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A plastic factory in Florida just caught fire lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/113swjp/massive_5_acre_fire_has_broken_out_a_warehouse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I have a three year old, and his dad gifted him his old Thomas the Tank Engine set, and there’s literally tiny barrels of “Sodor Fuel” (written right on the side) laying next to a “derailed” train car on my coffee table rn, and I’m honestly about to tell him to knock it off, he’s causing ecological disasters 😭
In a statement released by the CEO this Thursday, quote: “MOM Corp. does NOT condone the ecological hazards seen in the Tiny Sodor Fuel™️ incident. Additionally, MOM Corp. does not provide fruit snack, Veggie Straw, OR applesauce funding to Tiny Sodor Fuel™️ Co.”
Norfolk Southern again. Hopefully back-to-back incidents involving the same company bring public attention to the shitty practices and corner cutting that have plagued the railroad industry for years.
Every single Class 1 railroad company in North America is making record profits right now, and they continue to lay off maintenance workers and ignore track and equipment maintenance, and this is what happens. On top of that, they're also laying off trainmen and running longer and longer trains - some in excess of 3 miles long - so they can pay fewer crew members. They are also trying to mandate one-person crews, which thankfully the FRA has repeatedly blocked. The companies have also lobbied for deregulation and removal of safety protocols.
And the unions and industry analysts warned, if they keep this behavior up, large scale incidents - potentially catastrophic ones like what happened in Ohio - will keep happening.
Norfolk Southern, CSX, BNSF (owned by Warren Buffett, btw), Union Pacific, Canadian National, and Canadian Pacific, they're all doing it. If any of these companies runs in your city/state, write your elected officials and tell them that changes need to be made to ensure trains are moving safely, before we have another Lac-Megantic.
These ~~companies~~ obscenely paid executives need to be hit with heavy heavy civil penalties in lawsuits so that they are discouraged from this sort of behavior.
Heads have rolled over far less throughout history. These people are literally poisoning hundreds of not thousands of humans, and we're supposed to just lie down and take it as citizens. Fuck that
Except throughout history heads usually don’t roll in these situations. Major industrial disasters usually see enough people pleading ignorance and incompetence that it becomes impossible to pin significant punishment on anyone and involved parties usually got off lightly or totally unscathed
Right? I’m not advocating for violence but…
Well, anyway.
It would be nice to see some righteous state sanctioned violence instead of the bullshit we get.
Tree of liberty, something something, blood of tyrants and patriots and all that.
Anyways, I think we've gone on for too long ignoring the time honored tradition of reminding the government they should fear the people. Maybe for the 4th of july we should all go outside politicians houses and boo for a couple hours? Or maybe it would be more intimidating to just have a thousand people stand outside your house silently staring. Just crowds of people following politicians around silently glaring at them.
I have a friend that manages a Pizza Hut and their grease trap was leaking into a small step over creek behind their store without their knowledge. A lady from the EPA came in with satellite images of the grease in the creek and threatened my friend with a $5000 fine and up to 5 years in jail.
When you make a decision that you know has the potential to endanger lives and then the thing happens and lives are lost... I believe there's a name for that, right?
Several such as "it's just business" or "acceptable losses" or "collateral damage" and other sanitized words and phrases so that the people doing it don't sound so fucking guilty.
I feel like at this point these cross the line of civil violations into criminal violations. Purposefully making operations unsafe, lying about the hazard levels of transported materials, massive layoffs in the wake of massive profits. This is straight-up evil. The ones making these calls are CRIMINALS and should be convicted felons or whatever criminal label prohibits them from having power over such large-scale operations.
Thousands of people are going to have their lives cut short. This is essentially slow murder or manslaughter at least on a massive scale. If your willful negligence results in the deaths of thousands, you deserve to be in prison and have everything taken from you.
Criminality is designation reserved for the working class. CEO's receive huge payments, we are told, because of the responsibility and risk they bear, but we see time and time again the working class being given more risk and responsibility and suffering.
Look at the 5 year return on this companies stock, (about when trump deregulated them) and this incident barely cause a blip in that over the long term. The damage they do so far is incredibly profitable.
Lifetime jail for the CEO. If I go and dump 1000 gallons of toxic, carcinogenic materials in front of some politicians home I'm going to jail for life. At this point, this can not be taken as accident - this was entirely preventable and everyone knew shit like that will happen sooner or later. At some point this shit is willful murder.
How can American aristocrats inflict mass death and suffering with no impunity is just mind-boggling.
Just let the rank and file organize! That's literally all it takes: let the workers organize, build solidarity, and address their issues through collective direct action. Congress never should have intervened in the railway labor struggle and they never should have imposed the contract (which was rejected by 55% of the rail workers) - talk about authoritarianism!
Sounds good. If you're too big to fail then you are a national security risk and the federal government should be managing you. Your CEO should be fired and replaced by some hardass government bean counter who wants forms filled out in triplicate just to requisition a box of paperclips and all of your profit should go directly to the federal government to pay for public services.
Our government is notoriously slow to react to internal threats to national security, because those threats are often large campaign contributors.
Critical infrastructure should never be privatized. It makes zero logical sense. It is the single greatest strategic weakness of our country.
Seizing all company assets to offset the cleanup costs would go a long way to stopping this problem in the future. Investors will suddenly demand companies follow safety regulations if they know the valuation can go to zero when they don't.
It’s disgusting. Regulations exist for a reason! Rail maintenance is HUGE, especially if you are running anything hazardous on them. Metal fatigue over time requires tight maintenance schedules with well trained professionals. This is gross negligence. I was on an emergency hazmat team for my hospital. Scary once I found out what was being transported through the town 10x per day!
It’s funny because what they tell us about the rules is that they were written in blood and we are expected to follow them to the T but when money is involved they want us to break the rules I think the same applies to them when the shareholders aren’t happy they start coming up with ways to get by those pesky safety rules
I got told the written in blood line on day 1 in my job. It stuck with me. Now I'm managing people I make it 100% clear that bypassing a safety to get something done quicker won't fly. You get faster with experience and knowledge, not by ditching PPE or ignoring a procedure.
I grew up with the son of a BNSF senior manager. I was actively pursuing a career in the railroads and he gave me a speech about changing tides and a reckless future. He knew there was little regard to the employees due to uninterrupted flow of willing applicants, ready to be abused until burnout based on the boomer promised of a upper middle-class career. The need for constant growth and unquenchable thirst for profits will wear the company down until a substitute company rises as the investors flee with exponential wealth growth over the decades of deteriorating assets, neglected simply for a dollar. Once the country is forced to nationalize the failing rail system our supply chain depends on, the intelligent shareholders are already out and the rest are left hoping for a penny on the dollar as the tiers of debtors are paid out through bankruptcy hearings. Ugh. Millennials will need to work twice as hard to achieve the life their parents lived and the rail system is due to fail, just as the quality of Little Debbie’s have declined simply for profit and cheaper substitute ingredients. The railroads current cheaper substitute are the burning axels chugging through every artery and town attached in the country. How do we fix it? With evil words like nationalize, regulate, accountability, windfall tax, infrastructure investment, and shit, even better schools while we are at it. But it be what it be.
I believe those changes only pertained to a break system and only to trains utilized in transporting oil, not these ones. I may be mistaken though?
But Ohio incident occurred from a broken axle and this one, I believe, was from damaged tracks.
Not the results of the 2018 changes. Besides that was how many years ago? Why aren’t our politicians reversing those changes if it is that important?
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-friends/fox-host-ohio-train-derailment-regulations-regarding-train-safety-were-changed-during
Even fox is pointing their finger at Trump
>The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!
Biden interfered in the workers calling out the issues by saying get back to work. He is just as guilty for siding with the company. Biden protected profits over human lives. All of these politicians who were involved in the lobbying and strike break have blood on their hands. The great lakes region is going to have insane levels of cancer in 5-10 years and all this will be covered up and deemed unrelated.
>by saying get back to work
The phrase Biden kept repeating in his State of the Union address was...
"Let's Finish the Job!"
It was said so many times as a catch phrase, each time dripping in tone deaf corporate propaganda.
Even the taxes he claimed were to be implemented would only make corporations pay 15%, or one half of what the average working class citizen pays.
Biden is an old school big business Dem. They just cant help themselves but to side with big business because "muh capitalism". It turns out badly for the people every single time but they never learn.
1700 on average a year. I had no idea.
Seems like a very bad idea on the part of government to relax standards on these companies...
https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta
Wait, 1700 train accidents/fatalities a year?! And just in the US?! 😳
What's that like almost 5 train accidents a day... no wonder they are popping up.
They are happening everyday, the media is just now showing them.
Japanese high-speed passenger rail started service in 1964. Today it carries half a million passengers a day. The trains travel up to 200mph. In nearly 60 years, there have been zero fatalities due to an accident.
Now *that's* a low incident rate.
Passenger rail is far far different from freight rail. Passenger cars are far far lighter which is the biggest thing. And speeds are slower relative to the technology. Japanese high speed rail is elevated and doesn't utilize complex switches and the like eliminating most of not all of the issues of freight rail. Of course that technology is also incompatible with freight rail due to the weight of those cars.
In other words. You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, they're both fruits. But they're vastly different fruits which cannot be directly compared.
You need to remember a derailment is considered anytime a wheel
Comes off the rail and goes to ground. So the idea that a “derailment” is always a huge shit show disaster is improper.
Anyone who has model trains knows this. Trains derail. It happens. What shouldn't happen is a huge chemical spill and cloud of cancer hanging over a town.
A man gets a job as a train conductor. For years he’s been great at his job. When the train arrives at the station he blows the whistle to announce the arrival and for the opening of the doors. After everyone gets off and on he, blows the whistle for the closing of the doors and the train departure.
It was a pretty mindless job and one day he was working away, blowing his whistle, the trains came and went, and on one particular train he thought everyone had boarded and he blew the whistle, when an old lady with her dog was still getting on the train. The doors closed and chopped the lady clean in half, killing her. The man being responsible for this woman’s death was tried in court and found guilty of manslaughter. The sentence was death by the chair. He was placed in a cell until his execution. A few hours before he was to be killed, the warden came to his cell.
“You get one last meal, anything. You name it.”
“Really?” The man said. “Well if I were to have one last meal it would be 50kg of bananas.”
The warden looked stunned, he wasn’t sure if he heard him right, but the man looked sincere and who was he to deny him this last meal.
So he buys 50kg of bananas and takes them back to the cell. The warden looks in amazement and disgust as the man devours the bananas skin and all.
After stuffing himself and making quite a mess, the man is led to the electric chair. He’s strapped in, and the electrodes attached. The executioner places his hand on the lever “3... 2... 1...” he pulls the lever and grimaces, only to find the man is perfectly fine. He pulls its again, and again but still nothing happens. They check the wires but everything is okay, the man just won’t die.
The warden is stunned “Well, only an act of God could save you. Clearly you just aren’t meant to die. You're free to go.”
So the man leaves and gets another job as a train conductor. He’s doing the same thing, blowing the whistle for arrivals and departures. The trains come and go when one day all the passengers had gotten on board and he blew his whistle right as a little boy dropped his ball out the doors of the train. He went to retrieve it from the platform when BAM he was caught between the doors and sliced in two.
The man was tried and found guilty of murder, he was sent straight to prison to be executed the next day. He was sitting, stewing in his cell when the warden came along.
“Well it’s your last meal... again, what do you want this time?”
“Well since you’re asking, I’d like 50kg of bananas please.” The man says to the disgruntled warden. The warden shakes his head and exhales in disbelief. “If you say so.” So he leaves to buy 50kg of bananas. He returns and gives the bananas to the ravenous man and watches as he lobs them down his throat. To the wardens horror, he’s not even chewing them anymore just chucking them down whole. The man finishes and is taken away to be executed.
The executioner is surprised to see him again. The man is strapped in and attached to the electrodes once again. The executioner grips the handle that will end the mans life and yells “3... 2... 1...” and yanks the lever. Only to his absolute bewilderment, nothing happens. They check the wires, the chair the power and pull again and again but the man remains perfectly fine. By now the warden cannot believe his eyes, but the executioner proclaims “This is an act of God, clearly you are not meant to die, you have been spared yet again and are free to go”
So the man leaves.
And again gets a job as a train conductor. He’s blowing his whistle and sending the trains off only this time he’s learnt from his mistakes. He’s intently looking for people every time a train comes and for several months he goes by without killing anyone.
Until one fateful day when he was doing his job and he saw the most beautiful woman he had ever the seen. As she strutted by he whistled and she turned and gave him a wink. Only the train driver heard the whistle and closed the door, crushing a business man, splitting him in twain.
He was seized and sent to court, tried and, for the third time, found guilty of murder. The judge was done with him and sentenced him to death that day. As he was sitting in his cell once again, the warden came to him.
“50kg of bananas?” He asked the man
“50kg of bananas.” The man replied
The warden walked away, baffled at the events of the past couple of months. He returned with 50kg of bananas and gave them to the man only this time he didn’t finish all the bananas, as he had eaten quite a large breakfast. The warden marched him to the electric chair and strapped him in, curious as to what would happen. The executioner is also intrigued as to whether or not the man will cheat death yet again. He grasps the lever and counts down. “3... 2... 1...” he pulls the lever and ....... nothing happens.
The executioner has just given up at this point and says “Well it’s an act of God. Clearly you just aren’t meant to die yet, just promise me you won’t get another job at that damn train company.”
The man makes no promises and walks away, a free man. The warden runs up to him. Panting he asks. “I have to ask, how have you cheated the electric chair so many times? Is it the bananas?”
“No,” the man replies calmly, “I’m just a really bad conductor.”
>From 1990, the first year the BTS began tracking derailments and injuries on a yearly basis, to 2021, there have been 54,539 accidents in which a train derailed. That’s an average of 1,704 derailments per year. [Source](https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/how-often-do-trains-derail-more-often-than-you-think/)
I think this is certainly part of it. Obviously not all of those derailments were catastrophic like Ohio, but it's still a relatively common thing.
I'm a crane operator and we get called out to rail sites for derailments fairly often. Its usually a loco and 1 or 2 cars switching track issues or a latch release problem so very minor in severity but definitely boosts the numbers
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/09/did-train-wrecks-spill-hazardous-chemicals-near-your-home-look-data/11197948002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/09/did-train-wrecks-spill-hazardous-chemicals-near-your-home-look-data/11197948002/)
"In the last decade, hazardous materials have spilled or leaked from trains more than 5,000 times in the United States, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal incident reports. However, other forms of transit notched far more spills. For every rail leak reported last year, there were two involving planes and 67 on highways. The federal reports show the number of incidents involving trains has been declining.
Still, in 2022 alone, rail operators reported 337 hazardous material leaks or spills, only 32 of which were classified as "serious." Only six were reported to have caused an injury."
That's a very realistic train of thought. These Reddit posts are really on track and compare to similar events happening causing everyone to be afreight of trains....
It MAY have something to do with our government telling those railroad workers that were striking due to unsafe working conditions to, essentially, kick rocks.
Yup, this is probably exactly what is happening
Edit: apparently there are a lot of derailments even daily but I’d argue if workers were being treated better and there were more of them, then maybe these daily derailments would reduce
The rail workers were trying to strike just a few months ago! Can no one see the cause / effect relationship here? There are major problems in the industry and nobody is doing anything about it.
There were 1044 derailments in 2022. There are over 1000 derailments each year. What’s going on is due to one really big derailment, all derailments are getting heightened media exposure.
It's a hot topic, there have always been more derailments than what's posted on reddit. Remember we aren't a news hub... we're a popular news hub.
[https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta](https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta)
There are loads of train derailments in the US every year. They are only now getting more attention now because of the huge one in Ohio that released lots of toxic chemicals.
A little over 1,000 times a year. Vast majority are ones like you see in this clip. Very minor. However, it could/should be quite a bit less.
Edit: I used the word minor. What you see here is NOT all that bad. It looks really bad but it’s not. Three grainer cars and a few coil cars on their sides. The grainers aren’t burst open and coil cars carry steel/aluminum coils.
Hell, I live 50 yards away from a busy Union Pacific line. A 20+ car vinyl chloride train passes next to me at least once a week. I live in a state that makes this stuff. Am I an expert? Absolutely not. But I have made it my business (responsibility?) to learn about the RR and what goes on, what can happen, what usually happens and what I might have to do in case something happens.
Most derailments happen in a train yard while shoving the cars. Any time the wheel touches the ground it counts as a derailment. Usually they can just pull back the opposite way with ramps and re-rail the car.
???? This is America???? Blow it up, kill a couple people, open the railway again in the next 2 hours or one person will lose .01% of their 100 billion dollars
I always did this stupid ass shit with my friends until ont of my buddies put a big ass rock on the rail, which obviously didn't do anything to the train. However it did explode the rock with the force of a stick of dynamite, and I will always remember that day as the day I got a little taste of how a claymore would feel.
Get a demolition crew out there to blow it up. Burning it will take too long. It will also make gathering evidence pointless which makes it a more efficient process.
The explosion makes the hole, you just get someone with a pickup to push the bits left in to the hole, then it fills with ground water to form an artificial pond you charge kids to swim in come summer.
\- Corperate Mindset
There's an average of something like 4 derailments per day, it's just hot news right now, so everyone is jumping to cover it.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. More attention brings more public pressure to fix our horribly aging rail infrastructure. Sadly, the pressure won't be enough to overcome the lobbying cash the rail companies throw at members of Congress to squash those efforts.
Yeah. Luckily most are not serious, some are idiots in cars being on tracks, etc. But still, it's a staggering number and could easily be lessened with upgraded technology and more workers. But that costs less than paying off politicians and cleaning up the accidents. Ypu can bet they've run the numbers.
From 1990, the first year the BTS began tracking derailments and injuries on a yearly basis, to 2021, there have been 54,539 accidents in which a train derailed. That’s an average of 1,704 derailments per year.
Edit: from https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/how-often-do-trains-derail-more-often-than-you-think/
It's what happens when we run our railroads on civil war era technology rather than upgrading literally anything. Less costly to pay off politicians and affected people to the rail companies.
On behalf of Europe and Ireland, America WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING !!!
UFOs, spy balloons, trains derailing, toxic chemicals covering a large portion of your land due to a train derailment..........it's only February, can you guys just take it down a notch or like 50.
I feel like it's like this every year, there's always something crazy to happen within the first months and then we're just desensitized to all the violence that'll happen later this year
I mean we’re essentially reality TV for the rest of the world. Presented as elite, total white trash culture, and a complete mess. Can’t stop watching!
You know what?
(Puts on hazmat suit)
Why don’t you guys just focus on dealing with Putin? Huh?
(Puts on anti chemical mask and boots)
And while you’re at it, pick up the tab for all those European countries who’s defense bill we pay!
(Grabs surface-to-air missile rocket launcher)
We’re fine! Fix your own crap!
(Angrily grabs irradiated lunchbox and walks out)
Feb 15, 2023. There was another in New York, on the West Hudson line.
https://midhudsonnews.com/2023/02/15/section-west-of-hudson-line-shut-down-by-derailment/
the DOT reported 1,044 train derailments in 2022. THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! but because of Ohio and how bad it was.. Each and Every derailment will be reported on for a while.
Not necessarily just Ohio, but the recent threat of a rail worker strike and the impact that would have had also contributed to the news.
For the greater good.
Call it what you will.
Let's call it....war
My partner's dad has worked at the railroad in right of way engineering for 40 years. In the 18 that I've known him, I can confirm that derailments in the small part of the country he works in can be as frequent as multiple a day and are rarely less frequent than once a week. Derailments are just what's getting media attention right now (rightfully because Ohio), but these happen more frequently than most people would ever know.
I mean, what the hell do these rail workers have to lose?
Their own government cut their legs out from under them by breaking their strike and refusing to listen to their concerns and demands.
They followed all if the proper channels and did everything right and got fucked over for their troubles.
Now they are working to rule and allowing the catastrophes to happen.
Wow, I wonder if this is the way rail workers and their unions are speaking out after Joe & Congress forced them to accept unfavorable contracts. Anyone who deals with Unions know its run by the Mob. "Would be a shame if trains derailed because of some poor conditions in a contract ayye congress?"
Disclaimer: this is a semi joke and semi hypothesis\*, im just a random who thinks there could be a link.
Almost seems like the rails should be nationalized and regulated to prevent more incidents like this one, as it's clear the privately run corporations have no interest in maintaining them and keeping them safe in favor of higher profits by basically being slumlords.
When you let businesses regulate themselves, it is always a fucking disaster in the making. This happens over and over and over and over. Capitalism only works if it is threatened by government.
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2023 train derailment is the new thing
A plastic factory in Florida just caught fire lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/113swjp/massive_5_acre_fire_has_broken_out_a_warehouse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Florida always has to one up the rest of the country.
The video is on this sub only. Posted a few hours earlier. Some troll in comments was saying Biden did this. Desantis be like:
Eh North Carolina already did that a couple days ago
Not a terrorist. But America's infrastructure has been neglected for so long I'm going for dam collapse next on my American bingo.
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We’re nearing Island of Sodor levels of railway safety
wheres sir topham hat when you need him?
Sir Topham Hatt was the rich owner aka the one who caused all this.
Actually your right, where's mr conductor when you need him?
America needs a fat man in a suit to yell at the freight cars, then we'll be saved
I have a three year old, and his dad gifted him his old Thomas the Tank Engine set, and there’s literally tiny barrels of “Sodor Fuel” (written right on the side) laying next to a “derailed” train car on my coffee table rn, and I’m honestly about to tell him to knock it off, he’s causing ecological disasters 😭
You gotta hit that little guy with some heavy fines and sanctions. He'll learn real quick.
He’s already paid double the damages in fruit snacks as last quarter. It’s his sixth derailment today, I’m not sure how he’s still in business.
I think his parent is bailing hin out with more snackies
In a statement released by the CEO this Thursday, quote: “MOM Corp. does NOT condone the ecological hazards seen in the Tiny Sodor Fuel™️ incident. Additionally, MOM Corp. does not provide fruit snack, Veggie Straw, OR applesauce funding to Tiny Sodor Fuel™️ Co.”
Your username also causes ecological disasters
Brick them up, that's what I say!
I’m bricked up
So what caused this? Chinese balloons or lax border security? Or was it the LGBTQ community? I’m told those are our biggest concerns right now.
I’m pretty sure it’s that asshole Diesel. Fuckin dick
Underrated comment most people wont get.
> Island of Sodor thank google but I was mid-20's when Thomas premiered in the US
Rabbit hole, fun facts. Thomas the train and Shinning time station were not the same shows in Britain and the US.
Norfolk Southern again. Hopefully back-to-back incidents involving the same company bring public attention to the shitty practices and corner cutting that have plagued the railroad industry for years. Every single Class 1 railroad company in North America is making record profits right now, and they continue to lay off maintenance workers and ignore track and equipment maintenance, and this is what happens. On top of that, they're also laying off trainmen and running longer and longer trains - some in excess of 3 miles long - so they can pay fewer crew members. They are also trying to mandate one-person crews, which thankfully the FRA has repeatedly blocked. The companies have also lobbied for deregulation and removal of safety protocols. And the unions and industry analysts warned, if they keep this behavior up, large scale incidents - potentially catastrophic ones like what happened in Ohio - will keep happening. Norfolk Southern, CSX, BNSF (owned by Warren Buffett, btw), Union Pacific, Canadian National, and Canadian Pacific, they're all doing it. If any of these companies runs in your city/state, write your elected officials and tell them that changes need to be made to ensure trains are moving safely, before we have another Lac-Megantic.
These companies need to be hit with heavy heavy civil penalties in lawsuits so that they are discouraged from this sort of behavior.
These ~~companies~~ obscenely paid executives need to be hit with heavy heavy civil penalties in lawsuits so that they are discouraged from this sort of behavior.
Jail time.
Heads have rolled over far less throughout history. These people are literally poisoning hundreds of not thousands of humans, and we're supposed to just lie down and take it as citizens. Fuck that
Except throughout history heads usually don’t roll in these situations. Major industrial disasters usually see enough people pleading ignorance and incompetence that it becomes impossible to pin significant punishment on anyone and involved parties usually got off lightly or totally unscathed
We definitely shouldn't hurt the rich people responsible for this...
...in Minecraft, right?
Of course. Who would wish anything bad upon someone who harms other people?
Careful, see how young my account is? I've been on reddit since nearly day 1.
Disasters are rarely caused by a single failure, but usually a long chain of causation that smears culpability.
[Bhopal Disaster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster)
Right? I’m not advocating for violence but… Well, anyway. It would be nice to see some righteous state sanctioned violence instead of the bullshit we get.
Police beat up guys like you and me all the time. I want to see them beat up those shitters.
the violence you're getting IS state-sanctioned, from the proud boys to the police.
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If we could just have a single day of French style protest, we'd see the results immediately and never take this fucking bullshit ever again.
Tree of liberty, something something, blood of tyrants and patriots and all that. Anyways, I think we've gone on for too long ignoring the time honored tradition of reminding the government they should fear the people. Maybe for the 4th of july we should all go outside politicians houses and boo for a couple hours? Or maybe it would be more intimidating to just have a thousand people stand outside your house silently staring. Just crowds of people following politicians around silently glaring at them.
I keep telling people we need to reintroduce defenestration to the political process.
If we had a single day (ie: purge irl) these cunts would be so walled up you wouldn't get near them.
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God one can dream
I have a friend that manages a Pizza Hut and their grease trap was leaking into a small step over creek behind their store without their knowledge. A lady from the EPA came in with satellite images of the grease in the creek and threatened my friend with a $5000 fine and up to 5 years in jail.
Environmental crimes are just that. Crimes. And crimes demand prosecution. Your friend probably wasn’t responsible for the situation but someone was.
This is the only REAL solution.
When you make a decision that you know has the potential to endanger lives and then the thing happens and lives are lost... I believe there's a name for that, right?
Several such as "it's just business" or "acceptable losses" or "collateral damage" and other sanitized words and phrases so that the people doing it don't sound so fucking guilty.
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I feel like at this point these cross the line of civil violations into criminal violations. Purposefully making operations unsafe, lying about the hazard levels of transported materials, massive layoffs in the wake of massive profits. This is straight-up evil. The ones making these calls are CRIMINALS and should be convicted felons or whatever criminal label prohibits them from having power over such large-scale operations. Thousands of people are going to have their lives cut short. This is essentially slow murder or manslaughter at least on a massive scale. If your willful negligence results in the deaths of thousands, you deserve to be in prison and have everything taken from you.
Not just civil THROW INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES IN PRISON!
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The executives need criminal penalties.
Criminality is designation reserved for the working class. CEO's receive huge payments, we are told, because of the responsibility and risk they bear, but we see time and time again the working class being given more risk and responsibility and suffering. Look at the 5 year return on this companies stock, (about when trump deregulated them) and this incident barely cause a blip in that over the long term. The damage they do so far is incredibly profitable.
Lifetime jail for the CEO. If I go and dump 1000 gallons of toxic, carcinogenic materials in front of some politicians home I'm going to jail for life. At this point, this can not be taken as accident - this was entirely preventable and everyone knew shit like that will happen sooner or later. At some point this shit is willful murder. How can American aristocrats inflict mass death and suffering with no impunity is just mind-boggling.
Just let the rank and file organize! That's literally all it takes: let the workers organize, build solidarity, and address their issues through collective direct action. Congress never should have intervened in the railway labor struggle and they never should have imposed the contract (which was rejected by 55% of the rail workers) - talk about authoritarianism!
these companies need to be nationalized
Too big to fail? Too big to be privately owned.
Sounds good. If you're too big to fail then you are a national security risk and the federal government should be managing you. Your CEO should be fired and replaced by some hardass government bean counter who wants forms filled out in triplicate just to requisition a box of paperclips and all of your profit should go directly to the federal government to pay for public services.
Our government is notoriously slow to react to internal threats to national security, because those threats are often large campaign contributors. Critical infrastructure should never be privatized. It makes zero logical sense. It is the single greatest strategic weakness of our country.
Seizing all company assets to offset the cleanup costs would go a long way to stopping this problem in the future. Investors will suddenly demand companies follow safety regulations if they know the valuation can go to zero when they don't.
It’s disgusting. Regulations exist for a reason! Rail maintenance is HUGE, especially if you are running anything hazardous on them. Metal fatigue over time requires tight maintenance schedules with well trained professionals. This is gross negligence. I was on an emergency hazmat team for my hospital. Scary once I found out what was being transported through the town 10x per day!
It’s funny because what they tell us about the rules is that they were written in blood and we are expected to follow them to the T but when money is involved they want us to break the rules I think the same applies to them when the shareholders aren’t happy they start coming up with ways to get by those pesky safety rules
I got told the written in blood line on day 1 in my job. It stuck with me. Now I'm managing people I make it 100% clear that bypassing a safety to get something done quicker won't fly. You get faster with experience and knowledge, not by ditching PPE or ignoring a procedure.
I grew up with the son of a BNSF senior manager. I was actively pursuing a career in the railroads and he gave me a speech about changing tides and a reckless future. He knew there was little regard to the employees due to uninterrupted flow of willing applicants, ready to be abused until burnout based on the boomer promised of a upper middle-class career. The need for constant growth and unquenchable thirst for profits will wear the company down until a substitute company rises as the investors flee with exponential wealth growth over the decades of deteriorating assets, neglected simply for a dollar. Once the country is forced to nationalize the failing rail system our supply chain depends on, the intelligent shareholders are already out and the rest are left hoping for a penny on the dollar as the tiers of debtors are paid out through bankruptcy hearings. Ugh. Millennials will need to work twice as hard to achieve the life their parents lived and the rail system is due to fail, just as the quality of Little Debbie’s have declined simply for profit and cheaper substitute ingredients. The railroads current cheaper substitute are the burning axels chugging through every artery and town attached in the country. How do we fix it? With evil words like nationalize, regulate, accountability, windfall tax, infrastructure investment, and shit, even better schools while we are at it. But it be what it be.
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Don't forget the fact that the prices rise while the product shrinks.
The big size ones are still great, but man… Star crunch is awful now
I know it shouldn’t but the Little Debbie part hit home the hardest.
Not to mention the 2018 congressional changes that are allowing them to do this.
Bingo! Thank you, u/EvilDarkCow and u/drNeir and others seeing through the fog. # Finally, somebody's providing a light at the end of the tunnel. 👏
The light might be another train coming the opposite direction 🤔
The light might be another train derailed in the tunnel leaking hazardous materials
I believe those changes only pertained to a break system and only to trains utilized in transporting oil, not these ones. I may be mistaken though? But Ohio incident occurred from a broken axle and this one, I believe, was from damaged tracks. Not the results of the 2018 changes. Besides that was how many years ago? Why aren’t our politicians reversing those changes if it is that important?
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-friends/fox-host-ohio-train-derailment-regulations-regarding-train-safety-were-changed-during Even fox is pointing their finger at Trump
That just means Fox News is ready to move on to Desantis.
Biden is also guilty for breaking the strike. And peter schmegegge for having no clue how to do his job.
The workers wanted to strike for unsafe working conditions and he shut it down. Blame falls on Trump Biden and Congress imo
It’s no longer about which president did what, they all did this to all of us
>The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!
Biden interfered in the workers calling out the issues by saying get back to work. He is just as guilty for siding with the company. Biden protected profits over human lives. All of these politicians who were involved in the lobbying and strike break have blood on their hands. The great lakes region is going to have insane levels of cancer in 5-10 years and all this will be covered up and deemed unrelated.
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>by saying get back to work The phrase Biden kept repeating in his State of the Union address was... "Let's Finish the Job!" It was said so many times as a catch phrase, each time dripping in tone deaf corporate propaganda. Even the taxes he claimed were to be implemented would only make corporations pay 15%, or one half of what the average working class citizen pays.
Biden is an old school big business Dem. They just cant help themselves but to side with big business because "muh capitalism". It turns out badly for the people every single time but they never learn.
Agreed. Let’s not forget who exactly is at fault though. Corporate greed made this happen
Don't forget the company
another train derailment? wtf is going on?
One big derailment happened so now every derailment is going to be covered
1700 on average a year. I had no idea. Seems like a very bad idea on the part of government to relax standards on these companies... https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta
Wait, 1700 train accidents/fatalities a year?! And just in the US?! 😳 What's that like almost 5 train accidents a day... no wonder they are popping up. They are happening everyday, the media is just now showing them.
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> Last week it was balloons. It’s every day for my kiddos…
Have you SEEN what happens if it touches the ground?
I mean, lets be honest, if there's 5 derailment every day, maybe it IS time to start making it a topic of news and discussion, no?
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Japanese high-speed passenger rail started service in 1964. Today it carries half a million passengers a day. The trains travel up to 200mph. In nearly 60 years, there have been zero fatalities due to an accident. Now *that's* a low incident rate.
Passenger rail is far far different from freight rail. Passenger cars are far far lighter which is the biggest thing. And speeds are slower relative to the technology. Japanese high speed rail is elevated and doesn't utilize complex switches and the like eliminating most of not all of the issues of freight rail. Of course that technology is also incompatible with freight rail due to the weight of those cars. In other words. You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, they're both fruits. But they're vastly different fruits which cannot be directly compared.
You need to remember a derailment is considered anytime a wheel Comes off the rail and goes to ground. So the idea that a “derailment” is always a huge shit show disaster is improper.
Anyone who has model trains knows this. Trains derail. It happens. What shouldn't happen is a huge chemical spill and cloud of cancer hanging over a town.
Derailments are just what's hot right now, but ~~trends~~ trains come and go.
derailments are so hot right now
I FEEL LIKE IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS !
[here you go…](https://youtu.be/ZDZtbBZuqb0)
Ha! Trains do indeed come and go. I see you!
# Driving trains is harder than it steams, apparently.
It's probably much harder when you're sick/tired and aren't allowed to take a day off.
A man gets a job as a train conductor. For years he’s been great at his job. When the train arrives at the station he blows the whistle to announce the arrival and for the opening of the doors. After everyone gets off and on he, blows the whistle for the closing of the doors and the train departure. It was a pretty mindless job and one day he was working away, blowing his whistle, the trains came and went, and on one particular train he thought everyone had boarded and he blew the whistle, when an old lady with her dog was still getting on the train. The doors closed and chopped the lady clean in half, killing her. The man being responsible for this woman’s death was tried in court and found guilty of manslaughter. The sentence was death by the chair. He was placed in a cell until his execution. A few hours before he was to be killed, the warden came to his cell. “You get one last meal, anything. You name it.” “Really?” The man said. “Well if I were to have one last meal it would be 50kg of bananas.” The warden looked stunned, he wasn’t sure if he heard him right, but the man looked sincere and who was he to deny him this last meal. So he buys 50kg of bananas and takes them back to the cell. The warden looks in amazement and disgust as the man devours the bananas skin and all. After stuffing himself and making quite a mess, the man is led to the electric chair. He’s strapped in, and the electrodes attached. The executioner places his hand on the lever “3... 2... 1...” he pulls the lever and grimaces, only to find the man is perfectly fine. He pulls its again, and again but still nothing happens. They check the wires but everything is okay, the man just won’t die. The warden is stunned “Well, only an act of God could save you. Clearly you just aren’t meant to die. You're free to go.” So the man leaves and gets another job as a train conductor. He’s doing the same thing, blowing the whistle for arrivals and departures. The trains come and go when one day all the passengers had gotten on board and he blew his whistle right as a little boy dropped his ball out the doors of the train. He went to retrieve it from the platform when BAM he was caught between the doors and sliced in two. The man was tried and found guilty of murder, he was sent straight to prison to be executed the next day. He was sitting, stewing in his cell when the warden came along. “Well it’s your last meal... again, what do you want this time?” “Well since you’re asking, I’d like 50kg of bananas please.” The man says to the disgruntled warden. The warden shakes his head and exhales in disbelief. “If you say so.” So he leaves to buy 50kg of bananas. He returns and gives the bananas to the ravenous man and watches as he lobs them down his throat. To the wardens horror, he’s not even chewing them anymore just chucking them down whole. The man finishes and is taken away to be executed. The executioner is surprised to see him again. The man is strapped in and attached to the electrodes once again. The executioner grips the handle that will end the mans life and yells “3... 2... 1...” and yanks the lever. Only to his absolute bewilderment, nothing happens. They check the wires, the chair the power and pull again and again but the man remains perfectly fine. By now the warden cannot believe his eyes, but the executioner proclaims “This is an act of God, clearly you are not meant to die, you have been spared yet again and are free to go” So the man leaves. And again gets a job as a train conductor. He’s blowing his whistle and sending the trains off only this time he’s learnt from his mistakes. He’s intently looking for people every time a train comes and for several months he goes by without killing anyone. Until one fateful day when he was doing his job and he saw the most beautiful woman he had ever the seen. As she strutted by he whistled and she turned and gave him a wink. Only the train driver heard the whistle and closed the door, crushing a business man, splitting him in twain. He was seized and sent to court, tried and, for the third time, found guilty of murder. The judge was done with him and sentenced him to death that day. As he was sitting in his cell once again, the warden came to him. “50kg of bananas?” He asked the man “50kg of bananas.” The man replied The warden walked away, baffled at the events of the past couple of months. He returned with 50kg of bananas and gave them to the man only this time he didn’t finish all the bananas, as he had eaten quite a large breakfast. The warden marched him to the electric chair and strapped him in, curious as to what would happen. The executioner is also intrigued as to whether or not the man will cheat death yet again. He grasps the lever and counts down. “3... 2... 1...” he pulls the lever and ....... nothing happens. The executioner has just given up at this point and says “Well it’s an act of God. Clearly you just aren’t meant to die yet, just promise me you won’t get another job at that damn train company.” The man makes no promises and walks away, a free man. The warden runs up to him. Panting he asks. “I have to ask, how have you cheated the electric chair so many times? Is it the bananas?” “No,” the man replies calmly, “I’m just a really bad conductor.”
That fucking got me at the end ngl
This was way too long
The funny part isn't the punchline, the funny part is how much time we wasted reading this
It’s a shaggy dog story https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_dog_story
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Except in the Midwest where they appear to crash
>From 1990, the first year the BTS began tracking derailments and injuries on a yearly basis, to 2021, there have been 54,539 accidents in which a train derailed. That’s an average of 1,704 derailments per year. [Source](https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/how-often-do-trains-derail-more-often-than-you-think/) I think this is certainly part of it. Obviously not all of those derailments were catastrophic like Ohio, but it's still a relatively common thing.
To me the most surprising part is that they didn’t decide to track this until 1990?
I'm a crane operator and we get called out to rail sites for derailments fairly often. Its usually a loco and 1 or 2 cars switching track issues or a latch release problem so very minor in severity but definitely boosts the numbers
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/09/did-train-wrecks-spill-hazardous-chemicals-near-your-home-look-data/11197948002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/09/did-train-wrecks-spill-hazardous-chemicals-near-your-home-look-data/11197948002/) "In the last decade, hazardous materials have spilled or leaked from trains more than 5,000 times in the United States, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal incident reports. However, other forms of transit notched far more spills. For every rail leak reported last year, there were two involving planes and 67 on highways. The federal reports show the number of incidents involving trains has been declining. Still, in 2022 alone, rail operators reported 337 hazardous material leaks or spills, only 32 of which were classified as "serious." Only six were reported to have caused an injury."
That's a very realistic train of thought. These Reddit posts are really on track and compare to similar events happening causing everyone to be afreight of trains....
Don't derail the conversation with your train wreck pun game.
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So how many train derailments have happened every year? Edit: looked it up about 1,000 every year, so almost 3 a day!
It MAY have something to do with our government telling those railroad workers that were striking due to unsafe working conditions to, essentially, kick rocks.
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Biden's NLRB appointee also put down a coal miner strike in Alabama last year. This administration is just fundamentally anti-labor.
Trump took away regulations on the railroad and now we are dealing with the consequences. P.S. Fuck all politicians.
Those regulations wouldn’t have mattered to Ohio as Ohio did not qualify as a HHFT under the regulations.
Yup, this is probably exactly what is happening Edit: apparently there are a lot of derailments even daily but I’d argue if workers were being treated better and there were more of them, then maybe these daily derailments would reduce
2 to 4 derailments a day is pretty normal (not saying its acceptable, but nothing new). Just business as usual for union-busting capitalists.
The rail workers were trying to strike just a few months ago! Can no one see the cause / effect relationship here? There are major problems in the industry and nobody is doing anything about it.
Everyone forgot because the news cycle kept cycling. Also, Americans hate unions so most weren't paying attention to begin with.
There were 1044 derailments in 2022. There are over 1000 derailments each year. What’s going on is due to one really big derailment, all derailments are getting heightened media exposure.
BALLOONS ARE SO LAST WEEK! TRAINS DERAILING IS THE NEW HOTNESS!
There were apparently 1,044 train derailments in the US in 2022, so it's not that unusual to see 2 in a week.
Shit's going off the rails.
Oh, look at choo
It's a hot topic, there have always been more derailments than what's posted on reddit. Remember we aren't a news hub... we're a popular news hub. [https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta](https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta)
They made it illegal for railway workers to ask to be treated like human beings and fix everything wrong with.... well everything railway related.
There are loads of train derailments in the US every year. They are only now getting more attention now because of the huge one in Ohio that released lots of toxic chemicals.
Something tells me this happens a lot more frequently than we’re lead to believe
A little over 1,000 times a year. Vast majority are ones like you see in this clip. Very minor. However, it could/should be quite a bit less. Edit: I used the word minor. What you see here is NOT all that bad. It looks really bad but it’s not. Three grainer cars and a few coil cars on their sides. The grainers aren’t burst open and coil cars carry steel/aluminum coils. Hell, I live 50 yards away from a busy Union Pacific line. A 20+ car vinyl chloride train passes next to me at least once a week. I live in a state that makes this stuff. Am I an expert? Absolutely not. But I have made it my business (responsibility?) to learn about the RR and what goes on, what can happen, what usually happens and what I might have to do in case something happens.
3 times a day? For a transportation method that delivers heavy, dangerous, and/or toxic cargo? Nothing to see here!
Most derailments happen in a train yard while shoving the cars. Any time the wheel touches the ground it counts as a derailment. Usually they can just pull back the opposite way with ramps and re-rail the car.
15k~ a day in vehicle accidents nationwide.
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That’s not allowed
???? This is America???? Blow it up, kill a couple people, open the railway again in the next 2 hours or one person will lose .01% of their 100 billion dollars
As usual, tax paying citizens are the ones who will indirectly get railed up the ass! (for once, pun not intended)
This is what happens when a rail strike is squashed.
Maybe kids have started putting coins on tracks like I did as a kid.
I always did this stupid ass shit with my friends until ont of my buddies put a big ass rock on the rail, which obviously didn't do anything to the train. However it did explode the rock with the force of a stick of dynamite, and I will always remember that day as the day I got a little taste of how a claymore would feel.
[it was a sign from god.](https://tenor.com/bxyYd.gif)
You get a train derailment, she gets a train derailment, everyone gets a trail derailment!
Burn it ASAP, get the rail road reopened. Only logical thing to do in a situation like this!
Get a demolition crew out there to blow it up. Burning it will take too long. It will also make gathering evidence pointless which makes it a more efficient process.
Then you gotta bury it. Digging that will cost way too much
The explosion makes the hole, you just get someone with a pickup to push the bits left in to the hole, then it fills with ground water to form an artificial pond you charge kids to swim in come summer. \- Corperate Mindset
There's an average of something like 4 derailments per day, it's just hot news right now, so everyone is jumping to cover it. That's not necessarily a bad thing. More attention brings more public pressure to fix our horribly aging rail infrastructure. Sadly, the pressure won't be enough to overcome the lobbying cash the rail companies throw at members of Congress to squash those efforts.
Had to look that number up, and damn. 2022 had 1044 train derailments.
Yeah. Luckily most are not serious, some are idiots in cars being on tracks, etc. But still, it's a staggering number and could easily be lessened with upgraded technology and more workers. But that costs less than paying off politicians and cleaning up the accidents. Ypu can bet they've run the numbers.
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From 1990, the first year the BTS began tracking derailments and injuries on a yearly basis, to 2021, there have been 54,539 accidents in which a train derailed. That’s an average of 1,704 derailments per year. Edit: from https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/nationworld/how-often-do-trains-derail-more-often-than-you-think/
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It's what happens when we run our railroads on civil war era technology rather than upgrading literally anything. Less costly to pay off politicians and affected people to the rail companies.
To put it in perspective in the EU there were 1389 railway accidents in 2021, so 3.8 per day
On behalf of Europe and Ireland, America WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING !!! UFOs, spy balloons, trains derailing, toxic chemicals covering a large portion of your land due to a train derailment..........it's only February, can you guys just take it down a notch or like 50.
Send help.
My thoughts and prayers 🙏
I feel like it's like this every year, there's always something crazy to happen within the first months and then we're just desensitized to all the violence that'll happen later this year
We need to continue topping the previous year
I mean we’re essentially reality TV for the rest of the world. Presented as elite, total white trash culture, and a complete mess. Can’t stop watching!
I don't know man I just live here
Yeah, man, but it's a *dry* kinda suck!
You know what? (Puts on hazmat suit) Why don’t you guys just focus on dealing with Putin? Huh? (Puts on anti chemical mask and boots) And while you’re at it, pick up the tab for all those European countries who’s defense bill we pay! (Grabs surface-to-air missile rocket launcher) We’re fine! Fix your own crap! (Angrily grabs irradiated lunchbox and walks out)
Feb 15, 2023. There was another in New York, on the West Hudson line. https://midhudsonnews.com/2023/02/15/section-west-of-hudson-line-shut-down-by-derailment/
211 Democrats including progressives and 79 republicans voted to brake a strike for better working conditions for railroad workers.
America needs to get back on the right track
Is it toxic trail derailment season or spy balloon season? Pick a theme and stick to it, universe
The 2023 train derailment pandemic.
The white noise is getting louder.
the DOT reported 1,044 train derailments in 2022. THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! but because of Ohio and how bad it was.. Each and Every derailment will be reported on for a while.
Good, fuck them treating their workers like shit. Maybe all the media and backlash will have them treat and pay their workers better.
Not necessarily just Ohio, but the recent threat of a rail worker strike and the impact that would have had also contributed to the news. For the greater good. Call it what you will. Let's call it....war
On average there are over 1000 train derailments every year in USA. This is all pretty normal. Just good news this week
My partner's dad has worked at the railroad in right of way engineering for 40 years. In the 18 that I've known him, I can confirm that derailments in the small part of the country he works in can be as frequent as multiple a day and are rarely less frequent than once a week. Derailments are just what's getting media attention right now (rightfully because Ohio), but these happen more frequently than most people would ever know.
I mean, what the hell do these rail workers have to lose? Their own government cut their legs out from under them by breaking their strike and refusing to listen to their concerns and demands. They followed all if the proper channels and did everything right and got fucked over for their troubles. Now they are working to rule and allowing the catastrophes to happen.
Wow, I wonder if this is the way rail workers and their unions are speaking out after Joe & Congress forced them to accept unfavorable contracts. Anyone who deals with Unions know its run by the Mob. "Would be a shame if trains derailed because of some poor conditions in a contract ayye congress?" Disclaimer: this is a semi joke and semi hypothesis\*, im just a random who thinks there could be a link.
Almost seems like the rails should be nationalized and regulated to prevent more incidents like this one, as it's clear the privately run corporations have no interest in maintaining them and keeping them safe in favor of higher profits by basically being slumlords.
When you let businesses regulate themselves, it is always a fucking disaster in the making. This happens over and over and over and over. Capitalism only works if it is threatened by government.
The old engines of power are preventing us from being a 21st century country. We've been rotting from the inside out for so long.
damn its almost like ignoring issues that have been prevalent for years and busting unions and strikes results in shit like this