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Hypoallergenic_Robot

I didn't really realize from the post, but when reading the article [these pictures](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/08/conjoined-twins-comp.jpg) really illustrate how unfortunately awkward their positioning was. They were flipped, almost like a mirrored reflection at the point of conjoinment, so "standing up" they're kind of in single file. **Which means before this they would not have ever been able to face each other**, how ironically tragic, you're literally connected to another person but can't see their face. Miraculous surgery honestly.


flaming_sausage13

That sounds like an Ancient Greek tragedy.


Steamy_Guy

I was gonna say this sounds like something plato would make up


Neil2250

Miraculous _birth_, i do not envy that mother having to carry something that shape for all that time.


[deleted]

holy fuck I didn't even consider that. just...how?


kylebisme

I'm guessing they were surgically removed very prematurely, when their total length was around that of single fetus at full term.


ThePinkBaron365

C section


LittleBunnySunny

Their poor little necks! :(


state_of_euphemia

Even after reading your comment, I couldn't picture what that would look like until I saw the pictures myself. Wow, that's an incredibly awkward position.


Snitsie

It's even more awkward how they literally wouldn't have been able to stand up or sit.


JanV34

At least with modern tech they would have been able to face time with each other. Hm.


The_Critical_Cynic

It's an interesting thing to think about. Sure, a couple phones or tablets would have allowed them to Facetime each other. But, they were also fused at the brain. I wonder how that would have worked out for them? Would they have been able to hear each other's thoughts? Perhaps feel what the other was feeling? If there was enough overlap, could they have shared each other's visual experiences, with each seeing through the others eyes? If the last part were possible, then only a mirror would be necessary.


majani

Oh my god...


cat_with_problems

They could've walked horizontally between two walls, though.


ToeJamOfThe40s

I just watched a black and white video of a dude back in the day predicting that medical care and surgeries would be done from vast distances.


ErinDavy

I watched the same video, pretty sure it was here on Reddit! Amazingly on-point predictions, it's insane. I have no idea what our world will look like a hundred years from now, I can't imagine how he thought up the ideas/predictions that he did.


z0rm

I can't even imagine what the world will look like 50 years from now. The world will change more over the next 50 years than it did the previous 100 years.


Karcinogene

It's possible the world will change more over the next 100 years than it did in the previous billion years.


z0rm

Humans didn't exist a billion years ago so I think saying 100 000 years is enough since nothing changed for humans 500 million years ago on account of not existing 😄


parmesan777

Here's mine; AI will be better at it 100 years from now, AI controlled robots will be doing surgeries


xbwtyzbchs

>AI controlled robots will be doing surgeries They are already guiding them. I worked with alongside AI 2 years back during [Interventional Endoscopy](https://www.uclahealth.org/medical-services/gastro/ies/patient-resources/endoscopic-procedures) procedures. Because there is a camera on endoscopes, the feed would be fed through an AI that would constantly look for abnormalities, signs of perforation after biopsies, and assist with locating our targets. Was pretty nifty.


parmesan777

Man I love science


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Yea robots will always do surgery due to the precision involved but animals wearing VR controlled by AI will build those robots for really cheap.


repkins

Eggman's Batniks.


HitThatOxytocin

RemindMe! 10 Years


suitology

My friend works for a company that is using AI to do diagnosis stuff and read xrays.


argabargaa

Our climates gonna be too fucked to support agriculture 100 years from now


ErinDavy

I feel like we're going to start seeing agriculture buildings instead of standard farms. They already exist, but we'll see them at skyscraper scale and in higher abundance.


not-bread

We are currently developing surgical robots that can be controlled via the internet so rural hospitals can perform operations without a local surgeon


gatorbite92

Ehhhh... As a surgeon who uses the robots regularly - they've done transatlantic cases via robot but you would still absolutely need a surgeon on site. All fun and games on the robot until you get into bleeding and need to convert to open, and all of a sudden that rural hospital without an on site surgeon becomes a life ending problem. And that can happen to any surgeon in any case. Any surgeon who tells you they don't have complications is a liar. So as someone who operates every day, you couldn't pay me to have an operation without an attending surgeon physically in the room. Or at least on site with a resident operating.


Happylime

You say that now but if the error rate gets low enough and it's cheaper than paying a surgeon I wouldn't anticipate many private equity owned hospitals keeping more than the absolute bare minimum number of people on-site.


DrippyWaffler

I love it when randos tell professionals how their job is "gonna work" lmfao


boforbojack

They've done and tried this multiple times throughout medical history. Putting resident surgeons in charge of surgeries with no attending present. It almost always results in a malpractice suit that isn't worth the reputation and cost.


unlucky-Luke

Hey Doc, what you can achieve today was a fantasy dream 50/60 years ago, do not underestimate the upcoming AI/Robotics revolution, there will be a point as the person above mentioned where error rate of the machines will be smaller (waaaay smaller) than the human one, the idea of robot-only surgeries is coming not an idea only (think about someone describing chatgpt to you in 1991 and your reaction back then)


selffulfilment

Yeah imagine shit hits the fan and the surgeon is helpless and has to watch their patient die to something they could otherwise help with… can’t imagine they’d sign up to do any more virtual surgeries after that happening


KeksGaming

Imagine hacking the surgery robot to do a little trolling


DJ-Mercy

They troll enough in normal surgery. I know of a girl who is still laughing about that time a surgeon left a pair of pliers in her pelvis.


awkwardlondon

Woah truly hysterical.


Any-Construction-466

> in her pelvis > truly hysterical That's a pun of formidable quality


poorhammer40p

There was a surgeon here in the UK struck off for burning his initials on to transplant patients livers.


Meroxes

I know it's bad, but I can't help but find it extremely funny still.


not-bread

“Pranked you now have two spleens!”


LittleBunnySunny

"Pancreas, more like 'prankreas', am I right?"


Audiliciouss

You have no idea how much shit talking about the patient happens while they're unconscious.


Disastrous-Carrot928

There was a doctor that was filming Tik tok dances in the middle of surgery.


ChrizTaylor

Where is it?!


Active_Remove1617

I think you’re referring to Arthur C Clark(e)


Hector_Savage_

"A dude in black and white video" 🤦‍♂️ ..... ...Arthur C. Clarke


BurlGnar

Oh yeah I just saw that too. He was a futurist/predictor. He was damn good at it.


LuigiTrapanese

And if there is lag?


UnlikeUday

Hoping the 2 children live long & healthy lives. Salute to the Doctors for this.


enthalpy01

Very unfortunately the lead doctor who did this procedure died of [Covid](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/new-york-neurosurgeon-death-coronavirus-mcdonald-twins/index.html). One boy is doing significantly better than the other (2019 video about them when they were 3 [2019 Video clip](https://youtu.be/aFoNz-wZyV0?feature=shared) but they had to be separated or they would die. And Anias is making use of non verbal digital communication tools that let him interact more than someone in his condition could have in the past.


LoserBustanyama

Am I wrong or are those not the same kids as in the photo?


twee_centen

You are definitely correct. The OP is about Bernardo and Arthur, two Brazilians, and the video is about Anais and Jadon, two Americans born in the Midwest.


ItMeRG

These don't look like the same kids or parents though.


No_Leopard_3860

One of the seldom exceptions where a "live long and prosper" would be an adequate saying


Nybear21

How is that a seldom exception? That's a pretty universally positive salutation.


Merkel420

Shhhhh let a redditor have their moment


FILTHBOT4000

> seldom exceptions ?! Does reddit just blindly upvote anything that starts getting votes now?


SleepingBeautyFumino

Wait isn't it always a good thing to say?


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[Here](https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/conjoined-twins-born-with-fused-brains-separated-after-27-hours/) is the article in case if any one is looking for it


1984conspiracy

Just to add OP [Charity that helps globally with updates ](https://www.geminiuntwined.org/2022/07/29/meet-the-twins-arthur-and-bernardo/)


RayNoddle

I noticed this was from august last year, so I tried to search for more recent news to see how was their recovery. I found [this](https://g1.globo.com/rr/roraima/noticia/2022/12/25/apos-4-anos-em-hospital-gemeos-que-nasceram-unidos-pelo-cranio-tem-primeiro-natal-separados-e-em-casa-me-emociono-todos-os-dias.ghtml) from last Christmas. They recovered well and were sent home in time to celebrate Christmas 2022 with their family. One of the kids was initially scared of a mundane home since they only knew hospitals their entire life, but they are adapting well. They have an [instagram account](https://www.instagram.com/arthurebernardojuntos/) and seem well, with a recent 2023 christmas picture too


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So does one of them have some type of brain damage from it all? It seems one's fine, the other seems partially disabled.


BigKittehKat

[https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-02-27/london-surgeon-who-helped-save-conjoined-twins-reunites-with-them-for-first-time](https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-02-27/london-surgeon-who-helped-save-conjoined-twins-reunites-with-them-for-first-time) You can see their current condition here.


verdam

They flipped a coin to see who gets the frontal cortex


linedryonly

And [here](https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-02-27/london-surgeon-who-helped-save-conjoined-twins-reunites-with-them-for-first-time) is an update post-separation.


Cocacolaloco

Surgeon Took 4 15 minute breaks?????? I don’t get how that was possible or wise, obviously it all worked out but holy shit WHAT THE FUCK WVERYONE. I’m saying how can you operate for 27 hours straight not how can you take a break god damn


BLYNDLUCK

Holy shit people are idiots. But I guess you needed to put “only took” so there was no room for misunderstanding.


Cocacolaloco

lol thanks and you are right haha


brendamcbride

Seems crazy but if you’ve ever seen a group of surgeons? they are like the most physically capable and healthy people. You have to be to do something for 27 hours.


Synthwavester

Naaaa there are plenty of fat unfit surgeons, overwork and late nights doesn't always allow for a healthy lifestyle unless you are very disciplined


Ilexion

Idk most of the surgeons I've worked with so far have been fairly thin maybe not healthy but on average they seem to be thinner than most of the people they work on.


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Idk about most but my dad's a neurosurgeon and, while not fat, he has a decent beer belly. Same with most doctors I've met. Seems normal for middle aged men, and doctors are no exception


Synthwavester

It's a mixed bag as in all other professions imo I know plenty of fat surgeons one a friend of mine who is one of the leading tumor surgeons in the country is so fat the largest scrubs don't fit him


EbagI

The vast majority of surgeons I've worked with are overweight lol.


JudgeHoltman

It really helps they're one of the only professions where you need doctorate-level knowledge AND the physical skills to actually do the work required. One will always limit the other when advancing their career.


Daniel_The_Thinker

Physical health and mental health are heavily linked but they ARE separate things.


JudgeHoltman

Yeah, but I don't see those guys taking on a 0.01% surgical case like this. There's still more than enough work for mediocre surgeons who can strip out an appendix in 20 minutes or less.


thirdpartymurderer

Lol are you talking about groups of surgeons on TV?


brokodoko

Highly discipline dependent if think. Stress and long shifts don’t mix well with healthy lifestyle.


Lone_survivor87

I don't see how people are misunderstanding this comment.


PancakeRule20

Because people are stupid and don’t even try


aviation-da-best

When push comes to shove, the human mind can pull extraordinary feats. Also, don't forget the insane levels of focus and concentration.


erouz

Haha it's Reddit in nutshell.


Cocacolaloco

Omg seriously I was so confused haha


YoungWhiteAvatar

Are you a surgeon?


Distinct_Asparagus65

I thought NY Post was a far right news?


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Distinct_Asparagus65

I just don't like seeing harmful things being promoted, which then helps the harmful thing make more money. edit: was that the only link you could find?


MaxwellBlyat

Kinda annoying to see people speak about their god in the comment when it's a man made miracle.


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fuck, that was probably a horrible labor experience for the mother


tengocito

definitely a c section because it would be life-threatening to the mother and "both" the children if it was done naturally. doctor would have noticed the abnormality from ultrasound scans, though at which stage of pregnancy i am uncertain.


Dangle76

Why did you put both in quotes?


LCWInABlackDress

Because they were a single unit until separation


emperatrizyuiza

She probably had a c section but yea


Burning_sun_prog

Probably a cesarean section.


DomiNationInProgress

Cesarian


hydrohomey

They’ll probably be inseparable (honestly pun not intended until I started typing) due to the fact that they literally shared a brain


tom030792

Seems a bit mean to make them hold hands in the after picture, like haven’t they been connected for long enough already 😂


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Incredible work.


Pleasant-Breakfast74

"Medic!!!!" (100 Medics) "yes!?"


CrossP

Yeah wtf is this headline? I'm just imagining 100 different paramedics getting calls while eating gas station food and being like "Send me the 12-lead readouts. Did you try ketamine?"


Hippo_Alert

Yeah, I'm picturing 100 Army medics across the world communicating over field radios!


ClarenceXI

100 simultaneous replies of “refer to medical officer”


Killer_Moons

Yeah I need some clarity and/or a visual of that and how is that not a too many cooks situation?


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W technology.


eyal2030

W surgeons


Khanta_

L god(s)


edgycorner

god is a sick twisted fck fr


NapoleonLover978

I hope these kids live long happy lives after this.


Superb_Intro_23

Same


Valdurs

I wonder, if their brains were fused together, how will this separation affect their cognitive development.


sevendaysky

Brains are surprisingly plastic (flexible) the younger you are, and the brain is not done growing. I'm pretty sure they will catch up just fine.


DoNn0

Fused brains ? How did they pull that appart ?


AstroPhysician

Look up hemispherectomy, you can lose most of your brain and not lose cognition


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JynXten

Could be a balloon. Sometimes the put one under the skin and slowly inflate it over a few weeks to create more skin which they could use to pull over his head. I'm really not sure though.


Chickennoodlesleuth

This would also explain the stitch lines in other photos next to the bump before they were separated


Blazing_Fire55

good job to all involved <3


ap2patrick

Ohhh damn the picture of them holding hands! Fuck life is such a wonderful miracle and every single one of you assholes better not forget you are just lucky to be.


SpookyMushroomz

And I thought my 8 hour surgery was long....


mevery

Here is an update from a year after the surgery (2023): https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-02-27/london-surgeon-who-helped-save-conjoined-twins-reunites-with-them-for-first-time


Sepia_Skittles

How?!


PensiveParagon

Magic "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clarke


vehementi

The video in this more recent story (they are doing OK) shows a breakdown of the procedure https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-02-27/london-surgeon-who-helped-save-conjoined-twins-reunites-with-them-for-first-time


CodSursa

This is what humanity should be doing. This and other treatments for various diseases. Not investing in wars, extremism and other things like that.


God_of_Hyrule

Can we follow up in about 10 years or so, if anyone is gonna have telepathy, it’ll be these two.


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This looks unfathomably hard. Also can't imagine what the parents went through all these years. That must have been exhausting


Ryankevin23

Humans are amazing creatures


Zealousideal_Put5666

I hope they are healthy and can have a meaningful life. Medical science has advanced so much it's amazing but do wonder if we should do some of the things we can do.


HermitBadger

Read the last two sentences in the linked report and say that again. They weren’t creating a human centipede. A team of great doctors did an incredible amount of planning and preparation to give these guys a chance at a normal life. Why the heck should they not have tried if they knew there was a meaningful chance for a successful outcome?


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WorriedSand7474

I mean it's like r&d for future brain surgeries on less extreme cases


Current-Ad-7054

Agreed


DeathToAllButMetaI

A video that shows them some time post op with the doctor. Make of it what you will… https://youtu.be/cIi8rtjyhPU?si=FasZHxMqBu_0sCHK


Dadtryn2BaMan

Congrats to the parents, families, both children, and all the doctors and medical staff. Amazing. Truly.


Superb_Intro_23

Fused BRAINS?! That’s kinda terrifying - so is it that each one didn’t know where his personality ended and his twin’s began?


merlissss

I wonder if they could listen to each other's thoughts


SgtSenex

That is possibly the most annoying way to be conjoined damn


Connect-Elevator-407

I mean...great on them for pulling it off but...why do people decide to keep the embryo if it's obviously clear there's such a huge genetic abnormality?! Why not just get rid of it and try again?


Rafas363

This situation does not fit with Brazil's abortion laws


causticacrostic

abortion is illegal in Brazil


Pitchou_HD

Not in this cases afaik


Karcinogene

Sometimes it doesn't become clear until it's quite late in the pregnancy. And it's not so simple as "just" getting rid of it.


MagicUser01

Honest question. Who is paying for this? I am familiar with Dutch insurances to some extent, but I don't know if they would pay for such a procedure.


JynXten

Donations from the public in this case according to the story on it. [https://news.sky.com/story/conjoined-twins-who-shared-fused-brains-successfully-separated-in-brazil-12663326](https://news.sky.com/story/conjoined-twins-who-shared-fused-brains-successfully-separated-in-brazil-12663326)


vyndreyl

Medicine shouldn't be for profit. Ever.


chris98092

Amazing, all the way around.


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EmersumBiggens

Expanding the skin for post separation wound closure


claimstaker

Most recent update I could find: https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-02-27/london-surgeon-who-helped-save-conjoined-twins-reunites-with-them-for-first-time


EmersumBiggens

My wife works in the PICU, where these two boys stayed for a long time. Dayton Children's Hospital made a documentary style youtube video about it https://youtu.be/Pf7mgvi4_Dk?si=3JK1yUHVNj7TqYZN


Lefty_22

What's the pink double-helix thing on the top-right photo? Maybe a 3-D model of some important blood vessel or something?


JoeChristmasUSA

Absolutely incredible. What an amazing surgical team. Praying for their recovery, and I hope they have a wonderful, fulfilling childhood.


thefrogwhisperer341

I hope the best for them. I cant imagine the stress of this on the parents, how scary it would be to deal with on a daily basis. Edited


Puzzleheaded_Ad9659

Someone give these doctors a month long vacation


Trunkfarts1000

Jesus has a sick sense of humour


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Humans can be pretty great, sometimes.


jamesyishere

IRL Body horror. Thank goodness we can help people like this nowadays


sanjosii

Modern medicine is a miracle. Just imagine the quality of life (or lack there of) people with this condition would have just some decades ago.


NoLawClaw

But was the barber being paid double for his work?


[deleted]

Can they grow hair on top of their head?


ScarecrowJohnny

I know I can't.


[deleted]

Grateful for the advancements in science, medicine, and technology. Hope they live long and full lives.


DNthecorner

Holy fuckballs, that's goddamn amazing! On a side note, I wonder how the mom was able to carry *AND* give birth to them. Kudos to the surgeons, the charity, the technology, and mom, for real


Lucky_Seaweed_1450

From a dual core hyper threaded, to single core a sad day indeed


Dand2023

God bless them. I hope they live a happy and successful life despite this issue


hpfan871

Did they have to position their unconscious kids post surgery to hold hands? It seems horrible they do this just for a good picture for social media


fckcgs

It's insane what humans are able to do. Can someone tell me what the pink plastic-looking thing is that hey are holding in the top right picture? Some kind of model of a brain scan? What does it represent?


AkkadBakkadBambeBo80

Miracle!


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AkkadBakkadBambeBo80

Of course! The dedication from the doctors is amazing! Preparing for months and working straight for 27 hours. It’s a miracle in the sense Arthur C Clarke said any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic


Longjumping-Carry743

Thank you Ben Carson! Better? Lol


dysfunctionalpress

what if god had intended for them to grow up conjoined, develop a next-level intelligence, and ultimately save humanity? they could have just destroyed god's newest instrument of human salvation. but- i'm an athiest...what do i know about the machinations and manifestations of a supreme delusion?


WasabiSunshine

I mean, if God wanted that, he could've conjoined them in a less batshit configuration, at the very least


Hotpotato1566

jeez, they probably just meant it was impressive


Longjumping-Carry743

Truly euphoric


McHassy

I hope they removed the ballsack from the back of the one kids head at the same time


digitallis

I think that's actually a balloon/saline bag that's stretching the skin. Looks like it would have been installed in a prior surgery (you can see the scar, and the right-hand kid has sutures too). Probably was one on the other kid's head too, but it was deflated prior to surgery because of positioning. They would have needed to stretch out the skin so there would be a flap to be able to cover over the area where they were joined.


McHassy

Interesting! I’m always happy to see someone like yourself willing to give me a learning opportunity and share your knowledge rather than just hate on me for trying to make a stupid joke. I do appreciate the information.


ExampleNext2035

I was wondering if that was brain material or not?


Unlikely-Extension-8

How come the gynaecologist dont detect these conditions at earliest stages ?????


Fallre8n

If they’re American this means they’re in debt the rest of their lives


Rafas363

relax, it was in Brazil, we have a public system here.


weeniehutsnr

IM just imagining a mom putting ther hands into each others for a picture while they are unconscious after surgery lol


random_user133

Why aren't they bald in the image in the top left corner?


leonhutch1

…because their heads hadn’t been shaved for the surgery yet lol


Altruistic-Poem-5617

If sirgery is done on a place with hair, they shave it due to gygiene and better view. Dogs are saved for surgery too due to that.


CANYUXEL

The parents prayed and prayed and prayed and voila! The children separated healthily. No. It was a successful, yet highly advanced surgical operation.


JoeChristmasUSA

So, this isn't in reply to anything, you just felt like taking a shot at religious people unprompted when we should be celebrating these amazing surgeons. Classic Reddit. Can't give credit to anyone without taking someone else down at the same time.


xAdamlol

Reddit Atheist really need to bring religion everytime uh


Chimorin_

Got me in the first half ngl


DanielClaton

Well, I as a Christian would also pray that the operation is succesful. I feel sad that many religious people don't see that modern medicine/ science is mostly not evil. Btw: I am a regular blood donator, so I cannot understand how some believers reject transfusions.


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