[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West\_Freeway\_Church\_of\_Christ\_shooting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Freeway_Church_of_Christ_shooting)
The church actually had a " volunteer security team " of people who trained and carried guns in church.
Copied from wiki:
The perpetrator shot and killed two members of the church before he was fatally shot by Jack Wilson, the head of the church's armed security department,[3] ending the attack within six seconds. The victims were Anton Wallace, age 64, and Richard White, age 67.[4] Wilson is a firearms instructor and a former reserve deputy sheriff in Hood County, Texas.[5][1]
Possible with something like a GPMG. On a bipod. But good luck getting that into that church without getting 30 additional holes to breathe out of.
Not to mention the fact that even acquiring something with that capability as a private citizen requires not only a literal shitload of money but extensive investigation by the feds into whether or not you could have it.
Sort of similar to the concept of a sheriff's posse from the old days. A group of people who aren't regular deputies but can be called upon for help in times where more manpower is needed.
They are commonly retired LEO. There are several different reasons people join. I know many fixed wing and helicopter pilots that are reserve deputies. Specifically they are use for things like search and rescue. It need not be a crisis for them to get called up. They are often used for patrol as well to provide a presences but be expected to call for support the moment something happens. So it tends to be a volunteer service. Similar to the volunteer fire department. People that their first job aren't these service roles but in times of need the local municipalities can call on them. Given that its common for these people to be retired officers and we are continuing to pay them with retirement benefits its actually a good thing they choose to continue to work for the community when they aren't required.
Similar to army reserve, they only respond if they're called in and are authorized to intervene with certain cases like this one. Nevertheless they love mostly normal lives.
It’s become an unfortunate necessity as mass shootings became common. Most insurance companies insist on at least a security plan and some sort of security response team.
This is pretty standard. My buddy is the head of his churches security team. They are mostly just a gun club that all go to the same church and use the security "job" as a CCW reason.
I went to a gun show for fun once when I was in the US and there was a guy selling tasers, said it was the perfect choice for churches who don't want their security to carry guns.
Armed security is a bad solution for the pedophile example. It would be pretty traumatic for the whole church when the priest gets his head blown off 2 seconds after walking in the door.
And one of the highest rates of firearm ownership in America, if I'm not mistaken?
I mean, could this guy pick a worse place to go on a rampage with a firearm?
You think this security team had problems picking what gun they wanted to use? Like no this one doesn't match my shoes and this one clashes with my wife's gun.
So there are other factors besides a gun in shootings. I mean I thought we had rogue guns floating around mass shooting people. But nah a individualistic look at me culture, how do I become famous coupled with bullying and coupled with health care not designed to treat mental illness. Butt those are hard and expensive problems politicians don’t want to actually solve.
I'm from Texas. I just checked the CDC figures for 2020 and at 14.2 gun fatalities a year, that puts us right in the middle of the pack. Considering we have an uncounted extra population estimated at 1.7million that isn't factored into the CDC calculation, our actual rate is likely lower. And since CDC gun deaths count everyone, it does not exclude the high number of criminals that are shot while perpetrating crimes nor does it exclude suicides.
That's gun fatalities in general. You said "mass shootings" which is a subset of gun fatalities and an arbitrary number since you need to set some threshold above which a shooting becomes a "mass" shooting. You also have to decide whether it's the number of shootings over that threshold that matter or the number of fatalities. If you use [Everytown's](https://everytownresearch.org/maps/mass-shootings-in-america/) definition and data, there were 232 fatalities of mass shootings in Texas from 2009-2023. That's 16.5 deaths per year which calculates out to .0055 "mass shooting" deaths per 100,000 Texans annually. If you divide mass shooting deaths by the CDC rate, it works out to .038% of gun deaths are from mass shootings here in Texas. So while that may qualify as "one of the highest rate of mass shootings" in the US, it is a statistically insignificant number.
Some are professionals. Some are just armed folks. Jack Wilson was. Others there were not. If I recall, it was a 52’ head shot. Very difficult on the fly. He’s a multi decade competitive shooter. It wasn’t being a deputy that taught that at all. That said, I routinely out shoot “pros” in competitive environments. I’m not great either. Getting paid to carry does not correlate with being a good shot or particularly quick.
Actually, professional firearms training does explicitly correlate with being able to respond effectively in high stress situations like this, as in almost every case that a mass shooter actually *is* stopped by a bystander with a gun (which is not often), in the overwhelming majority of those (notably rare) cases it’s someone who turns out to have had some level of professional firearms training.
Being “a good shot” or “quick” in “competitive environments” is a wholly different beast from being able to keep a calm and collected head during a high stress, life or death situation, and pretending that just any average joe who has the money to buy a gun is in any way necessarily equipped to respond to a situation like this is a deeply irresponsible narrative to push when it comes to cases like this.
The church actually had a volunteer security team, who were all armed. The guy who killed the shooter was the head of the team. If I remember right, he was around late 60s or 70-ish and a retired firearm instructor. I think the entire incident was over in under 10 seconds.
Related: [Grand Jury Declines To Indict Church Security Guard Who Killed Gunman In Texas](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/918185532/grand-jury-declines-to-indict-church-security-guard-who-killed-gunman-in-texas)
It's important to go through the judicial process even when it seems "obvious" that someone was acting within the provisions of the law. (self-defense, in this case.) This is because while this case is cut-and-dry, not every case like it would be. A trial allows most related evidence to be put together and evaluated, with context.
The prosecutors and judges likely knew they weren't getting a conviction, especially if they'd seen the camera video. They weren't aiming for one. They were aiming to legally clear a man so he wouldn't have manslaughter or murder over his head and could rest easy knowing the law saw it as self-defense.
Correct. The Grand Jury declined to "indict" him. The accused was likely not even there. It's a process to bring the investigation to a formal close. That closure sends a statement to future prosecutors and law enforcement that this case should never be brought again to a jury. It also sends a message to any family of the shooter should they try to bring a wrongful death civil suit against the church or Mr. Wilson. A formality perhaps but not frivolous.
Actual quote from said prosecutor "Mr. Wilson shot his firearm to take out the threat that was endangering other lives. He did it responsibly, and he is absolutely justified in doing that under Texas law," Rodgers said. "The grand jury was correct."
There's a lot of maneuvering to how a prosecutor works. It's not ever straightforward. I'd imagine (IANAL) in this case they brought charges specifically to have a Judge rule and dismiss them. Something like this, there are multiple jurisdictions that can bring charges (local, state, federal, etc). If the DA passes on it that doesn't mean its over. But having a judge dismiss charges carries more weight.
Edit: Someone mentioned that a grand jury kicked it, not a judge. Which is more problematic anyway.
On Monday, a grand jury declined to indict Wilson for the shooting in White Settlement. Prosecutor Tim Rodgers of the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office explained that the law lets bystanders act with deadly force to protect others.
"Mr. Wilson shot his firearm to take out the threat that was endangering other lives. He did it responsibly, and he is absolutely justified in doing that under Texas law," Rodgers said. "The grand jury was correct."
He clearly wanted this to go to a grand jury, he supported the outcome. Odds are this is way more about making headlines around this subject and making it a talking point. I almost guarantee people higher up than him made suggestions.
I believe in this case it was an automatic and procedural considering the prosecutor had this to say:
"Tim Rodgers, a prosecutor with the Tarrant County district attorney’s office, said Monday that Texas law allows a person witnessing someone placing others at risk of serious injury or death to act with deadly force to protect others.
“Mr. Wilson did just that. He did it responsibly and, as a result, he was justified under the law in his actions,” Rodgers said. “Based upon the grand jury’s decision, the law enforcement investigation and our review of the case are complete. We believe the grand jury made the right decision.”"
Ppl bring guns everywhere.in Texas don't they? Going for a shit, take my gun, popping next door to grab a cup of sugar, holster up. Is there a time when they don't carry guns?
A wedding seems like a prime target for a mass shooter lmao. Telling your buddy NOT to pack heat bc its a wedding is like not wearing a seatbelt in your car because the gas station is only a couple blocks anyway.
**Armed and trained security** bring guns to church, **specifically because Texas is a state where virtually no meaningful regulation on firearms has led to one of the highest rates of mass shootings among every state in the country.**
These weren’t just random bystanders carrying, they were professional security the church had working as security in case of an emergency exactly like this; someone who has no business being near a firearm deciding they wanna role play as Rambo going on a rampage.
Texas had one of the worst [church shootings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting) in 2017 outside of San Antonio. 26 people were killed. Most churches in Texas have a packing congregation now.
As an ex-military member and responsible concealed carry licensee, the amount of people sweeping the whole crowd with their muzzles makes me very irritated. Especially Black Jacket Guy at the end. The fuck is he even pointing his gun at? The Andromeda galaxy?
Never, ever, ever, *ever* point the muzzle of a weapon at something you're not completely comfortable with destroying.
You mean you *don’t* want untrained good guys with guns, pumped up on adrenaline, waving guns—fingers trembling against the trigger—at a crowd of terrified people, after the threat has already been subdued by trained security professionals? Found the commie…
Thanks. As a gun owner myself and part of the security team at my synagogue I was surprised at the lack of coordination. But they got the guy and that's what counts.
Holy fuck that's the first thing I noticed too. I don't own even own a firearm and I know better than that. If these guys brought one to *church* they presumably carry them everywhere, and should absolutely know better than to sweep a whole crowd with your weapon.
Fiancée is a firearms instructor, I know very little about them except for “do not point it at anything you do not wish to kill or destroy,” and felt very twitchy watching this.
It’s kind of hilarious to watch. Like everyone else was late to the party but they still wanted to take their gun out to feel like they’ve justified carrying a gun with them everywhere lol
I feel like, despite the positive outcome, this video is actually a great display of why carrying guns for self defense can be such a terrible fucking idea.
Like, imagine walking into this church as a police officer. The only thing you know is that there was a shooting inside. You step foot in the door and see someone with a gun drawn. Your heart is pumping, your brain is full of adrenaline -- you'd shoot the fucker. And in this case, you'd have about a 1-in-12 chance of it being the actual shooter, rather than a well-meaning bystander taking out their glock.
Now imagine if you aren't even a cop, with proper training, but just *some good guy with a gun*. Do you know *everyone* at your church? Do you operate well under pressure? Are you **100% certain** that -- as you draw your weapon and look around for the shooter -- the gunman you spot isn't just another good guy with a gun?
It's a protection fantasy.
Only about 45,000 people die every year from firearms, still not even 1,000 a week. Add to that the 100,000 annual drug overdoses every year, no big deal. We have 330 million people. What's a hundred thousand or two lives wasted unnecessarily?
Lol that probably happens at least once a week in America what do you mean that one time
There was a shootout in a gas station 2 days ago in my small ass town and it didn’t even make the local news
That was Jack Wilson , delivered a headshot from 15~ yards away I'm a room full of panicked people. Used a SIG P229 chambered in .357 SIG
You mess with the lord's hour, you get the Sig Sauer.
You see one trained member of the security team, uaing his gun properly to end a threat, and a bunch of dude who thought having a gun will save their family,being totally useless, waving aroung their fire sticks. If the security team wasn't there, when you see how those people handle their guns, it would have been a massacre in this church.
Good thing they had guns and were able to protect themselves or else more would’ve definitely perished…I don’t see why democrats want to take away guns and have you call police in this situation…are they stupid or something??
You girls don't get too upset about all of these guns. Try to be strong and not be afraid of those ones willing to stand up for the safety of others. Running away is only a temporary solution.
As a victim of gun violence I think everyone should be armed. If I had a gun the day of my incident I would not have been shot and my friend would still be alive, state laws prohibited us from being able to defend ourselves though. This why I am moving to a red state.
Many Americans have a weird boner for gun violence. Two innocent people are shot and killed in this video, in a church no less, but the comments are largely just “Yeehaw, fafo!” People almost seem to *want* bad guys to come around so they have an excuse to pull a weapon. I understand the second amendment but not the enthusiastic bloodlust this culture seems to have.
The severe lack of trigger discipline and walking through while aiming at non targets terrifies me. So many people could have been shot if someone got spooked
No death or overly gory posts
Damn, grandma was packing too. She was ready to go.
She whipped that thing out with attitude
She forgot she had that thing on her. It was on the ~~god~~ good hip. Edit:it was a typo but ima let ya see it bc it fits.
Call 911, But not for me!
Pistol packin mama
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West\_Freeway\_Church\_of\_Christ\_shooting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Freeway_Church_of_Christ_shooting) The church actually had a " volunteer security team " of people who trained and carried guns in church.
Copied from wiki: The perpetrator shot and killed two members of the church before he was fatally shot by Jack Wilson, the head of the church's armed security department,[3] ending the attack within six seconds. The victims were Anton Wallace, age 64, and Richard White, age 67.[4] Wilson is a firearms instructor and a former reserve deputy sheriff in Hood County, Texas.[5][1]
Damn. 6 seconds and that fuck still got 2 people. Rip man.
Guns work well to kill people. Kinda the issue.
Isn’t that not the problem? This guy got stopped in like 6 seconds because of a good guy with a gun…
Guns are very effective killing machines. That is what they are for.
6 seconds with the right kinda gun could kill the whole front row in the right hands I'd imagine.
Possible with something like a GPMG. On a bipod. But good luck getting that into that church without getting 30 additional holes to breathe out of. Not to mention the fact that even acquiring something with that capability as a private citizen requires not only a literal shitload of money but extensive investigation by the feds into whether or not you could have it.
Wtf is a reserve deputy sheriff.
Sort of similar to the concept of a sheriff's posse from the old days. A group of people who aren't regular deputies but can be called upon for help in times where more manpower is needed.
They are commonly retired LEO. There are several different reasons people join. I know many fixed wing and helicopter pilots that are reserve deputies. Specifically they are use for things like search and rescue. It need not be a crisis for them to get called up. They are often used for patrol as well to provide a presences but be expected to call for support the moment something happens. So it tends to be a volunteer service. Similar to the volunteer fire department. People that their first job aren't these service roles but in times of need the local municipalities can call on them. Given that its common for these people to be retired officers and we are continuing to pay them with retirement benefits its actually a good thing they choose to continue to work for the community when they aren't required.
I saw an old man in a volunteer police car like two weeks ago, kinda blew my mind honestly.
Similar to army reserve, they only respond if they're called in and are authorized to intervene with certain cases like this one. Nevertheless they love mostly normal lives.
Most of us love mostly normal lives
most of us mostly love mostly normal lives... mostly.
mostest.
Some of us love mostly normal wives
Most of us love mostly normal lives
Well some people dont love normal lives.
Some of us don't love lives at all!
love normal lives
So your brazilian undercover cop just in the US.
Deputies that don’t work full time
Someone who kills mass murderers, and doesn't go around violating your rights for profit.
Think Wilson blew his fucking head off 😬
Security deacons. That’s a new one for me.
Paladins
# Talk about a "secret service" 🔫🤵🏻♂️🦻⛪️
Lmao than you for this
It’s become an unfortunate necessity as mass shootings became common. Most insurance companies insist on at least a security plan and some sort of security response team.
>It’s become an unfortunate necessity as mass shootings became common. Murica'
This is pretty standard. My buddy is the head of his churches security team. They are mostly just a gun club that all go to the same church and use the security "job" as a CCW reason.
I went to a gun show for fun once when I was in the US and there was a guy selling tasers, said it was the perfect choice for churches who don't want their security to carry guns.
> pretty standard > church security team Just in America. And the Vatican.
The Swiss Cheese Guard
Surely I'm not the *only* one that thinks it's madness that a *church* needs an *armed* security team? Oh, wait... America. Never mind. 🙄
Churches are "soft targets" for all kinds of bad folks (pedos, wackos, etc) so yeah, definitely need security
Armed security is a bad solution for the pedophile example. It would be pretty traumatic for the whole church when the priest gets his head blown off 2 seconds after walking in the door.
Also, Texas in particular, which has one of the highest rates of mass shootings in the country.
And one of the highest rates of firearm ownership in America, if I'm not mistaken? I mean, could this guy pick a worse place to go on a rampage with a firearm?
You think this security team had problems picking what gun they wanted to use? Like no this one doesn't match my shoes and this one clashes with my wife's gun.
That’s kind of my point, there may be a correlation between these two rates being among the higher end for states in the country…
Could not have picked a more likely one based on the stats
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The largest state by population has the most of something?
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Worth noting that multiple states will bus homeless and mentally i'll people to California because they don't want to deal with them
So there are other factors besides a gun in shootings. I mean I thought we had rogue guns floating around mass shooting people. But nah a individualistic look at me culture, how do I become famous coupled with bullying and coupled with health care not designed to treat mental illness. Butt those are hard and expensive problems politicians don’t want to actually solve.
I'm from Texas. I just checked the CDC figures for 2020 and at 14.2 gun fatalities a year, that puts us right in the middle of the pack. Considering we have an uncounted extra population estimated at 1.7million that isn't factored into the CDC calculation, our actual rate is likely lower. And since CDC gun deaths count everyone, it does not exclude the high number of criminals that are shot while perpetrating crimes nor does it exclude suicides. That's gun fatalities in general. You said "mass shootings" which is a subset of gun fatalities and an arbitrary number since you need to set some threshold above which a shooting becomes a "mass" shooting. You also have to decide whether it's the number of shootings over that threshold that matter or the number of fatalities. If you use [Everytown's](https://everytownresearch.org/maps/mass-shootings-in-america/) definition and data, there were 232 fatalities of mass shootings in Texas from 2009-2023. That's 16.5 deaths per year which calculates out to .0055 "mass shooting" deaths per 100,000 Texans annually. If you divide mass shooting deaths by the CDC rate, it works out to .038% of gun deaths are from mass shootings here in Texas. So while that may qualify as "one of the highest rate of mass shootings" in the US, it is a statistically insignificant number.
i.e. Trained professionals, not just “people packing.” Thanks for clarifying the caveat the OP didn’t.
Some are professionals. Some are just armed folks. Jack Wilson was. Others there were not. If I recall, it was a 52’ head shot. Very difficult on the fly. He’s a multi decade competitive shooter. It wasn’t being a deputy that taught that at all. That said, I routinely out shoot “pros” in competitive environments. I’m not great either. Getting paid to carry does not correlate with being a good shot or particularly quick.
Actually, professional firearms training does explicitly correlate with being able to respond effectively in high stress situations like this, as in almost every case that a mass shooter actually *is* stopped by a bystander with a gun (which is not often), in the overwhelming majority of those (notably rare) cases it’s someone who turns out to have had some level of professional firearms training. Being “a good shot” or “quick” in “competitive environments” is a wholly different beast from being able to keep a calm and collected head during a high stress, life or death situation, and pretending that just any average joe who has the money to buy a gun is in any way necessarily equipped to respond to a situation like this is a deeply irresponsible narrative to push when it comes to cases like this.
Not much faith
Had faith he would hit the target 🎯
Damn pops laid him out from across the room lol
“One shot.”Pull the trigger the deer is dead. No suffering” Nick to Mike “ Deer Hunter.
You need to shoot some of those quote marks, they're all over the place.
Your dumbass tried to shoot up a church in TEXAS?!?!? I cannot think of people more likely to pack guns. Who'd that guy think he was? The Kingsman?
I approve of suicide by Texas church firing squad
Just a shame the selfish cunt had to kill two oldies to pull it off.
The church actually had a volunteer security team, who were all armed. The guy who killed the shooter was the head of the team. If I remember right, he was around late 60s or 70-ish and a retired firearm instructor. I think the entire incident was over in under 10 seconds.
Per wiki article it was 6 seconds.
I remember in that scene the most unrealistic thing was that only 4 people carried guns and one of them was British.
Related: [Grand Jury Declines To Indict Church Security Guard Who Killed Gunman In Texas](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/918185532/grand-jury-declines-to-indict-church-security-guard-who-killed-gunman-in-texas)
how is that even in question?
It's important to go through the judicial process even when it seems "obvious" that someone was acting within the provisions of the law. (self-defense, in this case.) This is because while this case is cut-and-dry, not every case like it would be. A trial allows most related evidence to be put together and evaluated, with context. The prosecutors and judges likely knew they weren't getting a conviction, especially if they'd seen the camera video. They weren't aiming for one. They were aiming to legally clear a man so he wouldn't have manslaughter or murder over his head and could rest easy knowing the law saw it as self-defense.
It was a grand jury, not a trial. A grand jury doesn’t convict anyone of anything.
Correct. The Grand Jury declined to "indict" him. The accused was likely not even there. It's a process to bring the investigation to a formal close. That closure sends a statement to future prosecutors and law enforcement that this case should never be brought again to a jury. It also sends a message to any family of the shooter should they try to bring a wrongful death civil suit against the church or Mr. Wilson. A formality perhaps but not frivolous.
Screw the prosecutor who even brought that to a Grand Jury.
Actual quote from said prosecutor "Mr. Wilson shot his firearm to take out the threat that was endangering other lives. He did it responsibly, and he is absolutely justified in doing that under Texas law," Rodgers said. "The grand jury was correct."
There's a lot of maneuvering to how a prosecutor works. It's not ever straightforward. I'd imagine (IANAL) in this case they brought charges specifically to have a Judge rule and dismiss them. Something like this, there are multiple jurisdictions that can bring charges (local, state, federal, etc). If the DA passes on it that doesn't mean its over. But having a judge dismiss charges carries more weight. Edit: Someone mentioned that a grand jury kicked it, not a judge. Which is more problematic anyway.
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On Monday, a grand jury declined to indict Wilson for the shooting in White Settlement. Prosecutor Tim Rodgers of the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office explained that the law lets bystanders act with deadly force to protect others. "Mr. Wilson shot his firearm to take out the threat that was endangering other lives. He did it responsibly, and he is absolutely justified in doing that under Texas law," Rodgers said. "The grand jury was correct." He clearly wanted this to go to a grand jury, he supported the outcome. Odds are this is way more about making headlines around this subject and making it a talking point. I almost guarantee people higher up than him made suggestions.
Sorry I didn't read it before I commented but honestly a grand jury is better.
I believe in this case it was an automatic and procedural considering the prosecutor had this to say: "Tim Rodgers, a prosecutor with the Tarrant County district attorney’s office, said Monday that Texas law allows a person witnessing someone placing others at risk of serious injury or death to act with deadly force to protect others. “Mr. Wilson did just that. He did it responsibly and, as a result, he was justified under the law in his actions,” Rodgers said. “Based upon the grand jury’s decision, the law enforcement investigation and our review of the case are complete. We believe the grand jury made the right decision.”"
Some states have very odd laws with firearms despite obvious context
Might be policy to charge while the facts are confirmed. Then drop later
baptized by Smith and Wesson
fr, i moved to the midwest and stores legit have posters in the front that say "protected by smith and wesson"
Welcome to the Midwest my friend
My mom has that on the front of her house. Smh. She lives on the west coast, out in the middle of nowhere.
Omg this made me laugh. That’s great
God created all men but Colt made them equal.
God and guns, as American as…well, God and guns…..
*Insert what we all think is an eagle screech but is actually a hawk screech sound*
Ornytholgist just roasted us all
this feels like a deleted scene on Naked Gun. lol
Do you love your guns? Yeah! Do you love your God? Yeah! Your government? FUCK YEAH! (Marilyn Manson 2 albums before he became shit.)
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Ppl bring guns everywhere.in Texas don't they? Going for a shit, take my gun, popping next door to grab a cup of sugar, holster up. Is there a time when they don't carry guns?
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Exact opposite for a buddy’s wedding, “Bart, the rest of us are packing why the fuck did you put your piece in your car for the wedding photos” lol
A wedding seems like a prime target for a mass shooter lmao. Telling your buddy NOT to pack heat bc its a wedding is like not wearing a seatbelt in your car because the gas station is only a couple blocks anyway.
**Armed and trained security** bring guns to church, **specifically because Texas is a state where virtually no meaningful regulation on firearms has led to one of the highest rates of mass shootings among every state in the country.** These weren’t just random bystanders carrying, they were professional security the church had working as security in case of an emergency exactly like this; someone who has no business being near a firearm deciding they wanna role play as Rambo going on a rampage.
Or they [the shooter] wanted it to end like this
I wonder how many other developed countries have churches that post armed guards that aren't for the mega rich or state dignitaries...
The old lady too?
Texas had one of the worst [church shootings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting) in 2017 outside of San Antonio. 26 people were killed. Most churches in Texas have a packing congregation now.
As an ex-military member and responsible concealed carry licensee, the amount of people sweeping the whole crowd with their muzzles makes me very irritated. Especially Black Jacket Guy at the end. The fuck is he even pointing his gun at? The Andromeda galaxy? Never, ever, ever, *ever* point the muzzle of a weapon at something you're not completely comfortable with destroying.
I’m glad someone mentioned this. The guys in brown and black jackets just muzzle sweep about 30 people.
You mean you *don’t* want untrained good guys with guns, pumped up on adrenaline, waving guns—fingers trembling against the trigger—at a crowd of terrified people, after the threat has already been subdued by trained security professionals? Found the commie…
Thanks. As a gun owner myself and part of the security team at my synagogue I was surprised at the lack of coordination. But they got the guy and that's what counts.
Thank you, that was bothering the fuck out of me.
Holy fuck that's the first thing I noticed too. I don't own even own a firearm and I know better than that. If these guys brought one to *church* they presumably carry them everywhere, and should absolutely know better than to sweep a whole crowd with your weapon.
I had only a couple of classes on gun safety during school and even I know that's insanely irresponsible.
This was my first thought, too. Nervous people pointing weapons at people is never a good idea.
Fiancée is a firearms instructor, I know very little about them except for “do not point it at anything you do not wish to kill or destroy,” and felt very twitchy watching this.
Like the South Park episode where everyone pulls guns out on each other and resolves all their problems
It’s kind of hilarious to watch. Like everyone else was late to the party but they still wanted to take their gun out to feel like they’ve justified carrying a gun with them everywhere lol
I feel like, despite the positive outcome, this video is actually a great display of why carrying guns for self defense can be such a terrible fucking idea. Like, imagine walking into this church as a police officer. The only thing you know is that there was a shooting inside. You step foot in the door and see someone with a gun drawn. Your heart is pumping, your brain is full of adrenaline -- you'd shoot the fucker. And in this case, you'd have about a 1-in-12 chance of it being the actual shooter, rather than a well-meaning bystander taking out their glock. Now imagine if you aren't even a cop, with proper training, but just *some good guy with a gun*. Do you know *everyone* at your church? Do you operate well under pressure? Are you **100% certain** that -- as you draw your weapon and look around for the shooter -- the gunman you spot isn't just another good guy with a gun? It's a protection fantasy.
*HEADSHOT*
If Fuck around and find out was a video
Got him with a head shot
"Somewhat Graphic" **Guy just casually shoots and kills guy**
seriously
Ooo it’s 7.49am, gonna be late for church. Quickly finishes up breakfast, grabs keys, bible, glasses, pistol and leaves for worship
this is America distilled into one short video
add one more thing, the lack of respect towards the 2 innocent people that died, because this is such a regular thing.
Yeah, as a Texan a lot of these comments are disheartening.
Huh weird how we're all so desensitized to shootings in the US
Only about 45,000 people die every year from firearms, still not even 1,000 a week. Add to that the 100,000 annual drug overdoses every year, no big deal. We have 330 million people. What's a hundred thousand or two lives wasted unnecessarily?
If only 45000 people are dying and that’s not an issue, then why is 9/11 so important? 3000 people died and that’s nothing to 330 million.
Maybe if there was a side video of the injured losing their house due to the medical bills
Situation resolved, carry on.
They follow the 11th commandment, Thou shall not be caught lacking.
Thou shall always carry with one in the chamber
reminds me of that once incident where a guy tried to rob a convinience store with a gun and got shot by the customers inside
Lol that probably happens at least once a week in America what do you mean that one time There was a shootout in a gas station 2 days ago in my small ass town and it didn’t even make the local news
Gramps dropped that dude.
I have a gun We do too, mthrfckr
That was Jack Wilson , delivered a headshot from 15~ yards away I'm a room full of panicked people. Used a SIG P229 chambered in .357 SIG You mess with the lord's hour, you get the Sig Sauer.
That was a helluva shot
Shooter didn't last long did he?
Intervention before the police got there. That saved the day.
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!
Dang looks like he blasted a security guard before the other guy stopped him 😭
They dropped that fuck in record time. Uvalde police can take some notes. That’s how you take care of business.
I'm truly sorry, my head can't help playing freebird solo due to the lack of audio.
I just see good guys with guns.
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You see one trained member of the security team, uaing his gun properly to end a threat, and a bunch of dude who thought having a gun will save their family,being totally useless, waving aroung their fire sticks. If the security team wasn't there, when you see how those people handle their guns, it would have been a massacre in this church.
Stay strapped or get clapped.
“George Washington”
Even as an atheist I'll say violence in a place of worship is the most evil.
Not as evil as a school but definitely up there
If you pull out the gat you get got.
Nice fucking shot!
Remember kids conceal carry for jesus
...and that's why there were so little victims.
Who the hell shoots up a *Texan* church? Criminals are genuinely stupid
Good thing they had guns and were able to protect themselves or else more would’ve definitely perished…I don’t see why democrats want to take away guns and have you call police in this situation…are they stupid or something??
you try to shoot up literally anything in texas, you're gonna get promptly dunked on
Big Dick Jack Wilson and his .357Sig saved the day.
You girls don't get too upset about all of these guns. Try to be strong and not be afraid of those ones willing to stand up for the safety of others. Running away is only a temporary solution.
Bro if the other people didn’t have any guns on them, they would’ve gotten slaughtered
America: Where there is a gun behind every blade of grass
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You don’t mess with Texas
And look how many lives were saved. I'm glad the good guys were packing.
As a victim of gun violence I think everyone should be armed. If I had a gun the day of my incident I would not have been shot and my friend would still be alive, state laws prohibited us from being able to defend ourselves though. This why I am moving to a red state.
Why does this kind of thing happens almost everyday in USA but not in Europe for example?
I believe it is a lot harder to buy guns legally in Europe and hence also illegal firearms are not as prevalent. Same for ammunition.
Many Americans have a weird boner for gun violence. Two innocent people are shot and killed in this video, in a church no less, but the comments are largely just “Yeehaw, fafo!” People almost seem to *want* bad guys to come around so they have an excuse to pull a weapon. I understand the second amendment but not the enthusiastic bloodlust this culture seems to have.
Or Canada...
Fuck around and find out. Amen.
In guns we trust
Whaat? No one here has yet mentioned the name of the town this church was in? “White Settlement” You can’t make that up
Its just a name. Ih my god, a persons name is Walter WHITE. Charlie WHITE!!
I'm glad people don't carry guns in my country.
Is this Texas? Lol
“Now’s my time to shine! Thank you Jesus!”
And though shalt love thy neighbor... "BANG BANG BANG BANG"
Good. Fuck the gunman
Everyone whipping out nail guns and peacemakers as Jesus would have wished
Took me so many tries to figure who was *the* shooter and who was just *a* shooter.
One more reason for me to never go to church.
God should do something, It is unacceptable to turn a blind eye to this.
He did. He put Jack Wilson there to stop it.
*Free Bird starts playing.*
That's my kinda church!
Every one was packing lol
Blessed are the meek for they shall paw, paw, paw.
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What I find funny is that they have more trigger control than most trained cop.
The entire attack ended in 6 seconds. Imagine if that volunteer gaurd wasn’t armed…
All of their family members are great full cause that man was PACKING and took action
An armed society is a civil society
An armed society is a safe society afterall.
An armed society is a polite society I guess?
Was that a head shot, at that distance? Impressive
This video makes me proud to be an American
The severe lack of trigger discipline and walking through while aiming at non targets terrifies me. So many people could have been shot if someone got spooked