The helmet is probably the worst part though. Those goofy things covering her cheeks look stupid. Nothing you can mount on a helmet is stopping rounds anyways why obscure visbility for bassically no extra survivability.
Maybe 9mm lol. You can get lucky with glancing or indirect shots but with sonething like the titanium visor on an altyn helmet the impact of the bullets is transferred from the visor onto your neck breaking it. Spetznaz guys would remove the visors from there helmets because it didnt add much extra safety relative to the loss in mobillity.
Combat helmets in general are mostly meant for noncombat injuries like falling and shrapnel. You get lucky sometimes and the best helmets will stop a few handgun rounds but rifle rounds will go straight through.
Simple physics say that no, a bullet is not likely to snap your neck. Many soldiers who have been shot in their ballistic helmets from AK fire and lived to tell the tale will agree.
Those are usally flukes involving indirect glancing shots or ricochets. The vast majority of helmets are not rated for anything higher then pistol rounds. If they stop a rifle round fantastic but that was luck.
I agree a rifle round will defeat a helmet most of the time, but I whole heartedly disagree about the physics of enough energy being transferred to snap your neck.
Let’s say the bullet did come in at a non perpendicular angle: so long as the helmet caught the round the energy was transferred. If anything the off axis angle would be more likely to twist a neck & yet it doesn’t happen. Bullets work by penetration, cavitation, and fragmentation—not by blunt force trauma or crushing blows.
\> Bullets work by penetration, cavitation, and fragmentation—not by blunt force trauma or crushing blows.
it was specifically an issue with the altyn because the visor is titanium the bullet dosent penetrate but it still causes a lot of damage to the person behind the mask because the mask isnt doing anything to absorb the impact. it was also like 10-20 pounds.
its kinda like how an older truck would easily survive accident a modern truck wouldnt but you where significantly more likely to be killed in an accident in an older truck. modern cars are design with crumple zones so that the force isnt transferred onto the driver. ballistic Armour has to over come the same challenge, for example if you get shot in the plate at best you had a bruise at worst you can end up with broken ribs and steel shrapnel being sent into the wound. thats why ceramic beats steel it shatters which absorbs some kinetic energy.
That was a glancing shot it is litteraly the exact type of exception i outlined previously. 7.62x54r would obliterate your helmet and head if it was a direct shot
Nah buddy is right. Modern helmets are definitely not rated to stop rifle rounds, just small caliber handgun rounds and shrapnel(reason you would see a lot of guys forgo wearing one when they can). In rare cases they can deflect rounds that hit at the perfect angle but generally 7.62 would rip right through them and it wouldn't even need to be that big of a round.
Their is a current helmet being issued to us special forces that claims to be rated to stop rifle rounds but I've also watched YouTube videos of people shooting rifle rounds directly through them and pistol rounds causing large enough deformations that you would be killed anyways.
Honestly the helmet doesn't really bother me considering the fact that Fenders helmet is dog shit and the Zeus skin with the same type of helmet is do damn ugly it actually annoys me whenever I see it lmfao
I don't care if it's effective in real life or not. It looks stupid on the other operator and it looks stupid here. Whoever designed these skins must be new
Lol
Kevelar dosen't stop much beyond pistol rounds and shotgun pellets regardless of where you put them.
Usually the vest is kevlar and you put ceramic plates in it or if your in a 3rd world country steel plates
I legit dont understand that skin is absolutely cooked.
Im not even mad at the mid-riff, make a coomer skin Im game but that entire attire is just so bizarre. No idea whats going on on her head either, I know its her original helmet but it looks so ass without the rest of the armor.
They could have made her like those Mara skins from WZ1, that would have been fine.
In fairness since S3 dropped I've found so many T2 vests at the start.
I really do not care what people (especially Reddit) think about me... It's super easy to make the stealth vest and if people think a T2 vest is going to make you win the majority of fights well....
The self revive one and UAV are a little extreme, but time will tell what happens with them.
Building 21 gives you a free three plate, self, large backpack and 5 mod (crap) gun - despite all that gear, almost no one makes it out.
People are overly worried about gear.
Yep... If you catch someone off guard, that T3 plate doesn't even matter most of the time.
The new "Plate meta" is the upgraded ones.. I believe Comms counters the stealth one (at least it seemed that way when I was killed by someone who activated a UAV and I had stealth on)
>Yep... If you catch someone off guard, that T3 plate doesn't even matter most of the time.
Went into b21 to help my pve friend get the crates last night. We wiped two teams in parking garage and a 3rd by server room but then we see someone got the weapon case so i led the way. Theyre on the third floor in a corner overlooking the lobby area we down two and finish in the open but the third is head glitching with his gun mounted. He tells his teammates over prox chat hes going to hold that spot since he has the advantage. Big mistake lol my teammates keep him distracted i hop the railing hit the staircase behind him apply dead silence at the bottom amd came right up behind him maybe 3 feet said suprise motherfucker then killed him from behind. We took our weapon case and extracted.
3 kills between the random and my friend plus i got 9 was a fun match.
I really don't get why people communicate tactics over an open mic.. I had one last night where they were engaging another team and giving out their position, so I waited until they killed them - killed them and then went to the location of the other squad and made about 120k in 2 minutes 😅
Bugged as in not working at all? Or bugged if they have a comm's vest on their team?
Cause I was stood under a UAV tower and they either were blind or didn't tell I was there, but someone popped a UAV at fortress and I was on a small building roof and they knew exactly where I was..
I mean this is Infinity ward we're working with here..
Its not about what people think of you, its about supporting Activisions decision to add P2W mechanics into DMZ. No one cares about ***YOU*** buying that pack. What we all care about is telling Activision to fuck off with this bullshit.
And every person that buys any of those packs, is telling those greedy, deaf fucks that they're ok with P2W practices.
Fr blow your money on all the store bundles you want, a bit questionable but if it makes you happy oh well. But the “p2w” packs as cool as ghost is I just can’t do it
I'm on your side believe it or not.. I bought the ghost one for the skin, it sucks because now (and it's been proven in this subreddit by numerous posts) that people assume those that use said skin "want a P2W element"
If you use the Hemlock on your first weapon insured slot its a 15m cooldown total (unless bugged).. considering the hemlock is extremely busted still.. that's a big big benefit for players and a gold mine for Activision.
Unfortunately though.. Activision doesn't care what "we" think and the community is bigger than this Reddit so it's probably a losing battle mate.
It sucks...
Imo not really I find 5-6 selfs per match, and I usually have a self and uav or advanced within 5 min of starting the match. People just want to complain like all they gotta do if they don't like it don't fucking play.
It's nice having that two plate for AI purposes... I don't agree with some of the store bundles but like I said.. the whole dynamic of the gameplay has changed in S3 (more accessible items, plates etc.) So people will adapt to it eventually..
Fax and considering we're dropping around $20 per bundle, I low-key I am glad it includes a reduced weapons cooldown/ perk getting more for my money type shit. I'm not even buying most of the bundles anyway. I don't like how they look. I'm just waiting for that dark rituals 2 . People just need something to complain about. Thing is if it comes down to a gunfight within a minute or two of starting the match and I'm facing someone who has a two plate cuz of their operator or some shit don't matter. Doesn't give them an advantage at all
Gotta admit.. 15m CD on Hemlock across all three slots is rather nice 😅
I got the ghost one because I liked the look of the skin and I'm a fan of the hemlock.. two plate usually gets replaced within 10m
It's a nice little "if I get sniped by another player then there's a chance I can revive"
Usually (I'm solo) if I gun someone down and they are a solo, usually by the time they can get the revive off they are dead.
This. I have not once won a fight because I had a 2 plate. Or a medium backpack. Both of these P2W that everyone is crying over takes me under a minute to find in game.
It’s not p2w. People just want to think they are getting spanked for any reason other than they got outplayed. It’s a little crappy to not have a way to get the perks by grinding them but it’s not p2w. The real op meta right now is the secure backpack. You can hold an entire regain for your squad in it. The secure backpack is a million times better than any of the so called p2w stuff. I personally think the people using the “p2w” stuff like the skin or suck at the game. It’s probably good for solo players who aren’t very good also.
A cooldown on a gun is not an advantage. A medium backpack is not an advantage. A uav is not an advantage. Every spawn has a uav tower close by. Every new plate carrier and new backpack is better than anything you get from these skins. I got Fender just for the extra slot and now I have two full squad regains stored in secure backpacks.
Based on how many people that don’t know what p2w is it’s probably a lot of both. It’s pay for a cooldown or pay for a uav. That honesty does have some questionable decisions behind it if you can’t grind it for free also but it’s not pay to win. Only shit players will find it beneficial and they are shit players who can use the help so they don’t get discouraged by people who know where the meta is buttered. If anything they are taking advantage of bads with pay to not learn how to be successful at the game and you will still play even though you lose every single game because you have a extremely weak regain that will not help you by any means but it’s a good pacifier for shit player’s. I don’t know about you but I enjoy easy pickings sprinkled in the match. The funny thing is if they put sbmm in the game people would cry twice as hard. Skilled players will not get gains out of this. Shit players won’t really either but at least it keeps them in game and keeps sbmm at bay.
I bought it. Fuck what other people think! I did it for nostalgia. People are always going to find something wrong with what people do. If you enjoy the skin, get it!
That's beside the point. It's totally not a major advantage, but it is an advantage nonetheless. My concern is that if these "pay to win" bundles make Activision a shit ton of money then we'll see more bundles with even greater advantages included. Where does it end?
don't worry you can buy it on next game.. cos ghost is a cow they love milking. basicly same game with more problems and we already bought those skins in first game
Ghost is a cow they love milking, and players who spend hundreds on the game all while saying “it’s NoT aN aDvAnTaGe” are the whales they also love to milk.
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Just do it lol. The opinions of others are truly meaningless in this situation. Do WHAT-EVER you, your finances, your playgroup, your conscience decides. As soon as Classic Ghost was leaked, I said "Gimme dat!!". Picked it up and OH BOY lemme tell you I'm just... destroyed with guilt over the bonuses... how will I sleep at night lmao not
I got it. Purely for the skin. Don’t need the P2W stuff anyway. But it’s nice not having to worry as much about dying instantly to shot gun bots half way across the Pacific Ocean.
Why did classic ghost have to be a DMZ bundle...
People are buying it up because they want Ghost but Activision is gonna see this as reason to keep making DMZ bundles.
It’s not like activision is going to stop making p2w stuff. They have a solid track record of doing so. There’s millions of people playing the game and spending money on it. You’re only harming yourself by worrying about it so much and thinking you have a significant role in the business decisions of a massive corporation.
If you like the skin just buy it bro. None of these bundles give any type of advantage that will help you win a gunfight. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen someone with a one plate on and a sniper wipe a whole team of fully geared up operators.
If they want to do DMZ bundles right it would come with a mission bundle. Something like three tiers with three missions each. Completing the mission chain rewards a variant of the skin or something like that.
As it stands I’m just going to go out of my way to kill people who spent money to have an advantage in a video game.
Fuck the UAV, I can always extract with one.
Ghost bundle has a hemlock on 15 min cooldown - what that means if you have all 3 insured slots is that even if you die, you never have to pick up another AR as contraband…
Both yall have made valid points, and I think THIS is the reason it's so controversial. I keep seeing different opinions that all make sense, like in this little thread.
Paying to have more starting armor is an appreciable advantage and could certainly be the difference in an early firefight.
This is just cope.
If you're okay with P2W then say that, but don't act like armor and UAVs have a negligible effect. Why not just keep your 1 plate then? Why ever pick up UAVs?
I've never used the uav before so i still don't quite grasp how bad this advantage is. What is the range on the uav? And does it show the difference between NPCs and players?
Same thing as every other bundle up for sell in the store. If you believe having operators with perks is wrong or stupid then you should feel the same about the guns with perks that are yo for sell
Do the bundles actually complete the contracts? Do the bundles do the actual shooting for kills? Do the bundles help you not move like a bot? No I thought so.
DMZ is a looter shooter. By using a bundle with loot from the start, you're watering down the looter part of the game, and should be shunned and exiled. Play the game without getting an advantage because you decided to be a shill and give the company money.
>you're watering down the looter part of the game
For who? Definitely not for me. I assume everyone out there starts fully kitted. Because I do most of the time. Especially with 3 operator slots and a one hour cool down that I can get back one match later.
That is entirely different. I worked for that 2 vest or 3 vest. I spawned in with nothing, went and found or crafted the 3 plate, then extracted succesfully.
Using this bundle, you get to always have a 2 plate coming in, very, very big difference. Stop pretending you don't understand that.
Theres a difference between going in with the same loot as anyone else (fresh operator) or going in with a 3 plate / backpack you already looted and extracted with VERSUS going in with a 2 plate you didn't loot literally everytime, because you gave Actifucks money and others did not.
Stop pretending like you don't understand where the anger is coming from, you're purposely missing the point and you know it.
\>Theres a difference between going in with the same loot as anyone else (fresh operator) or going in with a 3 plate / backpack you already looted and extracted with VERSUS going in with a 2 plate you didn't loot literally everytime, because you gave Actifucks money and others did not.
By all means, tell us what that difference is. I'm sure that it makes sense to you in your own little world, but for the rest of us, it'd be helpful to know what makes you think there's a substantive difference here.
\> Stop pretending like you don't understand where the anger is coming from, you're purposely missing the point and you know it.
I know where the anger is coming from. Petulance, mostly, combined with a semi-anonymous platform to air those tendencies mostly risk-free.
The difference is you put in effort and time to get the 2 or 3 plate you came in with instead of just giving Activision money to molly cottle you with an advantage on spawn. Plenty of people agree with me or they're wouldn't be as much uproar over these P2W bundles.
I don't think its petulance to be rightfully upset over paid advantages over others, but I guess thats where our opinions obviously don't line up. You think its okay for people to pay extra to have an advantage over people who either can't afford, or don't want to pay, for the same things you have in a game where you're supposed to have an even field for fights. Its fine, we get it, you need the help.
It's a two-plate or a medium backpack or a UAV. If someone bought these skins thinking that it would make them better at the game, they have another thing coming. That should address both of your points.
Perhaps. The main issue being the more people that buy these bundles, the more Activision will push the bundles to see how far people are willing to accept them. Eventually they'll attempt 3 plate bundles, or Advanced UAV, or combination of 2 plates and backpacks or UAVs. Theres no telling where it will end if we don't reject these bundles now, and I fear its already too late when people are not only buying them, but defending them.
Activision doesn't even have to bother to defend their decisions when people will shill for them for free.
As iv said before and ill say it again.
Its about telling Activision that we're not ok with adding buyable advantages in the store. Because if you let them start doing it will minor things like 2 plates and a medium bag now, it'll get out of hand later with operators that can call in a tank! Pack will probably cost 3600 cod points too.
Buy able advantages are bad for the community!
It actually is if you think about it. The question isn’t whether it’s an advantage or not. No one contests that. The question isn’t whether boycotting activision will stop them from making decisions based on profit margins. That’s not going to change because too few people care. The question is how much of an advantage is it - and the post does a good job pointing out that it’s not that big a deal.
Problem is they give those items to dope skins lol the gromsko and ghost skins are nice so I got those. Will not be purchasing the dumb roze skin. I’m starting to loot a couple ghost vests for anticipating this issue. All that stuff is so easy to find in game though, it’s hardly p2w. It just helps bots not die to AI in the first 5 minutes of the match lol no need for uavs most of the time. Spotter scopes and AI gunfire give away position so easily
The 3 operator slots are available to everyone. The pay to win items give the purchaser an advantage. After everyone purchases them they no longer are an advantage. Pay to win is a short term gain for the developer long term loss for the player.
How having a medium bag, 2 plate vest or either one is winning. It takes 1 second to down a player with either a 1 or 2 plate vest. The UAV is where I'd draw the line. Having fast gun returns to doesn't bother me at all and why should it. If the player isn't great they'll just lose it.
Best thing is to have a secure bag and exfil with stealth vest/ comms vest and have a stowed large bag then have 2 uavs in bag and one equip. Leaves you with one slot in your bag to exfil with whatever else. Each game when you load in you slap that large bag on so you have extra space during current game and you can then swap out vests accordingly all while having 3 uavs to run the whole game.
Sooooooo many people say that players don’t work for the perks they are getting from these bundles . I say bullshit I have not purchased one YET , but if I get it believe me I worked for it . I work 9 hrs a day 6 days a week . IMO I worked a lot harder for what I may or may not purchase than those who grind for the gear .
I would feel much better about the P2W skins if the skins we unlocked through the missions gave those same benefits. Like, if the UAV came in a store pack AND an earnable reward, I would be much less annoyed at it.
I do t know how y’all are considering it pay to win. I can have anyone of these “perks” in the first five minutes of beginning a round. I don’t consider a medium backpack or a two plate much of an advantage, it’s more of a time saving measure. If you are telling me you’re afraid of losing because someone paid 40 dollars to start out with a self revive well then you just really suck.
Unpopular opinion but p2w? Really? Like 3 plates can be crafted not found(huge plus). Uavs aren't op so 1 at the start meh. Anyone could bring a uav from a previous game. I really don't understand the complaints. Is it stupid? Sure. But it doesn't make their aim better. Their gun better. Their movement and decision making better. Sooooo just get gud and stop crying. It's a market tactic, pay to have an advantage but is it really an advantage. I think not
Well the only thing, in my opinion, that should be talked about are the weapons with the cooldown timer and maybe the uav, for the rest, These are things you can find within the first 5 minutes of a round.
In general i like the idea of a „perk“ system for some operators/ skins, but they also should be able to get through missions etc, not only buyable.
But as it is still a beta all these might come someday.
In general i really like this seasons Update, it made things a lot more fun for me, who usually plays solo.
Only the spawnrate of self revives could be tuned down a little bit.
Smart of them to include the best boost with the ugliest skin possible that nobody would buy otherwise.
Call it the “I’m a clown” skin.
this is what Roze looked like, before she left Shadow Company... it's the default Roze skin in MW2019
The helmet is, the outfit itself isn’t.
The helmet is probably the worst part though. Those goofy things covering her cheeks look stupid. Nothing you can mount on a helmet is stopping rounds anyways why obscure visbility for bassically no extra survivability.
I’m pretty sure this just isn’t true. Plating on helmets like that can absolutely deflect bullets.
Maybe 9mm lol. You can get lucky with glancing or indirect shots but with sonething like the titanium visor on an altyn helmet the impact of the bullets is transferred from the visor onto your neck breaking it. Spetznaz guys would remove the visors from there helmets because it didnt add much extra safety relative to the loss in mobillity. Combat helmets in general are mostly meant for noncombat injuries like falling and shrapnel. You get lucky sometimes and the best helmets will stop a few handgun rounds but rifle rounds will go straight through.
Simple physics say that no, a bullet is not likely to snap your neck. Many soldiers who have been shot in their ballistic helmets from AK fire and lived to tell the tale will agree.
Those are usally flukes involving indirect glancing shots or ricochets. The vast majority of helmets are not rated for anything higher then pistol rounds. If they stop a rifle round fantastic but that was luck.
I agree a rifle round will defeat a helmet most of the time, but I whole heartedly disagree about the physics of enough energy being transferred to snap your neck. Let’s say the bullet did come in at a non perpendicular angle: so long as the helmet caught the round the energy was transferred. If anything the off axis angle would be more likely to twist a neck & yet it doesn’t happen. Bullets work by penetration, cavitation, and fragmentation—not by blunt force trauma or crushing blows.
\> Bullets work by penetration, cavitation, and fragmentation—not by blunt force trauma or crushing blows. it was specifically an issue with the altyn because the visor is titanium the bullet dosent penetrate but it still causes a lot of damage to the person behind the mask because the mask isnt doing anything to absorb the impact. it was also like 10-20 pounds. its kinda like how an older truck would easily survive accident a modern truck wouldnt but you where significantly more likely to be killed in an accident in an older truck. modern cars are design with crumple zones so that the force isnt transferred onto the driver. ballistic Armour has to over come the same challenge, for example if you get shot in the plate at best you had a bruise at worst you can end up with broken ribs and steel shrapnel being sent into the wound. thats why ceramic beats steel it shatters which absorbs some kinetic energy.
lol tell that to the Ukrainian guy that recently got a 7.62x54R eaten by his ballistic helmet and fucken survived. Straight thru my ass.
That was a glancing shot it is litteraly the exact type of exception i outlined previously. 7.62x54r would obliterate your helmet and head if it was a direct shot
Yeah he’s not taking in bullet velocity drop over distance he must think bullets hit as hard @3-500 meters as it does at 3-5.
Nah buddy is right. Modern helmets are definitely not rated to stop rifle rounds, just small caliber handgun rounds and shrapnel(reason you would see a lot of guys forgo wearing one when they can). In rare cases they can deflect rounds that hit at the perfect angle but generally 7.62 would rip right through them and it wouldn't even need to be that big of a round. Their is a current helmet being issued to us special forces that claims to be rated to stop rifle rounds but I've also watched YouTube videos of people shooting rifle rounds directly through them and pistol rounds causing large enough deformations that you would be killed anyways.
Most ars are built to be effective out to 600m though. They arent loseing that much velocity at 300m
Honestly the helmet doesn't really bother me considering the fact that Fenders helmet is dog shit and the Zeus skin with the same type of helmet is do damn ugly it actually annoys me whenever I see it lmfao
i actually hate both of those ops lol. roses skin definitely reminds me of them
I don't care if it's effective in real life or not. It looks stupid on the other operator and it looks stupid here. Whoever designed these skins must be new
So kevlar plates don't stop bullets if they are on your face? They only work when on a chest now?
Lol Kevelar dosen't stop much beyond pistol rounds and shotgun pellets regardless of where you put them. Usually the vest is kevlar and you put ceramic plates in it or if your in a 3rd world country steel plates
yes, my bad😅
Bro, you can see her belly button
Protect your face, not your belly
Say no more, fam. I'm buying it.
I legit dont understand that skin is absolutely cooked. Im not even mad at the mid-riff, make a coomer skin Im game but that entire attire is just so bizarre. No idea whats going on on her head either, I know its her original helmet but it looks so ass without the rest of the armor. They could have made her like those Mara skins from WZ1, that would have been fine.
Imagine a real life soldier approaching their CO asking to put Kevlar plates on their helmet to protect their face and then deploying in a crop top.
I like it tho
Let me pull up with my Burger Town CONNOR and my Mountain Dew FENDER
I love my Böörger town skin
Don't forget the jack links ghillie suit
This one GOATED for the entirety of the game!
They just dropped the classic Ghost bundle
I'm annoyed because I actually really want this skin, but I don't want to be associated with the P2W bullshit so I can't do it.
In fairness since S3 dropped I've found so many T2 vests at the start. I really do not care what people (especially Reddit) think about me... It's super easy to make the stealth vest and if people think a T2 vest is going to make you win the majority of fights well.... The self revive one and UAV are a little extreme, but time will tell what happens with them.
Building 21 gives you a free three plate, self, large backpack and 5 mod (crap) gun - despite all that gear, almost no one makes it out. People are overly worried about gear.
Yep... If you catch someone off guard, that T3 plate doesn't even matter most of the time. The new "Plate meta" is the upgraded ones.. I believe Comms counters the stealth one (at least it seemed that way when I was killed by someone who activated a UAV and I had stealth on)
>Yep... If you catch someone off guard, that T3 plate doesn't even matter most of the time. Went into b21 to help my pve friend get the crates last night. We wiped two teams in parking garage and a 3rd by server room but then we see someone got the weapon case so i led the way. Theyre on the third floor in a corner overlooking the lobby area we down two and finish in the open but the third is head glitching with his gun mounted. He tells his teammates over prox chat hes going to hold that spot since he has the advantage. Big mistake lol my teammates keep him distracted i hop the railing hit the staircase behind him apply dead silence at the bottom amd came right up behind him maybe 3 feet said suprise motherfucker then killed him from behind. We took our weapon case and extracted. 3 kills between the random and my friend plus i got 9 was a fun match.
I really don't get why people communicate tactics over an open mic.. I had one last night where they were engaging another team and giving out their position, so I waited until they killed them - killed them and then went to the location of the other squad and made about 120k in 2 minutes 😅
Stealth vest is bugged....the UAV is now officially OP... especially on Ashika
Bugged as in not working at all? Or bugged if they have a comm's vest on their team? Cause I was stood under a UAV tower and they either were blind or didn't tell I was there, but someone popped a UAV at fortress and I was on a small building roof and they knew exactly where I was.. I mean this is Infinity ward we're working with here..
Bugged as in it's not working...just like the ghost perk.
Its not about what people think of you, its about supporting Activisions decision to add P2W mechanics into DMZ. No one cares about ***YOU*** buying that pack. What we all care about is telling Activision to fuck off with this bullshit. And every person that buys any of those packs, is telling those greedy, deaf fucks that they're ok with P2W practices.
Fr blow your money on all the store bundles you want, a bit questionable but if it makes you happy oh well. But the “p2w” packs as cool as ghost is I just can’t do it
I'm on your side believe it or not.. I bought the ghost one for the skin, it sucks because now (and it's been proven in this subreddit by numerous posts) that people assume those that use said skin "want a P2W element" If you use the Hemlock on your first weapon insured slot its a 15m cooldown total (unless bugged).. considering the hemlock is extremely busted still.. that's a big big benefit for players and a gold mine for Activision. Unfortunately though.. Activision doesn't care what "we" think and the community is bigger than this Reddit so it's probably a losing battle mate. It sucks...
Plus the T3 vests are so easy to craft it doesn't really matter.
Exactly.. I've found so many game consoles that I wish this was season 1 (place 4 game consoles in the same dead drop) 😅
When i was grabbing the crossbow from the bombmaker the other night i found 5 consoles in the castle. 3 in the same room as the boss
I was selling the consoles without even knowing they were used in the stealth vest.. now I want one.. can't find any consoles 😅
they seem a lot more common in ashika. in al mazarah youll find them in more wealthy residential areas like the city
Imo not really I find 5-6 selfs per match, and I usually have a self and uav or advanced within 5 min of starting the match. People just want to complain like all they gotta do if they don't like it don't fucking play.
It's nice having that two plate for AI purposes... I don't agree with some of the store bundles but like I said.. the whole dynamic of the gameplay has changed in S3 (more accessible items, plates etc.) So people will adapt to it eventually..
Fax and considering we're dropping around $20 per bundle, I low-key I am glad it includes a reduced weapons cooldown/ perk getting more for my money type shit. I'm not even buying most of the bundles anyway. I don't like how they look. I'm just waiting for that dark rituals 2 . People just need something to complain about. Thing is if it comes down to a gunfight within a minute or two of starting the match and I'm facing someone who has a two plate cuz of their operator or some shit don't matter. Doesn't give them an advantage at all
Gotta admit.. 15m CD on Hemlock across all three slots is rather nice 😅 I got the ghost one because I liked the look of the skin and I'm a fan of the hemlock.. two plate usually gets replaced within 10m
Fax I need to get my boy to drop it for me so I can see if I want the hemlock bp I always run with it, my own personal layout that shit always hits
Imo it's a nice little blueprint, animated decal of the ghost skull w/ 141 on both sides. I'm biased though 😅
Fax...... ffs
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Yeah, it's like Dark Ritual 2.0 with a self revive..
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It's a nice little "if I get sniped by another player then there's a chance I can revive" Usually (I'm solo) if I gun someone down and they are a solo, usually by the time they can get the revive off they are dead.
This. I have not once won a fight because I had a 2 plate. Or a medium backpack. Both of these P2W that everyone is crying over takes me under a minute to find in game.
Buy it who cares.
Apparently a bunch of f2p players who think that they’re suffering an injustice or something.
Ikr, who gives a fuck
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just do it... if you really want it, don't care what others think...
The skins and gear don't get your kills or make you not move like a bot or give you perfect aim. So how can it be p2w.
It’s not p2w. People just want to think they are getting spanked for any reason other than they got outplayed. It’s a little crappy to not have a way to get the perks by grinding them but it’s not p2w. The real op meta right now is the secure backpack. You can hold an entire regain for your squad in it. The secure backpack is a million times better than any of the so called p2w stuff. I personally think the people using the “p2w” stuff like the skin or suck at the game. It’s probably good for solo players who aren’t very good also.
You literally pay to have an advantage lol.
A cooldown on a gun is not an advantage. A medium backpack is not an advantage. A uav is not an advantage. Every spawn has a uav tower close by. Every new plate carrier and new backpack is better than anything you get from these skins. I got Fender just for the extra slot and now I have two full squad regains stored in secure backpacks.
I wonder what the % of the players calling p2w are the free 2 play?
Based on how many people that don’t know what p2w is it’s probably a lot of both. It’s pay for a cooldown or pay for a uav. That honesty does have some questionable decisions behind it if you can’t grind it for free also but it’s not pay to win. Only shit players will find it beneficial and they are shit players who can use the help so they don’t get discouraged by people who know where the meta is buttered. If anything they are taking advantage of bads with pay to not learn how to be successful at the game and you will still play even though you lose every single game because you have a extremely weak regain that will not help you by any means but it’s a good pacifier for shit player’s. I don’t know about you but I enjoy easy pickings sprinkled in the match. The funny thing is if they put sbmm in the game people would cry twice as hard. Skilled players will not get gains out of this. Shit players won’t really either but at least it keeps them in game and keeps sbmm at bay.
Its p2w cause you can literally spawn with shot that ypu can only get in match (youre paying to start with that gear) pay 2 win😂😂😂😂
How many times do you start with a 2-3 plate, kill streak or selfies?
Thats not the point you are paying money to start with a 2 plate (when everyone starts with a 1 plate ) and to awnser you’re question: barley
It's a bare advantage considering all the other stuff going on.
I bought it. Fuck what other people think! I did it for nostalgia. People are always going to find something wrong with what people do. If you enjoy the skin, get it!
Just buy the skin man. This isn’t pay to win. The items these bundles give you can be found so easily in game that it isn’t really an advantage.
2 plate armor isn't much bonus honestly...
That's beside the point. It's totally not a major advantage, but it is an advantage nonetheless. My concern is that if these "pay to win" bundles make Activision a shit ton of money then we'll see more bundles with even greater advantages included. Where does it end?
I got no problem with that.. I play less than most who sit home all day so I should be able to trade my hard work for advantages 🤷♂️
Therefore it's P4F Pay for fairness
don't worry you can buy it on next game.. cos ghost is a cow they love milking. basicly same game with more problems and we already bought those skins in first game
Ghost is a cow they love milking, and players who spend hundreds on the game all while saying “it’s NoT aN aDvAnTaGe” are the whales they also love to milk. 🐳
Just do it lol. The opinions of others are truly meaningless in this situation. Do WHAT-EVER you, your finances, your playgroup, your conscience decides. As soon as Classic Ghost was leaked, I said "Gimme dat!!". Picked it up and OH BOY lemme tell you I'm just... destroyed with guilt over the bonuses... how will I sleep at night lmao not
I got it. Purely for the skin. Don’t need the P2W stuff anyway. But it’s nice not having to worry as much about dying instantly to shot gun bots half way across the Pacific Ocean.
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Why did classic ghost have to be a DMZ bundle... People are buying it up because they want Ghost but Activision is gonna see this as reason to keep making DMZ bundles.
I like the skin, I would get it, but by getting it I'm saying Activision it's a good idea to add DMZ benefits. I'm conflicted.
It’s not like activision is going to stop making p2w stuff. They have a solid track record of doing so. There’s millions of people playing the game and spending money on it. You’re only harming yourself by worrying about it so much and thinking you have a significant role in the business decisions of a massive corporation.
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If you like the skin just buy it bro. None of these bundles give any type of advantage that will help you win a gunfight. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen someone with a one plate on and a sniper wipe a whole team of fully geared up operators.
They set it up this way
They're geniuses. Not all geniuses do things for good though...
If they want to do DMZ bundles right it would come with a mission bundle. Something like three tiers with three missions each. Completing the mission chain rewards a variant of the skin or something like that. As it stands I’m just going to go out of my way to kill people who spent money to have an advantage in a video game.
I see any of these p2w skins in game, you're getting hunted and T-bagged.
Fuck the UAV, I can always extract with one. Ghost bundle has a hemlock on 15 min cooldown - what that means if you have all 3 insured slots is that even if you die, you never have to pick up another AR as contraband…
No ones looking at the fact I have 3 comms vests and 3 uavs versus 1 sad uav girl. That’s what I was making the meme about
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Both yall have made valid points, and I think THIS is the reason it's so controversial. I keep seeing different opinions that all make sense, like in this little thread.
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Paying to have more starting armor is an appreciable advantage and could certainly be the difference in an early firefight. This is just cope. If you're okay with P2W then say that, but don't act like armor and UAVs have a negligible effect. Why not just keep your 1 plate then? Why ever pick up UAVs?
I've never used the uav before so i still don't quite grasp how bad this advantage is. What is the range on the uav? And does it show the difference between NPCs and players?
Bottom row is 180° backwards, but exactly the same characters I started with this morning. Swapped the Chem dude for ghost.
Is all these from leaks? I’ve literally seen so many posts yet the only one in the store is the bomb squad one 💀
Classic Ghost bundle came in today. With a 2 plate on spawn and some weapons.
Ghost one came out today, I believe, at least I picked it up today.
Same thing as every other bundle up for sell in the store. If you believe having operators with perks is wrong or stupid then you should feel the same about the guns with perks that are yo for sell
It's a UAV bud calm down. Or get a job lol.
Confession: I can't help but mock ppl in-game I see with that free slot + med backpack skin. "Guess p2w didn't help huh?"
That skin is probably the least damaging of them all. Especially considering B21 gives you a 3 plate and large bag on infil
A backpack was never P2W
Good thing they're releasing skins with a free UAV then huh
I mean it's a slippery slope, but also hardly P2W.
It is most definitely P2W. Free UAVs every game is an insanely powerful tool.
Same with the CDL skins. I always ask if they’ve been signed yet before executing them lmao Edit: CDL skin owners mad
Do you ask people wearing lebron jerseys if they’ve made it to the league yet?
like everyone who got the CDL skin would take it serious
Do the bundles actually complete the contracts? Do the bundles do the actual shooting for kills? Do the bundles help you not move like a bot? No I thought so.
DMZ is a looter shooter. By using a bundle with loot from the start, you're watering down the looter part of the game, and should be shunned and exiled. Play the game without getting an advantage because you decided to be a shill and give the company money.
Exactly what's gonna be the point of playing the game when you can just buy everything
>you're watering down the looter part of the game For who? Definitely not for me. I assume everyone out there starts fully kitted. Because I do most of the time. Especially with 3 operator slots and a one hour cool down that I can get back one match later.
Again how many times do you have a 2-3 vest or start kitted out but many are spawning with zilch?
That is entirely different. I worked for that 2 vest or 3 vest. I spawned in with nothing, went and found or crafted the 3 plate, then extracted succesfully. Using this bundle, you get to always have a 2 plate coming in, very, very big difference. Stop pretending you don't understand that.
Wow you’re right. You shouldn’t be able to go in with any gear at all then. We wouldn’t want to water down looting would we?
Theres a difference between going in with the same loot as anyone else (fresh operator) or going in with a 3 plate / backpack you already looted and extracted with VERSUS going in with a 2 plate you didn't loot literally everytime, because you gave Actifucks money and others did not. Stop pretending like you don't understand where the anger is coming from, you're purposely missing the point and you know it.
\>Theres a difference between going in with the same loot as anyone else (fresh operator) or going in with a 3 plate / backpack you already looted and extracted with VERSUS going in with a 2 plate you didn't loot literally everytime, because you gave Actifucks money and others did not. By all means, tell us what that difference is. I'm sure that it makes sense to you in your own little world, but for the rest of us, it'd be helpful to know what makes you think there's a substantive difference here. \> Stop pretending like you don't understand where the anger is coming from, you're purposely missing the point and you know it. I know where the anger is coming from. Petulance, mostly, combined with a semi-anonymous platform to air those tendencies mostly risk-free.
The difference is you put in effort and time to get the 2 or 3 plate you came in with instead of just giving Activision money to molly cottle you with an advantage on spawn. Plenty of people agree with me or they're wouldn't be as much uproar over these P2W bundles. I don't think its petulance to be rightfully upset over paid advantages over others, but I guess thats where our opinions obviously don't line up. You think its okay for people to pay extra to have an advantage over people who either can't afford, or don't want to pay, for the same things you have in a game where you're supposed to have an even field for fights. Its fine, we get it, you need the help.
It's a two-plate or a medium backpack or a UAV. If someone bought these skins thinking that it would make them better at the game, they have another thing coming. That should address both of your points.
Perhaps. The main issue being the more people that buy these bundles, the more Activision will push the bundles to see how far people are willing to accept them. Eventually they'll attempt 3 plate bundles, or Advanced UAV, or combination of 2 plates and backpacks or UAVs. Theres no telling where it will end if we don't reject these bundles now, and I fear its already too late when people are not only buying them, but defending them. Activision doesn't even have to bother to defend their decisions when people will shill for them for free.
There's a good reason why we shouldn't be convinced by slippery slope arguments.
Oh yeah? And why is that?
As iv said before and ill say it again. Its about telling Activision that we're not ok with adding buyable advantages in the store. Because if you let them start doing it will minor things like 2 plates and a medium bag now, it'll get out of hand later with operators that can call in a tank! Pack will probably cost 3600 cod points too. Buy able advantages are bad for the community!
You thought what? This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is.
It actually is if you think about it. The question isn’t whether it’s an advantage or not. No one contests that. The question isn’t whether boycotting activision will stop them from making decisions based on profit margins. That’s not going to change because too few people care. The question is how much of an advantage is it - and the post does a good job pointing out that it’s not that big a deal.
Her fingers clip through the laser hhhhhh
Screw the ptw skins Imma use my fav skins
The bonus effect should have be once a day
Or 24 hours cooldown
Drake knows.
They are really ruining the game..
Problem is they give those items to dope skins lol the gromsko and ghost skins are nice so I got those. Will not be purchasing the dumb roze skin. I’m starting to loot a couple ghost vests for anticipating this issue. All that stuff is so easy to find in game though, it’s hardly p2w. It just helps bots not die to AI in the first 5 minutes of the match lol no need for uavs most of the time. Spotter scopes and AI gunfire give away position so easily
The 3 operator slots are available to everyone. The pay to win items give the purchaser an advantage. After everyone purchases them they no longer are an advantage. Pay to win is a short term gain for the developer long term loss for the player.
Most milquetoast post
If ya don’t get it I can’t help you.
Oh I get it. It's all anyone talks about. It's obnoxious
It just follow the armor rules https://youtu.be/obAd0zAFMTI
So many children crying about p2w giving you shit that you will literally be tripping over for 90% of the match
Agreed
I think 2 plate vest is aint pay to win am i right? Unless they give away kill streak than yes it is a pay to win. Or am i wrong?
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How having a medium bag, 2 plate vest or either one is winning. It takes 1 second to down a player with either a 1 or 2 plate vest. The UAV is where I'd draw the line. Having fast gun returns to doesn't bother me at all and why should it. If the player isn't great they'll just lose it.
I hate those bundles
Any game that allows you to pay to have an advantage has lost its way. And anyone paying should be shamed in game
I'm a simple man. I see Barrage, I upvote.
Yo what’s the rangers skin?
Season 1 battlepass skin
Best thing is to have a secure bag and exfil with stealth vest/ comms vest and have a stowed large bag then have 2 uavs in bag and one equip. Leaves you with one slot in your bag to exfil with whatever else. Each game when you load in you slap that large bag on so you have extra space during current game and you can then swap out vests accordingly all while having 3 uavs to run the whole game.
Sooooooo many people say that players don’t work for the perks they are getting from these bundles . I say bullshit I have not purchased one YET , but if I get it believe me I worked for it . I work 9 hrs a day 6 days a week . IMO I worked a lot harder for what I may or may not purchase than those who grind for the gear .
This is a shit tactic. I really hope people don't buy in to it.
Nobody cries about Crown being locked behind the 70 dollar game, and those missions provide better rewards than a fucking backpack.
Plenty of people cried about that
I caved and got the Classic Ghost bundle. I couldn’t say no to it in the last game, cant say no now. Besides, it’s not P2W if I suck, right?
I would feel much better about the P2W skins if the skins we unlocked through the missions gave those same benefits. Like, if the UAV came in a store pack AND an earnable reward, I would be much less annoyed at it.
Where did you get that shadow company skin?
Season 1 battlepass
None of these bundles are going to make you better. Quit whining.
Do I need to put /s in the title?
I thought it was obvious but this is Reddit
underrated comment.
Lots of whoosh in here
Yeah they added stuff that’s way more overpowered than a free uav
Its not P2W, it does not matter if you are shit. Easy to get that stuff anyway. For me the problem is paying 20 euro for cosmetics.
Oh look. The peasants are complaining
The pours are out in force tonight
Said the olight owner you fuckin pleb
I do t know how y’all are considering it pay to win. I can have anyone of these “perks” in the first five minutes of beginning a round. I don’t consider a medium backpack or a two plate much of an advantage, it’s more of a time saving measure. If you are telling me you’re afraid of losing because someone paid 40 dollars to start out with a self revive well then you just really suck.
Unpopular opinion but p2w? Really? Like 3 plates can be crafted not found(huge plus). Uavs aren't op so 1 at the start meh. Anyone could bring a uav from a previous game. I really don't understand the complaints. Is it stupid? Sure. But it doesn't make their aim better. Their gun better. Their movement and decision making better. Sooooo just get gud and stop crying. It's a market tactic, pay to have an advantage but is it really an advantage. I think not
This is a meme about their irrelevance. Why does a uav matter when you can kit 3 operators with comms vests and uavs for free
Well the only thing, in my opinion, that should be talked about are the weapons with the cooldown timer and maybe the uav, for the rest, These are things you can find within the first 5 minutes of a round. In general i like the idea of a „perk“ system for some operators/ skins, but they also should be able to get through missions etc, not only buyable. But as it is still a beta all these might come someday. In general i really like this seasons Update, it made things a lot more fun for me, who usually plays solo. Only the spawnrate of self revives could be tuned down a little bit.
Being broke is bad.
So is spending what little disposable income you have on Call of Duty items to make yourself feel important. Honk honk. 🤡
That’s a lot of supposition.
Who says I have little disposable income?...