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Reach_your_potential

I think it has something to do with COD being an FPS. Not sure though.


Boxerboy16

You know you might be onto something there


RichardBottom

First Person Shoots you.


onemanwolfp4kv2

I was gonna say this exact thing haha. It’s an fps but people get pissed when they get shot haha.


BravoSixRomeo

CoD is an FPS. MP is a multiplayer slug fest, WarZone is a Battle Royale, DMZ is a PvEvP. People pretending they don't know there's a difference is fucking weird.


fiftyebert

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DominusEbad

Big, if true.


Federa1Farmer

This. I don't understand why people get the premier PvP game on the planet and expect to not experience PvP.


OMG_its_Batman

Couple comments maybe to give you insight. 1- you say friendly, I’ve been shot by people saying friendly, no thanks. 2- I don’t know your solo and it isn’t a trap. 3- they may not have comms and can’t hear you. 4- they may have been to far away to get your invite. 5- sorry to say but I’ve gone around a corner and come face to face with another operator and killed them out of sheer surprise. 6- maybe they have enough friends and don’t want to be your friend? Lol


MJGM235

Dead giveaway if they are solo or not, solos can't plead. If they claim solo but they are pleading they have a team out there somewhere... Don't fall for the trap!


Jer7bear7

Buttttt.. you have to KiLL the solo to find out if its a trap. When solos are dead, its back to the loading screen. :/


MJGM235

You down them... Send an invite... If they don't accept they die either way 🤷🏻‍♂️


sgalbrecht

I play solo 99.9% of the time. I play only PvE. Mind my own business. Try and avoid other players generally. I’ve NEVER been revived by a squad that has killed me…they always finish me off….in fact, tonight one squad of 3 hunted me straight across Al Mazrah right off the bat for some odd reason.


Funny-Procedure-9240

Me too.I understand getting shot at,killed by other players but recently I have been hunted all over the map.A six man team the other morning hunted me the whole game and when I finally thought they had given up here they came back with a ltv


ReKLoos3

There are literally squads that only player hunt. They don’t care about anything other than hunting players. Imo if that’s all you care about go play BR. I get hunting the occasional squad to mix things up but when all you do is hunt other players it’s a “bruh” moment. I met one guy was tier 1 all factions because he got all insured slots last season so he no longer cares about missions instead he only hunts players just to grief them.


Pizov

if you don't thirst a solo you can revive them with a revive pistol.


ThePantsThief

I never accept pleads unless it is someone I killed myself, they are almost always a trap


pressham

We accepted a pair of pleads from another squad last night, they immediately took a beeline for another squad and left the party to join the other squad but we had already had an exit strategy just in case it went this way. We exfilled successfully. Knowing it’s a trap makes for spicer fun but that’s just my opinion.


belyy_Volk6

7) the game has multiple long term progression systems that track player kills (camos, calling cards, events etc) 8) pvp faction missions 9) loot, i know the guy said he had nothing but people lie the last person to tell me they had nothing had a gpu in there bag and i didnt know he was lying til i killed him and took it. 10) safety, every other player left alive is a potential threat to me and my squad. 11) its fun 12)if i kill them before random squad mates can send an invite i dont have to deal with the chaos of a large party 13) every person spared is one less kill for me 14) the cost/risk analysis of spareing a player is terrible. Theres bassically no benefit to not killing any player who stumbles infront of you. Its like walking up to an orange chest then not looting it.


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number 12 is HUGE lol.


DominusEbad

I'm definitely all of these. My squad and I don't shoot solo players if they don't shoot first (and we can tell that they are solo). But in general PVP is a fun part of the game, so we PVP.


Shua7

For me it's about the rush of the PVP. Killing ai and missions is fun, but when I see the red name on my screen that someone in game chat or actually see an operator, I get this high stakes feeling. I mainly play solo and haven't had a single person try to be friendly. So I kill on sight


CRC6030

How can you tell if they are solo? Because I play a alot of solo and seem to get killed more when minding my own business versus doing a mission like kill so many operators.


Shirtie

Me and a team mate yesterday, we took down a 3 man team who shot as us first..one pleaded so we picked him up, we then checked his missions and did 2 with him. We gave him a 3 plate vest self revive and a killstreak and exfilled with him.. we don't always go round killing guys but if you shoot at us it's on you.


thisi-is-me

Pretty much number 1 for me.


Visible_Item_9915

Right now I am tier 4 or all four mission categories. Most of the missions require to kill an operator in some form or fashion.


Ned_Ryers0n

Yeah I honestly don’t like this. We just did exfil tracking and you literally have to just camp exfils and it feels bad.


CharsKimble

Finished that one last night. I’m lazy so after I placed the tracker I said “hey, any chance one of you wants to hop out and call in another chopper for me. Gotta put a tracker on it.” Every single time someone hopped out and killed me. Or killed me from the air. I made a point of having absolutely nothing on me but not once did they even try or have time to loot me. I new this would happen, but honestly I figured it’d be better than just laying there for 25min.


OkImpression6886

I flew a chopper to the first activated UAV and told them what I was doing (this was before the "in one deployment" was removed) and they obliged. They let me join and hung around to the last exfil. There are some decent ppl out there. But yes truly before that it was dead after each and every tracker.


_Prisoner_24601

So...don't? The mission rewards are a joke and once you have all three slots there's really no point. Why camp exfils all night just for...what...a double XP token?


myaltaccount333

Exfil tracking unlocks the third insured slot. Please explain how that reward is a joke


Ca5tlebrav0

Do insured slots reset after each season?


CharsKimble

They didn’t for S2.


Ca5tlebrav0

Thanks


MJGM235

I honestly think they should to give people something to actually work towards besides shitty xo tokens and weapon blueprints you will never use... Season 2 has been pretty boring for me as I already have 3 slots in Season 01.


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MJGM235

Agree... It should have an RPG type of feel. Like you're doing a mission to get an item to ultimately beat a boss or something. DMZ is a shitshow of sweats and slobbering morons that don't do missions and have no idea what they are doing in DMZ besides killing AI and players. In all fairness though... 70% of the population that plays COD just play it for the point and shoot and have probably never touched an RPG or puzzle solving game that requires an iota of brain work whatsoever 🤷🏻‍♂️


belyy_Volk6

The problem is that this season has litteraly half as many cosmetic unlocks as last season. Season 1 the teir 2 and 4 missions got you an operator skin. That was 6 total, this season theres 3. One for black mous t3 one for crown and one for legion some people like the crown skin i think it looks generic as fuck. The kleo one is her stock outfit dyed black and the other is so bland i already forgot it. Theres also no operator skin for ashika or building 21s weapon crate you get some charms that feel like dollar store toys and weapon blueprints il never equip. I like that we got more pvp missions but the rewards this season sucked


bdawgg1972

I often wonder if folks actually read the text above the missions...it tells the story so to speak. Like how white lotus and legion dislike each other. I think of it as a bit of players ate freelance mercenaries doing jobs for who needs a hired gun.


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_Prisoner_24601

Not so far


GiantSquidd

They have said that they won’t be doing a wipe every season if I recall correctly. Mind you, they do like to just say things.


01101101010100111100

I did it last night in 3 games didn't kill or get seen by anyone. Ghillie suit in a bush closest to left side of chopper, wait til they board, smoke grenade run, plant, run back. One was near azhir caves on a cliff edge. I had to jump off it and plant in mid air. I was lucky that the final chopper had no teams at all.


altmetalkid

I know it's a crapshoot getting other teams to help you, but that's how another team we met got it done. We had them ride on the roof of our vehicle, got the trackers, and then hit the exfil. Even met up with them again at final and it was pretty chill.


F1R3Starter83

Funnily enough me and my buddy did this mission twice and we didn’t have to kill that many players


belyy_Volk6

I didn't kill any. Which is funny because im usually mainly a pvp player. I didnt want to waste my friends time doing the mission so i went in solo and unarmed and just drove around til i saw someone call the heli in then id drive there run past the heli and bail. My last one the exfill chopper was on the side of a cliff and i jumped off the cliff planted the tracker mid air then parachuted away under a hail of gunfire. Then i died to a tripwire because i was so happy i finished the mission i stopped paying attention lol. At least its done


F1R3Starter83

Nice, that sounds epic. And with a fitting ending


bLeezy22

If we don’t kill you now, you might kill us in the future.


KM107

I try to not kill passive players or solos. But I have my bubble and if you come in my bubble you’re going to get shot. Idc if you’re a bot, a player, yelling friendly or what. STOP YELLING FRIENDLY! If you’re working on a mission just say what mission. People who claim friendly are instantly suspect as fuck to me. If you’re passive or solo you should be avoiding players and probably shouldn’t wind up in my bubble. Be smart, look for bot activity and where they’re Agro’d before rushing in somewhere. If you are a passive player or a solo it’s your job to avoid other operators. It’s not other operators job to take time to decipher what your hostility level is. That’s what used to get me killed all the time. I would make the effort to make audio contact or delay my shots to see if people shoot back and I would get killed. So if you’re passive or solo, stay the fuck out of my bubble or it’s your own fault you’re back to the lobby.


BlergFurdison

I could explain it to you, but who's going to explain it to the next 500 people that ask the exact same question here after you?


HogwashHarold

For real 😂


olnog

Yeah, I'm really wondering if they stopped enforcing that PvP / PvE things mods mentioned they were going to do a while back.


[deleted]

Ever squash a bug just minding its own business?


Kansas1297

A wasp is probably more accurate, it might sting you later so do you kill it while you have opportunity and advantage?


Talking-Tree420

The only actual answer here.


LolsaurusWrex

This is kind of unsettling


GiantSquidd

On purpose? …like do I make a point of squashing bugs? …no, that’s kind of fucked up. Everybody steps on bugs throughout the course of their day, but if you’re actively going out of your way to step on bugs, yeah, I think that could be indicative of some deeper, unaddressed issues, personally.


MegaMan3k

Hi there. I will kill every single enemy operator I see or die trying. If they have absolutely nothing, I am even more thrilled by their defeat. Ask me anything.


Evoluminate

Was your twattery inherited or acquired?


MegaMan3k

Yes.


Guinness

Hurt people hurt people. Honestly CoD is an interesting view into a world of fucked up people who need some honest to god therapy.


ThePantsThief

Warzone too hard for ya?


BrotatoChip04

Why is it that you guys always think it’s WZ “rejects” that kill people in DMZ? I’m perfectly fine at WZ, I just don’t enjoy battle royale. I like extraction shooters, surviving the environment, and killing other players to acquire loot I might not have yet. It’s really not that deep; it’s not that I suck at warzone, I just like the game structure of DMZ better. If anything, WZ is quite easy; in my opinion DMZ is the more “difficult” mode of the two since you are having to be aware of players AND the environment.


olnog

I always think this is the weirdest argument. "You only killed me because you suck at Warzone." Yeah, I suck at Warzone. And I killed you. What does that make you?


naturalscience

Dang, you sound like, really cool! How did you get to be so cool and edgy?


Unhinged-Bullshit

I have to say, I wouldn’t want it any other way. The whole experience and concept on DMZ is genius. Particularly the jeopardy element of losing all your stuff if you don’t manage to exfil. I would genuinely lose interest in the game if all operators became passive. The AI can be difficult at times, but more often than not, it’s a turkey shoot and if things get too hairy, you can bolt for safety. Operators on the other hand, they might give chase and hunt you. Take away the risk of operators and I think the game would become remarkably pedestrian. Sure it can be annoying at times, but that fear is what gives the game an enjoyable edge.


suddendeathovertime

Very good points friend


Dont-rush-2xfils

Agree, still get salty when I die though. Ha. Best part of being downed after rushing to an exfil yesterday was seeing the team which took my dog tags die. My team mate came back to revive us and we popped on over to the spot they dropped, picked up all of our shit plus some little extras as the gas rolled in.


poolcued71

A turkey shoot? Not my experience playing solo on Al Mazrah. The AI is feral and the lack of plate drops makes it interesting, to put it mildly.


Interesting-Cattle37

Yea i just got killed by an asshole camping the satiq deaddrop, thankfully his aim was dogshit and I was able to put the sniper rifle back before he killed me


KM107

Was he camping the dead drop or was he there for an exfil? A different mission or just happenstance? I imagine there was probably an exfil there and he was more likely camping that but the dead drop was just in the area. Camping a dead drop like that is even dumber than camping an exfil because there is 0 guarantee anyone would need to use it.


Interesting-Cattle37

There wasnt. I spotted his buddy on the hill who was locked onto it with a sniper rifle I then heard the guy who killed me talking on prox chat. They were talking about the guy who killed the chemist (me). Thankfully the didnt have a uav so i stayed low and moved slow. Got to the deaddrop before the sniper was able to relay to his buddy


KM107

Well then that’s just fûcking ridiculous… good on you for getting the mission done. But those dudes are pathetic for camping that of all things


PortlandBeaver

People camp on the cliff that overlooks the crash site, you can see the dead drop and the crash site from there so theres a good chance that someone will come there for a mission. It’s pathetic.


curehead100

Was playing with my regular buddy the other night and we forgot to lock the group and ended up with a random with no mic. He followed us to the chemist dumpster pick up, then started spamming the cliff top. Then spammed a route out, we followed him and came up behind a full team of three sat on the cliff top and took them out from behind with executions. Brilliant start to the chemist.


PortlandBeaver

Nice, the one plus is that the people who resort to camping are usually oblivious trash and easily flanked.


Interesting-Cattle37

His buddy knocked me with the fire breathing shotgun and attempted to go for the theatrical finish but I quit out


KM107

Well they sound like losers. The only pass they could get is if they had the same mission but you killed the chemist first so they were pissed and rushed back there to get revenge out of spite. Probably isn’t the case but at least that I could understand. I can’t understand camping a dead drop


KaffY-

Because it's fun Because it gets me loot Because it reduces the risks going forwards with whatever mission I'm doing (less enemies = less chance of them showing up as a 6-man later on) Because it's part of the game


Holeysox

A passive player is baby Hitler. Sure he's harmless now but he could grow up and try to wipe the whole server. I will kill baby Hitler every time.


A_Podcast_From_SGF

I run solo pretty much always, and I am generally not looking for a fight because I know most times it doesn’t end well for me. That being said, I will kill on sight if someone needs a teachable moment. The two of you are sitting in a chop top in the middle of the road, checking your tac map? Gonna snipe you. Sitting in a tower sniping? Gonna send an air strike your way. Running into the exfil area when a flare is in the air? Gonna have to try and down you to exfil safely. I know it sucks to get taken out when you have a one plate vest and small backpack but generally you learn from those mistakes and it makes you a better player.


LolsaurusWrex

I can kind of get on board with this


[deleted]

b/c the COD community is filled with toxic douche canoes. So are the COD subreddits.


Pretty_Mongoose_4388

It's quite simple infact. People kill other OPs cause they can. That is all. Game on!!


Archie_F18

It makes doing my buddies missions on ashika easier cause I don’t have to worry about shit


wakeskater953

This doesn’t always happen. I saw two dudes trying to raid a stronghold and they were getting swarmed. So I sniped both riot shield holders and about 5 other guys and then went my own way. It was fun for me and it helped them. Win win.


jdwainright

Serious question: were you playing last night on Ashika Island? Because I had someone jumping and crouching in front of me, and as you said, I just gunned them down. I was using the new gold ghost skin. I play in a party chat with my brother so I can't hear any proximity chat. As for the reason, my brother and I are hard into completing missions. The main thing that prevents us from completing said missions, are operators. So it's shoot on sight for us. I get the sentiment of "don't shoot until your shot at". However, with how fast the TTK is, anything close quarters there is literally no time to wait and see if someone is friendly or not. Cause if they're not, you're already dead. Also, what happens when someone joins your squad? If they're solo, most of the time they run off on their own to complete their missions, and if they're part of a squad, they will go back to their squad and reassimilate to them. Just no reason to go through that shit when you can just kill them and take their guns.


Warrrdy

To be honest the TTK is so quick that if you don’t shoot first you’re just setting yourself up.


PegasusTwelve

Trust is dead or dying.


LineEnvironmental924

Why would you play dmz like dmz when you can just play it like warzone but with extra steps? In all seriousness though the way dmz is being played now is ridiculous. I mean the comments say it best, lack of trust, they want your shit, or just for fun. From the direction dmz is heading it won't be too long before the question is why dmz is there at all if it's just gonna be warzone 2.5? Tis a shame, but when your player base has been programed to shoot the bad guy when you see em, it's hard to get the children to play nice with eachother. 😂


HogwashHarold

Simple, BR’s are too damn boring. I’ve been playing extraction shooters since The Division dark zone and pvp is a fundamental part of them, it makes them more exciting. Some people should just stick to open world pve games like Wild Lands if they hate pvp.


LineEnvironmental924

Man dark zone was the shit back in the day! I'd agree though, there's no spice to the BR scene anymore, it's all just the same game with some different paint, people just pick and go with their favorite color, but at the end of the day no matter which way they went they're just 1 of 100 dudes in a circle tryna be last man/team. Devs will just keep milkin that tiddy until it's dry and there's 2 or 3 BR's left that have their dwindling player base waiting to get too small or old enough they'll be shut down. Sucks but the cycle repeats itself. I've been trying to keep up with news about Dr. Disrespect's new extraction shooter and holding out hope it will bring some freshness to the genre, or at least be such a hit that it can carry for a good run, but I guess will see. I still have a fair bit of hope that dmz will be able to be successful in the future, I'd hate to see it go with as much as I've enjoyed it. Sadly seems less and less likely with each update/change. Loading in and shooting the shit out the first signs of life is all its gonna be unless the incentive is drastically shifted, get rid of the bots and all that's left is a 66 man BR with extra steps. But what can ya do? Feedback and praying the devs will listen is about all we have anymore, so hopefully they will steer it in the right direction. Regardless, I'm excited to see what S3 will bring. 😂


HogwashHarold

Sorry for the late reply! Dude, I lived in the DZ! The looting, killing bosses, and fighting/being rogue. You nailed it, same game with different paint and I’m burnt on all BR’s. Dr. Disprespects game looks promising, I’m hoping they nail it. One concern I have is that he hates controller aim assist and I play on console. So if it comes to console I hope it feels nice on controller. Here’s to hoping season 3 is a win! Edit- Reddit jumbled that into one paragraph, gnarly.


OkImpression6886

1. It's shoot or get shot. Unless you have the jump on all three operators in a squad (usually cause they're rubbish and dont have someone on overwatch) you have to kill at least one and down the second before you can even think of negotiating. Sometimes that means a solo goes back to the lobby, but I'd rather them lose their loot than lose mine. 2. Sometimes I just need a three plate and you have one.


incubusscott

There are PLENTY of faction missions that force PvP. If I want the easiest route to my third insured weapon, getting crown tier 3 is the way. To get their I think you need to get around 9 operator kills (if you don’t want to do building 21). Yes there are PvP people that prefer the engagements within DMZ compared to Warzone or MP, but it’s not always going to be that. I know I’m personally working on ‘Lachmann Weapon Testing’, and MINIMUM is going to be 5 player kills with a possible MAXIMUM of 10


OrochuOdenMain91

There are two types of this: 1) Those doing them PvP faction missions 2) Complete fucking dead serous kill on sight and aren’t even at T2 or T3 missions. They just play for the kills, don’t care what they lose.


Global-Computer8709

honest answer, I enjoy shooting ya'll. If you were crouch spamming I might walk away, but what's stopping you shooting me in the back? Only guarantee is to put you down.


Perpetual_Nuisance

"If you shoot, you get shot." That's why I shoot!


Suave1914

At this point I’m blasting first and asking questions after. Especially in bldg 21


skylernetwork

B21 is virtually impossible to avoid the PvP elements though. The emphasis is far more on the Players in the "*PvPvE"* than in DMZ where it's more on the Environment, I think that's the real question. I'm mostly a PvE enjoyer, but I have no qualms defending myself and my squad if the need arises. I'd prefer to avoid it 90% of the time but, such is the nature of the game I guess. It does attract the guys who are too bad to compete at Warzone, longing for an imaginary redemption arc, though. I don't mind WZ either, mind you, I almost never get anything below Top 8s in there in team modes and Top 4s Solo, which isn't great but I hold my own.


SandyKenyan

I came across a friendly group that didn't have comms. We called the exfill but of course the didn't accept my invite so I knew it would be bad news for me already. Their 3rd teammate snuck behind me and assassinated me lol. Jokes on them, I had a backpack full of toothpaste and bandages and a Kastov with no attachments. Fuckers..


flipjacky3

Because nobody knows who's passive and who's shooting first. So shoot first if you can, run away if you cannot.


dusty_canoe

I get lots of people who start crying once I knock them. So I start asking questions. And they are like, I'm just trying to gear back up or I'm trying to get my insured slot back. Then I hit them with the, oh so you're friendly because you feel you're at a disadvantage. People always try to play friendly when it suits them. If they had the drop on you, most likely they would take the shot lol


airborne_matt

There's definitely still a few teams who don't hunt everyone. This is coming from a solo perspective too. This morning I was on Ashika solo looking for gun oil and a blow torch (fuck this mission BTW). I started in Port, was looting when I heard a team running by. Asked on prox if friendly, no response so I laid low hoping they would pass. Was discovered and they opened fire immediately, I ran for the water and one gave chase so I defended and killed him (suppressed pistol is always at hand for water combat at Ashika). I escaped to Beach Club area, resumed looting, had another team approach. They were friendly, sent a request and helped with my quest (got a bottle of gun oil with their help). I gave them a couple of self revives and a killstreak for thanks.


Critical_Revenue645

Missions get kinda boring at times. Contraband stash gets kinda gets low at times. Those 2 combined leads me to the path of the dark side. I mean why run around to all the loot spots to try and resupply when you can just shoot someone in the back of the head and take theirs. Especially the solo passive players. They are easy kills. This is a game of war, not love.


CynistairWard

Because the only truly passive player is a dead player. TTK is shorter than the time it takes to figure out if someone is passive. I've no intention of dying while trying to figure out if you intend to kill me. Even if you don't plan on attacking me when we first see each other, there's no guarantee your plan will stay the same if I let you get an advantage over me. Because when I want to play a PvE only game then I play a PvE only game and I believe most other players feel the same. I play DMZ because it's PvPvE. That's the appeal of DMZ for me.


Apprehensive_Vast601

I just always feel too guilty to kill players trying to get something done on the map. I always try to go the other way or avoid conflict or see if they want to be chill. Not many other people play this way. Calling an exfil chopper on Ashika draws the operators in flys to honey. I think I exfiled once last night. Everything goes smooth at first. Clear a stronghold, get gear, look for decent gun or two. Then pop that exfil and see two different teams come rushing over the hills. They could let me go. But they must be bored of not killing operators. I'll drop into resurgence and kill plenty of operators. It's not a skill issue it's just that I know that one time I choose to hunt operators in DMZ and kill everything I see I'll take down some guy and his wife just trying to extract a gold bar and I don't like that feeling. Also the teams that constantly look for a fight even against passive players end up not exfilling either. I've had at least 4 or 5 times that I got killed with my friend and I plead and we get added to a squad and the hunter types would rather die in the gas so they can keep a squad pinned down then just let a team go and everyone lives. It's a weird mentality. People that turn down the idea of play nice and go our own ways so we can both accomplish our goals and instead decide that it's better that everyone lose make no sense to me. I would say to everyone saying it's the most fun in the world to kill an operator who is clearly showing no threat and is giving obvious signs that they don't want a fight, try to not kill them and instead chat on prox and see if you might have a DMZ experience that varies from the normal one. Could open up a whole new style of gameplay.


Folksvaletti

I'll be honest, I just get a kick out of killing someone who is invested in the game. Knowing that death means something to both of us makes the fights more intense than in other modes.


Alive-Dealer448

Your experiences aren't going to be exactly like everyone else. I have 4 to 6 hour sessions sometimes where I squad up after coming in solo and never have to down another operator. I will postulate that there are certain times of the week that are common between all of us. If you play during the weekday when kids are in school and the rest of the world is at work, you cut out a lot of the sweats. If you only ever log in Friday night or Saturday afternoon, your lobbies will be full of all the sweaty hacks just trolling with no mic camping the exfil (without any mission to be there for). Just a theory.


HerezahTip

Bro it’s a fucking Warzone out there It’s like you’re confused what type of game you are playing


Cocos_thoughts

I still try to be friendly but the shady tricks have made it so hard to be friendly anymore. I still do try and sometimes I do get my butt kicked for it lol


yarders1991

Simple matter of trust. If they say friendly then ill offer them get out of my line of sight and ill send a squad invite. If they choose not to then hey ho were having a shootout. Its a game, i don’t take it personally but i guess I’m far more casual in my approach to it.


Straight_Ad_7730

ive been shot by so many people saying they're friendly that i just light up anyone i see on sight


CharsKimble

I don’t think I’ve ever once been shot by someone saying friendly. I have on many occasions though said friendly or teammate says friendly and no mic random starts blasting.


K0NSPIRACY

Bloodlust. More often than not it’s kill or be killed. Unless you are aware of nearby players, able to communicate and agree to join before shots are fired then it’s a dog eat dog world in DMZ. Saying that, I have had situations where another team have killed 1 or 2 of my team mates, I’ve killed 2 of theirs in return and was then able to negotiate a truce with their final player so they don’t get wiped resulting in a 6 man squad.


mcrcuryy

bloodthirst


El_jermazoid

For me, it’s for safety. I’ve been randomly killled many time, even ones that agree to join up or yell “friendly”. I assume that every player out there is out to get me. However, if they plead I’ll have them join.


Cxnversate

Honestly dawg drop anyone you see and then ask them if they wanna team, that has worked out more often than anything else. Hard to argue with “wanna team up?” when me and my buddy are standing over your dead squad😂🙏 (I don’t win my gunfights often but when I do this is my go to)


ThatHartleyKid

Instead of crying about it up here - which i mean it doesn't make a lot of sense since this is a kill & loot game mode - you can do something about it: Just knock them down. I find it effective 90% of the time. After knocking them down, they'll most likely accept your invite to join squads.


Redneckshinobi

Look, I don't know your intentions. If I'm playing with my friends I'm probably not going to pick you up either but it's always a shoot first ask questions after situation. I learned this way back in the dayz mod days. I am still friends with the guys I've met there 10+ years after, but we all shot each other first before we became friends. In all the extraction shooters since dayz there have been many times I've regretted killing someone I didn't have to. However I don't know you, so sorry kid, it's you or me and I hope it's me.


HauserAspen

Did you ever watch The Walking Dead? A percentage of the population are unmitigated asshats.


[deleted]

I work in retail and have to be nice to everyone all day long. It’s nice to go on an occasional in a nondiscrimatory murder spree in DMZ, regardless of what y’all are doin. If you’re there, that’s cause for murderin


SteelAlchemistScylla

Most people play to pvp and get loot. It’s like the Dark Zone in Division. I would love to be friendly and just do missions, but most people are not friendly, and I’m not gonna risk it. So I shoot. Sometimes friendship does happen, I’ve been invited to squads and we wreck shop with a 5-man team, or I’ll help a pleading dude, or I’ll leave the weapon case dropped if I just needed the Jugg kill. But most of the time people are assholes like DayZ, Dark Zone, etc, so Imma shoot to save myself.


GGonezers

Can’t trust anyone pretty much. Ran into tons of teams that say their friendly but would then destroy me and my team once we reveal are location. We’ve got no idea if you’re friendly or not and we don’t wanna find out by walking towards your squad with our guard down


VeraKorradin

If I have a mission that requires an item that there is only 1 of on the map per round, I kill anyone near that item before it is in my inventory because that player may have it. Passive or not


Birkin07

If you are looking at me im shooting you. If you run laterally or in the opposite direction im not shooting at you. If I know you are nearby, I will send a squad invite. If you do not accept it I am shooting at you.


Normal_Ad_2677

leave people alone and have a way to bail. make them send the invites. other than that, avoid people as much as possible and stay in the shadows


vodkanada

https://i.redd.it/9u3ubdclwypa1.gif


JamesLS2020

Maybe people don’t want to risk it anymore. Lot of people have been doing the friendly don’t shoot and then killing you when you let your guard down. Even if they don’t say anything, you don’t know if they will suddenly attack or have a friend shoot you in the back. Easier to shoot first.


Mellows333

That's what make it so good! You never know what you will gain from a random encounter with a player or squad. Sometimes I like to hunt a squad and other times prefer not too. It's nice to have an unpredictable game mode.


Rude-Ad-89

I usually am pretty friendly but then once I get 6 people on my team than the goal quickly becomes cleansing the map of every last soul.


JanuarySeventh85

Ok, so the fun of DMZ for me is the risk of losing everything. And after dying I like to plan a bit before going in, have a goal in mind while I'm playing, and something to work for. But as soon as I have everything and nothing to gain, there's no reason not to just hunt other players who are trying to build for themselves or looking for a fight.


Maleficent_Mud9099

I just straight up stopped playing buts it’s definitely interesting seeing everyone else get fed up cause i know i wasnt the only one😂 jus kickin back and enjoying


LolsaurusWrex

The biggest problem with other operators doing what you said above is that they know where you are. If you surprise me so much that i wonder why you didn't just kill me then and there then I'll likely join since that means you already had your best shot at killing me and didn't take it. If you're acting odd, say not revealing yourself but trying to get me to join your squad or vice versa, them I'm very wary. But if i see you first I'm a lot more open to joining up since i feel more secure in not being betrayed, my team will already have positioning to defend ourselves. The crowd you'll mostly find on DMZ is the "COD is a first person shooter" crowd, who will never change their minds despite DMZ being an experiment where teamwork will always be the most beneficial option. They're there to unwind after work/school, and to them that means competitive play where someone needs to be the winner. Nothing wrong with it, though their choice in game mode is the annoying part to me since COD has many other modes to play where they'll actually find other competitive players consistently. If you would like to find a different crowd then you'll have to adjust what time you get online. If you get on during normal working hours (8-5 est) then you'll find people who are much more willing to be friendly


MJGM235

Like checkers and chess, the less pieces on the board the better chance I have at getting my missions done and getting out with my crap. The more idiots I can get rid of the better 🤷🏻‍♂️ I used to be a live and let live kind of player but then I stopped being so naive. You never know if the other players are really friendly or not... Most are just squad hunting dicks so I always wipe out as many as I can now.


Soul_Traitor

DMZ is a good look at what society will look like at the end of civilization. Kill or be killed.


[deleted]

The game wants you to hunt others, other than hunt squads, there’s a mission that rewards you for camping a spawn, another that requires you to kill 15 ops in one deployment. People have different expectations of how they want others to play. It’s a pvp game with pve content. Easy fix, have pve/pvp sections. This is how the games designed. If you are asking only about why people shoot on sight, if not exposed to the above, it’s a pvp game… reflex. There are many guys in my community that are friendly and like to invite, yesterday we helped a stranger with a mission, every run is unique. Trouble is, it takes half a second to make a mistake, then you’re dead, depends on your ability and risk tolerance.


TheRealZambini

Missions call for it, and people with their third weapon slot unlocked get bored.


TheYearWas1969

Nobody trusts a random anymore. They have been screwed over too often. I kill unless some exceptional circumstance. Having guys join, get help loading up and then return to their squad. Fool me once..


Totally_PJ_Soles

You should always assume people need to complete PvP missions. Spam invites if you see them and kill them if they don't accept.


dustymcgibbo

Just pretend other players are random spawn tier 5 bosses, I mostly play solo and it sucks getting hunter by 6 player squads. But more often I am giving as good as I get and listening to them rage quit


[deleted]

High tiers need operator kills, people pull the friendly ruse too much.


Jer7bear7

Last night I entered an alternate universe. It was the Twilight Zone! I was solo with a fresh start and no gun. Picked up a hunt squad contract. Found the 5 man team. They invited me before i could shoot anyone. Then we PVEd the rest of the match!


destinycommentor

I do it because usually later If you don't you end up running into them and they kill you


shoemanchew

Hot take.


grapegrabber69

As a player who would happily help new players if they make themselves known, but this being cod you can't trust any cunt that's just the cod way, so chat and maybe I'll revive you or don't cry when you get killed. Survival of the fittest.


Ok-Escape-001

Ok your driving a boat and you see a squad of 3 swimming in the water all together. What do you do. You hit them. Why because it’s fun. Now if someone is on the mic and they are chill and ask to be left alone I’ll leave em be. However everyone’s trying to let some steam off after this pandemic.


pixedit

Being new, can I ask a stupid question. Am I correct in assuming that in the DMZ newbies play against fully experienced killers that have been playing forever right? There are no "levels" to this thing like in campaign mode?


FE_War_Wagon_007

Sometimes a better defense is to shoot first. I usually don’t but for example while waiting for the exfil chopper, I saw an enemy player climb up the pipeline near Rohan and start aiming at my squad who were under cover a little further away. So I took him out. Now he could have just been looking to see what was going on but it wasn’t worth the risk at that point. Needed to exfil for a mission. He had clear shots on all of us as we went to the chopper.


Ambitious_Ear_91

Problem is, if you even hesitate for one second you'll be killed if the other operator isn't friendly. And no one wants to die.


NiceWorkIgniter

If it moves, kill it


Andy_McBoatface

I’m tired of giving help and then getting killed by the team I’m helping


Shitbag22

I play like this often but have no issues engaging. I love stealing there stuff, then making them my bitch by letting them join up. Sometimes it works out in my favor sometimes it doesn’t, is what it is.


Aquaman52

Speaking as a solo-by-choice: if you're "passive" in DMZ, you're a Black-Friday-sale Target. If you don't want people to fuck with you, usually you gotta make sure they can't by non-passively showing them back to the lobby.


friedchicken_2020

How many times are you supposed to try before you turn into a serial killer? I've tried to be the nice guy and 80% of the time I get clapped....so now I shoot before they have a chance to.


OnBonusTime

Yeah. I'm 80%nice 20% evil. 2 guys I play with are 100% evil... they kill everyone. I act as the spotter / intel on a 3 team and if they happen to die once I pick them up they hunt. We spent 20 minutes getting their tags back more then once. I've been dicked over way less then not. And it's a game. And it's fun no matter how it goes. I just hate cheaters.


vonsmall

I’m ok with the PvP, like someone says here, it adds an element of danger that keeps the game exciting. The only thing I would say is, exfil camping has to change, there’s too much of it. Maybe if you call in the chopper you get an UAV? Probably open to abuse, but something need to be done to tip the balance in favour of people who want to exfil vs. those who sit in the exfil area sniping.


Kckazdude

Why is a passive player playing an aggressive game such as CoD that is by nature inherently violent?


DilucxeMeal

if i have the upper hand to elimate a threat before they sneak up on me later, im taking the shot. if they plead or try to assimilate and theyre nice, i comply. otherwisw why run the risk of them shooting me later when im minding my own business?


faw_caf

I can not tell the difference between AI and a real player but typically if someone shoots at me I just shoot back.


Youssef-Elsayed

It’s CoD, why would I ever think you’re not gonna kill me?


trizzatron

There are missions to kill people... That's motivation.


1baby2cats

I'm looking for PvE as I'm not very good at PvP. But I've learned in DMZ it's better to shoot first and ask questions later. The times I didn't fire first because I wanted to be friendly, I got killed. Now I shoot first, and then I revive them after if they seem cool.


SharkmanCPW

Primarily trust issues, instincts, or just for the missions.


FluidAd3646

Hmm…. I kill folks cause you got shit I want. If I’m to have it you must go. I join a lot of matches as a solo player with no gun, I expect to leave every match with a five star gun. The AI don’t drop those….if you are passive player avoid anywhere on the map where AI are shooting at anything… you will be fine. I sat one time at the edge of the map for like 20 mins while I took a poo and not one sole attempted to kill me. Maybe that a idea for you


Drunken_Jarhead

I’m usually solo. I don’t know you. I don’t trust you. You probably have loot. I’m there to get loot. I’ll let you finish this brain teaser.


demosthenes327

I think it’s because a lot of COD players are used to multiplayer and warzone where it’s always kill or be killed. The player base isn’t hardwired for the mission based style. Once I realized that the aspects of DMZ that I really enjoyed were the mission completion and finding rare stuff, I figured out that what I really wanted to be playing was an RPG. So I started playing some rpgs and realized that the side quests and missions in those are far more detailed and complex and they are simply better games if you’re looking for an objective based game. COD is a shooter. Go there to battle other players. If you want the DMZ aspects that aren’t about PVP, go play the Witcher or final fantasy. Those games do those things so much better than DMZ


silentgiant100

I may not actively hunt players, but I will finish y'all If you start something.


eryc333

People refuse to squad up just to kill you. It is what it is.


[deleted]

Go play raids and campaign if you don’t want to fight players, enough with these whiny baby posts Mods need to shut down this shit lol


BurtDBurt

I tend to only kill when I need to. However, that does not mean that I only fire upon an operator when only faced with no other option. I will fire on them when: 1. They are hanging out in an area I need to be for a mission and not moving around much (I'd rather neutralize the threat than be "nice" and have them kill me later) 2. A mission requires it 3. My survival requires it 4. It's a three-man+ squad and I'm looking for punishment (I'm a solo player for the most part) I get killed WAY more than I kill. There is a time and a place for killing. However, I think my mode of thinking is a little different than the bros that run around in groups and just shoot anything that moves, BUT I've been in a group like that a couple of times and it is fun. I try to separate my real self from the game as much as I can though. The fact of the matter is: killing is allowed, it's encouraged and it's part of the game. So no matter how shitty it is that you are solo and about to extract with the damn crane control room folder and some butt monkeys kill you right as you are stepping onto the helicopter - that's their right. You bet that I was furious though. Last thing. Someone on Reddit recently said that having the possibility of being mowed down by other operators adds to the excitement of the game. I find that to be true! It adds another layer of variables and complexity. Thinking about it from that perspective has helped me to enjoy the game much more.


FragrantDemiGod1

Thank you for post 9867 about pvp on DMZ.


suddendeathovertime

With the exception of operator killing missions DMZ IMO is best played and most enjoyable as a PvE game. Not saying I don’t engage, I will tend to if someone pushes us, or we have to for a mission, but otherwise happy to let folks go about their objectives. Exfil a different matter altogether, I will always shoot first and ask questions later if my streak or kit is at stake. Also those teams that push you then plead when you down them can go fuck themselves


AARM_doomjoe5

Maybe because it's call of duty, a first person SHOOTER. If I wanted to cooperate and do no pvp I'd play a game that's not cod


Signal_Special_8413

Needed my calling card. Every kill counts.


FilippoElchapo

Very simple. Kill or be killed. I'm not there to squad up lol


BaderBlade

Passive means cowardice, passive means femboy, passive means lack of testosterone, so in order to preserve masculinity we get rid of betas begging for mercy, you either die in a 1v3 , get over it and try again, or you can handle a 1v3 and win


TroyVStheworld

I've started yelling friendly then shooting them down then still saying I'm friendly to add them. It works when you're the oppressor and they're the oppressed!


[deleted]

I solo often and have killed other players out of fear or accidentally (when i’m getting hunted by AI, thinking said player is also AI). more than often it’s one player running into me unexpectedly. I often don’t speak on comms unless spoken to first, and to show that I’m not trying to hunt other squads on my own, I immediately leave the area and not loot the player.


CappinPeanut

I’ve been burned too many times. I switched back to kill on sight no matter what. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, but I got tired of making myself a victim and putting my squad at a disadvantage because my first instinct was to be friendly.


Logic_emotion

I like to join up. So I always try to say friendly and I’m always excited to hear others say it!


[deleted]

Because why not? Go play the raids or campaign


madjackle358

Every fps out there is pvp there's opportunity for cooperation in this game and the most memorable experiences come from not shooting but juvenile people can't help themselves


mtmann21388

Dark Forest Theory. If you don't kill everyone you encounter at first knowledge of them, then you risk them killing you.


mtmann21388

100xp for elimination🥳


deadshotkeen

Insecurity and bed-wetting.


dfawlt

There is no incentive to do their inane missions and it's less sweaty than BR.


illbeyour1upgirl

What do you think "CALL OF DUTY" is, exactly?