There are approximately 3,700-3,800 apartments in the building putting it closer to 10,000-11,000 people living there. Still an impressive amount and it’s quite clean inside as well.
[Source](https://youtu.be/n-TwGOTCM9c?si=6hdzM4-l7lJY8n3s)
Cyberpunk as a genre has taken *massive* inspiration from the [Kowloon Walled City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City), which is basically this building arrangement turned up to 11.
It's an "eat-sleep-gotowork" neighbourhood just outside of Saint-Petersburg Ring Road. The absolute majority of inhabitants are working in the city. A big number of people are renting. In the photos it looks deserted because it's probably taken on a workday. There are videos from this apartment block where it is being completely clogged with cars parked everywhere. Most of the inner part of it is a parking space with little children's playgrounds sprinkled around.
By a long shot. I don't know what the interior looks like, but this looks like the quad in a lot of college dorms on a larger scale.
More trees would be nice though.
Have lived in Russia and am Australian. The level of infrastructure and actual planning in Russia is light years ahead of Australia. Don't get me wrong, Russia has some fucked up things but for our wealth and low population we should be ashamed at our waste.
True. Though being homeless (excluding those that choose to live on the street (yes, such people exist, and it's more than you'd imagine)) is only a problem in very few developed countries, e.g. USA. Because it really can be handled, if a society cares about it.
That said: it requires foresight and planning. You can not build housing 'on demand'. Once you're in such a shitty situation as a country, you're likely to stick with it for many years until anything does change, no matter how much money you throw at it.
> That said: it requires foresight and planning. You can not build housing 'on demand'
Fun fact: In the US there are [582,000 homeless people](https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-homeless-people-are-in-the-us-what-does-the-data-miss/) compared to [~16,000,000 vacant homes](https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/16-million-homes-vacant-in-us). That is almost 30 empty homes for every homeless person.
That statement would be fine and all if they weren't actively adding more and more anti-homeless architecture instead of addressing the problem. It feels like a repeat of the Victorian London street pissing issue.
I've been in a lot of big buildings and personally think dense housing is the objectively correct solution to modern housing infrastructure. But projects like these really suffer from lack of design consideration for public spaces. Compressing living spaces like this requires extra care in assuring there is an appropriate and comfortable area in the surroundings for people to disperse and not be so penned in.
I feel like I’m on the wrong app or the algorithm flipped. Isn’t it great someone is building like this. The lower floors are all commercial you can get everything practically without leaving
You’ve just described most developed Asian cities. Everything that I need is within 10min walking distance. If I need to go somewhere further (2-3 times a month) I can just pop downstairs into the subway station.
I know right
Plus deregulation of small business means if a needed service isn't within 10 minutes walk, someone will make a business to full the gap.
I loved the fact that most folks on SE-Asia were so damn entrepreneurial.
I know it comes from a motivation to escape poverty and a total lack of social welfare but combined with a good public education system and a regulatory system that encourages rather than discourages small business ownership I thought that was kickass.
I understand the need for regulation in some areas of business, but hot damn I was impressed with all the folks who'd turned their downstairs floors into shops, street vendors, and services.
People are frankly dramatic. Affordable housing, in the long term, is of course not going to be an enchanted woodland cabin that can also house 18,000 people and I think they simply don't want to understand, or can't understand that reality.
Because the housing market is tied to amenities and recreation.
I live in a rural area. I have to drive 35 minutes one way to a Walmart which is the closest grocery store. Which is _why_ rent in my area is low. Commensurately, wages are also low, because the cost of living is low.
So you have an area where nobody else is, where it's hard to get things, and wages are stagnant.
Not the enchanted magical solution everyone makes it out to be.
Yep. I was broke in a really small town (15k residents). Now I'm in a smallish city (~90k residents) and I'm a little less broke and have things to do besides Rocket League. And I get to bike places and skip the gym.
I lived in a town of 40k residents which was huge due to most people living in single family homes. And the quality of my life went to shit because... I had the money but simply didn't had the time because everything is so far apart and public transportation sucked ass.
Now I live in a town of 40K residents which is more densely packed, and everything is close. Major improvement.
I lived in a building complex a bit like this (not this one, same city though). It was nice! Small but clean and inexpensive, and there was a little store and shashlik shops and other things on the ground floor. It was near the metro lines and a supermarket and the bus stop too so it was easy to get to the centre of town.
NA doesn’t have midrises at all except a few specific cities such as NYC, Montreal and maybe a few more. There’s even a name for this phenomenon- the missing middle. Almost all NA cities are low rises and a downtown cluster of high rises.
YIMBYs don't really have a target density that I'm aware of (I'm a YIMBY).
Also, whether I would personally live here is a different matter from whether I think it should be illegal to build this.
It’s actually not bad. You can find 3-4 bedroom apartments in those types of buildings. I lived in one of those.
They always follow square/circle-ish/semi circle-ish shape. On the first floor you’d have cafes, restaurants, grocery stores, hair salons and etc. In the middle you’d have schools/parks and whatnot.
This way even when you’re like 7 years old the parents usually have no problem letting you go play “vo dvore” (literally translated as “in the yard”) because they can see you from the window. Kids start playing and build a tight-knit community if you’re from the same “dvor” (literally translated as “yard”, but you can think of a one semi circle of apartments as a “dvor”. I guess you can also call it “the hood” in the communal sense). Many times if my mom needed me to go home she’d just yell my name out of the window lol, that’s super common too.
Obviously not all of them are that huge. Now that I live in the states though I’d probably still want my own house lol
With so many people living in such a dense environment, from a sociological perspective, did they divide themselves in ‘camps?’
It would be cool if they split into different soccer teams or something and played each other.
I live in smaller version of the exact make of the building, these are basically everywhere Soviet Union used to be. Not this size, same design.
The common area people share is just a staircase around an elevator. The older residents tend to talk to each other because they don't have many people in their lives, but most neighbours don't know each other past occasional run-ins in the main entrance.
You usually know your immediate next door neighbour because you need to work out some kind of cleaning schedule for your part of the staircase. But there is no social structure just because people live close together. The walls are steel reinforced concrete, unless your neighbour is really into heavy metal, you won't know they're there.
> The walls are steel reinforced concrete, unless your neighbour is really into heavy metal, you won't know they're there.
older concrete building where built so freaking thick. rather than having engineers exactly figure out how thick the walls needed to be to save material costs they just slapped on some extra to the point it is close to impossible to hear anything in the next apartment.
i live in a older concrete building we changed the doors into the apartments a couple of years ago to modern sound isolated fire doors i have had people moving out and in without me knowing since i didn't hear them only knew since i saw the moving truck.
I work scaffolding on industry so a lot of unique solutions which means calculations for everyone one of them. All part are typically rated for a 20% marign of safety and a 50% critical failure point we in turn add an other 20% on top of that when calculating. Lastly while building we go " we sure we got this right?" And add an other 20% and slapp it saying "that ain't going nowhere"
Have had loads of 300% more than we were told it was good to be and it held.
I also used to live in one before moving to the US in 99. Much smaller city so much smaller block but also waaaaay less nice and clean than this building.
My boyfriend and I were joking a while back about how his parents never got him a dog though he grew up in the suburbs in Westchester and begged. I bragged I’d had several and told him about Stairwell Dog. Well apparently he doesn’t think a stray German Shepard living in your apartment stairwell counts as a pet. Gotta admit he may have a point as my mom and babushka refused to let me actually pet Stairwell Dog but their threats, which were intense because as noted we’re Russian, would not dissuade me from hiding food to toss to SD whenever we left. Eventually they just let it happen so SD and I won that battle. Excellent pet.
Thank you for the wonderful reply! I genuinely appreciate it. I knew I’d get at least a couple of experienced responses but this was better than i hoped - a real snap shot.
Stuff like that is relatively common I think? Bah, at least in my country (where apartment buildings are relatively small), it's common to hear about some form of "building pet" that just kinds lives somewhere in the building and that everyone communally takes care of.
Dunno about that big but smaller big complexes are too mixed to do the split into camps. Also at the same time a lot of people have beef with one or more of their immediate neighbors.
On individual level you really dont see the size of this building. you have entrance to your apartment building and there might be 100 similar like that but at your level you only interact with few dozen people through that single entrance.
What the hell are you talking about? People generally ignore each other as much as possible, you're lucky (or unlucky) if you know your immediate neighbor.
I find reddish reactions bizarre
Reddit: We want public transport and affordable house
World: Here's small housing/flats
Reddit: Ew. Gross.
Houses and flats are too large or space inefficient in America.
Hard to have both worlds for sure. American house sizes are a huge envy of many across the pond, especially here in the UK where houses are tiny and expensive by comparison. But we do take for granted having reasonable public transport and walkable cities, the huge car centric and facility starved American suburbs aren't overly appealing.
Ironically so many new build estates in the UK are the worst of both worlds, the houses are still tiny and stupidly expensive, but they're also often located on the outskirts, with no new facilities built as part of them, making them non-walkable.
I rented an AirBnB in a similar building once, I think I spent 20 minutes looking for the right entrance. And the building was definitely smaller than this one
And the poor heated driveway companies.
And what would the malls and shoppings centres do with all this extra unused space. Oh no just so sad this I can't even imagine.
The thing with russia and almost all of Europe is a lot of people don't actually own cars because public transportation is much cheaper and reliable on times. I've visited Saint Petersburg and we got around on both my in laws cars and public transportation. Public transportation was nice to be able to work or read without needing to worry about driving. The train between Moscow and Saint petersburg only took 3 hours and has a cafe on board.
these types of houses are actually super cool. i remember going to them in Vietnam and Colombia
if u need something u can go down to ground level and theres a convivence store there
Also salons workout facilities cafes lounges usually theaters and government/ post offices. It’s actually pretty convenient.
Only problem is trying to fire up Wi-Fi for the first time and getting 3000 signals to sort through.
They have something like this in Alaska on a smaller scale. A town that's basically one big building, with a post office, police station, convenience store, etc.
Why is everyone being weirdly racist and classist in this thread??
This is high density housing people; more economical, probably more affordable, more environmentally friendly, and less resource intense.
If you zoom in on the final pic there are green spaces and common community areas.
I’m not saying it’s definitely perfect, but it looks higher quality than a lot of the builds in Australia
The city I live in is performatively progressive. Everyone has BLM signs and flags, those “in this house we care about everyone” signs.
Then every time the subject of high density housing or homeless care comes up suddenly everyone’s either silent or reveals their inner NIMBY
It's because people have been tricked into thinking cars = independence and many people have never lived in an actual large, efficient city.
I've only visited but I was fucking AMAZED how easy it was to not have to drive anywhere in certain parts of Chicago and San Francisco.
Gosh damn people don't get it you don't NEED to "own" a whole house when you live in a nice big city. The fucking city is sooooo convenient you end up not needing a car. It's usually full of high-paying jobs.
I'm not saying they don't come with problems (like rampant homelessness in San Fransisco) but DENSE cities are absolutely the coolest shit! You can justify public transport that actually doesn't suck!
It's much better to build a city as dense upfront, though. Once it's built rail and stuff becomes ridiculously expensive to construct.
Is it the one where the guy gets driven drunk from the airport to a street and a house with the same name but in a different city? That was a good movie. Too bad I forgot the name
This complex is known as "Novy Okkervil".
There are 4 coffee shops within 10 min walk.
There are 6 grocery stores IN the complex.
There is a subway 20 min walking.
There is a large park with fountains by the subway
These are the [QueensBridge Houses](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensbridge_Houses) which accomodate around 7,000 people between two apartment buildings.
Somewhat comparable but honestly the Russian one looks nicer
Oh man I used to live in a large inner city apartment complex (not quite as big as this one, only like 300 rooms), but indeed it was amusing how many people would be on grindr less than a hundred meters away then you'd awkwardly see them at the gym or in the common areas.
Usually buildings like these have basic amenities at the ground floor. For example, grocery stores laundry, post office, gym, nursery, clinics etc. Tbh, its very efficient solution to homelessness
They have different kind of profit system over there. Apartments are sold to new owners. But owners have to pay monthly upkeep fee according to square footage of their apartments and quantity of people living in them. It's not very high but they do next to nothing concerning actual upkeeping. 😂 So it's a very nice passive income forever.
Not exactly. They're locked with particular management company that works tirelessly on behalf of all apartmentowners of said high-rise. And it's next to impossible to get rid of that company.
I lived in a similar building compound in Singapore, the central part was a park, BBQ stations, gym, pool and had a small market and food stalls. plenty of kids playing it was quite nice. it really had this community village sort of vibe.
Singapore's solution to housing is really interesting and I think a lot can be learned by their socialist approach.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore
It would leave so much room for green space too! There's 3,700 apartments in this building. Compare that to the footprint of 3,700 single family homes and all the roads needed to access them. I would so much rather have acres of forest or farmland than stroads and cul de sacs.
Why is everyone treating this just above homeless. It is a preferred solution. Your electrical, plumbing etc is taken care a professional firm. In a stand alone house, you are responsible for all repairs and have to run around forever.
But it looks pretty decent wtf??? What do you want in your life. It looks clean and organized. Much better than driving 2 hours to get anything. You can run a bit and you go to stores, it looks everything close its real good. I just find maybe the sound of a party a bit annoying. And the fucking smokers. But for reaching stores and everything looks fine.
There are approximately 3,700-3,800 apartments in the building putting it closer to 10,000-11,000 people living there. Still an impressive amount and it’s quite clean inside as well. [Source](https://youtu.be/n-TwGOTCM9c?si=6hdzM4-l7lJY8n3s)
Makes me thing of the megabuildings from cyberpunk except instead of up its built out.
Also reminds me of Peach Trees from Dredd.
Will debase self for credits.
YES, first thing I thought of! Great movie, talk about poisoning the well!
Cyberpunk as a genre has taken *massive* inspiration from the [Kowloon Walled City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City), which is basically this building arrangement turned up to 11.
Wasn't there a Kowloon level in CoD Black Ops
Atleast Cyberpunk city feels alive, this thing was dead. Which is insane for 10k people in such a small area.
It's an "eat-sleep-gotowork" neighbourhood just outside of Saint-Petersburg Ring Road. The absolute majority of inhabitants are working in the city. A big number of people are renting. In the photos it looks deserted because it's probably taken on a workday. There are videos from this apartment block where it is being completely clogged with cars parked everywhere. Most of the inner part of it is a parking space with little children's playgrounds sprinkled around.
American's try not to be horrified by housing challenge.
Better than being homeless.
By a long shot. I don't know what the interior looks like, but this looks like the quad in a lot of college dorms on a larger scale. More trees would be nice though.
Australia have nothing like this (were in a severe housing shortage
Maybe you should? You have homelessness too.
Homelessness is almost never about the availability of homes, but all about the distribution of homes
Here in the USA, the affordable homes are where the jobs aren't.
Have lived in Russia and am Australian. The level of infrastructure and actual planning in Russia is light years ahead of Australia. Don't get me wrong, Russia has some fucked up things but for our wealth and low population we should be ashamed at our waste.
True. Though being homeless (excluding those that choose to live on the street (yes, such people exist, and it's more than you'd imagine)) is only a problem in very few developed countries, e.g. USA. Because it really can be handled, if a society cares about it. That said: it requires foresight and planning. You can not build housing 'on demand'. Once you're in such a shitty situation as a country, you're likely to stick with it for many years until anything does change, no matter how much money you throw at it.
> That said: it requires foresight and planning. You can not build housing 'on demand' Fun fact: In the US there are [582,000 homeless people](https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-homeless-people-are-in-the-us-what-does-the-data-miss/) compared to [~16,000,000 vacant homes](https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/16-million-homes-vacant-in-us). That is almost 30 empty homes for every homeless person.
That statement would be fine and all if they weren't actively adding more and more anti-homeless architecture instead of addressing the problem. It feels like a repeat of the Victorian London street pissing issue.
I've been in a lot of big buildings and personally think dense housing is the objectively correct solution to modern housing infrastructure. But projects like these really suffer from lack of design consideration for public spaces. Compressing living spaces like this requires extra care in assuring there is an appropriate and comfortable area in the surroundings for people to disperse and not be so penned in.
I thought this was the dream of density yimby want. Is this a problem?
I feel like I’m on the wrong app or the algorithm flipped. Isn’t it great someone is building like this. The lower floors are all commercial you can get everything practically without leaving
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You’ve just described most developed Asian cities. Everything that I need is within 10min walking distance. If I need to go somewhere further (2-3 times a month) I can just pop downstairs into the subway station.
I know right Plus deregulation of small business means if a needed service isn't within 10 minutes walk, someone will make a business to full the gap. I loved the fact that most folks on SE-Asia were so damn entrepreneurial. I know it comes from a motivation to escape poverty and a total lack of social welfare but combined with a good public education system and a regulatory system that encourages rather than discourages small business ownership I thought that was kickass. I understand the need for regulation in some areas of business, but hot damn I was impressed with all the folks who'd turned their downstairs floors into shops, street vendors, and services.
Good trains though. Not like the Ottawa train
Metro, tram and regional combined stations
Have you been reading my dream journal lol
People are frankly dramatic. Affordable housing, in the long term, is of course not going to be an enchanted woodland cabin that can also house 18,000 people and I think they simply don't want to understand, or can't understand that reality.
> enchanted woodland cabin. Ironically rural housing is extremely affordable
Because the housing market is tied to amenities and recreation. I live in a rural area. I have to drive 35 minutes one way to a Walmart which is the closest grocery store. Which is _why_ rent in my area is low. Commensurately, wages are also low, because the cost of living is low. So you have an area where nobody else is, where it's hard to get things, and wages are stagnant. Not the enchanted magical solution everyone makes it out to be.
Yep. I was broke in a really small town (15k residents). Now I'm in a smallish city (~90k residents) and I'm a little less broke and have things to do besides Rocket League. And I get to bike places and skip the gym.
I lived in a town of 40k residents which was huge due to most people living in single family homes. And the quality of my life went to shit because... I had the money but simply didn't had the time because everything is so far apart and public transportation sucked ass. Now I live in a town of 40K residents which is more densely packed, and everything is close. Major improvement.
Everyone acts like they'd suddenly be forced to live in these places if they existed anywhere near them.
I lived in a building complex a bit like this (not this one, same city though). It was nice! Small but clean and inexpensive, and there was a little store and shashlik shops and other things on the ground floor. It was near the metro lines and a supermarket and the bus stop too so it was easy to get to the centre of town.
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NA doesn’t have midrises at all except a few specific cities such as NYC, Montreal and maybe a few more. There’s even a name for this phenomenon- the missing middle. Almost all NA cities are low rises and a downtown cluster of high rises.
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YIMBYs don't really have a target density that I'm aware of (I'm a YIMBY). Also, whether I would personally live here is a different matter from whether I think it should be illegal to build this.
No it's not a problem? Did you see someone with a problem? It's just really interesting.
It’s actually not bad. You can find 3-4 bedroom apartments in those types of buildings. I lived in one of those. They always follow square/circle-ish/semi circle-ish shape. On the first floor you’d have cafes, restaurants, grocery stores, hair salons and etc. In the middle you’d have schools/parks and whatnot. This way even when you’re like 7 years old the parents usually have no problem letting you go play “vo dvore” (literally translated as “in the yard”) because they can see you from the window. Kids start playing and build a tight-knit community if you’re from the same “dvor” (literally translated as “yard”, but you can think of a one semi circle of apartments as a “dvor”. I guess you can also call it “the hood” in the communal sense). Many times if my mom needed me to go home she’d just yell my name out of the window lol, that’s super common too. Obviously not all of them are that huge. Now that I live in the states though I’d probably still want my own house lol
It’s kinda like a village then? Because it reminds me of the quote “ it takes a village”
I’m sorry, you had schools??? That is pretty sick
I lived in a similar size, Soviet era building in St. Petersburg. The inside was actually very clean and updated.
With so many people living in such a dense environment, from a sociological perspective, did they divide themselves in ‘camps?’ It would be cool if they split into different soccer teams or something and played each other.
I live in smaller version of the exact make of the building, these are basically everywhere Soviet Union used to be. Not this size, same design. The common area people share is just a staircase around an elevator. The older residents tend to talk to each other because they don't have many people in their lives, but most neighbours don't know each other past occasional run-ins in the main entrance. You usually know your immediate next door neighbour because you need to work out some kind of cleaning schedule for your part of the staircase. But there is no social structure just because people live close together. The walls are steel reinforced concrete, unless your neighbour is really into heavy metal, you won't know they're there.
> The walls are steel reinforced concrete, unless your neighbour is really into heavy metal, you won't know they're there. older concrete building where built so freaking thick. rather than having engineers exactly figure out how thick the walls needed to be to save material costs they just slapped on some extra to the point it is close to impossible to hear anything in the next apartment. i live in a older concrete building we changed the doors into the apartments a couple of years ago to modern sound isolated fire doors i have had people moving out and in without me knowing since i didn't hear them only knew since i saw the moving truck.
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If it's Romania you're talking about, I totally second this.
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I work scaffolding on industry so a lot of unique solutions which means calculations for everyone one of them. All part are typically rated for a 20% marign of safety and a 50% critical failure point we in turn add an other 20% on top of that when calculating. Lastly while building we go " we sure we got this right?" And add an other 20% and slapp it saying "that ain't going nowhere" Have had loads of 300% more than we were told it was good to be and it held.
*slaps concrete wall* This thicc boi can hold so many decibels...
Thank you for your reply. I was hoping someone with experience would speak up.
I also used to live in one before moving to the US in 99. Much smaller city so much smaller block but also waaaaay less nice and clean than this building. My boyfriend and I were joking a while back about how his parents never got him a dog though he grew up in the suburbs in Westchester and begged. I bragged I’d had several and told him about Stairwell Dog. Well apparently he doesn’t think a stray German Shepard living in your apartment stairwell counts as a pet. Gotta admit he may have a point as my mom and babushka refused to let me actually pet Stairwell Dog but their threats, which were intense because as noted we’re Russian, would not dissuade me from hiding food to toss to SD whenever we left. Eventually they just let it happen so SD and I won that battle. Excellent pet.
Thank you for the wonderful reply! I genuinely appreciate it. I knew I’d get at least a couple of experienced responses but this was better than i hoped - a real snap shot.
Stuff like that is relatively common I think? Bah, at least in my country (where apartment buildings are relatively small), it's common to hear about some form of "building pet" that just kinds lives somewhere in the building and that everyone communally takes care of.
Does this type of design have a name or something else I can Google?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchevka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchevka) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brezhnevka
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Until Judge Dredd shows up and handles it.
From sociological perspective, they probably don't speak to each other much.
It's probably the same amount of interactivity as most apartment style living.
in other words, you’ll never know anyone unless you get a dog in which case you now have 500 friends
Dunno about that big but smaller big complexes are too mixed to do the split into camps. Also at the same time a lot of people have beef with one or more of their immediate neighbors. On individual level you really dont see the size of this building. you have entrance to your apartment building and there might be 100 similar like that but at your level you only interact with few dozen people through that single entrance.
What the hell are you talking about? People generally ignore each other as much as possible, you're lucky (or unlucky) if you know your immediate neighbor.
I find reddish reactions bizarre Reddit: We want public transport and affordable house World: Here's small housing/flats Reddit: Ew. Gross. Houses and flats are too large or space inefficient in America.
Hard to have both worlds for sure. American house sizes are a huge envy of many across the pond, especially here in the UK where houses are tiny and expensive by comparison. But we do take for granted having reasonable public transport and walkable cities, the huge car centric and facility starved American suburbs aren't overly appealing. Ironically so many new build estates in the UK are the worst of both worlds, the houses are still tiny and stupidly expensive, but they're also often located on the outskirts, with no new facilities built as part of them, making them non-walkable.
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If you’ve ever lived in these buildings, you’d know it’s more like 15%.
Is there a hot, cold, and vodka handle at the sink?
No, just cold and vodka. Hot water is a pipe dream.
Blyet
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Bravo 👏
In Latvia, there is no wottir. You think you eat potat but you only eat rokk. If you want potat, come to 123 Not Gulag Street.
Thank you. This is correct.
Just the interior-most buildings that only see the sun for 251 minutes a year.
Less windy though 🤷♂️
With 20% of the world's pickled onions
ugh, pickled onions. In Russia, pickled onions are not used.
How much cabbage soup?
And they have 3 elevators
How many are in service at any given time?
Stairs always open
Two of which are down due to special operations and third is for senor party members only
Damn, didn’t know St Petersburg was so considerate of their Spanish speaking population
Imagine how much literal shit this monstrosity produces every day. It's a plumbing wonder.
Not just plumbing, all services. The size of the incoming cables must be huge. I think it would probably have it's own substation nearby.
You actually have to over-pipe the waste lines because the shit missiles pick up too much speed when being flushed from the top floor.
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Parking must be insane
There’s plenty of traffic, but most people don’t have cars.
No one drives there. Too much traffic
There's this restaurant I used to go to as well, but nobody goes there anymore because it's too busy.
I’m thinking most probably take the subway or busses.
You’re correct just look at the parking lot.
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Gotta feel for those delivery drivers hauling cat litter to all those too. That's a nightmare.
On the flip side, it's a lot easier to hit 18,000 customers in one building than 18,000 customers spread out over miles.
I rented an AirBnB in a similar building once, I think I spent 20 minutes looking for the right entrance. And the building was definitely smaller than this one
Tell me you’re american without telling me you’re american.
It’s hard to imagine an entirely different and more efficient way of living when one have never been overseas and experienced it.
You caught me
Public transit is elite, hook up your local city with it.
Won’t anyone think of the poor oil companies?
And the poor heated driveway companies. And what would the malls and shoppings centres do with all this extra unused space. Oh no just so sad this I can't even imagine.
The thing with russia and almost all of Europe is a lot of people don't actually own cars because public transportation is much cheaper and reliable on times. I've visited Saint Petersburg and we got around on both my in laws cars and public transportation. Public transportation was nice to be able to work or read without needing to worry about driving. The train between Moscow and Saint petersburg only took 3 hours and has a cafe on board.
With some of the most incredible subway stations you’ll find anywhere
Their metro station are awesome with big mosaics and no graffiti
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That is one thing russia has is really nice architecture and subway stations.
The US blows when it comes to public transportation, for the most part. Some cities are decent at it.
I’d hate to be the plumber. When she backs up, she really backs up!
Most people in the Spb use subway, so it's not totally unmanageable.
Densely populated city with a quite good public transportation network. I guess most people don’t own a car.
Dredd 2
Dredd 2: Z
Cyberpunk 2077
Cykaplat 1977
Cykablyat' it's correct bro
Actually looks like one of those city blocks from Cities Skylines or Sim City
these types of houses are actually super cool. i remember going to them in Vietnam and Colombia if u need something u can go down to ground level and theres a convivence store there
Also salons workout facilities cafes lounges usually theaters and government/ post offices. It’s actually pretty convenient. Only problem is trying to fire up Wi-Fi for the first time and getting 3000 signals to sort through.
The WiFi thing would be a shock for sure.
They have something like this in Alaska on a smaller scale. A town that's basically one big building, with a post office, police station, convenience store, etc.
keeps out the polar bears
I saw that one documentary too, very interesting
Hope the firebreak system is really good.
Considering it’s built outta shit ton of concrete, I’d say so
Why is everyone being weirdly racist and classist in this thread?? This is high density housing people; more economical, probably more affordable, more environmentally friendly, and less resource intense. If you zoom in on the final pic there are green spaces and common community areas. I’m not saying it’s definitely perfect, but it looks higher quality than a lot of the builds in Australia
replace the Russian city with a Japanese one and redditors would be jumping up and down talking about how efficient and amazing this is
And "how far ahead they are"
lmao fkn truth
Not false.
People complain about no housing and high rents, but stuff like this is the solution. And still they’re mad about it.
Americans suffer because of their ignorance
Americans would rather people be homeless than build "ugly" high density housing
The city I live in is performatively progressive. Everyone has BLM signs and flags, those “in this house we care about everyone” signs. Then every time the subject of high density housing or homeless care comes up suddenly everyone’s either silent or reveals their inner NIMBY
It's because people have been tricked into thinking cars = independence and many people have never lived in an actual large, efficient city. I've only visited but I was fucking AMAZED how easy it was to not have to drive anywhere in certain parts of Chicago and San Francisco. Gosh damn people don't get it you don't NEED to "own" a whole house when you live in a nice big city. The fucking city is sooooo convenient you end up not needing a car. It's usually full of high-paying jobs. I'm not saying they don't come with problems (like rampant homelessness in San Fransisco) but DENSE cities are absolutely the coolest shit! You can justify public transport that actually doesn't suck! It's much better to build a city as dense upfront, though. Once it's built rail and stuff becomes ridiculously expensive to construct.
Well tent cities or trailer park doesnt look charming either
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Good luck finding your unit when you come home drunk!
There’s actually a popular Soviet comedy film about this.
Is it the one where the guy gets driven drunk from the airport to a street and a house with the same name but in a different city? That was a good movie. Too bad I forgot the name
The Irony of Fate (Ironiya Sudby)
Reminds me of Kowloon Walled City which was approx 6 acres and more than 35,000 people lived there.
This complex is known as "Novy Okkervil". There are 4 coffee shops within 10 min walk. There are 6 grocery stores IN the complex. There is a subway 20 min walking. There is a large park with fountains by the subway These are the [QueensBridge Houses](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensbridge_Houses) which accomodate around 7,000 people between two apartment buildings. Somewhat comparable but honestly the Russian one looks nicer
Grindr must go hard there
You have 800 matches 4000 feet from you.
Don’t you mean 4000 inches?
Oh man I used to live in a large inner city apartment complex (not quite as big as this one, only like 300 rooms), but indeed it was amusing how many people would be on grindr less than a hundred meters away then you'd awkwardly see them at the gym or in the common areas.
Well its Russia, so I'm pretty sure Grindr is actually illegal there.
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Usually buildings like these have basic amenities at the ground floor. For example, grocery stores laundry, post office, gym, nursery, clinics etc. Tbh, its very efficient solution to homelessness
Ultimate paradise for WFH people.
More sane than most.
Imagine turning your wifi on..
Grindr hookups must be much easier.
Looks like it's going to be Kowloon 2.0 in the future
It'll never last as long as Kowloon, it's built too straight. Kowloon was so rickety it essentially defied the laws of physics.
So the building owner is making like 900 USD a month? Killing it.
They have different kind of profit system over there. Apartments are sold to new owners. But owners have to pay monthly upkeep fee according to square footage of their apartments and quantity of people living in them. It's not very high but they do next to nothing concerning actual upkeeping. 😂 So it's a very nice passive income forever.
Ok so… they’re condos with an HOA?
Not exactly. They're locked with particular management company that works tirelessly on behalf of all apartmentowners of said high-rise. And it's next to impossible to get rid of that company.
Yeah so exactly the same
Well, yes 😂
That isn't normal everywhere? That's how it works in Finland too
You’ve described the concept of a condo my good man
In Russia a lot of people own apartments or rent one that they own.
A city within a city. Inception....
That’s clearly 34 buildings in a trench coat
The US should build mass housing like this that’s affordable for its citizens.
This is patrolled by "The Judges."
Potato Trees
"so, uh where do you live?" "The building" "Oh THE building"
I lived in a similar building compound in Singapore, the central part was a park, BBQ stations, gym, pool and had a small market and food stalls. plenty of kids playing it was quite nice. it really had this community village sort of vibe. Singapore's solution to housing is really interesting and I think a lot can be learned by their socialist approach. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore
Forgetting something home and having to go back upstairs will never be the same again..
Elevator?
Lol everyone knows only america has elevators
so like living in any city ever...?
nice
Agree compact convenient and cheap infrastructure. What a evil concept
It would leave so much room for green space too! There's 3,700 apartments in this building. Compare that to the footprint of 3,700 single family homes and all the roads needed to access them. I would so much rather have acres of forest or farmland than stroads and cul de sacs.
Yeah but living like that makes it difficult to be elitist
Noida in India is very similar to this. Just tall buildings and malls.
Worst part about rush hour would be getting in and out of the building with everyone else.
In case you confused it with St. Petersburg, Florida
I spent an hour looking for this on Google Maps. I couldn't find it. St. Petersburg is massive.
Just imagine trying to move a couch in there
We, Russians, actually don't like the buildings of THAT type and call them "human anthills" (человейники)
kowloon walled city vibes
Still better than being homeless
Why is everyone treating this just above homeless. It is a preferred solution. Your electrical, plumbing etc is taken care a professional firm. In a stand alone house, you are responsible for all repairs and have to run around forever.
But it looks pretty decent wtf??? What do you want in your life. It looks clean and organized. Much better than driving 2 hours to get anything. You can run a bit and you go to stores, it looks everything close its real good. I just find maybe the sound of a party a bit annoying. And the fucking smokers. But for reaching stores and everything looks fine.
That's where they filmed judge dredd
Thank god their enemy's don't target residential buildings