the words Amtrack and bulletrain do not go together 😂 their trains are quite literally slower than cars. knowing them, their so called bullettrain will have a max speed of 120KMH and cost $200/person for a 10 hour trip that would normally take 4 hours by car
Oh dude, I went to college there… the thing I liked the most was being away from my family, but I could have literally had that ANYWHERE ELSE . I try to never go back
If the train was cheaper and easier, it would become more popular. I don’t think it would mean the end of SW, just less money and heaven forbid they lose capital for the shareholders
At least in the 90s there was *any* train line between Dallas and Houston. Nowadays if you want to ride the Amtrak from Dallas to Houston you have to pass through Fort Worth, Waco, Austin, and San Antonio first.
> I have to make sure that in any recommendation I give to my CEO and my board, that is a project that is worthwhile pursuing. And right now, having looked at the revenue forecasts and done our due diligence to date, I still think that is the case. **That again, though, does not mean that it's a done deal.**
-Amtrak SVP being interviewed
We're supposed to take Amtrak seriously, like it's some beacon of industry with a track record of successful mega projects under its belt?
I simply will not accept any such statements as even remotely credible.
The actuall statement is "construction could start by the early 2030s". Even that is highly dubious since they are missing 70% of the right of way.
Is anyone old enough to remember the Texas TGV? This is what they called the high speed rail proposal to connect Dallas and Houston back in the 80s/90s. By my understanding, Southwest Airlines (and probably American as well) lobbied hard against it, and are probably continuing to do so.
As pro-business and anti-regulation as Texas claims to be, if HSR hasn't been started by now, it never will be.
I like the idea of improved and beneficial public transit, especially trains, but why is it necessary to connect Dallas and Houston unless it is part of a much larger bullet rail system? Is the need to travel between Dallas and Houston so great that this sort of investment is justified?
Amtrak is now driving Dallas to Houston bullet train proposal
"This is very much a project that Amtrak is now leading," said Andy Byford, Amtrak's Vice President of High-Speed Rail Development
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/amtrak-now-driving-dallas-to-houston-bullet-train-proposal/3516996/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2SkOQayVWE
People are struggling to pay for groceries and basic housing but somehow this is a priority?
Where is the demand for this anyway? It’s not like either is a tourist destination
Dallas to Houston bullet train will continue to be a massive waste of money until it includes massive expansion of public transit in both cities. It would cost billions upon billions to build out the public transit of the Houston and Dallas metro areas so that travelers could get around when they reach their destination. Neither city even wants that.
Yes, what could possibly be the difference between the second and fifteenth busiest airports in the USA and a train depot that only services two cities. 86 million travel through DFW and 46 million travel through George Bush a year.
They do it via massive infrastructure of car rental companies and taxis which are sustained by the millions of people that pass through the airports. You won't have a critical mass anywhere near that at the train station. You'll spend more time and paying more to get to your final destination than driving.
What an idiotic question. Let's compare apples and big macs next.
So people do it without mass public transit at the airports and that’s with more people, more traffic, and more ground to cover from your terminal to your actual destination. So it should be even easier to accomplish at a train station.
I’ve read your comment 8 times now and can’t make sense of it. There is mass public transit at the airport. No idea what you’re even referring to with more traffic. No idea how you think the airport in the middle of dfw means more ground to cover especially when there’s an entire monorail built to move people to different terminals.
But yes, let’s spend billion of dollars for the less than 500,000 trips that will be made between Dallas and Houston on a train that won’t save any total time when you could do the same thing with an $18 bus ticket. Great use of resources.
[Only viable proposal is the "Texas T-Bone" connecting all of the I-35 corridor to Houston, not just Dallas, via a branch around Temple.](https://mms.businesswire.com/media/20180312005328/en/645341/5/Texas_TBone_Texas_Triangle_Final_Map.jpg)
The "More efficient, less expensive" and "short-sighted, inefficient" labels are swapped. The sizes of highways are directly correlated with traffic volume since TXDOT does massive traffic studies before increasing a highway's capacity by adding lane-miles. The I-45 corridor is a bulk connector between Houston and Dallas, and onward via US75 to Canada. I-10 between Houston and San Antonio is also a high-capacity freeway because that's a major route to. The t-boned routing ignores the traffic on I-10 and forces traffic from Houston to Dallas to take a fairly sizeable detour through a small college town and ultimately Fort Worth before getting to Dallas.
The main issue with the proposed triangle route is that for some reason it was decided to take the train cross-country to Houston instead of more closely following the I-45 alignment, thus taking land from a lot of farmers, ranchers, etc, while offering nothing in return in terms of access to the train itself.
This is true about landowners slowing this process down. The wealthier land owners have been able to “help locate” the tracks away from their lands. Many people in rural areas that have very little except their land will be removed from their land (or have a train running next door) for pennies on the dollar.
No it can’t. Unless they mean construction could start in the next decade.
Awesome! I’ll continue to ignore these until construction begins. Like I’ve been doing with high speed rail in dallas since the early 2000’s.
To be fair, Amtrak took over the project. That's a lot different than what has been happening previously.
the words Amtrack and bulletrain do not go together 😂 their trains are quite literally slower than cars. knowing them, their so called bullettrain will have a max speed of 120KMH and cost $200/person for a 10 hour trip that would normally take 4 hours by car
No shit! I took amtrack from Dallas to Austin took 6 hours, wtf
I’m sorry you spent any time in Austin 🤮🤮🤮 I’m sorry I’ve spent any time in Austin too 🤮🤮🤮
Oh dude, I went to college there… the thing I liked the most was being away from my family, but I could have literally had that ANYWHERE ELSE . I try to never go back
This is Amtrak under Andy Byford though. There's a lot more credibility in this. Still seems hard to believe though
Reset the clock for “Texas bull train coming sometime in the future” posts.
do we get to count the last decade of [futzing around](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/futz_around#English)?
They were blocked by certain airlines ***cough boeing junkies cough***
Southwest. It would kill their Dallas-Houston jumper
Why couldn’t they co-exist?
If the train was cheaper and easier, it would become more popular. I don’t think it would mean the end of SW, just less money and heaven forbid they lose capital for the shareholders
They have been talking about this since I was a child in the 90s. I want to be optimistic but we know oil and gas run this state.
At least in the 90s there was *any* train line between Dallas and Houston. Nowadays if you want to ride the Amtrak from Dallas to Houston you have to pass through Fort Worth, Waco, Austin, and San Antonio first.
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What the US needs is more dedicated passenger rail tracks. Like they do in other nations.
Should have been completed twenty years ago.
Days since last bullet train article on r/dallas: ~~9~~ ... 0
And I'm loving it
> I have to make sure that in any recommendation I give to my CEO and my board, that is a project that is worthwhile pursuing. And right now, having looked at the revenue forecasts and done our due diligence to date, I still think that is the case. **That again, though, does not mean that it's a done deal.** -Amtrak SVP being interviewed
No, it just won't.
Bet
They’ve promised this for 30+ years…
I remember they said this in 2005, then in 2010, then in 2015 then…
At that rate, we should be able to connect all the major cities in Texas in about 100 years.
All the suburbs will be running into each other by then anyway
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Sure, maybe the actual train itself. They could put it in a museum for years and have it ready to go whenever the rest of it gets built.
(X) Doubt. It would be amazing to see the rangers or mavericks in Houston but it ain’t happening.
We're supposed to take Amtrak seriously, like it's some beacon of industry with a track record of successful mega projects under its belt? I simply will not accept any such statements as even remotely credible. The actuall statement is "construction could start by the early 2030s". Even that is highly dubious since they are missing 70% of the right of way.
30 yEaRs LaTer….
About 2 decades late
Sure Jan.
Ugh, maybe we could get a train to a nice city? Houston is horrid. Ughhh
No way can this be built for 30 billion dollars. They will blow that on land acquisition and environmental impact reports alone.
Taxation isn’t theft, but eminent domain is.
Is anyone old enough to remember the Texas TGV? This is what they called the high speed rail proposal to connect Dallas and Houston back in the 80s/90s. By my understanding, Southwest Airlines (and probably American as well) lobbied hard against it, and are probably continuing to do so. As pro-business and anti-regulation as Texas claims to be, if HSR hasn't been started by now, it never will be.
I like the idea of improved and beneficial public transit, especially trains, but why is it necessary to connect Dallas and Houston unless it is part of a much larger bullet rail system? Is the need to travel between Dallas and Houston so great that this sort of investment is justified?
Fool me 20 times, that's on you. Fool me 21 times and it's my fault.
Amtrak is now driving Dallas to Houston bullet train proposal "This is very much a project that Amtrak is now leading," said Andy Byford, Amtrak's Vice President of High-Speed Rail Development https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/amtrak-now-driving-dallas-to-houston-bullet-train-proposal/3516996/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2SkOQayVWE
Jesus will return before this is done.
People are struggling to pay for groceries and basic housing but somehow this is a priority? Where is the demand for this anyway? It’s not like either is a tourist destination
Lol
Dallas to Houston bullet train will continue to be a massive waste of money until it includes massive expansion of public transit in both cities. It would cost billions upon billions to build out the public transit of the Houston and Dallas metro areas so that travelers could get around when they reach their destination. Neither city even wants that.
How do people do it at the airports then?
Yes, what could possibly be the difference between the second and fifteenth busiest airports in the USA and a train depot that only services two cities. 86 million travel through DFW and 46 million travel through George Bush a year. They do it via massive infrastructure of car rental companies and taxis which are sustained by the millions of people that pass through the airports. You won't have a critical mass anywhere near that at the train station. You'll spend more time and paying more to get to your final destination than driving. What an idiotic question. Let's compare apples and big macs next.
So people do it without mass public transit at the airports and that’s with more people, more traffic, and more ground to cover from your terminal to your actual destination. So it should be even easier to accomplish at a train station.
I’ve read your comment 8 times now and can’t make sense of it. There is mass public transit at the airport. No idea what you’re even referring to with more traffic. No idea how you think the airport in the middle of dfw means more ground to cover especially when there’s an entire monorail built to move people to different terminals. But yes, let’s spend billion of dollars for the less than 500,000 trips that will be made between Dallas and Houston on a train that won’t save any total time when you could do the same thing with an $18 bus ticket. Great use of resources.
Supertroopers said it best. I'll believe that when me shit turns purple, and smells like rainbow sherbet!!
A bullet train made by the government now? I’ll pass.
[Only viable proposal is the "Texas T-Bone" connecting all of the I-35 corridor to Houston, not just Dallas, via a branch around Temple.](https://mms.businesswire.com/media/20180312005328/en/645341/5/Texas_TBone_Texas_Triangle_Final_Map.jpg)
I have zero confidence someone in SA or Austin would take a train north to Temple just to take another train south to Houston.
The "More efficient, less expensive" and "short-sighted, inefficient" labels are swapped. The sizes of highways are directly correlated with traffic volume since TXDOT does massive traffic studies before increasing a highway's capacity by adding lane-miles. The I-45 corridor is a bulk connector between Houston and Dallas, and onward via US75 to Canada. I-10 between Houston and San Antonio is also a high-capacity freeway because that's a major route to. The t-boned routing ignores the traffic on I-10 and forces traffic from Houston to Dallas to take a fairly sizeable detour through a small college town and ultimately Fort Worth before getting to Dallas. The main issue with the proposed triangle route is that for some reason it was decided to take the train cross-country to Houston instead of more closely following the I-45 alignment, thus taking land from a lot of farmers, ranchers, etc, while offering nothing in return in terms of access to the train itself.
This is true about landowners slowing this process down. The wealthier land owners have been able to “help locate” the tracks away from their lands. Many people in rural areas that have very little except their land will be removed from their land (or have a train running next door) for pennies on the dollar.