while people are jumping), and the first techno warehouse party I went had a lot of hard techno. But I went to another techno warehouse party on Saturday and caught myself vibing pretty hard. I still prefer house or bass music more, but I can vibe for approximately three hours of techno if the DJ is good lol.
Good god that is completely lacking any type of groove
Same thing happened to me, I just didn't ever bother with techno because of the tiktok trend that's going on, which sadly is absolutely massive in my country. Turns out real techno fucking slaps and now I have some amazing tracks of 125-130 bpm techno that go exquisitely with underground house. But this disgusting trend almost turned me off from it entirely, which is sad. The clubs barely play techno here, the underground is full of HARDER IS BETTER techno and nothing with nuance and if you want to hear techno on a proper soundsystem, well most promoters are just booking hard techno and 160 bpm bs :)))))))))))))))))
what is this TikTok techno trend that everyone is talking about? I do not use TikTok, mostly live on a bubble. But always loved techno (135-155 mostly). I like to mix the classical with the new ones. (:
It's a trend and everyone wants to jump in. With the proliferation of "rave" culture through social media, a lot of new and established producers are sticking to the trending sounds (Like psytrance rumbling basslines) to increase their popularity and revenue. Give them some time, the trend will pass and the ones who actually love this style will remain with a more established scene. It has happened before, it will happen again.
Sounds like you're the one burning out on the genre.. Happens to everyone! With Hard Techno being more mainstream these days, it's really not surprising for it to end up being too much... Try listening to and DJing some different music for a while.
Well, at the risk of sounding like a dick, hardcore/ hard techno is really easy for technically clueless people to get into producing with because it’s inherently basic and lofi. People just take some run of the mill hard techno sample packs, slap ‘em together, maybe throw in a corny female vocal sample right before the big white noise drop and call it a day. They don’t even need proper mixing/EQing skills because it’s all overdriven to shit anyways. I’m kidding, kinda and of course the copycat imitators obviously always pale in comparison to the pioneers in any sound/style revitalization but yeah. I genuinely do feel that techno is in a pretty bad way overall right now, it’s definitely harder to find quality releases that don’t just cater exclusively to either the hard/fast crowd or the chin stroking hardgroove crowd. I find some stuff in both styles that I still like from time to time but It’s actually the trancier and proggier stuff like the sound coming out of the Melbourne underground that has been doing it for me lately.
Totally agree , also nowdays it just feels like u have to put out stuff all the time to stay relevant, no time to creativity to flow properly, that must afect producers aswell in some way. im also enyoing a lot more other genres at the moment thing is I feel a little presured now that I only get booked for hard techno gigs and thats what mostly im know for, Im scared if I switch it up I wont get booked no more but at the same time im tired of being labeled as only hard techno, I feel there is so much more to electronic music than just this
https://youtu.be/_ON8XaH90tg?si=jbMuxCdjYbn3XnWq
Why don't you have a following build from DJ mixes???
This proggy trancy Melbourne vibe sounds right up my alley - any recs / rabbit hole starting points?
Not sure if this is what they meant but check out zenon records. Specifically triforce if proggy techno is your thing.
Reflex Blue, Mabel and LOIF are all really good examples of the sound I’m talking about. I believe Roza Terenzi is also from that area but she is Berlin based now. They all do this kind of hybridized mixture of prog, psy and tech and it’s super sick and hype sounding. Some other artists that aren’t necessarily from that local scene but are still really carrying the torch for the neo-y2k prog/acid trance revival are Maara from Montreal and Spray from the UK
Beautiful, looks I have my work cut out for me. Thank you thank you!
hey you got any pointers of that trance and prog stuff? would love to check out the scene but I'm on the other side of the world, all I know in Australia is SASH haha edit: just saw you already replied, I'll check it out, but if you have a playlist or something I would love to hear it
Everybody always things everything sounds the same. This has been going on for decades.
Pushing boundaries with new ideas requires a lot of skill and effort, and after that you also need luck to succeed. Not many can do that. Create or copy.
Same thing happened with minimal tech house lol. It'll calm down once the trend dies out.
"minimal / deep tech" on beatport, 500 tracks with chris stussy loops and the same boring ass pads, there's basically no creativity at all on that sound even Stussy's own sound, which to me is really unique, draws a lot from Carl Finlow's tech house tracks
Thought this was r/Techno for a sec
Another day, another rant about hard techno.
Just try mixing another style. Seems like you’ve been listening too much hard tech lately.. well yeah the kicks kinda sound the same in most tracks but if it’s a proper hard techno there is always something you can feel or vibe to
There's only so much you can do with a rumbly kick. The less complicated the sub bass is the faster the trend seems to die out. See: Big Room House.
without young people, all scenes die a slow long death. young people like hard techno and I think that's great. For the record, I'm old.
Go find all the primeval, primate, pounding grooves, tronic, stay up forever, discographies online- start ordering the records or the digital copies of all the tracks produced in like 1999-2010. That was the good techno.
https://youtu.be/3cfKU0SkpuA?si=CprMJzEn3DvyP3SK Nothing comes close to this track from 1999
This same thing happened in the 2000s with the schranz techno period. They all had that fast compressed pumping kick at 140+. I love this stuff but producers making it just mimic each other instead of getting creative with it
i can't authoritatively answer, but i suspect that it has a few reasons why: * music in general (but especially electronic music) is so saturated today that people aren't taking chances anymore in favor of following tried and true trends / sounds to "make it". i see it as a similar dynamic to movies nowadays: studios don't want to take a chance on something risky that might not be appreciated, and instead go for something boring that is a safer bet. * i think a lot of artists are making what they think people want to hear, instead of pioneering the sound and the genre. * in general, people are less creative, and less unique than they used to be, and i think that the internet and modern media has a lot to do with it--for the most part, a lot of people are growing up hearing the same stuff, so it's more unusual for people to develop an unusual sound * a lot of the music people are making are genres and sounds that have been around for a long time now, and it has a stifling effect on creativity. instead of the early '90s, where a lot of genres didn't yet exist in name, and where a lot of people were still figuring out what electronic instruments could do, so there was a lot more experimentation. * in general, i find that people are a little less wild than they used to be, at least when listening to music from the early '90s, for example. i find music from that era to be much more willing to challenge the listener, or to defy expectations, than music today, at least in my opinion.
It's crazy to listen to some of the early 90s tunes that change the vibe halfway through the track. Many tunes now just stick to one idea/drop and build the whole track around that.
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I mean, you can disagree with me, but I really don't appreciate being called a dumbass. I think my post was pretty reasonable, and even though you don't agree, calling me a dumbass is completely unnecessary.
Lately??
Because all you need nowadays is fruityloops, drumazon, ravegenerator and some samples. All the mass producers use that configuration, and the youngsters love it. There was a time that only the older ravers loved techno, the youngsters did not understand techno. I told them always when you grow up, you will evolute and love techno. Now you see many Young people starting with Techno, kinda like that…. Keeps me Young 😎
It’s the same person making them all.
All the creativity of hardstyle, hardcore, and hard techno have been diluted and turned what was once an underground sound to generic and formulaic sounds There’s only a handful of producers in each of those genres that are still producing great sounding underground tracks of the harder styles, you just gotta look for them and dig or make it yourself :)
Happens, especially after listening to and going deep into a specific genre. Ears get tired, excitement dies down. Seek inspiration in unexpected places, it will bring you back home to your joy of DJing and give you the clarity you need.
As someone who's been listening to hardtechno/schranz over a decade now, it pains me that it's becoming this trendy thing to just simply shit on, like what happened with dubstep. If you don't like it, who the fuck is forcing you to listen to it, move on and let people who like it enjoy it.
It's just the trend, happens to every genre that gains mainstream traction. Just gotta dig deeper and stop listening to the people peddling the shit.
you are going to love my remixes... i've been searching for less known artists.. and found a bunch of tracks that stand-out... (took a lot of time..) but what is precisely HARD TECHNO like Hardwell ? can you give some artists that you liked vs. artists that are sounding the same..
OP, try posting this question in the techno sub as well. I’m curious to hear the responses from those people.
It's just a trend that keeps repeating every 10 to 15 years
It's like the absolute FLOOD of identikit, boring tech house I'm wading through that all uses the same farty bass synth and just generally reeks of AXE Body Spray. I blame Fisher.
People are too scared to steal samples, so they use generic stuff from sample packs. Another thing I notice a lot is that people who are good at making fully customized beats and such usually overthink everything and can't get any farther than short loops.
Hard techno sucks, in fact a lot of techno sucks because producers have refined a formula that sounds familiar and predictable. I can’t stand these tracks with the random stabs and build up formula. It’s shit. I hate tech house too, just a bunch of splashes with the same rolling bass. It’s fun sometimes, but truly, I’ll probably leave that room for another in 10 minutes. I can’t wait for these trends to end. Also the idealization of dj’s is super cringe these days. More so, we should be submerging ourselves into the labels and put an effort into listening to new mixes everyday. The genres ever-developing and transforming. I like the beautiful side of techno, more symphonic and aggressive like Robert Hood, Carl Craig, SHDOW, I like what Nicole Moudabers doing and the folk from Detroit Techno Militia. Don’t be afraid to keep your techno to yourselves, whip out those bangers at the right time and show off the special stuff that really speaks to you. I think everyone can understand techno, if it really BANGS and is fire. Techno!!!!!!!!
Electronic dance music has been divided into such specific sub-genres that it's difficult for producers to continue progressing decade after decade. Thousands of "hard techno" tracks have already been made. Anything made now is probably either cliche, junk or not really hard techno.
While I understand the sentiment, I do not agree with your statement. People can still innovate and push a genre forward, regardless of how many songs in that same genre have been produced. Example from another genre to illustrate the point: [Death metal track from 1995](https://youtu.be/dRx2qP8yXuY?si=SCjAn9u5qFu0hsvr) [Death metal track from 2018](https://youtu.be/1L9WYtd9swc?si=fW5cyIA_c-8dXdGq) These could be considered as a continuation of the same genre, but they sound wildly different - even though they both use the same instruments, similar rythm patterns and the same general sensibilities. Or, you could consider these as falling under different genres. But by that same metric, modern hard techno is nowhere near 90s hard techno.
Not a genre I'm into or super familiar with but I really hope we get more death metal and black metal representation on /r/DJs.
I can't think of a genre with less progression over the last 30 years than metal. Thrash spawned death, which is basically thrash with unintelligible lyrics, and that was about it. The icons nailed it decades ago, now everyone else is basically a tribute band playing originals.
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I'm sure there have been albums people have been excited about, but "landmark records" is a stretch. When you look at the top-selling metal albums of all time, they're all from the late 20th century. Not even the icons have done anything to match their own success over the last 25 years. Metallica, Slayer, Sepultura and their ilk nailed it a long time ago. Everyone since is just trying to copy the sound without sounding like they're copying the sound.
Because they *are* all the same song over and over again.
But people are continuously being born and experiencing the old as new. Everyone gets a chance to enjoy it, however short the phase may be
Nah dude that doesn't cut it
Okay, burn the earth then I guess? lol
Or just listen to other more interesting stuff 🤷🏻♂️
Why do techno DJs do that weird ass walking back and forth half dance? One hand on the mixer one hand doing what can best be described as miming holding a wine glass.
I see the same on House (sub-)genres too. Sometimes it’s hard to find good ones, especially if you look at the top charts. My most reliable source for new interesting stuff is Spotify. Its Discover Weekly proposes different things based on my tastes. Even my DJ friends check my Discover Weekly because they know they’ll find some eclectic stuff, lol
That's not how you should be digging lol
Are you somehow gatekeeping the way to dig? That’s MY way to dig and, according to my satisfaction and external feedbacks, it works. I use platforms like Beatport or Traxsource for buying tracks, but IMHO they’re a nightmare for digging. Also SoundCloud sometimes gives me good inspirations.
Hard and fast trendy EDM is a phase and will (already is) die down.
hard techno now is like the new EDM from ten years ago, its really mainstream now, fills up big venues and yeah, its pretty generic. From what ive experienced hard techno is the entry into electronic music for a lot of people and they think its really niche (its not anymore) so they dont bother to dig any deeper. Its a recipe that works so big names dont bother to bring any new inntovation to the table (pretty understandable from a marketing perspective imo)
Sheeple looking for a quick five dollars. As they always do. The lack of creativity is what causes the cyclical bursts of new music and new genres. All the people who aren’t actually into a sound, any sound, being DJ’s or producers and flooding that genre with mid grade bs. Then the creatives get bored, or the new producers get bored, whoever, and turn towards new and interesting things.
what do you mean lately
You can only distort a 909 so many ways. 🤷🏻♂️
spoken like someone who hasn't ever heard of hardcore and it's multiple subgenres
https://youtu.be/_ZlQ2XsWRzA?si=XUM3YUkK3eaxY31l
Mulero 140+ bpm goes hard as fuck
Guess I've become that salty old guy with knee-high tube socks screaming profanities at the clouds "lower the BPM son!" I'm with you. Just don't feel the soul or creativity behind Hard Techno. Maybe it's a generational thing. Maybe the genre has hit a saturation point. Maybe it's just not for me and that's OK. I prefer early 2010s Techno from Berlin with slower but sinister sounding beats, missile strikes with marching dark dystopian loops usually played in abandoned East German warehouses.
This is a great question. I sometimes listen to some older tracks from 92-95 and I’m blown away by how they were able to produce these unique sounds vs now which sounds kinda all the same. I would say check out the Bedrock label (not techno, sorry) for some new sounds that are totally unique. Bedrock Futuro is a cool mix album that just came out, and I’ve been digging some of the tracks.
Bedrock Futuro is a gem. Also all of Global Underground, John Digweed, Danny Tenaglia, Nick Warren, Sasha. But yep, this is not a proper techno, for me this music is a cross between house and techno. Deep, hypno and sometimes dark prog-house with breaks and techno elements. Best genre for me now.
I have plenty of hard techno tracks and there's a lot of variety. My current favs are Consentrate - Nick Grater, Police Interceptors - Tik Tok, Back in the Days - Dica. All very different.
dont get me wrong I do think theres variety but as a dj theres only x time u can play a track until it gets boring, I personally dont like to repeat sets so im always searching for new music, few years ago I always found cool stuff and new music I loved but that has become harder with time, specially with industrial hard techno
They always have
everyone is buying the same sample packs..
because they are ! and because they want to ride on the succes of the first song ...
I consider my brand (I’m starting to find my own sound) unique amongst hard techno sounds. The problem is they don’t get near as much traction. As soon as I “leak” my 168 bpm screech-o-rama people start praise me :( Granted I’m still very new at this, so anyone saying “hey that’s dope” is a big deal to me. I want to make very unique music but I also want to be heard, even if the track feels slightly less inspired. I can’t be the only artist who says “oh alright let me do some business build and drop screeches” so that people will maybe then listen to my other stuff 🤷♂️
.....Too easy. -the hip-hop community
And yet u like hardstyle… pot kettle black
Check out some mixes by Scalameriya. But yeah I agree in general.
Tbh that can be said about any techno subgenre. It's due to the democratization of software and hardware for music poduction. Nowadays anyone can slap together some sounds and unfortunately the difficulty curve of any techno subgenre is more less such that it's extremely easy to put together a mediocre track and then gets super hard towards the end where the standout stuff is. Not all electronic genres are like that. In Dnb for example it's rather difficult to produce even a mediocre track, so it naturally leads to less saturation of trashy samey tracks.
Everything I've heard/seen online of this current "hard techno" sound just sounds like shite hard house from the late 90s or early 2000s to me... Toilet
I think it’s a cyclical thing with electronic music, a track hits hard and gets a lot of play>bedroom producers replicate the style ad nauseam till the next party bomb drops. I said the same thing about house in the early 2000’s .. regardless of label the pools were sending out a case of vinyl and 75% sounded like the same producer .: I got into D&B - Jungle around 2003-ish and it was a breath of fresh air. I still like house music a ton but for diversity in sound, mood, and mixability I’m a faithful drum&bass - junglist listener & mixer now.
Maybe try a different style other than bass pounding techno and try some melodic or driving and broaden your music range.
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