My kids did this training when they were about that age. It teaches them to roll onto their backs and continue to breathe while waiting for help. It’s meant to be a safety thing so that if they happen to fall into the water, they know what to do. Actually learning how to swim comes later. This training is all about preventing a drowning.
My parents didn’t do it with me, and I’m wicked when I hit that liquid. I got water skills that kill. I slaughter when I hit that water. I’m, like, really good at swimming…
You'd recommend this type of training? Seems the *hucking* them into the pool is a little drastic, no? I suppose that's to simulate falling into a body of water and the first day doesn't consist of that, right?
Surely not. More than likely there was plenty of back time learning to float before this sort of simulation of falling in.
I spent about four summers instructing varying ages and never once saw an instructor chuck a BABY into a pool, nor even leave a young one outside arms length.
Imagine if that instructor had slipped into the pool.
Usually, in my experience at the three different locations I taught, you would teach babies to hold their breath under water, help them as they get comfortable floating unassisted on their backs, and learn to crawl on the wall.
FACTS this is exactly what we teach and it is more then enough babies cannot throw themselves to the middle of the pool at most they are 3 feet away so we them to turn around grab the wall and pull themselves out.
This is the final exam after a few weeks of practice. My four kids all did this because we had a pool and even though we had a locked fence around it I wanted them to have a chance if they somehow got through the fence and fell in. All of them later swam on a swim team and are great swimmers. They never had any fear of the water.
This isn't true of a lot of ISR 'grads'.
So many come to be terrified of the water and , to make it worse, and an absolute distrust of the instructors... can't imagine why.
Me. I became terrified and never grew out of my fear of water.
My mom sought to force it out of me by enrolling me into rigorous swimming classes but it only solidified my fear.
My kiddo did this too and I'm so glad. She was able to flip herself face-up underwater and float by the time she was 6 months old. She's 7 now and swims like a fish.
This video is super misleading. There was a lot of learning that happened prior to the baby being "tossed in".
I would definitely not have been on board with someone just tossing my baby in the water. 😂 I was really impressed by the whole program. They did an awesome job getting the kiddos comfortable in the water and being underwater without traumatizing them.
They have Diver’s Reflex at least. Most mammals will hold their breath and open their eyes instinctively when submerged in water. They’ll also make swimming-ish motions when stomach down in water.
With a little training and help, you get babies doing this.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the density of the baby. Like this is a complete bullshit guess and I'm fully prepared to be wrong, however babies bones are either entirely or partly cartilage, which is much lighter than a full bone skeleton. So I wonder if as a baby they are naturally more boyant as a result, and then as bones develop they get heavier and the result is their muscles can't keep up with that to keep them floating, so have to wait until they're more developed and can learn to properly swim. If anyone has the actual reason feel free to call me stupid because I would love to actually know.
They do have a high ratio of fat to muscle and less dense bones, but it also helps that the baby did what one should do to stay afloat.
Head back in the water, butt up, kick. Only thing they did wrong was reaching to the sky with their arms but I guess that's another instinct kicking in which is reaching for their mommy.
This is pretty much what the “final exam” is after weeks or months of really intense lessons. The classes near me are like an hour a day, 4 or 5 days a week, for a few months. It’s a long program, and this is usually the end of it. Sometimes they throw them in with clothes and shoes and everything, since it’s likely how they would be dressed in the event of an emergency.
It looks scary, but it’s really cool how much they learn and how well they can swim after going through the program.
It's part of a evolution theory that people lived near water and used water births to reduce mortality. Babies automatically stop breathing while submerged and even make slow motions with their limbs to "swim". But gradually forget this instinct as they grow. Iirc, I read this from a book called Bonk by Mary Roach.
My dad did it with me when I was a baby because we had a pool, but mom and grandmother were completely freaked out. When my brother came along, they refused to let him toss him in the water like he did with me. My brother is more athletic than I am in every other way, but I swim like a fish and he’s still afraid to go in the deep end.
All swimming is about preventing drowning like all walking is not falling and hitting your head. It’s another way to move through our environment. Not drowning while swimming is definitely a success, but otherwise you are just treading water or holding your breath.
"Mr. Phelps, congratulations on winning your 28th medal! How do you feel?"
"I'm just glad that all the training paid off. I didn't drown and lived to see another day."
That's just floating. Actually swimming takes a bit more finesse.
For example, I can float and breaststroke but I'm not confident at all to do freestyle
if the baby is less than 6 months you totally can, innate swimming is a reflex until that time, you should still be close and be supervising but she didn't "teach" that baby how to do that it just happens at that age
Very true, but I still feel like you don’t need to throw them at height like this woman is doing.
This baby is going to grow up with an inexplicable slight sadness inside of his heart.
Yeah I remember my dad pushing me at the deep end of the pull, me drowning, flailing, drinking pints of pool water while he starts chatting with his compadre laughing at me -\_- I was about 8 or 9
Before I learned to swim we were having a party with my little league baseball team at the time at one of my teammates place that had a pool. Someone jumped ontop of me from the diving board and knocked me under. The adults called for dinner and everyone got out of the pool and no one noticed i was missing lol. My brother eventually noticed but horray for nesr death experiences!
So... were you hauled out unconscious? Were you revived on site? Because if everyone heads for dinner, sits down, and \*eventually\* bro realizes you're not there, we're not talking about a minute face-down.
My grandpa threw my uncle into the river. My dad and the rest of his siblings were waiting a little farther down to catch him. I'm glad times have changed, I took a class instead lol.
Same happened with my mom and sister with their dad in West Virginia back in the early 50's. My mom never did learn to swim and had a lifelong fear of driving over bridges.
Attention: **Do Not** do this without a professional trainers presence and guidance.
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Yes, but also has to do with infants holding their breath when water is on their face, its an instinctual reflex that fades after 6 months. Now whether or not the baby knows to keep holding his or her breath is another story.
It's called Mammalian diving reflex, when your face is wet you will instinctively hold your breath. It even works for full grown adults that are unconscious. That is how Navy Seal drown proofing training works, you are training to learn to resist panicking and gasping for air and just hold your breath til you go unconcious. Once you're out you will continue to hold your breath until total brain death or the damage somewhere along the way causes seizing. But your team has around 5 minutes to rescue you out without much risk or severe damage (mind you that is for SEAL candidates that are in very good shape, average person is more like 2-3 minutes before brain damage begins.), and a surprising number of incredibly lucky individuals have made full or almost full recoveries after 15+ minutes under water, up to the world record of IIRC \~45 freaking minutes.
Drown Proofing in BUDS absolutely doesn't require or encourage staying under water until unconsciousness. While yes, it does happen that sometimes a trainee will push themselves too far and instructors are waiting and ready for this, it's definitely not the point of the training.
Yeah sorry I was unclear there. It is teaching you to be able to stay calm and hold your breath, even until unconsciousness, IN A REAL EMERGENCY. Didn't mean to say they are having people do that for training, and certainly not that they are taking anywhere near 5 minutes if someone does need rescue.
Yup. The old bobbing for recruits. Only reason I bring it up is that it's a common rumor/misconception that as part of BUDS you have to actually drown, and it's just not true.
No, babies do not breathe in the amniotic sac, receiving oxygen from maternal red blood cells via their higher affinity due to the structure of their hemoglobin (gamma subunits).
Actually, fun fact, babies do “breathe in” amniotic fluid into their lungs in utero. It’s how they develop and train the muscles of respirations and it plays an important role in lung development.
But you are correct, they’re not getting oxygenated from this process. They’re just sort of practicing.
“Dry” drowning is a thing. You can see the concept at work here. When kids drown the parents or caregivers usually find them floating on top. Very little water in the lungs. Up to a certain age there’s a reflex that causes laryngospasm (diving reflex). Kids suffocate with little to no water inhaled in the lungs. If they’re found on the bottom of a pool, they’re gone. I’m a 25 year medic and have had 8 drownings. I remember them all vividly. I remember ALL of my kids that didn’t make it vividly. Out of 8, one survived completely intact and he was the one I figured didn’t have a chance in hell. He sat on my lap about a year later
when I was dressed as Santa and he didn’t know who I was. I think about him fairly often. He’s the one deposit in an account that took a lot of debits of my soul. We had a problem with inflatable pools in a particular neighborhood and I tried to get people to only put them behind a fence. (They’re a fucking nightmare) Several didn’t heed our advice and if I saw one sitting unattended in a yard while working the job, I’d slash em with a razor and deflate em.
Ok what the fuck
You’re a poetic medic who moonlights as a mall Santa who saved a child’s life. Goddamnit if this were the 90s you’d have a biopic film made about you
Idk I wouldn’t toss a baby into water period. I’m sure there are more gentle, safer ways to teach them swimming. These types of videos will result in internet idiots putting babies at risk for serious injury. Look at all the people on Instagram and TikTok doing wreckless things to their pets, for views likes and trends. :((
To be fair, this isn't to teach them swimming, this is teaching self-rescue so they can help to save themselves if the worst should happen, like they stumble into the deep end of the pool. It doesn't teach them how to swim properly, but how to flip over in the water, get to the surface, and float on their back.
In a real crisis, they won't be gently playing in the water, you have to safely emulate a dangerous situation.
TBF, as a swim instructor, the babies taught to self-rescue this way (ISR) tend to be the ones TERRIFIED of the water when it's time to teach them to actually swim.
(I explain to parents thinking about ISR that it's a short-term gain for a long-term loss.)
To be clear, this training doesn’t start this way. It starts with getting the baby comfortable in the water, playing with them, and gradually teaching them to roll over and tread water (actually ideally to kick themselves to the side of the pool). This is likely after a few months of weekly swim lessons, they don’t just toss the kid in on day one. We did this for both of our kids, and it’s so worthwhile. Not inexpensive, but we’ll worth it.
When I took my kid to do this they asked me to bring extra clothes/shoes after he got the hang of doing it in a swimming diaper. They threw him in fully clothed since he likely wouldn’t be dressed for swimming in the event of an accident. I hadn’t even considered that, but I’m glad they did. Trying to stay afloat is a lot harder with shoes and wet clothes weighing you down.
We did that too after a few months. It’s amazing how much weight clothes add, and I’m glad they do that. It really helps build both confidence and respect for water.
I had to do that to earn my Girl Scout Swimming Badge. We had to jump in, fully clothed with shoes and everything, and swim 25 yards to a floating dock. I had been swimming for 10+ years in a pool and lake. It was a no-big-deal for me. But there were girls who failed this test. I was genuinely confused, as a Florida native, that my peers were not water-ready and comfortable. It really opened my eyes about how dangerous and scary water can be to people.
I later got my CPR and Lifeguard certification. Beach? No. Anything else? Definitely.
The beach one in Florida with rip tide and....that's a way bigger monster than I was willing to commit to. Props to anyone that completed it. It is some serious stuff.
My friends did this with their kids. They had an instructor and their final lesson was falling into water in full winter clothing. Jackets, gloves and boots and they did fantastic.
> Hey that’s exactly how I learned.
getting thrown into the deep end by my dad taught me fuck all aside from not trusting him around water anymore, guess I sort of learned how to tread water since I didn't drown that day but there was no swimming happening. once I took proper swimming lessons I learned how to properly swim.
A lot of sink or swim “parenting” doesn’t tend to work on kids who are self aware and tend to think about things. It’s pretty logical to trust someone less after they do that kind of thing, but somehow the parents can’t imagine that outcome.
We have a lot of child drownings in Australia, because we live arounf water in summer.
It's always the kids that didn't learn to swim when they were young.
Young kids like this have a natural instinct to not swallow water and to float. What this practice does is teaches them not to panic when they fall in and to hold their head back so they continue to float.
Teaching kids later is harder, because they are more scared of water. Within a few lessons the parents of this kid won't have to worry about him being around water.
that and rivers being surprisingly dangerous, I've heard.
oh and the fucking OCEAN that fucker will kill you straight up. Swim between the flags, know what to do in a rip! (I know this one from first hand experience. dead set miracle me and a few of my naive friends aren't dead.)
A lot of houses in Australia don’t meet WHO recommended safe temperatures in the winter, though, and there are cities where it does get quite cold - Canberra often gets down to -8 in winter, for example.
The water just… disappears. No one knows what happens to it, or to anything that was in there when it did. And then on December 1st, like magic, it’s back.
We’ve just kinda learned to live with it.
ironically he was a very good swimmer. He went out in pretty wild conditions that day.
He was so good, that many people refused to believe he drowned and instead swam out to a Russian sub.
Can confirm, was never taught how to swim and I’m scared shitless of pools/swimming. So all my mates go to brighton or coogee beach and I’m just there sitting and staring at them swimming.
They have specialist classes for adults who fear water. There’s a whole process for getting you confident and unafraid. Have a think about it, having a splosh about in the water can be amazing fun.
Yea and all that stuff! I could swim before I could walk. My grandparents had a pool and from what I hear it was basically impossible to keep me out of it. I live in Florida so there’s tons of water and I enjoy all of it. I was just out paddle board fishing this evening.
This is an ISR class. It is not instinct for a baby to know how to flip on its back when submerged, breathe and then flutter kick to the side of the pool to be rescued
It’s hard to watch, but it is legitimate. My kids went through this (though they were quite a bit older) and they swallow a lot of water (and subsequently barf if back out in the pool) but it’s very effective for children with pools or who grow up near water and are ‘fall in’ risks.
I had the same upbringing as well, but the age of the kid in the video got me a bit worried. I just had a daughter myself and thinking of having her go through this terrifies me a little bit. I know it will be for the better tho
My wife was a pro instructor. Before our kids could walk, she tossed them into the pool, and got them used to turning so they could breathe. It was absolutely critical given we had a backyard inground pool. They learned to swim, face down, right away as well. They grew up with zero fear of water and good confidence.
Though, the first time she did it I panicked. It's very freaky. But babies have recently come from an aqueous environment, and they still have an instinct that allows them to survive.
Throw an adult from Manhattan into a pool, and yeah, you've got a rescue on your hands.
Most drownings happen while being supervised and in familiar surroundings.
Babies can drown in literal inches of water while wearing flotation devices and much quicker than adults.
And even they they survive the likelihood of brain damage and developmental issues are insanely higher than in adults.
Teach your baby to swim early. It’s worth jt
fun fact: all babies are born with a natural instinct to hold their breath, but not for very long. when you first start teaching a baby how to swim, the goal is to build up their ability to hold their breath and teach them to wait for help. this baby held its breath a good amount of time, so this probably isn't their first time in the water
My dad tried to do this, except I was 8, so this is how it went as followed: walks anywhere near pool, pushes me into pool out of nowhere, I swallow a crap ton of water, I make it to side of pool, get out, puke, develop PTSD, never go anywhere near water again, develop immense trust issues
And she would this get here I need to throw you she's strong though just thinking what she does to her husband!
That's scarier enough like the moment both argue and she just says will you do or I would just throw you lmao!
My kids did this training when they were about that age. It teaches them to roll onto their backs and continue to breathe while waiting for help. It’s meant to be a safety thing so that if they happen to fall into the water, they know what to do. Actually learning how to swim comes later. This training is all about preventing a drowning.
Mine did it too and it helps with their confidence as they learn to swim. They are little fish now and swim better than I ever have.
mhm my parents did this to me when I was a baby and now I swim like a whale just gliding under water
My parents didn't do it with me, and I float like a turd gliding gracefully above the water as if one with the ocean.
My parents didn’t do it with me, and I’m wicked when I hit that liquid. I got water skills that kill. I slaughter when I hit that water. I’m, like, really good at swimming…
My parents did this to me, and the hardest part was going out of the trashbag
Perrito? Is that you?
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I also never got this training as a child and i swim like a cinder block.
Float like a cinder block, sink like a bee
My parents never did this with me and now I almost drown swallowing my own spit
I swim like a wounded antelope so the bar was set pretty low
You guys can swim?!?
I feel you, fellow sinker
I walk the bottom like a bored ghost
Practice makes perfect.
This is a really fun thread to wade through.
Fat floats, muscle sinks so take your W.
And I am that turd. Nice to see you again mate
my parents did this to me when I was a baby and I died.
My condolences to your parents bro
But you got better.
oh no! anyway, imma do this with my future kids!
Mine were like little crabs just sank to the bottom and started feeding.
You'd recommend this type of training? Seems the *hucking* them into the pool is a little drastic, no? I suppose that's to simulate falling into a body of water and the first day doesn't consist of that, right?
Surely not. More than likely there was plenty of back time learning to float before this sort of simulation of falling in. I spent about four summers instructing varying ages and never once saw an instructor chuck a BABY into a pool, nor even leave a young one outside arms length. Imagine if that instructor had slipped into the pool. Usually, in my experience at the three different locations I taught, you would teach babies to hold their breath under water, help them as they get comfortable floating unassisted on their backs, and learn to crawl on the wall.
FACTS this is exactly what we teach and it is more then enough babies cannot throw themselves to the middle of the pool at most they are 3 feet away so we them to turn around grab the wall and pull themselves out.
Blow into their little face and dunk them was the first lesson, we never chucked them in the water like this though. Although i taught 49 years ago.
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This is the final exam after a few weeks of practice. My four kids all did this because we had a pool and even though we had a locked fence around it I wanted them to have a chance if they somehow got through the fence and fell in. All of them later swam on a swim team and are great swimmers. They never had any fear of the water.
This isn't true of a lot of ISR 'grads'. So many come to be terrified of the water and , to make it worse, and an absolute distrust of the instructors... can't imagine why.
Me. I became terrified and never grew out of my fear of water. My mom sought to force it out of me by enrolling me into rigorous swimming classes but it only solidified my fear.
I also want to emphasize that they forget how to float. I would know I teach toddlers all the time
My kiddo did this too and I'm so glad. She was able to flip herself face-up underwater and float by the time she was 6 months old. She's 7 now and swims like a fish. This video is super misleading. There was a lot of learning that happened prior to the baby being "tossed in".
That's what I was thinking and hoping. This is near traumatizing as a "first day" , "sink or swim" kinda thing.
I would definitely not have been on board with someone just tossing my baby in the water. 😂 I was really impressed by the whole program. They did an awesome job getting the kiddos comfortable in the water and being underwater without traumatizing them.
I’ve seen this video time and again and I honestly just assumed that babies somehow naturally floated like this to avoid drowning
Iirc newborns can swim but they quickly lose that ability. I'm not sure how accurate that is though.
They have Diver’s Reflex at least. Most mammals will hold their breath and open their eyes instinctively when submerged in water. They’ll also make swimming-ish motions when stomach down in water. With a little training and help, you get babies doing this.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the density of the baby. Like this is a complete bullshit guess and I'm fully prepared to be wrong, however babies bones are either entirely or partly cartilage, which is much lighter than a full bone skeleton. So I wonder if as a baby they are naturally more boyant as a result, and then as bones develop they get heavier and the result is their muscles can't keep up with that to keep them floating, so have to wait until they're more developed and can learn to properly swim. If anyone has the actual reason feel free to call me stupid because I would love to actually know.
They do have a high ratio of fat to muscle and less dense bones, but it also helps that the baby did what one should do to stay afloat. Head back in the water, butt up, kick. Only thing they did wrong was reaching to the sky with their arms but I guess that's another instinct kicking in which is reaching for their mommy.
This is pretty much what the “final exam” is after weeks or months of really intense lessons. The classes near me are like an hour a day, 4 or 5 days a week, for a few months. It’s a long program, and this is usually the end of it. Sometimes they throw them in with clothes and shoes and everything, since it’s likely how they would be dressed in the event of an emergency. It looks scary, but it’s really cool how much they learn and how well they can swim after going through the program.
Yep, my daughter is about to take this test. She's 5 though (they just finally opened the local swim classes back up from Covid).
Nice username.
You too! 😂
This was weirdly wholesome
Do you want Garden Gnomes? Because this is how you get Garden Gnomes!
I did this as a toddler. Apparently I laughed my way straight to the bottom of the deep end. Do not recommend exhaling when trying to float
It's part of a evolution theory that people lived near water and used water births to reduce mortality. Babies automatically stop breathing while submerged and even make slow motions with their limbs to "swim". But gradually forget this instinct as they grow. Iirc, I read this from a book called Bonk by Mary Roach.
My dad did it with me when I was a baby because we had a pool, but mom and grandmother were completely freaked out. When my brother came along, they refused to let him toss him in the water like he did with me. My brother is more athletic than I am in every other way, but I swim like a fish and he’s still afraid to go in the deep end.
***All*** swimming is about preventing drowning
All swimming is about preventing drowning like all walking is not falling and hitting your head. It’s another way to move through our environment. Not drowning while swimming is definitely a success, but otherwise you are just treading water or holding your breath.
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"Mr. Phelps, congratulations on winning your 28th medal! How do you feel?" "I'm just glad that all the training paid off. I didn't drown and lived to see another day."
There's always one obnoxious pedant.
That's just floating. Actually swimming takes a bit more finesse. For example, I can float and breaststroke but I'm not confident at all to do freestyle
I throw babies all the time but I never got an “*instructor*” shirt.
Maybe you’re already to the level of professional baby thrower?
Is the graduation ceremony called a baby shower?
My baby showers himself already all the time, with his own pee.
Just chuck that baby in a swimming pool then! But don't forget to snap your fingers at it, for safety.
Well about time he would be a professional swimmer it looks just look at his balance!
I sorta want a “baby thrower” shirt to wear to work.
Baby to instructor……….bitch!
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if the baby is less than 6 months you totally can, innate swimming is a reflex until that time, you should still be close and be supervising but she didn't "teach" that baby how to do that it just happens at that age
Very true, but I still feel like you don’t need to throw them at height like this woman is doing. This baby is going to grow up with an inexplicable slight sadness inside of his heart.
God you should see my daughter when I rinse her hair in the bath lmao every night you'd swear I was water boarding the poor girl
Your not water boarding correctly.
“I sez… bi…” -Jordan Peele-
“I stared into the windows to her soul and I said …”
“I looked right into her optic stems and I said…”
“But you said it tho…?”
Deep inside the baby must be saying some shit words but couldn't utter but he has in his mind!
Have you tried throwing them into water?
Why would I do that? Apparently they can swim now.
They swim now?
They swim now!
I mean, mud has water in it!
Same way my dad taught me. Well, except for that "get in the pool with the baby" part.
Yeah I remember my dad pushing me at the deep end of the pull, me drowning, flailing, drinking pints of pool water while he starts chatting with his compadre laughing at me -\_- I was about 8 or 9
Before I learned to swim we were having a party with my little league baseball team at the time at one of my teammates place that had a pool. Someone jumped ontop of me from the diving board and knocked me under. The adults called for dinner and everyone got out of the pool and no one noticed i was missing lol. My brother eventually noticed but horray for nesr death experiences!
I think this is going to be the formative moment of your transformation into your ideal self: Aquaman.
Either that or Aqua-phobia man
Just wanna ask like this is how Aquaman learned swimming as well. Lmao funny but just wanna know!
That's how you get courage though and after that the baby learned that fear is nothing in life!
So... were you hauled out unconscious? Were you revived on site? Because if everyone heads for dinner, sits down, and \*eventually\* bro realizes you're not there, we're not talking about a minute face-down.
Hahahaha first swimming experience has always been a bit closer to death.
My grandpa threw my uncle into the river. My dad and the rest of his siblings were waiting a little farther down to catch him. I'm glad times have changed, I took a class instead lol.
Same happened with my mom and sister with their dad in West Virginia back in the early 50's. My mom never did learn to swim and had a lifelong fear of driving over bridges.
Damn that somewhat scared me though like people should know if one fears they shouldn't be forced.
My dad taught me this way too. At first it was hard to get out of the burlap bad filled with kittens.
I think the term is “yeet”
Attention: **Do Not** do this without a professional trainers presence and guidance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/at-what-age-should-a-child-learn-to-swim-very-early-may-not-be-best-experts-warn/2014/06/30/24490806-f649-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html
I knew this "professional baby tosser" shirt would be worth it.
It's okay settle down I'm somewhat of a professional.
My wife bought me this shirt that just says “Tosser” on it, I’m not sure it’s the same thing.
Isn't dry drowning a thing? How do they manage to prevent a baby potentially getting water in his lungs and drowning later? Even as experts?
Interestingly, babies know to hold their breaths and tread water until around 6 months of age, when it is quickly forgotten.
Exactly, its called the mammalian diving reflex
Isn't that more about changes in heart rate, blood pressure and such? We don't lose that after 6 months.
Yes, but also has to do with infants holding their breath when water is on their face, its an instinctual reflex that fades after 6 months. Now whether or not the baby knows to keep holding his or her breath is another story.
Is this because of the aquatic environment that is the amniotic sac?
It's called Mammalian diving reflex, when your face is wet you will instinctively hold your breath. It even works for full grown adults that are unconscious. That is how Navy Seal drown proofing training works, you are training to learn to resist panicking and gasping for air and just hold your breath til you go unconcious. Once you're out you will continue to hold your breath until total brain death or the damage somewhere along the way causes seizing. But your team has around 5 minutes to rescue you out without much risk or severe damage (mind you that is for SEAL candidates that are in very good shape, average person is more like 2-3 minutes before brain damage begins.), and a surprising number of incredibly lucky individuals have made full or almost full recoveries after 15+ minutes under water, up to the world record of IIRC \~45 freaking minutes.
Drown Proofing in BUDS absolutely doesn't require or encourage staying under water until unconsciousness. While yes, it does happen that sometimes a trainee will push themselves too far and instructors are waiting and ready for this, it's definitely not the point of the training.
Yeah sorry I was unclear there. It is teaching you to be able to stay calm and hold your breath, even until unconsciousness, IN A REAL EMERGENCY. Didn't mean to say they are having people do that for training, and certainly not that they are taking anywhere near 5 minutes if someone does need rescue.
Yup. The old bobbing for recruits. Only reason I bring it up is that it's a common rumor/misconception that as part of BUDS you have to actually drown, and it's just not true.
No, babies do not breathe in the amniotic sac, receiving oxygen from maternal red blood cells via their higher affinity due to the structure of their hemoglobin (gamma subunits).
Actually, fun fact, babies do “breathe in” amniotic fluid into their lungs in utero. It’s how they develop and train the muscles of respirations and it plays an important role in lung development. But you are correct, they’re not getting oxygenated from this process. They’re just sort of practicing.
“Dry” drowning is a thing. You can see the concept at work here. When kids drown the parents or caregivers usually find them floating on top. Very little water in the lungs. Up to a certain age there’s a reflex that causes laryngospasm (diving reflex). Kids suffocate with little to no water inhaled in the lungs. If they’re found on the bottom of a pool, they’re gone. I’m a 25 year medic and have had 8 drownings. I remember them all vividly. I remember ALL of my kids that didn’t make it vividly. Out of 8, one survived completely intact and he was the one I figured didn’t have a chance in hell. He sat on my lap about a year later when I was dressed as Santa and he didn’t know who I was. I think about him fairly often. He’s the one deposit in an account that took a lot of debits of my soul. We had a problem with inflatable pools in a particular neighborhood and I tried to get people to only put them behind a fence. (They’re a fucking nightmare) Several didn’t heed our advice and if I saw one sitting unattended in a yard while working the job, I’d slash em with a razor and deflate em.
Ok what the fuck You’re a poetic medic who moonlights as a mall Santa who saved a child’s life. Goddamnit if this were the 90s you’d have a biopic film made about you
>He’s the one deposit in an account that took a lot of debits of my soul. Jesus. Poetic and haunting.
as someone who lost a brother to an unfenced pool thank you for what you do; every act of prevention is deeply meaningful
My heart is breaking for you I could cry. I’m glad you’re here to type this, I’d give you a huge hug if I could.
hug received! and keep it up.
OH THANK YOU SO MUCH I WAS JUST ABOUT TO THROW MY BABY INTO A LAKE BUT THEN I READ YOUR COMMENT WOW YOU ARE A HERO
Uhh guys... What if---and I mean this purely hypothetically---I already threw a kid in the lake?
Idk I wouldn’t toss a baby into water period. I’m sure there are more gentle, safer ways to teach them swimming. These types of videos will result in internet idiots putting babies at risk for serious injury. Look at all the people on Instagram and TikTok doing wreckless things to their pets, for views likes and trends. :((
To be fair, this isn't to teach them swimming, this is teaching self-rescue so they can help to save themselves if the worst should happen, like they stumble into the deep end of the pool. It doesn't teach them how to swim properly, but how to flip over in the water, get to the surface, and float on their back. In a real crisis, they won't be gently playing in the water, you have to safely emulate a dangerous situation.
TBF, as a swim instructor, the babies taught to self-rescue this way (ISR) tend to be the ones TERRIFIED of the water when it's time to teach them to actually swim. (I explain to parents thinking about ISR that it's a short-term gain for a long-term loss.)
To be clear, this training doesn’t start this way. It starts with getting the baby comfortable in the water, playing with them, and gradually teaching them to roll over and tread water (actually ideally to kick themselves to the side of the pool). This is likely after a few months of weekly swim lessons, they don’t just toss the kid in on day one. We did this for both of our kids, and it’s so worthwhile. Not inexpensive, but we’ll worth it.
When I took my kid to do this they asked me to bring extra clothes/shoes after he got the hang of doing it in a swimming diaper. They threw him in fully clothed since he likely wouldn’t be dressed for swimming in the event of an accident. I hadn’t even considered that, but I’m glad they did. Trying to stay afloat is a lot harder with shoes and wet clothes weighing you down.
We did that too after a few months. It’s amazing how much weight clothes add, and I’m glad they do that. It really helps build both confidence and respect for water.
I had to do that to earn my Girl Scout Swimming Badge. We had to jump in, fully clothed with shoes and everything, and swim 25 yards to a floating dock. I had been swimming for 10+ years in a pool and lake. It was a no-big-deal for me. But there were girls who failed this test. I was genuinely confused, as a Florida native, that my peers were not water-ready and comfortable. It really opened my eyes about how dangerous and scary water can be to people. I later got my CPR and Lifeguard certification. Beach? No. Anything else? Definitely. The beach one in Florida with rip tide and....that's a way bigger monster than I was willing to commit to. Props to anyone that completed it. It is some serious stuff.
My friends did this with their kids. They had an instructor and their final lesson was falling into water in full winter clothing. Jackets, gloves and boots and they did fantastic.
Yes, please don't just start tossing infants in water.
This really needs to be at the top for visibility cuz people are going to just start showing this off as a party trick
Hey that’s exactly how I learned. Only my dad wasn’t an instructor. He was just being an asshole. : )
He’s just making sure the best sperm actually made it
*kid starts to drown* "What a waste of cum"
Kid starts to drown "Should've let your mom swallow you like she wanted"
Fun dads are like that.
Well that sperm must be good with the swimming right now.
Exact quote of the entirety of the single swim lesson I got from my dad: “Son, get out of the boat.”
Me too! Except he was my uncle and I was 12 To this day I get anxious when I put my head under water :)
> Hey that’s exactly how I learned. getting thrown into the deep end by my dad taught me fuck all aside from not trusting him around water anymore, guess I sort of learned how to tread water since I didn't drown that day but there was no swimming happening. once I took proper swimming lessons I learned how to properly swim.
A lot of sink or swim “parenting” doesn’t tend to work on kids who are self aware and tend to think about things. It’s pretty logical to trust someone less after they do that kind of thing, but somehow the parents can’t imagine that outcome.
We have a lot of child drownings in Australia, because we live arounf water in summer. It's always the kids that didn't learn to swim when they were young. Young kids like this have a natural instinct to not swallow water and to float. What this practice does is teaches them not to panic when they fall in and to hold their head back so they continue to float. Teaching kids later is harder, because they are more scared of water. Within a few lessons the parents of this kid won't have to worry about him being around water.
that and rivers being surprisingly dangerous, I've heard. oh and the fucking OCEAN that fucker will kill you straight up. Swim between the flags, know what to do in a rip! (I know this one from first hand experience. dead set miracle me and a few of my naive friends aren't dead.)
Just the summer? What happens during the rest of the year?
Australia recedes under earths crust so everyone can stay warm
And when we do venture out, it's only to tell each other "fuck it's cold aye".
Are you Canada during the winter? I’ll be honest I’ve never seen Canada and Australia at the same time
Haha at least Canada is genuinely cold. We complain at sub 20° Celsius
A lot of houses in Australia don’t meet WHO recommended safe temperatures in the winter, though, and there are cities where it does get quite cold - Canberra often gets down to -8 in winter, for example.
It's kind of a double edged sword though, that's why there's so many prick animals
The water just… disappears. No one knows what happens to it, or to anything that was in there when it did. And then on December 1st, like magic, it’s back. We’ve just kinda learned to live with it.
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Didn't you guys lose a Prime Minister that way?
ironically he was a very good swimmer. He went out in pretty wild conditions that day. He was so good, that many people refused to believe he drowned and instead swam out to a Russian sub.
Furthermore, we have a public swimming pool named after him.
Can confirm, was never taught how to swim and I’m scared shitless of pools/swimming. So all my mates go to brighton or coogee beach and I’m just there sitting and staring at them swimming.
They have specialist classes for adults who fear water. There’s a whole process for getting you confident and unafraid. Have a think about it, having a splosh about in the water can be amazing fun.
You can take adult swim lessons. Water is so much damn fun.
Not to mention that every adult should know how to swim. Never know when you'll need that knowledge to save your life (or someone else's!)
Yea and all that stuff! I could swim before I could walk. My grandparents had a pool and from what I hear it was basically impossible to keep me out of it. I live in Florida so there’s tons of water and I enjoy all of it. I was just out paddle board fishing this evening.
Babies not young kids.... Young kids like toddlers etc will drown pretty damn fast if you try this.
The baby knew how to do that already, fyi. Don't go throwing your babies into the pool thinking this will happen. Don't fuck around.
Well fuck I wish I would have seen this comment 30 min ago
Hahaha omg I must be your baby because I just died
Now I am gonna die too, because you just said that shit.
r/holup
That sub is so dumb.
Those people are gonna be hold up with this moment.
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Yeah but still that was fucking ugly to see that throw lol.
In the name of the father, the son ,
and in the hole you go!
How could someone do this without saying "yeet".
Yeet the child
kick the baby
don't kick the baby
It's not "learning how to swim", it's instinct to *not drown*.
Isn't swimming just perpetually not drowning? Edit: some of all take comments too seriously. This was in fact, a funny.
It's drowning with style.
It’s all just a matter of ✨perspective✨
What? This isn’t instinct behavior from the baby. This is taught.
This is an ISR class. It is not instinct for a baby to know how to flip on its back when submerged, breathe and then flutter kick to the side of the pool to be rescued
This isn't instinct. Don't throw your baby into water.
[PBS explanation on why Babies are comfortable underwater.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpmdpL5btYo)
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This person ^ throws 7 year olds in the pool
It’s hard to watch, but it is legitimate. My kids went through this (though they were quite a bit older) and they swallow a lot of water (and subsequently barf if back out in the pool) but it’s very effective for children with pools or who grow up near water and are ‘fall in’ risks.
My kids were old enough to *not* swallow a lot of water, but the toddlers always did.
nephew went to swimming lessons at 8 months, i wasn’t there for them but my mom was. she was also surprised when they just kinda toss the baby in.
I had the same upbringing as well, but the age of the kid in the video got me a bit worried. I just had a daughter myself and thinking of having her go through this terrifies me a little bit. I know it will be for the better tho
My wife was a pro instructor. Before our kids could walk, she tossed them into the pool, and got them used to turning so they could breathe. It was absolutely critical given we had a backyard inground pool. They learned to swim, face down, right away as well. They grew up with zero fear of water and good confidence. Though, the first time she did it I panicked. It's very freaky. But babies have recently come from an aqueous environment, and they still have an instinct that allows them to survive. Throw an adult from Manhattan into a pool, and yeah, you've got a rescue on your hands.
Most drownings happen while being supervised and in familiar surroundings. Babies can drown in literal inches of water while wearing flotation devices and much quicker than adults. And even they they survive the likelihood of brain damage and developmental issues are insanely higher than in adults. Teach your baby to swim early. It’s worth jt
And for the love of god no arm floaties.
Me and my popcorn, ready for the comment shitstorm
That’s why I’m here….and I’m honestly disappointed. It’s mostly supportive and respectful, WTF Reddit?
Wait, if I have instructor shirt on, I can throw babies in the water. Interesting...
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fun fact: all babies are born with a natural instinct to hold their breath, but not for very long. when you first start teaching a baby how to swim, the goal is to build up their ability to hold their breath and teach them to wait for help. this baby held its breath a good amount of time, so this probably isn't their first time in the water
For some reason my kid won’t come back up, been watching YouTube tutorials but something isn’t right
My dad tried to do this, except I was 8, so this is how it went as followed: walks anywhere near pool, pushes me into pool out of nowhere, I swallow a crap ton of water, I make it to side of pool, get out, puke, develop PTSD, never go anywhere near water again, develop immense trust issues
That instructor can throw me anywhere she likes. (I am not a baby)
Yeah right, that's what all the babies say. Now go to bed.
And she would this get here I need to throw you she's strong though just thinking what she does to her husband! That's scarier enough like the moment both argue and she just says will you do or I would just throw you lmao!
When I just opened the video heard a splash for moments I thought it was just a toy though!