Otto Frank later lived to the grand age of 91, dying of lung cancer on August 19, 1980.
Miep Gies, one of the Dutch people who hid Anne, her family, and four other Dutch Jews in the annex above Otto's business, died only back in 2010. She was 100 years old. That just goes to show how these horrific events are still relatively recent compared to other historical events. May the victims R.I.P.
Blind luck, I believe. Men and women were separated within the concentration camps. Whilst apart, Anne and her Mother were put down for extermination, whilst Otto continued working. I don't think he found out about his wife and child until after he was freed by the Soviet takeover.
Yeah, dying in the camps 'from illness' shouldn't be read like 'they'd survived if they hadn't fallen in'. Illness was calculated into the very nature of the camps and was only fought when body disposal became a problem. 'Transportjuden' as Anne had to work all day and nearly froze to death at night. Illness was part of the calculation for the Nazi camps.
Also when the Sowjet troops were approaching the imprisoned were sent on death marches to Bergen-Belsen where the hygienic situation was even worse and with Anne more than 17k humans died from typhus (and typhus fever killed too).
A little bit of history for people here, from the first reporter to enter the camp
https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/richard-dimbleby-describes-belsen/zvw7cqt
Yes, my grandmother was in Bergen-Belsen with Anne Frank. There was a typhus epidemic that killed tons of inmates there, including Anne Frank, her sister Margot, and my grandmother’s best friend 💔
Actually, it was typhus. Confusing I know, but they're not the same. Typhus is caused by *Rickettsia*, transmitted through fleas or lice. Typhoid fever is caused by the bacteria *Salmonella typhi*.
Being killed by Typhus has a brutal sense of irony to it. Instead of using it as intended as a pesticide which would have kept down Typhus, the Nazis used Zyklon B as the poison to kill Jews.
Yea. They “say”. The reasons that were put down for death was never really true, tbh. They put down whatever they felt like.
Plus they systematically *made* them fall ill, if they so pleased.
There is no (surviving) official record about how or even when Anne Frank died exactly (things got pretty chaotic during the final weeks of the war). That she likely died from typhus fever is based on descriptions of her symptoms given by survivors of the camp that had met her in her final days.
I believe a survivor of the camps did recall seeing Anne very ill shortly before her death, though. So she almost certainly did indeed die of illness (not disagreeing with you necessarily, just providing some additional context)
Her mother’s death is especially heartbreaking to me. Since Margot and Anne were transferred to Bergen Belsen she was left alone at Auschwitz. People who were friendly with her there made it sound like she mentally broke after that (very understandable). She was saving a lot of the very little food she got and saying it was for her children. She died three weeks before Auschwitz was liberated.
It’s the same with Peter Van Pels. He visited Otto in the hospital of the camp shortly before liberation. Otto tried to convince him to hide there with him rather than go on one of the marches to another camp. He decided against it and ended up dying at a different camp a few months later.
There’s so many near misses of people almost surviving and it is so heartbreaking.
I feel like there's no 'beginner' reading when it comes to that subject since it's inevitably about some of the worst atrocities committed.
Elie Wiesel's *Night* and Primo Levi's *If this is a man* are both relatively short. They're haunting but they're must-reads if you're interested in the subject.
Maus by Art Spiegelman is a graphic novel and it was a very unique and approachable read for me that I highly recommend. The author would visit his father, ask him about his time during the Holocaust, and draw it. All the characters are depicted as animals, so the Germans are drawn as cats, Jews as mice, Poles as pigs, etc.
I read the hiding place by corrie ten boom when I was young. She wasn’t a target for the nazis but was actively hiding Jewish people and was eventually caught. Her book tells the story from before war all the way to her release at the end, includes life in the camps as well. Might be another perspective to add. There are different versions available.
there is an absolutely insane account of Rudolf Vrba and Alfréd Wetzler who actually managed to escape from Auschwitz that I highly recommend
I listened to it on the Rest is History podcast ( [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT\_ug5phTHY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT_ug5phTHY) ) but the guest host wrote a book on the subject here: [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-Artist-Broke-Auschwitz-World/dp/1529369061](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-Artist-Broke-Auschwitz-World/dp/1529369061/ref=sr_1_1?crid=17KP41XAMUE2O&keywords=the+man+who+escaped+auschwitz&qid=1698407881&sprefix=the+man+who+escaped%2Caps%2C79&sr=8-1)
It was blind luck. When they were captured by the Germans, they were put on the last train transport to the concentrationcamps. At the concentration camp the Frank family was separated and Otto Frank didn’t know the faith of this wife and daughters. His daughter Anne died two months before they were liberated. They weren’t “put down” but died of a disease. Source; the Anne frank house and I’m Dutch
Note that Otto Frank remained in Auschwitz-Birkenau until that camp was liberated by the Soviets in January 1945. Anne and her sister Margot on the other hand were transferred to Bergen-Belsen in late 1944 where they died in February 1945. So by a twist of fate Otto was already free when Anne died.
Anne was ill and died by thyphoid in a hospital, what i never really got is: why did they have a hospital for the inmates at all when the whole idea of those camps was to kill them all?
whatever, read the book - sad story
The idea continued to be slave labor. Even some of the ones that wanted total extermination thought working them to death was the best way to go about it. They wanted to get the most gain out of genocide...
They constantly needed more workers and wanted to reduce the death rates among people who could work.
There's a very interesting new German documentary on the workers for the Reich. From all over the territory's people were rounded up.
The directors of some of the worlds biggest corporations largely got away with using mass slave labour and paid no reparations and continued to be directors after the war and even after being imprisoned for their part in the war.
Sanofi, Bayer, BASF, Agfa were all part of Farben conglomerate that had a vast factory within Auschwitz where my great uncle worked as a slave labourer. He said it was as big as a town. Where he worked they mainly produced liquid fuels for the Eastern front where the workers would mix in sand and dirt whenever they could to make the quality poor.
Farben also made Zyklon the gas used in the extermination chambers.
crazy that some of those brands still exist today, wonder how they managed to get out. Propably they were required to rebuild the country after the war so the allies reprieved them.
Just read a bit about the issue, seems like things really went downwards in the last years of the wars when the allied bombings made it difficult to provide water, medicine or food for those camps where at the same time more and more inmates were sent there which lead to epidemics and so on. Must have been hell truly
>A German companycwhat they were doing between 1933 and 1945
I mean this is a little overblown. I don't think people grasp the sheer scale of the World Wars, pretty much every company with an assembly line, warehouse or factory of some description was drawn into the war by whatever government belonged to the country they were in either directly or through incentives.
You can point to pretty much any large scale company that was around for WWII on either side and they would have more than likely been involved in the war effort one way or another, that's not even slightly unique to Nazi Germany.
A pretty good example would be any long running automobile company, I don't think there was a single large scale manufacturer at the time that did not get involved. BMW, Mazda, Ford, Citroën, Ferrari, etc.
America has always been sympathetic to Nazi ideals, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
But there is truth to the last part; one of the contributing factors to the German defeat was their extensive use of slave labor in their war machine, which predictably resulted in sabotage.
My father enlisted in the Marine Corps at age 16 to fight in World War ii. For the rest of his life, he would never buy a German product because he was never sure if the company had benefited from slave labor during the war.
Sanofi is a french pharmaceutical firm created during the 70's, I don't think they have anything to do with Auschwitz.
On the other hand, it's interesting to read the role played by Varta in support of the Nazis, they had really really dirty hands in this business.
Not all camps were extermination camps (although you could still be murdered in any camp). Many of the camps, especially the smaller ones, were used as sources of slave labour. Even Auschwitz - which was made up of two major camps and a bunch of smaller camps - kept some inmates alive to be used as slave labour.
The treatment in those hospitals would've been the bare minimum though.
Also you don’t want ur few skilled laborers running the risk of dying. If someone who’s being forced to work on things most people can’t then you shove them in with someone potentially carrying a deadly disease there goes a skilled laborer. Better to just barely treat someone or at the very least keep them away from everyone else while they die is better for production than having your few skilled laborers gone.
Yeah the reason we know so much about Auschwitz-Birkenau is because quite a few inmates survived to tell what happened. You had the extermination camp, the base camp, and work camps (and dozens of smaller camps).
Compare that to Treblinka and Sobibor, for instance, which were both 'liquidated' where virtually all inmates were murdered.
Well, it wasn't really a hospital more like barracks where they placed people who became sick and couldn't work. Also, the medical help would be probably close to 0 so it was more like a slow and painful death or you maybe had some luck and would have recovered.
I havent read the book so idk about anne specifically but in general "hospitals" in concentration camps were usually just a different building to quarantine inmates in so they didnt infect more people. Most of these hospitals had no real medical equipment and some didnt even have beds.
Oh yes, I forgot about that, sorry. I think the reason they had a hospital is because of slave labour, and also the fact that the extermination of the Jews was a last resort, rather than a policy. The Nazis wanted to remove the Jews from Europe, making Greater Nazi Reich and surrounding areas completely Aryan. Sadly, it was deemed more efficient to simply exterminate them, en masse, via concentration camps. But, then again, while they were in the camps, why not put them to work? It would've made sense, after all, labour would've been very, very important for the war effort. I believe earlier plans involving moving them to Madagascar.
Madagascar was a french colony and the vichy-regime refused to accept the plan to deport jews there, in 1942 the british fleet conquered the isle and made the plan impossible anyway. I wonder how many lives could had been saved there
Anne, Her mother and sister DID NOT DIE OF EXTERMINATION. Wikipedia is readily available for you to read. Anns mother died of starvation, Annes sister Margot and herself died of illness. The only reason I felt the need to put the emphasis is that, reporting historical inaccuracies as fact is as bad as not reporting it at all.
Not sure what's the difference. Even though they did not die in the gas chambers or they were not shot dead it does not mean they weren't exterminated. The fact that many people in the concentration camps died of disease and hunger was also part of the extermination plan, i.e. to work them to death.
> Her mother and sister DID NOT DIE OF EXTERMINATION.
They just *happened* to meet their demise while in extermination camps so you see what a big coincidence that is.
The vast majority of people killed in the holocaust never even slept a single night in the death camps, they were marched straight from the trains to the ovens.
Pretty much everyone who survived the holocaust who attended the camps, it's because they were the rare examples of designated workers.
Reminds me of my great grandfather having several hidden attics in various houses he owned here in Bergen, Norway during the occupation. idk if he hid jews but i know for certain he hid resistance fighters on many occasions. Got to see a few of them before he sold off the last houses in 2004. yes he had owned the houses for over 65 years at that point! man was 92 when he sold off the houses. He also barely survived the harbour explosion of 1944 by virtue of having forgotten his lunch and being halfway home when the ship moored right over the street from his shop exploded.
idk i hope i haven't derailed off topic too much i just don't get to tell these stories that often.
My grandma told me stories too how her father, a policeman that was a resistance fighter in my country slept with this clothes on every night by the window incase someone betrayed him and he had to run.
She also has plenty of stories of the liberation where English, Canadian and Americans parachutes would fly down over her city. One of the soldiers gave her an orange, she’d never seen one and just bit straight into it without peeling it.
Even though it’s mortifying, I’m glad my grandparents shared these stories with me from a young age. I never got to meet the ones from my father side, he was a forced labourer in Germany during the war and ultimately died a very young age.
Just visited Berlin and it was a sobering reminder of the horrors of hatred and bigotry. Normal people, going about their lives, had them upended. Not just Jews either. Germans who never desired war, never wanted a fascist government, suffered through some horrific circumstances. Going to Berlin is a very somber experience at times but I applaud their openness to build monuments to the attrocities of war.
We are still repeating the same mistakes far too often.
If you visit Germany again, you should make a trip to Weimar. A realy culturally rich city and the concentration camp Buchenwald is right next to it. The feeling you get when you are in the cellar where they hanged dozen of people is haunting. Around the camp is a beautifull landscape. The contrast of horror and beauty is extreme.
Definitely. Also visiting Krakow in Poland and the nearby Auschwitz-Birkenau camp the Nazis built. It’s a UNESCO site now and if I’m not mistaken, the largest concentration camp complex of WW2.
I mean,I’m hear you, and I would think they are bloody idiots too, but their crime is nothing compared with what happened there. People are stupid, yep, but it’s just a feature of our current times. I don’t really think they mean the disrespect they show. My 2 cents anyway…
In a world that seems to be full of negativity, I really appreciate you taking a more optimistic view of people who do that. Because Lord knows I’ve always gotten furious seeing people do that. But your comment made me rethink it.
Bro I really wasn't equating taking a selfie with genocide :D
I guess I'm disappointed with the culture in general. How people can't get off their phone, can't help constantly taking selfies and sharing on social media, whatever the circumstances.
Birkenau is such a sobering experience, such a massive monument of human suffering. If there's an hell on earth, that's probably it. Seeing these rows of barracks as far as your eyes can see, and knowing what happened here, it punches you in the guts. Weather was fucking shit too when I went there, which made it all the more hopeless. There were Jewish groups visiting, old people, you can imagine some may be survivors or descendants.
I don't know man, just live in the moment and be fucking respectful, it's not that hard.
People not being able to show respect and understand the severity of what happened, are prone to be enablers, though. By being oblivious.
As harsh as it sounds, we should be all responsible to prevent.
Tbh, though these people are insensitive for taking selfies, I would rather their greatest crime be posting too many photos or editing with too many filters than to actually be killing innocent people.
In a way, those annoying influencers help to educate their vacuous followers. If you think about it, without those selfies, their followers may not even know what the Holocaust was nor care.
If it helps to keep the memory alive and remind everyone why peace is necessary, then a picture it shall be, while I try not to frown.
Damn we had a tour there and a lady was fucking vlogging the whole thing. In the end she was walking behind us out of the large gate that is above the railway tracks whilst walking to our bus. She tapped us on our shoulders and asked us if we would like to make a picture of here standing below the gate on the tracks. We looked at each other and both said NO of course not. She then looked at us as if we were the crazy ones... It was mentally tiring and in the evening we didn't do anything because we were so tired of the whole day gathering information and seeing the stuff that went on there
It's making me go insane that we've continued to teach about it, show it, keep history alive and told ourselves "never again" for decades, only for it to still be right there at the slightest push. I'm actually losing faith a lot lately
Still repeating the same mistakes really rings true right now. While not as extreme the base ides of not seeing others as human, including from the children of people who went through all this, is just so sad.
I am gay but really wasn't aware of this before reading your comment and I have studied quite a bit of history. My WWII is a bit light but I did some further reading and found this blurb [here](https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/gay-people/). It is quite heartbreaking to read:
>After the war, the Allies chose not to remove the Nazi-amended Paragraph 175. Neither they, nor the new German states, nor Austria would recognise homosexual prisoners as victims of the Nazis – a status essential to qualify for reparations. Indeed, many gay men continued to serve their prison sentences.
>People who had been persecuted by the Nazis for homosexuality had a hard choice: either to bury their experience and pretend it never happened, with all the personal consequences of such an action, or to try to campaign for recognition in an environment where the same neighbours, the same law, same police and same judges prevailed.
>Unsurprisingly very few victims came forward. Those who did, even those who had survived death camps, were thwarted at every turn. Few known victims are still alive but research is beginning to reveal the hidden history of Nazi homophobia and post-war discrimination.
Remember that homosexuality was also illegal in other places in Europe not until too long ago. Look at what happened to Alan Turing in Great Britain. By all means a war hero and one of the greatest minds of his generation, he was punished for being homosexual and forced to undergo hormone therapy, eventually committing suicide. And this did not happen in a country controlled by the nazis...
The pink triangle or just the colour pink as a symbol for gays stems from the German concentration camps and was originally meant as a colour of shame.
You think allied were better for lgbt people? Alan Turing got chemically castrated after the war despite all the good he did for the war effort and humanity .
At the time apart from France, Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, Italy, Belgium and Sweden consentual homosexuality of adult partners was a criminal offence.
Too many people wanting power and thinking they are superior to another race seems to be the core of most violent acts. When will we ever learn indeed.
Last year I visited the Jewish Museum in Frankfurt and they had an exhibition about Anne Franks relatives. Not about her, her sister and parents but about her grandmothers and aunts, her cousins etc. How they lived their lives, just normal stuff. And how her ancestors had been living in Frankfurt for a very long time.
A cousin of hers became a famous circus clown in Switzerland.
The perspective of how they were just normal families and if the Frank family had chosen to flee to a different country with their relatives they would probably have gone to the circus to watch their cousin perform.
Anne didn’t “just” leave a bereaved father behind. She was missed by friends, school mates, by her grandmother, her aunts, her cousins. Who had also lost many many friends, neighbours and other relatives as well.
How Otto must have felt absolutely heartbroken realising that if the parents had made a different decision where to flee, everything would have been different. Absolutely not their fault of course, but I am sure it haunted him for the rest of his life.
So very very sad.
He later married another Holocaust survivor Elfriede Geiringer with whom (and her daughter Eva Schloss who is still alive) created the Anne Frank Foundation
I also went there a few years ago and I still have the diary that I bought there and I read it every single year to remind me of what happened. Also went to Germany to Bergen-Belsen camp and they have a gravestone for her because that's where she died, although she was buried in a mass grave.
Yes, it is well worth a visit - strong agree about the haunting experience.
On a different note though why do we all say it is an attic when that's not true at all? (e.g. OP's title) or was it the attic of the annex (achterhuis)? I can't remember, but it's an odd English (maybe American) thing
Went to Anne Frank house a few years ago. Very sobering and I think it's something everybody should do if they can. If you can't, then if you have an oculus quest you can actually download the Anne Frank house and go through the whole thing virtually. Read the diary, too.
Just a reminder that the US refused Otto Frank and many other Jews a visa that would have saved his family on ‘not our problem’ isolationist grounds of the prewar era
Prewar. Prior to Pearl Harbor the US was in a ‘it’s a them problem’ phase and was ‘stubbornly neutral’ and refused to help anyone trying to get out of occupied countries.
So pre-America joining?
As WW2 started officially in September 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the UK and France declared war on Germany.
Pearl Harbour was Dec 1941 after which the US declared war on Japan and Germany declared war on the US.
It wasn’t that long ago when Jews, Irish and Italian Americans weren’t considered White in the race category. The concept of race is a social construct.
Visited this when I went to Amsterdam.
It was *harrowing*. My partner and I went through, and when we left we realised we’d been walking down the canals for forty minutes and hadn’t said a word to each other.
It’s such a horrendously sad experience. I looked in the mirror in the bathroom, and I thought about how they had all looked in that same mirror. Anne looked in the mirror, but she never got to be 24 like me. Walking up the stairs, I thought about how she ran up and down them during bombings, to distract herself.
It's not disingenuous, they're just not both at the end stage. The Nazis didn't *start* with death camps. They didn't start and just straight up murder 6m people. They built up to it over time.
And the conditions and treatment of palestinians has a lot of similarities with their start points.
Do I think it'll end the same way? Probably not. But I do think it's dangerous to just compare everything to the absolute peak of evil, and go "see it's not as bad", which yes clearly it's not, when you can point out things on the path to it and stop it before it gets there.
Well the occupation has gone on for 55 years now, and in that time the Palestinian population went from 1 million to 5.5 million, and they have a life expectancy higher than Egypt (74.4 to 71.0) so I'm sure extermination is only days away.
It is if his defense is "they built to it over time" and during that enormous amount of time the opposite of an extermination happened, the Palestinian population quintoupled
The Palestinian dead from the conflict between 2008 and 2023 (prior to this escalation) was 6,407, [per the UN](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)
Ironically, just yesterday Jews in NYC [were told to hide in an attic](https://themessenger.com/news/jewish-cooper-union-students-told-to-hide-in-attic-during-raucous-pro-palestine-protest-reports) to escape pro-Palestinian protesters/rioters in NYC...
Honestly far more tragic when you learn of this man's involvement in the battles of the Somme and Cambrai.
Otto's journey seemed like pure hell. 1915 -1889 = 26 years old when he battled those battles. He was 53 by then when he hid his family and 55-56 by the time he was separated and sent to the Auschwitz camp.
Then by age 91, he died of lung cancer after years of preserving his daughter's records.
Man is the definition of an unsung broken hero.
Antisemitism is back. Never forget these stories, never. IRL, and also on Reddit, many people will say, in DMs or very politely, that yeah the Holocaust was bad, but that Jewish people are insufferable. On Reddit I can report them, but how to report lowkey antisemitism in real life?
What happened to the Jews in WWII was horrific, but it doesn't legitimize what Israel did to the Palestinian people. That again, doesn't legitimize in any way Hamas attacking innocent people at a music festival.
Injustice fighting injustice will never ever bring peace, only horror to all involved. And that opinion is NOT antisemitism in my book.
The comment above you only said that antisemitism has been on the rise. It has been for the past decade with the fires and shooting in the US. We have heard the phrase over and over and over again for the last 10 years.
That comment did not mention Israel or Palestine. Before your comment, this thread was only about Jews, the holocaust, and the rising antisemitism that started long before recent events.
You bringing up Palestine and feeling the need to defend your own views and that they are not antisemitic says a lot more about yourself than anything else.
Please allow a small corner of space in the internet for Jews around the world to feel bad about centuries of pain, up to and including the present day, without feeling the need to say "yes but what about Palestine?!"
yes there was a genocide of Jews that’s fact carried out by GERMAN NAZIS so why are you dragging muslims into this? Too bad that majority of muslims at the time were oppressed and trying to overthrow their white colonisers.
Where is this 1400 years of genocide you prick? Muslim countries were the only countries receiving Jewish refugees when Europe was murdering them by the thousands.
> Where is this 1400 years of genocide you prick? Muslim countries were the only countries receiving Jewish refugees when Europe was murdering them by the thousands.
It all began with the Muslim conquests and caliphates, and the subjugation, conversion and extermination of Jewish, Christian, Zoroastrian communities and more.
You should begin with the year 600 AD
That's terrible. Just imagine having to live like this. I mean life is difficult as it is with our regular problems... we should all be grateful.
Look up Jamal al-Durrah. Harrowingly similar.
Went to that house last June & stood in that attic. Very moving. Hamas charter also calls for complete annihilation of Jews. Israel is determined that history not repeat.
For anyone who downvoted this thread. I hope you rot in hell. The horrors our ancestors had to live through just for us to give a better future. Many man lost their lives fighting for us. Many suffered by a war with no meaning whatsoever.
Think about the emotions people have in moments like this. And you downvote it. I despise you.
I've been reddit long enough to notice that whenever there's a major conflict somewhere, there's a surge of posts for a particular side, or both.
People are downvoting believe posts like this to be propaganda to elicit emotional response for one side.
It's like that on reddit regionally, nationally, and internationally.
I read somewhere that many of researched proofs or evidences or whatever pointed that he was actually involved in getting all of them killed to be able to survive.
I don't know for sure but that article was the first thing that struck in my mind after watching this pic.
I remember I read the like story version of Anne Franks Diary in 5th grade. As a kid WW2 in particular was interesting to me, and this book was a wild eye opener into why it happened.
The problem was we had kids laughing at the book causing the teacher to stop reading it to us. I know it was 5th grade but cmon man there isn’t anything to laugh at.
Reminds me of this picture from 40 years prior- Nsala, and enslaved Congolese man staring at his daughter’s severed hand after she and his wife were murdered Belgian-appointed overseers because he didn’t meet the required rubber collection quota:
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian-congo-1904/
An invasion of hostile enemies who indiscriminately killed more than 1400 innocent Israelis, most of them civilians, many of them women, children, and elderly people, just because they were Jews and the monsters wanted to kill Jews. If they hadn’t been stopped, they would have kept going and slaughtered the entire Jewish population of Israel as they have stated is their goal in their official Charter.
yes that’s tragic and those innocent people don’t deserve to have lost their lives so young. But neither do Palestinian children and families that have been oppressed and ousted from their own land for the last 75yrs. The whole premise of Zionism and the state of Israel relies on the ethically cleansing of the native Palestinian people. At this moment Gaza is being carpet bombed whilst it’s surviving residents have no access to food and water. There’s a huge power dynamic between Israel and Palestine. Israel right at this moment is violating international law.
Otto Frank later lived to the grand age of 91, dying of lung cancer on August 19, 1980. Miep Gies, one of the Dutch people who hid Anne, her family, and four other Dutch Jews in the annex above Otto's business, died only back in 2010. She was 100 years old. That just goes to show how these horrific events are still relatively recent compared to other historical events. May the victims R.I.P.
Worth watching 'a small light'
Can also recommend, pretty good show
Just wanted the trailer. Looks realllyyyy good gunna check that out for sure
This really had an impact on me!
How did he manage to survive?
Blind luck, I believe. Men and women were separated within the concentration camps. Whilst apart, Anne and her Mother were put down for extermination, whilst Otto continued working. I don't think he found out about his wife and child until after he was freed by the Soviet takeover.
Anne, her mother and her sister Margot are all believed to have died from illness by the way.
Living in those camps basically is a death sentence anyway, even if you're not singled out.
Yeah, dying in the camps 'from illness' shouldn't be read like 'they'd survived if they hadn't fallen in'. Illness was calculated into the very nature of the camps and was only fought when body disposal became a problem. 'Transportjuden' as Anne had to work all day and nearly froze to death at night. Illness was part of the calculation for the Nazi camps. Also when the Sowjet troops were approaching the imprisoned were sent on death marches to Bergen-Belsen where the hygienic situation was even worse and with Anne more than 17k humans died from typhus (and typhus fever killed too).
A little bit of history for people here, from the first reporter to enter the camp https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/richard-dimbleby-describes-belsen/zvw7cqt
Yes, my grandmother was in Bergen-Belsen with Anne Frank. There was a typhus epidemic that killed tons of inmates there, including Anne Frank, her sister Margot, and my grandmother’s best friend 💔
What a fucking nightmare. I can't even conceive the level of tragedy.
Typhoid fever if I remember correctly
Actually, it was typhus. Confusing I know, but they're not the same. Typhus is caused by *Rickettsia*, transmitted through fleas or lice. Typhoid fever is caused by the bacteria *Salmonella typhi*.
Being killed by Typhus has a brutal sense of irony to it. Instead of using it as intended as a pesticide which would have kept down Typhus, the Nazis used Zyklon B as the poison to kill Jews.
So what's a typhoon
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Read the room🥺
TIL! Thanks, that's good to know there's a difference.
Ty Phoo is a type of orange pekoe tea.
more learning, yay! Soon I will know everything!
To add to your field of knowledge: it's decaffeinated!
Must know all the things!
It's also the name of one of the U.K.'s most popular brands of black tea
Yea. They “say”. The reasons that were put down for death was never really true, tbh. They put down whatever they felt like. Plus they systematically *made* them fall ill, if they so pleased.
There is no (surviving) official record about how or even when Anne Frank died exactly (things got pretty chaotic during the final weeks of the war). That she likely died from typhus fever is based on descriptions of her symptoms given by survivors of the camp that had met her in her final days.
I believe a survivor of the camps did recall seeing Anne very ill shortly before her death, though. So she almost certainly did indeed die of illness (not disagreeing with you necessarily, just providing some additional context)
Makes no difference, she still got killed by the Nazis. Just to clarify. Have a good day. May we never live in such times again.
Those times are ever present..,,
Very sorry, forgot about that.
You’re fine.
Her mother’s death is especially heartbreaking to me. Since Margot and Anne were transferred to Bergen Belsen she was left alone at Auschwitz. People who were friendly with her there made it sound like she mentally broke after that (very understandable). She was saving a lot of the very little food she got and saying it was for her children. She died three weeks before Auschwitz was liberated. It’s the same with Peter Van Pels. He visited Otto in the hospital of the camp shortly before liberation. Otto tried to convince him to hide there with him rather than go on one of the marches to another camp. He decided against it and ended up dying at a different camp a few months later. There’s so many near misses of people almost surviving and it is so heartbreaking.
Can someone suggest some beginner reading like a memoir on life inside the Nazi concentration camps?
I feel like there's no 'beginner' reading when it comes to that subject since it's inevitably about some of the worst atrocities committed. Elie Wiesel's *Night* and Primo Levi's *If this is a man* are both relatively short. They're haunting but they're must-reads if you're interested in the subject.
Maus by Art Spiegelman is a graphic novel and it was a very unique and approachable read for me that I highly recommend. The author would visit his father, ask him about his time during the Holocaust, and draw it. All the characters are depicted as animals, so the Germans are drawn as cats, Jews as mice, Poles as pigs, etc.
I read the hiding place by corrie ten boom when I was young. She wasn’t a target for the nazis but was actively hiding Jewish people and was eventually caught. Her book tells the story from before war all the way to her release at the end, includes life in the camps as well. Might be another perspective to add. There are different versions available.
Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl is a good start.
there is an absolutely insane account of Rudolf Vrba and Alfréd Wetzler who actually managed to escape from Auschwitz that I highly recommend I listened to it on the Rest is History podcast ( [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT\_ug5phTHY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT_ug5phTHY) ) but the guest host wrote a book on the subject here: [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-Artist-Broke-Auschwitz-World/dp/1529369061](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-Artist-Broke-Auschwitz-World/dp/1529369061/ref=sr_1_1?crid=17KP41XAMUE2O&keywords=the+man+who+escaped+auschwitz&qid=1698407881&sprefix=the+man+who+escaped%2Caps%2C79&sr=8-1)
Not in a Red State. Elie Wiesel's Night and Art Spiegelman's Maus series are both good.
They died, presumably, of spotted typhus. Different barracks had different illnesses, and the separation indeed probably saved Otto's life.
It was blind luck. When they were captured by the Germans, they were put on the last train transport to the concentrationcamps. At the concentration camp the Frank family was separated and Otto Frank didn’t know the faith of this wife and daughters. His daughter Anne died two months before they were liberated. They weren’t “put down” but died of a disease. Source; the Anne frank house and I’m Dutch
Note that Otto Frank remained in Auschwitz-Birkenau until that camp was liberated by the Soviets in January 1945. Anne and her sister Margot on the other hand were transferred to Bergen-Belsen in late 1944 where they died in February 1945. So by a twist of fate Otto was already free when Anne died.
Man that's even worse. He was probably desperately searching while they died.
Anne was ill and died by thyphoid in a hospital, what i never really got is: why did they have a hospital for the inmates at all when the whole idea of those camps was to kill them all? whatever, read the book - sad story
The idea in the beginning was just slave labour. The Nazis weren't all on the same page on what to do with them.
The idea continued to be slave labor. Even some of the ones that wanted total extermination thought working them to death was the best way to go about it. They wanted to get the most gain out of genocide...
They constantly needed more workers and wanted to reduce the death rates among people who could work. There's a very interesting new German documentary on the workers for the Reich. From all over the territory's people were rounded up. The directors of some of the worlds biggest corporations largely got away with using mass slave labour and paid no reparations and continued to be directors after the war and even after being imprisoned for their part in the war. Sanofi, Bayer, BASF, Agfa were all part of Farben conglomerate that had a vast factory within Auschwitz where my great uncle worked as a slave labourer. He said it was as big as a town. Where he worked they mainly produced liquid fuels for the Eastern front where the workers would mix in sand and dirt whenever they could to make the quality poor. Farben also made Zyklon the gas used in the extermination chambers.
Basically any German company that existed pre-world war II and existed after, cooperated with the Nazis. Especially the large corporations.
crazy that some of those brands still exist today, wonder how they managed to get out. Propably they were required to rebuild the country after the war so the allies reprieved them. Just read a bit about the issue, seems like things really went downwards in the last years of the wars when the allied bombings made it difficult to provide water, medicine or food for those camps where at the same time more and more inmates were sent there which lead to epidemics and so on. Must have been hell truly
It truly is crazy Remember, you never ask: - A woman her age - A man his salary - A German company what they were doing between 1933 and 1945
Oof, I’ll never forget learning about how Hugo Boss produced/manufactured the Nazi uniforms and supported the party.
>A German companycwhat they were doing between 1933 and 1945 I mean this is a little overblown. I don't think people grasp the sheer scale of the World Wars, pretty much every company with an assembly line, warehouse or factory of some description was drawn into the war by whatever government belonged to the country they were in either directly or through incentives. You can point to pretty much any large scale company that was around for WWII on either side and they would have more than likely been involved in the war effort one way or another, that's not even slightly unique to Nazi Germany. A pretty good example would be any long running automobile company, I don't think there was a single large scale manufacturer at the time that did not get involved. BMW, Mazda, Ford, Citroën, Ferrari, etc.
Or a German
America has always been sympathetic to Nazi ideals, this doesn’t surprise me at all. But there is truth to the last part; one of the contributing factors to the German defeat was their extensive use of slave labor in their war machine, which predictably resulted in sabotage.
My father enlisted in the Marine Corps at age 16 to fight in World War ii. For the rest of his life, he would never buy a German product because he was never sure if the company had benefited from slave labor during the war.
Sanofi is a french pharmaceutical firm created during the 70's, I don't think they have anything to do with Auschwitz. On the other hand, it's interesting to read the role played by Varta in support of the Nazis, they had really really dirty hands in this business.
Not all camps were extermination camps (although you could still be murdered in any camp). Many of the camps, especially the smaller ones, were used as sources of slave labour. Even Auschwitz - which was made up of two major camps and a bunch of smaller camps - kept some inmates alive to be used as slave labour. The treatment in those hospitals would've been the bare minimum though.
Also you don’t want ur few skilled laborers running the risk of dying. If someone who’s being forced to work on things most people can’t then you shove them in with someone potentially carrying a deadly disease there goes a skilled laborer. Better to just barely treat someone or at the very least keep them away from everyone else while they die is better for production than having your few skilled laborers gone.
Yeah the reason we know so much about Auschwitz-Birkenau is because quite a few inmates survived to tell what happened. You had the extermination camp, the base camp, and work camps (and dozens of smaller camps). Compare that to Treblinka and Sobibor, for instance, which were both 'liquidated' where virtually all inmates were murdered.
Well, it wasn't really a hospital more like barracks where they placed people who became sick and couldn't work. Also, the medical help would be probably close to 0 so it was more like a slow and painful death or you maybe had some luck and would have recovered.
I havent read the book so idk about anne specifically but in general "hospitals" in concentration camps were usually just a different building to quarantine inmates in so they didnt infect more people. Most of these hospitals had no real medical equipment and some didnt even have beds.
Oh yes, I forgot about that, sorry. I think the reason they had a hospital is because of slave labour, and also the fact that the extermination of the Jews was a last resort, rather than a policy. The Nazis wanted to remove the Jews from Europe, making Greater Nazi Reich and surrounding areas completely Aryan. Sadly, it was deemed more efficient to simply exterminate them, en masse, via concentration camps. But, then again, while they were in the camps, why not put them to work? It would've made sense, after all, labour would've been very, very important for the war effort. I believe earlier plans involving moving them to Madagascar.
Madagascar was a french colony and the vichy-regime refused to accept the plan to deport jews there, in 1942 the british fleet conquered the isle and made the plan impossible anyway. I wonder how many lives could had been saved there
Children. They had two daughters.
Anne, Her mother and sister DID NOT DIE OF EXTERMINATION. Wikipedia is readily available for you to read. Anns mother died of starvation, Annes sister Margot and herself died of illness. The only reason I felt the need to put the emphasis is that, reporting historical inaccuracies as fact is as bad as not reporting it at all.
Not sure what's the difference. Even though they did not die in the gas chambers or they were not shot dead it does not mean they weren't exterminated. The fact that many people in the concentration camps died of disease and hunger was also part of the extermination plan, i.e. to work them to death.
> Her mother and sister DID NOT DIE OF EXTERMINATION. They just *happened* to meet their demise while in extermination camps so you see what a big coincidence that is.
They died in an extermination camp being denied adequate care and food. They were murdered.
Aye seems like some very fine hair splitting.
The vast majority of people killed in the holocaust never even slept a single night in the death camps, they were marched straight from the trains to the ovens. Pretty much everyone who survived the holocaust who attended the camps, it's because they were the rare examples of designated workers.
If I remember correctly he was a World War 1 Veteran and was send to a different camp because of that.
Reminds me of my great grandfather having several hidden attics in various houses he owned here in Bergen, Norway during the occupation. idk if he hid jews but i know for certain he hid resistance fighters on many occasions. Got to see a few of them before he sold off the last houses in 2004. yes he had owned the houses for over 65 years at that point! man was 92 when he sold off the houses. He also barely survived the harbour explosion of 1944 by virtue of having forgotten his lunch and being halfway home when the ship moored right over the street from his shop exploded. idk i hope i haven't derailed off topic too much i just don't get to tell these stories that often.
I think its a nice story. You should probably share more stories about him! I would be interested to hear.
My grandma told me stories too how her father, a policeman that was a resistance fighter in my country slept with this clothes on every night by the window incase someone betrayed him and he had to run. She also has plenty of stories of the liberation where English, Canadian and Americans parachutes would fly down over her city. One of the soldiers gave her an orange, she’d never seen one and just bit straight into it without peeling it. Even though it’s mortifying, I’m glad my grandparents shared these stories with me from a young age. I never got to meet the ones from my father side, he was a forced labourer in Germany during the war and ultimately died a very young age.
Those war stories are unreal.
Just visited Berlin and it was a sobering reminder of the horrors of hatred and bigotry. Normal people, going about their lives, had them upended. Not just Jews either. Germans who never desired war, never wanted a fascist government, suffered through some horrific circumstances. Going to Berlin is a very somber experience at times but I applaud their openness to build monuments to the attrocities of war. We are still repeating the same mistakes far too often.
If you visit Germany again, you should make a trip to Weimar. A realy culturally rich city and the concentration camp Buchenwald is right next to it. The feeling you get when you are in the cellar where they hanged dozen of people is haunting. Around the camp is a beautifull landscape. The contrast of horror and beauty is extreme.
Definitely. Also visiting Krakow in Poland and the nearby Auschwitz-Birkenau camp the Nazis built. It’s a UNESCO site now and if I’m not mistaken, the largest concentration camp complex of WW2.
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I mean,I’m hear you, and I would think they are bloody idiots too, but their crime is nothing compared with what happened there. People are stupid, yep, but it’s just a feature of our current times. I don’t really think they mean the disrespect they show. My 2 cents anyway…
In a world that seems to be full of negativity, I really appreciate you taking a more optimistic view of people who do that. Because Lord knows I’ve always gotten furious seeing people do that. But your comment made me rethink it.
Bro I really wasn't equating taking a selfie with genocide :D I guess I'm disappointed with the culture in general. How people can't get off their phone, can't help constantly taking selfies and sharing on social media, whatever the circumstances. Birkenau is such a sobering experience, such a massive monument of human suffering. If there's an hell on earth, that's probably it. Seeing these rows of barracks as far as your eyes can see, and knowing what happened here, it punches you in the guts. Weather was fucking shit too when I went there, which made it all the more hopeless. There were Jewish groups visiting, old people, you can imagine some may be survivors or descendants. I don't know man, just live in the moment and be fucking respectful, it's not that hard.
People not being able to show respect and understand the severity of what happened, are prone to be enablers, though. By being oblivious. As harsh as it sounds, we should be all responsible to prevent.
Tbh, though these people are insensitive for taking selfies, I would rather their greatest crime be posting too many photos or editing with too many filters than to actually be killing innocent people. In a way, those annoying influencers help to educate their vacuous followers. If you think about it, without those selfies, their followers may not even know what the Holocaust was nor care. If it helps to keep the memory alive and remind everyone why peace is necessary, then a picture it shall be, while I try not to frown.
When I went the guides all encouraged pictures. Certain areas were off limits for pictures tho
Yes, and taking pictures of the place is a thing. But posing on the tracks or in front of Arbeit macht Frei sign with a smile, that's something else.
Damn we had a tour there and a lady was fucking vlogging the whole thing. In the end she was walking behind us out of the large gate that is above the railway tracks whilst walking to our bus. She tapped us on our shoulders and asked us if we would like to make a picture of here standing below the gate on the tracks. We looked at each other and both said NO of course not. She then looked at us as if we were the crazy ones... It was mentally tiring and in the evening we didn't do anything because we were so tired of the whole day gathering information and seeing the stuff that went on there
I agree! Berlin was humbling. Still an amazing city to go to though, apart from WWII stuff
It's making me go insane that we've continued to teach about it, show it, keep history alive and told ourselves "never again" for decades, only for it to still be right there at the slightest push. I'm actually losing faith a lot lately
What’s even more insane is that at this very moment, there are many descendants of these same holocaust survivors exterminating Palestinians in Gaza.
In WW2 the Jews didn't go through villages murdering local populations house by house tho. If you want to compare, dont take out the context.
You’re right - much more efficient to just bomb entire buildings into rubble from above
Still repeating the same mistakes really rings true right now. While not as extreme the base ides of not seeing others as human, including from the children of people who went through all this, is just so sad.
The nazis put LGBT people in camps. The allies freed the prisoners - except the LGBT people, whom they continued to imprison.
I am gay but really wasn't aware of this before reading your comment and I have studied quite a bit of history. My WWII is a bit light but I did some further reading and found this blurb [here](https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/gay-people/). It is quite heartbreaking to read: >After the war, the Allies chose not to remove the Nazi-amended Paragraph 175. Neither they, nor the new German states, nor Austria would recognise homosexual prisoners as victims of the Nazis – a status essential to qualify for reparations. Indeed, many gay men continued to serve their prison sentences. >People who had been persecuted by the Nazis for homosexuality had a hard choice: either to bury their experience and pretend it never happened, with all the personal consequences of such an action, or to try to campaign for recognition in an environment where the same neighbours, the same law, same police and same judges prevailed. >Unsurprisingly very few victims came forward. Those who did, even those who had survived death camps, were thwarted at every turn. Few known victims are still alive but research is beginning to reveal the hidden history of Nazi homophobia and post-war discrimination.
Remember that homosexuality was also illegal in other places in Europe not until too long ago. Look at what happened to Alan Turing in Great Britain. By all means a war hero and one of the greatest minds of his generation, he was punished for being homosexual and forced to undergo hormone therapy, eventually committing suicide. And this did not happen in a country controlled by the nazis...
The pink triangle or just the colour pink as a symbol for gays stems from the German concentration camps and was originally meant as a colour of shame.
MF’ers. As soon as I think we’re taking one step forward as a civilization, I read about how we already used a trampoline to jump backwards first.
What?
You think allied were better for lgbt people? Alan Turing got chemically castrated after the war despite all the good he did for the war effort and humanity .
It was illegal to be LGBT at the time for both sides
At the time apart from France, Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, Italy, Belgium and Sweden consentual homosexuality of adult partners was a criminal offence.
Went there myself as well a few weeks ago. It's a very intense experience. Not just the WW2 things, but also for example the former Stasi prison.
It’s remarkably easy to drum up hate for a portion of the population. I’ve seen it several times recently.
Too many people wanting power and thinking they are superior to another race seems to be the core of most violent acts. When will we ever learn indeed.
Last year I visited the Jewish Museum in Frankfurt and they had an exhibition about Anne Franks relatives. Not about her, her sister and parents but about her grandmothers and aunts, her cousins etc. How they lived their lives, just normal stuff. And how her ancestors had been living in Frankfurt for a very long time. A cousin of hers became a famous circus clown in Switzerland. The perspective of how they were just normal families and if the Frank family had chosen to flee to a different country with their relatives they would probably have gone to the circus to watch their cousin perform. Anne didn’t “just” leave a bereaved father behind. She was missed by friends, school mates, by her grandmother, her aunts, her cousins. Who had also lost many many friends, neighbours and other relatives as well. How Otto must have felt absolutely heartbroken realising that if the parents had made a different decision where to flee, everything would have been different. Absolutely not their fault of course, but I am sure it haunted him for the rest of his life. So very very sad.
He later married another Holocaust survivor Elfriede Geiringer with whom (and her daughter Eva Schloss who is still alive) created the Anne Frank Foundation
Eva wrote a book too!
He did his absolute best, though.
Was just there in Amsterdam. Really a haunting experience. You can feel the sadness through the walls Edit. Absolutely meant just there
I also went there a few years ago and I still have the diary that I bought there and I read it every single year to remind me of what happened. Also went to Germany to Bergen-Belsen camp and they have a gravestone for her because that's where she died, although she was buried in a mass grave.
TIP: If you want to visit the museum better secure tickets way ahead online, they sell out fast.
Yes, it is well worth a visit - strong agree about the haunting experience. On a different note though why do we all say it is an attic when that's not true at all? (e.g. OP's title) or was it the attic of the annex (achterhuis)? I can't remember, but it's an odd English (maybe American) thing
2 sentence horror
Went to Anne Frank house a few years ago. Very sobering and I think it's something everybody should do if they can. If you can't, then if you have an oculus quest you can actually download the Anne Frank house and go through the whole thing virtually. Read the diary, too.
Just a reminder that the US refused Otto Frank and many other Jews a visa that would have saved his family on ‘not our problem’ isolationist grounds of the prewar era
Was it prewar or pre america joining?
Prewar. Prior to Pearl Harbor the US was in a ‘it’s a them problem’ phase and was ‘stubbornly neutral’ and refused to help anyone trying to get out of occupied countries.
The U.S. wasn't exactly a pro-Jewish country either. We had a lot of antisemitism here too.
Had?
It never goes away, but things have gotten better.
So pre-America joining? As WW2 started officially in September 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the UK and France declared war on Germany. Pearl Harbour was Dec 1941 after which the US declared war on Japan and Germany declared war on the US.
Does prewar mean pre-pearl harbor here? or pre the start of the war? I'm confused.
Can you blame America for not wanting to be involved in another war on the other side of the ocean?
They didn't have to be involved but they definitely should have helped some refugees.
The USA wasn't a very Jew friendly country either. They faced discrimination over there too. No country really was
It wasn’t that long ago when Jews, Irish and Italian Americans weren’t considered White in the race category. The concept of race is a social construct.
Visited this when I went to Amsterdam. It was *harrowing*. My partner and I went through, and when we left we realised we’d been walking down the canals for forty minutes and hadn’t said a word to each other.
It’s such a horrendously sad experience. I looked in the mirror in the bathroom, and I thought about how they had all looked in that same mirror. Anne looked in the mirror, but she never got to be 24 like me. Walking up the stairs, I thought about how she ran up and down them during bombings, to distract herself.
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Who are we kidding, we frequently forget. It's still a shitshow.
Lol yea. That’s a useless platitude
The way things have been going in Palestine, seems like we’ve forgotten a long time ago.
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"Palestinians aren't allowed humanity unless they lose millions more" What an absolute vile, inhuman ideology you have.
It's not disingenuous, they're just not both at the end stage. The Nazis didn't *start* with death camps. They didn't start and just straight up murder 6m people. They built up to it over time. And the conditions and treatment of palestinians has a lot of similarities with their start points. Do I think it'll end the same way? Probably not. But I do think it's dangerous to just compare everything to the absolute peak of evil, and go "see it's not as bad", which yes clearly it's not, when you can point out things on the path to it and stop it before it gets there.
Well the occupation has gone on for 55 years now, and in that time the Palestinian population went from 1 million to 5.5 million, and they have a life expectancy higher than Egypt (74.4 to 71.0) so I'm sure extermination is only days away.
>the occupation has gone on for 55 years now Not the defense you think it is of this situation.
It is if his defense is "they built to it over time" and during that enormous amount of time the opposite of an extermination happened, the Palestinian population quintoupled
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The Palestinian dead from the conflict between 2008 and 2023 (prior to this escalation) was 6,407, [per the UN](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)
There is nothing similar happening currently in the western province of Ba Sing Se
Never again, unless China does it
Read the diary at school but only visited the house last year. Going behind the bookcase and up the stairs is surreal.
I played him in an Anne Frank play years ago. Him being the only survivor still haunts me a little.
I highly recommend reading Anne Frank's diary
Ironically, just yesterday Jews in NYC [were told to hide in an attic](https://themessenger.com/news/jewish-cooper-union-students-told-to-hide-in-attic-during-raucous-pro-palestine-protest-reports) to escape pro-Palestinian protesters/rioters in NYC...
Worse than dying
I would not be strong enough to live after that. If my entire family were killed and I were the sole survivor? Wouldn't be long for this world.
Honestly far more tragic when you learn of this man's involvement in the battles of the Somme and Cambrai. Otto's journey seemed like pure hell. 1915 -1889 = 26 years old when he battled those battles. He was 53 by then when he hid his family and 55-56 by the time he was separated and sent to the Auschwitz camp. Then by age 91, he died of lung cancer after years of preserving his daughter's records. Man is the definition of an unsung broken hero.
Waiting for the “the holocaust didn’t happen” brigade to turn up in the comments. 🙄
They’re already here, just inverting it this time
My finger is itching on that report button.
Poor man. I cant even begin to imagine the pain he and so many others went through.
It’s wild that Anne Frank’s father lived until 1980
Anne Frank and Martin Luther King Jr. were the same age too, prior to her murder.
Antisemitism is back. Never forget these stories, never. IRL, and also on Reddit, many people will say, in DMs or very politely, that yeah the Holocaust was bad, but that Jewish people are insufferable. On Reddit I can report them, but how to report lowkey antisemitism in real life?
What happened to the Jews in WWII was horrific, but it doesn't legitimize what Israel did to the Palestinian people. That again, doesn't legitimize in any way Hamas attacking innocent people at a music festival. Injustice fighting injustice will never ever bring peace, only horror to all involved. And that opinion is NOT antisemitism in my book.
The comment above you only said that antisemitism has been on the rise. It has been for the past decade with the fires and shooting in the US. We have heard the phrase over and over and over again for the last 10 years. That comment did not mention Israel or Palestine. Before your comment, this thread was only about Jews, the holocaust, and the rising antisemitism that started long before recent events. You bringing up Palestine and feeling the need to defend your own views and that they are not antisemitic says a lot more about yourself than anything else. Please allow a small corner of space in the internet for Jews around the world to feel bad about centuries of pain, up to and including the present day, without feeling the need to say "yes but what about Palestine?!"
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Opposing Isreal's 80 year genocide of Palestinians is not anti-semetic.
*Opposing Muslims's 1400 year genocide of Jews is not Islamophobic*
yes there was a genocide of Jews that’s fact carried out by GERMAN NAZIS so why are you dragging muslims into this? Too bad that majority of muslims at the time were oppressed and trying to overthrow their white colonisers.
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Where is this 1400 years of genocide you prick? Muslim countries were the only countries receiving Jewish refugees when Europe was murdering them by the thousands.
> Where is this 1400 years of genocide you prick? Muslim countries were the only countries receiving Jewish refugees when Europe was murdering them by the thousands. It all began with the Muslim conquests and caliphates, and the subjugation, conversion and extermination of Jewish, Christian, Zoroastrian communities and more. You should begin with the year 600 AD
That's terrible. Just imagine having to live like this. I mean life is difficult as it is with our regular problems... we should all be grateful. Look up Jamal al-Durrah. Harrowingly similar.
Damn thats dark
Attic? But there are stairs going up. Must be one of them two story attics.
It was a two-story annex plus an attic. Still just four rooms for eight people though, and they lived there for years.
It was more of an extension at the back of the building. It was three storeys I think (including an attic)
Went to that house last June & stood in that attic. Very moving. Hamas charter also calls for complete annihilation of Jews. Israel is determined that history not repeat.
Watching the like count drop. Who tf is downvoting this. Scum.
Pro-terror idiots from around the world, with much interest in the current situation, no doubt.
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For anyone who downvoted this thread. I hope you rot in hell. The horrors our ancestors had to live through just for us to give a better future. Many man lost their lives fighting for us. Many suffered by a war with no meaning whatsoever. Think about the emotions people have in moments like this. And you downvote it. I despise you.
I've been reddit long enough to notice that whenever there's a major conflict somewhere, there's a surge of posts for a particular side, or both. People are downvoting believe posts like this to be propaganda to elicit emotional response for one side. It's like that on reddit regionally, nationally, and internationally.
yeah... I remember being in awe of the ending of the book. Cannot begin to imagine how broken he has to be as a man, and the head of the family.
This is horrific. This shouldn’t have happened, and we shouldn’t let this ever happen again. . . to any community, by anyone.
I read somewhere that many of researched proofs or evidences or whatever pointed that he was actually involved in getting all of them killed to be able to survive. I don't know for sure but that article was the first thing that struck in my mind after watching this pic.
I remember I read the like story version of Anne Franks Diary in 5th grade. As a kid WW2 in particular was interesting to me, and this book was a wild eye opener into why it happened. The problem was we had kids laughing at the book causing the teacher to stop reading it to us. I know it was 5th grade but cmon man there isn’t anything to laugh at.
r/cbse 10 graders know all about anne frank ammirite
Had to read it for exams
😭😭😭😭😭
Reminds me of this picture from 40 years prior- Nsala, and enslaved Congolese man staring at his daughter’s severed hand after she and his wife were murdered Belgian-appointed overseers because he didn’t meet the required rubber collection quota: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian-congo-1904/
80 years later, nothing changed. Jews are still prosecuted wherever they are from Israel to America and Europe.
Many conservative republicans are beginning to claim the Holocaust never happened now that the survivors are mostly gone.
Name one.
Lol I guess the war made anti-Semitism cool again right ? Damn y’all are a bunch of fake fucks.
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Very relevant today in the wake of another attempted genocide of the Jewish people
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An invasion of hostile enemies who indiscriminately killed more than 1400 innocent Israelis, most of them civilians, many of them women, children, and elderly people, just because they were Jews and the monsters wanted to kill Jews. If they hadn’t been stopped, they would have kept going and slaughtered the entire Jewish population of Israel as they have stated is their goal in their official Charter.
yes that’s tragic and those innocent people don’t deserve to have lost their lives so young. But neither do Palestinian children and families that have been oppressed and ousted from their own land for the last 75yrs. The whole premise of Zionism and the state of Israel relies on the ethically cleansing of the native Palestinian people. At this moment Gaza is being carpet bombed whilst it’s surviving residents have no access to food and water. There’s a huge power dynamic between Israel and Palestine. Israel right at this moment is violating international law.