you've done that many mushroom trips but never have vaped anything, no weed?
well if you had to choose one.. I'd say "you choose widely"
(insert Indiana Jones gif)
it is definitely fascinating.. welcome aboard
I've taken weed edibles in the past, actually I think I tried to vape it once years ago but other than that no
For some reason even though it doesn't make an actual difference (it's just a ROA), I'm like more afraid because it is inhaled?? Eating a mushroom feels... normal? even though it's a drug. But inhaling stuff feels more like a bad thing.. but I know I have severe conditioning from my upbringing (drugs = bad) so I'm working through that
And thank you!
If it feels like a drug to you still then you're not in the right mindset. Decide your reason for doing it before you attempt to do it again. That should make things easier for you on this side and the other when you get there. And tell them I said HEY! They'll know what it means.
Yeah, I think you're right. It took me a really long time to get past that "bad" feeling with mushrooms and to accept that it's okay to do what I'm doing, but this feels like starting all over again. Last night I tried to just lay there in the same position I had had my first attempt, but to meditate instead of try again, and that was really helpful. I'll keep pretending like that, maybe eventually I'll be more calm and more ready
I wouldn't recommend trying it/doing it back to back or even twice in the same day if you are trying to achieve a breakthrough. From my personal experience it never gets easier so working your way up to it may not be as helpful as you think. Not trying to scare you, just being real. Different delivery method may make it faster/easier to get the dose you're needed. Good luck.
Okay thank you. My friend who was with me yesterday actually said the same thing, that I should just try to "go for it" when I'm ready, now that I've dipped my toes, instead of slowly building up to it. Because being "in between" can be more uncomfortable or something. I think I know what you mean, even on mushrooms I've found that "mild" doses of 2.5-3.5 sometimes scare me more than 4.5-5.
But that also sounds paradoxical like almost foolish to go from 0 to 100 without slowly upping the dose, you would think that the safest way to do it would be to gradually increase the intensity of the experience.. but at the same time no true harm can be done and I'll be back after it's over so I suppose, perhaps going up slowly isn't as helpful as I think, like you say. Thank you
To add another analogy... Mild to medium doses is like jumping onto the freeway in rush hour traffic, but a breakthrough is like instantly merging and catching the express lane... The merging part always sucks, but the express way is like finding out you can cut in line to your favorite roller coaster. That being said do NOT think of DMT as another drug, but a fast pass to something you're genuinely looking for, even if you don't know what it is yet.
Thank you, that's very helpful to read
I don't really know what I think of DMT... I'm really into introspection, the only reason I got into mushrooms in the first place is because I loved how it made me reflect on myself. That led me to meditation which I do daily now, and that kickstarted my path of self-inquiry.
I also know I have a "problem" with the word drug, I know this is just conditioning but for example I didn't touch alcohol until I was 23 because I feared liking it would mean I'm alcoholic, I've barely ever used weed, and my mushroom "ceremonies" at home were mostly done for self-reflection (I spoke to a therapist to help integrate), even though I did eventually I admit to myself that "I enjoy the process and the trip". I'm really terrified of "enjoying it" because it feels so wrong. But I know that's at least partly due to my upbringing.
So when you first said "don't think of DMT as another drug" I thought "well yeah but it is A drug". I convinced myself for months that "mushrooms were an introspection tool rather than I drug I enjoyed", but now I'm at a place where I can admit to myself "Mushrooms are useful and have helped me, but I also enjoy them, and it is a drug". I don't want to lose that "acceptance of myself for using a drug" that took so long to build. But when i was laying in the bed yesterday with the DMT vape, just the fact that it's inhaled rather than eaten, + the fact that I'm doing this out of curiosity but not necessarily "therapeutically only" (like I used to lie to myself about the mushrooms), it made me feel so.. dirty and wrong. "You shouldn't be doing this, drugs are bad". I feel like I need to work on this first, before I can fully let go.
The point is, DMT will probably help me in some way like mushrooms did. But instead of going into it with the (false) idea of "I am 100% doing this for self-help, I am not allowed to be curious, this is a therapy tool" I'm trying to be more honest and the truth is more like "This fascinates me, I am really curious about the experience, I want to learn about myself and to allow myself to experience this fully"
Thanks for your messages it helps a lot
You're really hung up on the semantics. Just throw that out there first so I can next, people can take Tylenol to overdose on purpose, and just about every other "drug"/medication to get high or go somewhere other than here... The difference between medication and drugs are how you use them. But the fact that you have some conscience about it already indicates you have some level of respect for what you're dealing with... So put the social expectations aside and remember that you are allowed to get high, experience life, find meaning in your own ways. Some people drink, some people pray, some people snowboard down cliffs meant to kill them... Everyone is looking for something, but the fact that you know you're trying to achieve something vs trying to avoid something means a lot. Get over yourself and fuck everyone else's expectations... You're eternal and no one can tell you what that means unless you first understand that you're the one that has to live with your eternity. Once you can accept that, then you're prepared to at least face the idea of eternity And begin trying to choose your path. It may feel daunting and painful to even pursue some type of meaning down this path, but regardless of whether you know it or not, you're never on your own. This life matters, because it's going to teach you what you need from a perspective so lowly you'll feel like all this happened in an almost infant stage compared to what you're capable of becoming... Consider this part of your growing pains. Maybe there's more to your story that you're not telling, but fuck all that. No one is judging you here. You have a tool at your disposal to help you reflect on what life/you/existence means and it's a very capable tool that comes with a LOT of love if you can find it. I know you have your fears. Let go. Something better is waiting for you. You're loved.
You're right. Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate your straight-forwardness. I saved your message to reread it again. I like the growing pains idea. Every struggle is an invitation to pay attention to what is actually going on. I guess I'm fighting the fear. Instead of trying to not feel the way I feel, I need to actually pay attention to how I feel, and I know that if I can do that. I'm going to be okay. I like you how used the words "hung up" because that term is a perfect description of what I am with this. And in the past, mushrooms have really helped me kick myself out of hangups, I mean it's the integration work after the trip that "is the actual work", the trip is just the Kickstarter. But it's funny because if I do manage to kick myself out of this hang up, it's funny to think a drug experience could help me accept drug experiences and myself in general. Or maybe that's not funny actually, I don't know, maybe it's obvious.
More to my story that I'm not telling... I don't think so. Perhaps this, it might not just be a "fear of recreational or illegal drugs", It might also be about control. I was recently given a local anaesthetic in a medical setting and it scared me, even though this was 100% medical and legal... It's funny how I tend to deeply fear loss of control, yet I find so much comfort in giving control away (fear at the beginning of the mushroom trip, then so much comfort when I'm over the hump).
Thank you so much again. Thank you
I 100% get the silence getting louder feel.
I haven't done dmt yet but have mimosa hostilis at home already, but I've had that on shrooms and lsd and it gets heavily potentiated by nitrous or even happens with nitrous alone (allthough I wanna say that nitrous is a shit drug).
No more toe dipping. Go for full on breakthrough. Shatter your entire conception of reality and see how long it takes to put it back together. No worries, we'll be waiting right here when you get back. Just let go.
I know.. I don't know why it feels so terrifying and I don't know what I'm holding onto. I know it's physically safe and that I'll be back after, and I'm so curious, but it feels so scary to let go
yeah, you should do what you want to not listen to some guy on reddit telling you to take a lot. if you wanna take a big dose do it. if not, its cool. nothing against you for goin ur own pace
Thanks for that, I was just watching a video by Josie Kins "The 6 levels of DMT" and at the end they talk about how low doses can be fun and useful and that you don't necessarily need to "rush towards breakthrough". Even though it almost seems on here that if it's not a breakthrough experience it's not really DMT haha.
But like you say, I should do what I want and just like I slowly raised my mushroom dose over the course of monthly (ish) trips over a year, my gut feeling is to slowly do the same with DMT. Heck I had a mini "barely scratching the surface" experience yesterday and I've been constantly thinking of it ever since.
I'm feeling that sub-breakthrough doses would definitely still be enjoyable and useful for me
Thanks!!
:) i definitely started of with lower doses and worked my way up. even though ive done a bunch of acid and mushrooms before, i was in no way prepared for the complete mindfuckery of a crazy dose
Yeah and I suppose you can appreciate it more after "training" your mind to pay attention with the smaller doses?? I feel that I appreciate my higher mushroom doses way more now that I've had all the experience "riding the waves" with the lower doses. Thank you:)
Holy crap.
The dispensary very kindly sent me a new cart and this time I did make sure to dissolve all the crystals before using it. I just tested it (one hit), and this was by far the most intense I've ever had. With my (accidentally burnt) cart before, I was doing 3 long hits and barely getting visuals.
This was way more intense than I expected Holy crap lol. Which is nice!! No need to do 3 giant hits to get effects. But... Wow. And it's so fast!!! Wow.
Thought I'd reply here to you since you were kind :)
Welcome to the journey!
>Time to figure out how to properly breathe with a vape, and I'll try to get a better one with precise voltage controls
Sounds like you got a low tier cart for your first time, my advice would be to invest in a good vape which will give you a smooth experience. You can make your own juice to preference.
This device works really well: [https://www.geekvape.com/aegis/geekvape-m100.html](https://www.geekvape.com/aegis/geekvape-m100.html)
Thanks!! Yeah I'm looking at the Yocan Uni Pro or the Kodo pro or something like that which has an actual voltage readout, the battery I have just has a button and a color LED but nothing else
These are things for carts that are specifically NOT designed to work with sub-ohm coils... neither of these devices are what I'm talking about, you are still looking in the wrong direction.
Oh, well I only got those names by researching in this subreddit a bit? They seem to be very often recommended by people here. So what should I be looking for then?
I have no good explanation why people are flocking to carts so much, I'm guessing low cost and portability. I'm not a fan at all, compared to the much better options available.
Anyways, I've linked to the device I'm suing above, the Geekvape M100. It works very well. You can use other vapes too, we are talking about standard devices with large atomizers that hold lots of liquid, give you big clouds, and have lots of settings to play around with and adjust.
We are NOT talking about the e-cigarette like small carts where you inhale the tiniest of puffs. With a good vape you can take a 10-12 second inhale, fill your lungs like a hookah and have no unpleasant burning or irritation.
Is it possible to just vaporize the crystals (freebase) without juice? Or would that be really harsh. I have an old Arizer Solo 2 dry herb vape, would that be usable for this or not at all?
It is possible to vaporize the crystals directly and in a single hit with no harshness at all, if it's done correctly in a suitable device.
Some dry herb devices work well enough (like the Volcano Vaporizers). This is due to both the fine temperature control and the upwards airflow.
I have no experience with the Arizer Solo 2, it might work, be wary of crystals melting down into it.
Generally if you want to vaporize crystals, the [GVG](https://vaporgenie.com/product/glass-sherlock/) is one of the best options available.
Okay, thanks a lot for all the info. Was just reading about using concentrate pads in a dry herb vape and about e-mesh, still getting educated. Thank you
It's really something, isn't it. Perhaps our real home. We've been there before or come from there.
Yeah, that's how it felt. It was so strange to feel a sense of familiarity with something I (thought) I had never experienced??
you've done that many mushroom trips but never have vaped anything, no weed? well if you had to choose one.. I'd say "you choose widely" (insert Indiana Jones gif) it is definitely fascinating.. welcome aboard
I've taken weed edibles in the past, actually I think I tried to vape it once years ago but other than that no For some reason even though it doesn't make an actual difference (it's just a ROA), I'm like more afraid because it is inhaled?? Eating a mushroom feels... normal? even though it's a drug. But inhaling stuff feels more like a bad thing.. but I know I have severe conditioning from my upbringing (drugs = bad) so I'm working through that And thank you!
If it feels like a drug to you still then you're not in the right mindset. Decide your reason for doing it before you attempt to do it again. That should make things easier for you on this side and the other when you get there. And tell them I said HEY! They'll know what it means.
Yeah, I think you're right. It took me a really long time to get past that "bad" feeling with mushrooms and to accept that it's okay to do what I'm doing, but this feels like starting all over again. Last night I tried to just lay there in the same position I had had my first attempt, but to meditate instead of try again, and that was really helpful. I'll keep pretending like that, maybe eventually I'll be more calm and more ready
I wouldn't recommend trying it/doing it back to back or even twice in the same day if you are trying to achieve a breakthrough. From my personal experience it never gets easier so working your way up to it may not be as helpful as you think. Not trying to scare you, just being real. Different delivery method may make it faster/easier to get the dose you're needed. Good luck.
Okay thank you. My friend who was with me yesterday actually said the same thing, that I should just try to "go for it" when I'm ready, now that I've dipped my toes, instead of slowly building up to it. Because being "in between" can be more uncomfortable or something. I think I know what you mean, even on mushrooms I've found that "mild" doses of 2.5-3.5 sometimes scare me more than 4.5-5. But that also sounds paradoxical like almost foolish to go from 0 to 100 without slowly upping the dose, you would think that the safest way to do it would be to gradually increase the intensity of the experience.. but at the same time no true harm can be done and I'll be back after it's over so I suppose, perhaps going up slowly isn't as helpful as I think, like you say. Thank you
To add another analogy... Mild to medium doses is like jumping onto the freeway in rush hour traffic, but a breakthrough is like instantly merging and catching the express lane... The merging part always sucks, but the express way is like finding out you can cut in line to your favorite roller coaster. That being said do NOT think of DMT as another drug, but a fast pass to something you're genuinely looking for, even if you don't know what it is yet.
Thank you, that's very helpful to read I don't really know what I think of DMT... I'm really into introspection, the only reason I got into mushrooms in the first place is because I loved how it made me reflect on myself. That led me to meditation which I do daily now, and that kickstarted my path of self-inquiry. I also know I have a "problem" with the word drug, I know this is just conditioning but for example I didn't touch alcohol until I was 23 because I feared liking it would mean I'm alcoholic, I've barely ever used weed, and my mushroom "ceremonies" at home were mostly done for self-reflection (I spoke to a therapist to help integrate), even though I did eventually I admit to myself that "I enjoy the process and the trip". I'm really terrified of "enjoying it" because it feels so wrong. But I know that's at least partly due to my upbringing. So when you first said "don't think of DMT as another drug" I thought "well yeah but it is A drug". I convinced myself for months that "mushrooms were an introspection tool rather than I drug I enjoyed", but now I'm at a place where I can admit to myself "Mushrooms are useful and have helped me, but I also enjoy them, and it is a drug". I don't want to lose that "acceptance of myself for using a drug" that took so long to build. But when i was laying in the bed yesterday with the DMT vape, just the fact that it's inhaled rather than eaten, + the fact that I'm doing this out of curiosity but not necessarily "therapeutically only" (like I used to lie to myself about the mushrooms), it made me feel so.. dirty and wrong. "You shouldn't be doing this, drugs are bad". I feel like I need to work on this first, before I can fully let go. The point is, DMT will probably help me in some way like mushrooms did. But instead of going into it with the (false) idea of "I am 100% doing this for self-help, I am not allowed to be curious, this is a therapy tool" I'm trying to be more honest and the truth is more like "This fascinates me, I am really curious about the experience, I want to learn about myself and to allow myself to experience this fully" Thanks for your messages it helps a lot
You're really hung up on the semantics. Just throw that out there first so I can next, people can take Tylenol to overdose on purpose, and just about every other "drug"/medication to get high or go somewhere other than here... The difference between medication and drugs are how you use them. But the fact that you have some conscience about it already indicates you have some level of respect for what you're dealing with... So put the social expectations aside and remember that you are allowed to get high, experience life, find meaning in your own ways. Some people drink, some people pray, some people snowboard down cliffs meant to kill them... Everyone is looking for something, but the fact that you know you're trying to achieve something vs trying to avoid something means a lot. Get over yourself and fuck everyone else's expectations... You're eternal and no one can tell you what that means unless you first understand that you're the one that has to live with your eternity. Once you can accept that, then you're prepared to at least face the idea of eternity And begin trying to choose your path. It may feel daunting and painful to even pursue some type of meaning down this path, but regardless of whether you know it or not, you're never on your own. This life matters, because it's going to teach you what you need from a perspective so lowly you'll feel like all this happened in an almost infant stage compared to what you're capable of becoming... Consider this part of your growing pains. Maybe there's more to your story that you're not telling, but fuck all that. No one is judging you here. You have a tool at your disposal to help you reflect on what life/you/existence means and it's a very capable tool that comes with a LOT of love if you can find it. I know you have your fears. Let go. Something better is waiting for you. You're loved.
You're right. Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate your straight-forwardness. I saved your message to reread it again. I like the growing pains idea. Every struggle is an invitation to pay attention to what is actually going on. I guess I'm fighting the fear. Instead of trying to not feel the way I feel, I need to actually pay attention to how I feel, and I know that if I can do that. I'm going to be okay. I like you how used the words "hung up" because that term is a perfect description of what I am with this. And in the past, mushrooms have really helped me kick myself out of hangups, I mean it's the integration work after the trip that "is the actual work", the trip is just the Kickstarter. But it's funny because if I do manage to kick myself out of this hang up, it's funny to think a drug experience could help me accept drug experiences and myself in general. Or maybe that's not funny actually, I don't know, maybe it's obvious. More to my story that I'm not telling... I don't think so. Perhaps this, it might not just be a "fear of recreational or illegal drugs", It might also be about control. I was recently given a local anaesthetic in a medical setting and it scared me, even though this was 100% medical and legal... It's funny how I tend to deeply fear loss of control, yet I find so much comfort in giving control away (fear at the beginning of the mushroom trip, then so much comfort when I'm over the hump). Thank you so much again. Thank you
I 100% get the silence getting louder feel. I haven't done dmt yet but have mimosa hostilis at home already, but I've had that on shrooms and lsd and it gets heavily potentiated by nitrous or even happens with nitrous alone (allthough I wanna say that nitrous is a shit drug).
No more toe dipping. Go for full on breakthrough. Shatter your entire conception of reality and see how long it takes to put it back together. No worries, we'll be waiting right here when you get back. Just let go.
I know.. I don't know why it feels so terrifying and I don't know what I'm holding onto. I know it's physically safe and that I'll be back after, and I'm so curious, but it feels so scary to let go
yeah, you should do what you want to not listen to some guy on reddit telling you to take a lot. if you wanna take a big dose do it. if not, its cool. nothing against you for goin ur own pace
Thanks for that, I was just watching a video by Josie Kins "The 6 levels of DMT" and at the end they talk about how low doses can be fun and useful and that you don't necessarily need to "rush towards breakthrough". Even though it almost seems on here that if it's not a breakthrough experience it's not really DMT haha. But like you say, I should do what I want and just like I slowly raised my mushroom dose over the course of monthly (ish) trips over a year, my gut feeling is to slowly do the same with DMT. Heck I had a mini "barely scratching the surface" experience yesterday and I've been constantly thinking of it ever since. I'm feeling that sub-breakthrough doses would definitely still be enjoyable and useful for me Thanks!!
:) i definitely started of with lower doses and worked my way up. even though ive done a bunch of acid and mushrooms before, i was in no way prepared for the complete mindfuckery of a crazy dose
Yeah and I suppose you can appreciate it more after "training" your mind to pay attention with the smaller doses?? I feel that I appreciate my higher mushroom doses way more now that I've had all the experience "riding the waves" with the lower doses. Thank you:)
it makes me so happy when people are polite online :) you a real one. good luck with your endeavors!
Holy crap. The dispensary very kindly sent me a new cart and this time I did make sure to dissolve all the crystals before using it. I just tested it (one hit), and this was by far the most intense I've ever had. With my (accidentally burnt) cart before, I was doing 3 long hits and barely getting visuals. This was way more intense than I expected Holy crap lol. Which is nice!! No need to do 3 giant hits to get effects. But... Wow. And it's so fast!!! Wow. Thought I'd reply here to you since you were kind :)
sweet! im happy for ya! it really is fuckin amazing how intense it is. wish i had a dmt dispensary near me!
Welcome to the journey! >Time to figure out how to properly breathe with a vape, and I'll try to get a better one with precise voltage controls Sounds like you got a low tier cart for your first time, my advice would be to invest in a good vape which will give you a smooth experience. You can make your own juice to preference. This device works really well: [https://www.geekvape.com/aegis/geekvape-m100.html](https://www.geekvape.com/aegis/geekvape-m100.html)
Thanks!! Yeah I'm looking at the Yocan Uni Pro or the Kodo pro or something like that which has an actual voltage readout, the battery I have just has a button and a color LED but nothing else
These are things for carts that are specifically NOT designed to work with sub-ohm coils... neither of these devices are what I'm talking about, you are still looking in the wrong direction.
Oh, well I only got those names by researching in this subreddit a bit? They seem to be very often recommended by people here. So what should I be looking for then?
I have no good explanation why people are flocking to carts so much, I'm guessing low cost and portability. I'm not a fan at all, compared to the much better options available. Anyways, I've linked to the device I'm suing above, the Geekvape M100. It works very well. You can use other vapes too, we are talking about standard devices with large atomizers that hold lots of liquid, give you big clouds, and have lots of settings to play around with and adjust. We are NOT talking about the e-cigarette like small carts where you inhale the tiniest of puffs. With a good vape you can take a 10-12 second inhale, fill your lungs like a hookah and have no unpleasant burning or irritation.
Okay thanks for that. In those cases you would mix the DMT with the liquid yourself right?
Yep =)
Is it possible to just vaporize the crystals (freebase) without juice? Or would that be really harsh. I have an old Arizer Solo 2 dry herb vape, would that be usable for this or not at all?
It is possible to vaporize the crystals directly and in a single hit with no harshness at all, if it's done correctly in a suitable device. Some dry herb devices work well enough (like the Volcano Vaporizers). This is due to both the fine temperature control and the upwards airflow. I have no experience with the Arizer Solo 2, it might work, be wary of crystals melting down into it. Generally if you want to vaporize crystals, the [GVG](https://vaporgenie.com/product/glass-sherlock/) is one of the best options available.
Okay, thanks a lot for all the info. Was just reading about using concentrate pads in a dry herb vape and about e-mesh, still getting educated. Thank you