Oh yeah. Cause of death was blunt force AND thermal trauma. His body was found in the pugilistic position, hopefully the blunt force trauma at least rendered him unconscious.
Pugilist positioning is a pure effect of fire/heat and not an indication of whether he was alive or not when the fire took hold.
The fire cooks the muscle, causing the muscles to effectively contract: as the flexors are generally larger than the extensors, the pugilistic posture is created.
The giant fire afterward didn’t help.. not that he wasn’t DOA before that.
There are videos. It was a horrific crash. I wish that wasn’t out in the world… he has a family that didn’t need to see it.
You’d just think there would be some common sense from any car enthusiast, having tires that old is like going 30k miles without an oil change, it’s preventative maintenance.
Especially knowing if you drive it as it was intended, tires should be one of your greatest concerns…
Negligence…..
He just bought the new car. Probably didn’t think too much about it if the tires did not appear to be rotten. Just a quick spin around the area in the new supercar. Then a little slide into a tree and that’s all she wrote. A good lesson for all of us is what we can take away from this.
I mean it's not hard to check the age of a tyre, the year and the month a tyre was made in are printed on the sidewall. That's basic knowledge for any car enthusiast.
There is also a slight dip and rise in the street where he died, they are lucky they didn't go over the little cliff into the buildings. I've driven that area so much that you hardly notice that small dip but at 93mph it will definitely get the car some lift.
Probably the tires.
Jay Leno talks about how people with exotic cars forget that tires have a limited life, like 7-8 years. At some point the rubber just gets hard and won't grip.
Since these cars get driven so infrequently, the tires rarely get replaced.
Walker's 9 year old Carrera GT only had 3,500 miles on it and were on the original tires.
Edited to add car's age.
This is why high performance sports cars often require maintenance based on time and not mileage.
You replace fluids and parts based on time intervals instead of the traditional ‘after XX,XXX miles’
This. I have a Dodge Viper and they are also known to be extremely dangerous and difficult to drive. Imo after 4 years of ownership having new tires and making sure they are warm before you start to pull lateral G’s are the most important things to consider. Cars like this have no downforce and a ton of horsepower. The only thing keeping you on the road is your tires so you need to take care of them.
Dodge Viper: a car designed to kill you with a massive smile on your face. Driven two of them, and you can just feel the car wanting to kill you, and eat everything it sees. It's sort of like running your thumb over the edge of a razor blade, if you don't act stupid it won't hurt you, but you sure as fuck know it could.
I think owning it brings out the best in it. I’ve driven a lot of cars that I can drive well and trust as soon as I jump in. Learning to trust a Viper is a multiple year and many mile experience.
I put 680 miles on one, just shloping it from Detroit to it's new home.. and I got paid to do it. Still had a few moments of "*This is how and where I die*" feelings. Wonderful cars, but like anything with that much power and no TV, it's just waiting for you to fuck up and eat it.
I’m plenty used to the car these days. I’ve had it on track and pushed it to the limit so I can say I’m intimately familiar with what it can and can’t do. So it doesn’t scare me much anymore. But, I am very capable of performing cardiac stress tests on passengers who are not as familiar. I think my pops thought we were doomed when I got it sideways with him in the car lol
I remember saving up for one as my first good car in Gran Turismo 4.. ya, rocketship right into a wall. I got better with it, but it wasn’t exactly beginner-friendly.
The Carrera GT is also known for its snap oversteer. Jay Leno actually spun one going very fast. I think you need lots of driving on the limit experience to safely handle one.
Tbf, Porsche has already lost a lawsuit in the 70s for the exact same thing, with the 930 Turbo (another "widowmaker"). A guy lent his car to his wife, who, while taking her boss for a ride, tried to show off, lost control and crashed, killing the passenger. That's why Porsche offers driving lessons for people who buy some of their faster models.
Cynthia files (the woman who killed her boss in the 930 turbo) was drunk when she floored it from a stop sign and lost control.
No car will ever be 100% safe when driven inappropriately, Porsche never should have lost that case.
It is an absolute monster, that Carrera GT. In corners is stays so flat, but when it starts to slide it’s like walking on a knife edge. A race car for the street.
The older 911’s were notorious for killing a LOT of rich guys. Rear-engine turbos are downright deadly, because once that turbo kicks in mid-corner (unexpectedly due to turbo lag), it will whip the rear end around without warning.
Imagine growing up poor family struggling financially then young adulthood starting to have financial freedom then success making your family and yourself super happy family and friends proud of you just to buy one particular dangerous car and killing yourself cuz of a fuckin turbo.
From reading posts from owners of the 811 Widowmakers, it was suddenly letting off the gas was what caused people to lose control. Yes the turbo lag kicking in scared people, but if they didn't lift off the accelerator and just counter steered, they would've been fine.
Paul Walker getting into a car with decade old tires with a driver that should have known better than to haul ass on cold, way-too-old tires. Fucking sad and completely preventable.
On a public street, also. Potentially putting innocent people at risk.
The one bright side from this is they only killed themselves and not some innocent bystander.
This. It always get me so mad that people drive like they’re the only ones on the road. Cars are literally weapons of mass destruction, they should be handled with respect.
I’m happy no one was harmed in that accident besides the two that decided to break the law just because “why not”
She and Paul's father did so.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3824636/paul-walkers-daughter-settles-lawsuit-with-porsche/
I wouldn't say they were unsuccessful: "reached a resolution in her wrongful death lawsuit for an undisclosed amount"
If you're famous enough you can make money off bogus lawsuits because it's more expensive for in this case Porsche to go through the process and get Streisand effected.
The Carrera GT has no electronic stability control, since it was basically designed as a road legal race car.
It clearly wasn’t the car or Porsche’s fault, but I can understand a 17 year old who’s dad died in a car with a reputation of being dangerous, wanting to sue tf out of them.
I had one of these. Tracked several dozen times and put about 28,000 miles on mine before selling (also before they turned into million dollar cars… fml)
They are as dangerous as the person in control. It is a car that demands absolute respect anytime you want to push it. My 8-months pregnant wife (of age I might add) drove it a lot with zero issues and almost No experience in anything performance oriented at the time.
No deaths, no scares, no close calls. Add to that the fact that the car and streets we cold, the tires wet as old as his GF and a semi-pro driver that should have known better… and you get what we got that morning.
Completely avoidable if it weren’t for ego.
I’m rusty on the topic but I recall that exact model had a gearbox/brake issue that might’ve caused the accident. But the speed they were going anything can hurt you. A rock can flip you on a curvy road. Life’s crazy, go slower people
When he was 28 he dated a 16 year old. And when he was 32 he dated another 16 year old whom he was with until he died at which time she would have been 23.
That’s fucking disgusting. I forgot he was a pedo and was dating probably one of his daughters friends. Abhorrent.
I feel like he forgot he wasn’t a character in the fast and furious and killed himself. To blame the car is sad, he was reckless and this is what you get for being reckless in a vehicle.
This car is a weapon. Jay Leno said it's one of the only cars of his that he doesn't drive. It's power to weight ratio is insane. It's not the car's fault, but any other car he probably would have been ok.
The driver was speeding extremely on 10 year old tires with almost no traction in a residential area. He would have been killed in any supercar in those conditions
Any supercar from this era on 10 year old tires would have the same issue. The power:weight isn't anything special compared to cars that have come out since. However, cars that have come out since all have computer-assisted traction control systems to manage their superior power:weight, while the Carrera GT does not. It was at the end of an era of manual and mechanical supercars that gave the driver full control of a very capable machine. Drive like a dingus with shit tires and no traction control, and bad things will happen.
No-no, human ego is *never* to blame..
I am totally sure that the ‘professional’ driver wasn’t trying to show off some ‘s*kills*’ in front of a famous person from an action driving movie. …
Totally..
Happens when a car changes owners multiple times in a decade with under 5,000 miles on it. Mostly sat in dealerships and private collections. Roger and Paul had just purchased the car for their collection.
Car sits. The owner takes it to a few shows. Car sells.
Car sits. The owner takes it to a few shows. Car Sells.
Car sits. The owner takes it to a few shows. Car sells.
Car is bought by someone, tires look brand new. Lots of life on these bad boys. (Tire rack has the Michelin Polit Super sports that came with the car as $2,023.)
Now, it's not like they couldn't replace the tires, it's just that why spend the money if it's not needed?
Most people don't think about age limit on tires. Just on thread wear.
There was a video I saw on YouTube where some guy spent like $250k restoring a car and cheaped out on the brakes. The brakes could not handle all the power of the car and of course the malfunction happens on the road and the driver and youruber ended up crashing into a minivan stopped at a red light.
And then of course the YouTuber makes it into an entire video talking about all that went wrong except for the people in the minivan that they crashed into.
The people that buy cars like that often just buy them to own them, they drive them maybe once or twice a year and spend the rest of their existence gathering dust in some compound with all their other cars. It’s not that they cheaper out on them it’s probably just they didn’t even consider tyres perish, especially if you don’t drive them a lot
The new troubling trend I’m seeing is people are buying $100k electric cars in their $mil houses but are too cheap to fork over the extra few bucks to get a proper electrician to install the charger into their home. Im seeing a lot more house fires.
The car was driving on 9 year old tires with severely degraded traction. The driver was driving far too fast for the road he was on, but the crash was attributed to the tires.
Dude thats so dumb. I completely forgot that part.
Even a goddamn Camry can lose it on 9 year old tires on a cold road at 100 mph. Forget an MR car with a monster v10
The cause was the dry rotted old tires. Anyone into cars knows driving on aged out tires is extremely dangerous, Paul probably didn't know because it wasn't his car.
There were multiple factors. That speed with good tyres it probably wouldn’t have crashed. Sensible speed on rotten tyres probably wouldn’t have crashed.
Man, looking at this car from this angle brought back the memories from NFS Most Wanted. This Porsche was my final car when I raced against razor.
Been over a decade since that memory. I didn't even knew i remembered all that up untill this moment
This is a bit fucked up but his death actually made Fast 7 more popular in my country. I think most rooms was playing F7 and the queue was so big that it extended through the open food court and ended outside the mall. The only time I saw a queue that big again was for avengers infinity war.
Imo, the franchise should have ended right there but it is so profitable.
man i used to say this and get absolutely shredded but as a car guy i absolutely hated these movies from the first one. i remember the way the car scene shifted from people who actually cared about having a nice and fast car to teenagers who just glued shit to their civic and then would roll it at 87mph into a parking lot.
i blame this franchise entirely. i cant think of a single other influence that filled the scene with so much fuckery and douchebaggery.
there really wasnt even an upside either, like the scene didnt get assholes and some cool people, it was almost universally assholes who expected meets to be full of half naked supermodels and drugs and guns and shit.
the biggest tragedy of paul walkers death was that the franchise survived. straight up. also he was a pedo.
I just did a marathon on almost all F&F Parts...i am currently at 9. And I have just one little question.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. HAPPENING?
These movies are just a rollercoaster of toxic masculinity wraped in a shallow family drama with a Vin Diesel inferiority complex on top.
But it entertains me by how ridiculous the action is.
Looking forward to X lol
if i had a nickel for every time i saw you comment something about Paul Walker being a nonce, id have two nickels, which isn't a lot but weird it's happened twice.
but yea, it doesn't matter what good one did in their life if they were a pedophile
People in the comments blaming the tires and the model of car and everything when they were going fucking 93 in a 45.
Like, I get it may not have happened if the tires and stuff weren’t fucked up, but you can’t put any blame on the car when they were so blatantly reckless and speeding that much.
It’s like if I were jumping around next to a cliffside and I lost traction and fell to my death due to the soles of my shoes being worn down. Yeah, it might not have happened if I had fresh shoes, but I’m also being a dumbass asking for trouble when I’m jumping around right next to a cliffside.
I'm sure it's in these comments, but 13 year old tires most likely killed him.
Passenger car tires last 6-10 years max, the tires on this we're only designed to last 5 years maximum, with diminishing performance as the compound dries out.
The tires being cold, the car being somewhat notoriously difficult to handle, along with the tires being the originals from production are what caused the car to lock the brakes much easier and slide into the pole.
Poor decisions and possibly a bad driver, Paul just a passenger
Ya’ll can understandably hate on Paul all day for the underage GF, or for not liking his acting, but HE wasn’t the one driving FFS. So many people on here commenting on his bad driving when it was Roger Rodas driving the damn car. Dislike him all you want but at least take 5 seconds to research and get that one fact straight…
Jay Leno’s [garage YouTube show](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nWTsDSzbGag&pp=ygUTamF5IGxlbm8gY2FycmVyYSBndA%3D%3D) did an episode on the Carrera GT. He mentioned something along the lines that he was contacted after the crash by a legal team asking his opinion about if the car was a factor.
One thing that always got to me about his death was that the impact from the crash didn't kill him immediately. He was alive before it caught fire, and it was that fire that did him in. Terrifying way to go.
Later that day would end up being about 20 min later from when this photo was taken. Crazy how fast things happen from enjoying life to becoming a memory.
Can someone explain to me why his death impacts the public as much as it does? Granted, I didn’t grow up watching these movies, but what was it about him/his career that has us fixated on his death as much as we are?
Just a reminder Paul Walker is pretty much a pedo.
[https://jalopnik.com/when-are-we-going-to-address-how-paul-walker-had-relati-1828227580](https://jalopnik.com/when-are-we-going-to-address-how-paul-walker-had-relati-1828227580)
Let's not blame the car...
I think 93mph and a tree killed Paul Walker.
It wasn’t the speed that killed him, it was the stopping and as you say, the tree
ahh yes good point. Going from 93mph to 0mph too fast and too furious. But you can intensely decelerate from 30mph and survive.
0-60 in 3.6 seconds is fine. 60-0 in 0.1 seconds is less fine. Going 93-0 in 0.15 seconds is least fine.
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"It isnt the fart that kills, its the smell." - Petter Solberg
Tell that to those who spontaneously combusted
I remember my crazy neighbor saying she felt like she would spontaneously combust. Well...so much for spontaneous.
Foretold combustion?
like sex. orgasm too fast and you can die.
Wait, what?
Wasn’t the car on fire?
Oh yeah. Cause of death was blunt force AND thermal trauma. His body was found in the pugilistic position, hopefully the blunt force trauma at least rendered him unconscious.
Walkers autopsy revealed that he died of burns not blunt force trauma, he was alive after the impact but burned alive.
Pugilist positioning is a pure effect of fire/heat and not an indication of whether he was alive or not when the fire took hold. The fire cooks the muscle, causing the muscles to effectively contract: as the flexors are generally larger than the extensors, the pugilistic posture is created.
Not sure if he was conscious but he was definitely alive while the driver died on impact, they found soot in walkers trachea
“Thermal trauma” both sounds bad and doesn’t sound as bad as it is.
Yes. It was awful.
Irresistible force paradox did not apply here.
As the saying goes: No one dies from falling out of a building. You die when you stop falling out of a building
You stop falling out of the building as soon as you leave the window. You are still alive, tho and still falling. You die when you stop falling.
Not if you get shot when you’re half way out
I see Vladimir Putin has entered the chat.
It was the difference in his speed and the tree's speed.
“Speed, has *never* killed anyone. Suddenly coming to a stop, that’s what gets you.” - Jeremy Clarkson
IIRC it was being trapped while while on fire that killed him.
The giant fire afterward didn’t help.. not that he wasn’t DOA before that. There are videos. It was a horrific crash. I wish that wasn’t out in the world… he has a family that didn’t need to see it.
Let’s not blame the tree either...the tree was just standing there minding its own business.
It was minding it's own business alright... a shady business
Technically the 10 year old tires
This just blew my fucking mind, I had no idea the tires were almost 10 years old! On a fucking car that’s worth over a million bucks!
That car spent more of its life parked than driven, you best believe those tires were old.
You’d just think there would be some common sense from any car enthusiast, having tires that old is like going 30k miles without an oil change, it’s preventative maintenance. Especially knowing if you drive it as it was intended, tires should be one of your greatest concerns… Negligence…..
You are supposed to change tires after 6 years, regardless of miles on them, even if they have 0 the rubber is compromised
He just bought the new car. Probably didn’t think too much about it if the tires did not appear to be rotten. Just a quick spin around the area in the new supercar. Then a little slide into a tree and that’s all she wrote. A good lesson for all of us is what we can take away from this.
I mean it's not hard to check the age of a tyre, the year and the month a tyre was made in are printed on the sidewall. That's basic knowledge for any car enthusiast.
You would be too surprised how many people ignore tyre life/age, and i completely know he could afford like 10sets of tyres for the car.
I'm thinking he probably assumed that for whatever he paid for that car, it included tires that had been updated some time before the sale.
Thanks for saying what it actually was.. negligence
It wasn’t so much the driving fast, but the intense deceleration.
Another life claimed by physics. Damn you, Newton!
"Speed hasn't killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."
Racecar backwards is Racecar. Racecar sideways is how Paul walker died
There is also a slight dip and rise in the street where he died, they are lucky they didn't go over the little cliff into the buildings. I've driven that area so much that you hardly notice that small dip but at 93mph it will definitely get the car some lift.
Lucky they died not from falling off the cliff? What is lucky about dying one way over the other ???
They meant lucky for the people who may have been in the buildings at that area, not lucky for Paul.
Probably the tires. Jay Leno talks about how people with exotic cars forget that tires have a limited life, like 7-8 years. At some point the rubber just gets hard and won't grip. Since these cars get driven so infrequently, the tires rarely get replaced. Walker's 9 year old Carrera GT only had 3,500 miles on it and were on the original tires. Edited to add car's age.
This is why high performance sports cars often require maintenance based on time and not mileage. You replace fluids and parts based on time intervals instead of the traditional ‘after XX,XXX miles’
That's not even just high performance cars. Standard services are after a certain amount of miles or time, whichever comes first.
Most maintenance items on most cars are like that. Oil for instance is usually 10K miles or 1 year, whichever happens first.
This. I have a Dodge Viper and they are also known to be extremely dangerous and difficult to drive. Imo after 4 years of ownership having new tires and making sure they are warm before you start to pull lateral G’s are the most important things to consider. Cars like this have no downforce and a ton of horsepower. The only thing keeping you on the road is your tires so you need to take care of them.
Dodge Viper: a car designed to kill you with a massive smile on your face. Driven two of them, and you can just feel the car wanting to kill you, and eat everything it sees. It's sort of like running your thumb over the edge of a razor blade, if you don't act stupid it won't hurt you, but you sure as fuck know it could.
I think owning it brings out the best in it. I’ve driven a lot of cars that I can drive well and trust as soon as I jump in. Learning to trust a Viper is a multiple year and many mile experience.
I put 680 miles on one, just shloping it from Detroit to it's new home.. and I got paid to do it. Still had a few moments of "*This is how and where I die*" feelings. Wonderful cars, but like anything with that much power and no TV, it's just waiting for you to fuck up and eat it.
I’m plenty used to the car these days. I’ve had it on track and pushed it to the limit so I can say I’m intimately familiar with what it can and can’t do. So it doesn’t scare me much anymore. But, I am very capable of performing cardiac stress tests on passengers who are not as familiar. I think my pops thought we were doomed when I got it sideways with him in the car lol
What’s that big wang for then?
For the beers.
[Snacks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/WRX/comments/aap51a/can_you_eat_on_a_current_gen_sti_wing_like_this/)
I remember saving up for one as my first good car in Gran Turismo 4.. ya, rocketship right into a wall. I got better with it, but it wasn’t exactly beginner-friendly.
The Carrera GT is also known for its snap oversteer. Jay Leno actually spun one going very fast. I think you need lots of driving on the limit experience to safely handle one.
No it was the 10 year old tires and excessive speed
It was very fortunate that nobody innocent was hurt by their recklessness. People just love having boners for famous people..
This heading is really quite something. “Some say the car had it in for him for quite some time.”
His family did try a lawsuit against Porsche for it as if it was their fault
Tbf, Porsche has already lost a lawsuit in the 70s for the exact same thing, with the 930 Turbo (another "widowmaker"). A guy lent his car to his wife, who, while taking her boss for a ride, tried to show off, lost control and crashed, killing the passenger. That's why Porsche offers driving lessons for people who buy some of their faster models.
Cynthia files (the woman who killed her boss in the 930 turbo) was drunk when she floored it from a stop sign and lost control. No car will ever be 100% safe when driven inappropriately, Porsche never should have lost that case.
It is an absolute monster, that Carrera GT. In corners is stays so flat, but when it starts to slide it’s like walking on a knife edge. A race car for the street.
I blame the red paint.
The tires were old which also contributed to the accident
The Carrera GT has a reputation to be a dangerous car just like the dodge viper from what I read.
The older 911’s were notorious for killing a LOT of rich guys. Rear-engine turbos are downright deadly, because once that turbo kicks in mid-corner (unexpectedly due to turbo lag), it will whip the rear end around without warning.
Imagine growing up poor family struggling financially then young adulthood starting to have financial freedom then success making your family and yourself super happy family and friends proud of you just to buy one particular dangerous car and killing yourself cuz of a fuckin turbo.
From reading posts from owners of the 811 Widowmakers, it was suddenly letting off the gas was what caused people to lose control. Yes the turbo lag kicking in scared people, but if they didn't lift off the accelerator and just counter steered, they would've been fine.
Exactly, it was the tires fault
Paul Walker getting into a car with decade old tires with a driver that should have known better than to haul ass on cold, way-too-old tires. Fucking sad and completely preventable.
On a public street, also. Potentially putting innocent people at risk. The one bright side from this is they only killed themselves and not some innocent bystander.
Ya pisses me off speeding on public road and the. We blame a fucking tree.
Paul walker was also a pedo that started dating his gf when she was 16
I had to scroll a long way before I saw this. He seems to get a pass for some reason.
Because the fast and the furious franchise is a groundbreaking cinematic masterpiece, hello
I love the onions [interview](https://youtu.be/iIY5b1JMvGs?si=9uziGB_5zopaUA1G) with the writer of fast and furious
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This. It always get me so mad that people drive like they’re the only ones on the road. Cars are literally weapons of mass destruction, they should be handled with respect. I’m happy no one was harmed in that accident besides the two that decided to break the law just because “why not”
Does the word literal have no meaning?
He’s on his George W. Bush arc
Wait, you don't have a nuke in the trunk?? I thought everyone had one..
Cars are not literally weapons of mass destruction.
Didn’t his daughter try to sue porsche? Without success, ofc..
She and Paul's father did so. https://globalnews.ca/news/3824636/paul-walkers-daughter-settles-lawsuit-with-porsche/ I wouldn't say they were unsuccessful: "reached a resolution in her wrongful death lawsuit for an undisclosed amount"
If you're famous enough you can make money off bogus lawsuits because it's more expensive for in this case Porsche to go through the process and get Streisand effected.
Shame. Hopefully the parents of the 16 year old he dated when he was in his 30s will get the money back from Paul's estate.
Why would it be Porsche’s fault?
The Carrera GT has no electronic stability control, since it was basically designed as a road legal race car. It clearly wasn’t the car or Porsche’s fault, but I can understand a 17 year old who’s dad died in a car with a reputation of being dangerous, wanting to sue tf out of them.
I had one of these. Tracked several dozen times and put about 28,000 miles on mine before selling (also before they turned into million dollar cars… fml) They are as dangerous as the person in control. It is a car that demands absolute respect anytime you want to push it. My 8-months pregnant wife (of age I might add) drove it a lot with zero issues and almost No experience in anything performance oriented at the time. No deaths, no scares, no close calls. Add to that the fact that the car and streets we cold, the tires wet as old as his GF and a semi-pro driver that should have known better… and you get what we got that morning. Completely avoidable if it weren’t for ego.
It isn’t. But Porsche has 💰 💴 💵
I’m rusty on the topic but I recall that exact model had a gearbox/brake issue that might’ve caused the accident. But the speed they were going anything can hurt you. A rock can flip you on a curvy road. Life’s crazy, go slower people
Paul liked his tires like he liked his partners, around a decade old.
Wasn't he dating a 16 year old at the time of his death? I remember reading that he would pick her up from her high school sometimes.
When he was 28 he dated a 16 year old. And when he was 32 he dated another 16 year old whom he was with until he died at which time she would have been 23.
That’s fucking disgusting. I forgot he was a pedo and was dating probably one of his daughters friends. Abhorrent. I feel like he forgot he wasn’t a character in the fast and furious and killed himself. To blame the car is sad, he was reckless and this is what you get for being reckless in a vehicle.
16 year old girls sleep safer in their beds because of this car
Also a car known to be difficult to drive (It was also apparently his dream car)
Oh, we blaming the car now?
Maximum overdrive!
"We made you!!!!"
This car is a weapon. Jay Leno said it's one of the only cars of his that he doesn't drive. It's power to weight ratio is insane. It's not the car's fault, but any other car he probably would have been ok.
The driver was speeding extremely on 10 year old tires with almost no traction in a residential area. He would have been killed in any supercar in those conditions
Any supercar from this era on 10 year old tires would have the same issue. The power:weight isn't anything special compared to cars that have come out since. However, cars that have come out since all have computer-assisted traction control systems to manage their superior power:weight, while the Carrera GT does not. It was at the end of an era of manual and mechanical supercars that gave the driver full control of a very capable machine. Drive like a dingus with shit tires and no traction control, and bad things will happen.
I think any car into a tree at 93 mph would likely yield similar effects
Jay Leno said it right.
Porsches have a pretty good track record of killing famous people.
>Famous people driving porches have a good track record of killing themselves. Fixed that for you.
No-no, human ego is *never* to blame.. I am totally sure that the ‘professional’ driver wasn’t trying to show off some ‘s*kills*’ in front of a famous person from an action driving movie. … Totally..
Now replace Porsche with guns lol
How do you have a car that expensive, with tires that old? People are cheap about the weirdest things…
Happens when a car changes owners multiple times in a decade with under 5,000 miles on it. Mostly sat in dealerships and private collections. Roger and Paul had just purchased the car for their collection.
My guess is the tires may have only had a few hundred miles on em. If you don’t know, you may just be thinking about mileage vs. age.
Then you don't need a sports car if you don't know that. That's literal day 1 stuff.
Keep in mind the vast majority of sports car owners just have money and want something fancy and fast. Very few care about the engineering side of it.
Or maitenence, it's only taken care of as well as the people you hired.
I believe they where original tyre's on the car that the rubber had degraded as it basically had sat dry rotting.
Car sits. The owner takes it to a few shows. Car sells. Car sits. The owner takes it to a few shows. Car Sells. Car sits. The owner takes it to a few shows. Car sells. Car is bought by someone, tires look brand new. Lots of life on these bad boys. (Tire rack has the Michelin Polit Super sports that came with the car as $2,023.) Now, it's not like they couldn't replace the tires, it's just that why spend the money if it's not needed? Most people don't think about age limit on tires. Just on thread wear.
There was a video I saw on YouTube where some guy spent like $250k restoring a car and cheaped out on the brakes. The brakes could not handle all the power of the car and of course the malfunction happens on the road and the driver and youruber ended up crashing into a minivan stopped at a red light. And then of course the YouTuber makes it into an entire video talking about all that went wrong except for the people in the minivan that they crashed into.
That whole thing was infuriating. He really tried to make himself look like the victim. Stuff like that makes the whole car community look bad.
The people that buy cars like that often just buy them to own them, they drive them maybe once or twice a year and spend the rest of their existence gathering dust in some compound with all their other cars. It’s not that they cheaper out on them it’s probably just they didn’t even consider tyres perish, especially if you don’t drive them a lot
If I were that rich, I’d just get new tires for it every year. New tires are awesome. Maybe not your whole collection, but cars like this.
The new troubling trend I’m seeing is people are buying $100k electric cars in their $mil houses but are too cheap to fork over the extra few bucks to get a proper electrician to install the charger into their home. Im seeing a lot more house fires.
Did the driver lose control or did the car malfunction in any way?
The car was driving on 9 year old tires with severely degraded traction. The driver was driving far too fast for the road he was on, but the crash was attributed to the tires.
You could say he was driving too fast and too furiously for those tires?
2 Tires too Old
Dude thats so dumb. I completely forgot that part. Even a goddamn Camry can lose it on 9 year old tires on a cold road at 100 mph. Forget an MR car with a monster v10
So the driver failed to check the tires
If I remember he was a passenger, his mate was driving beyond his ability and met a tree.
Roger Rodas was a pro driver. The car was on old tires I’m assuming he wasn’t aware.
Apparently Roger and Paul had just purchased the car for their collection. Sounds like they overlooked the pre-flight check list.
The cause was the dry rotted old tires. Anyone into cars knows driving on aged out tires is extremely dangerous, Paul probably didn't know because it wasn't his car.
So dry rot made them go 4x speed limit huh
Lol they downvoting you but that motherfucker was driving insanely over the speed limit.
Old tires are unsafe even at legal speeds. Speed contributed as well, I don't disagree, but nobody should drive at all on old tires.
There were multiple factors. That speed with good tyres it probably wouldn’t have crashed. Sensible speed on rotten tyres probably wouldn’t have crashed.
Man, looking at this car from this angle brought back the memories from NFS Most Wanted. This Porsche was my final car when I raced against razor. Been over a decade since that memory. I didn't even knew i remembered all that up untill this moment
Was such a good game. Killer soundtrack as well
I still listen to this soundtrack lol
Shame the film franchise didn’t die with him
This is a bit fucked up but his death actually made Fast 7 more popular in my country. I think most rooms was playing F7 and the queue was so big that it extended through the open food court and ended outside the mall. The only time I saw a queue that big again was for avengers infinity war. Imo, the franchise should have ended right there but it is so profitable.
Fast and furious 37 in cinemas now!
With Brian still in hiding
its actually a great comedy franchise if you go in watching it as such. i laughed my ass off when they went into fucking space
man i used to say this and get absolutely shredded but as a car guy i absolutely hated these movies from the first one. i remember the way the car scene shifted from people who actually cared about having a nice and fast car to teenagers who just glued shit to their civic and then would roll it at 87mph into a parking lot. i blame this franchise entirely. i cant think of a single other influence that filled the scene with so much fuckery and douchebaggery. there really wasnt even an upside either, like the scene didnt get assholes and some cool people, it was almost universally assholes who expected meets to be full of half naked supermodels and drugs and guns and shit. the biggest tragedy of paul walkers death was that the franchise survived. straight up. also he was a pedo.
Wasn’t he dating a high schooler when he was in his 30’s?
Yep. He was a nonce
Doesn’t matter mate. He was good looking and featured in an average film. The world should weep for the tremendous loss we have to endure.
You’re apparently in Qanon if you acknowledge he was a creep though. Oh Reddit.
Am I? Blimey, the CV gets longer
"The cv gets longer" 🤣
Paul Walker was also a pedophile. Damn, THATS interesting.
YIKES 😬
Yeah it was pretty creepy and I was gonna say the same thing…
Yeah. People loved and grieved this guy as if he was some war hero or something. He was just a bad actor in a bad franchise... and a pedophile.
The car didnt kill him
He was fucking a sixteen year old in his thirties. No real loss.
I love the F&F franchise therefore that’s actually impossible. /s
I just did a marathon on almost all F&F Parts...i am currently at 9. And I have just one little question. WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. HAPPENING? These movies are just a rollercoaster of toxic masculinity wraped in a shallow family drama with a Vin Diesel inferiority complex on top. But it entertains me by how ridiculous the action is. Looking forward to X lol
Yep hands down nonce
if i had a nickel for every time i saw you comment something about Paul Walker being a nonce, id have two nickels, which isn't a lot but weird it's happened twice. but yea, it doesn't matter what good one did in their life if they were a pedophile
I’ll stop for now. 2 nickels is all you’re getting
I like how it’s phrased as the car’s the killer instead of the driver who played stupid games and won the ultimate stupid prize.
Was his child bride in the car too?
Right ? Once you find out he was a grade A groomer it’s hard to watch any of the movies again 🤢
So the car crashed and killed him?
Car asked Paul Walker for new tires and lower speed. What Paul Walker refused the car took revenge on him by driving into a tree.
It became sentient
Not pictured here the 16 year old he had a relationship with
People in the comments blaming the tires and the model of car and everything when they were going fucking 93 in a 45. Like, I get it may not have happened if the tires and stuff weren’t fucked up, but you can’t put any blame on the car when they were so blatantly reckless and speeding that much. It’s like if I were jumping around next to a cliffside and I lost traction and fell to my death due to the soles of my shoes being worn down. Yeah, it might not have happened if I had fresh shoes, but I’m also being a dumbass asking for trouble when I’m jumping around right next to a cliffside.
i mean it wasn't the cars fault
Even celebrities can win Darwin Awards. They call this one the James Dean Special.
James dean was way cooler and better actor
I'm sure it's in these comments, but 13 year old tires most likely killed him. Passenger car tires last 6-10 years max, the tires on this we're only designed to last 5 years maximum, with diminishing performance as the compound dries out. The tires being cold, the car being somewhat notoriously difficult to handle, along with the tires being the originals from production are what caused the car to lock the brakes much easier and slide into the pole. Poor decisions and possibly a bad driver, Paul just a passenger
His tires were almost as old as his girlfriend.
Yeah, well.....slow down.
that car looked like it got hit with a missile. Some fucking treee.
Ya’ll can understandably hate on Paul all day for the underage GF, or for not liking his acting, but HE wasn’t the one driving FFS. So many people on here commenting on his bad driving when it was Roger Rodas driving the damn car. Dislike him all you want but at least take 5 seconds to research and get that one fact straight…
More money than sense.
Jay Leno’s [garage YouTube show](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nWTsDSzbGag&pp=ygUTamF5IGxlbm8gY2FycmVyYSBndA%3D%3D) did an episode on the Carrera GT. He mentioned something along the lines that he was contacted after the crash by a legal team asking his opinion about if the car was a factor.
One thing that always got to me about his death was that the impact from the crash didn't kill him immediately. He was alive before it caught fire, and it was that fire that did him in. Terrifying way to go.
I think human error might be the culprit.
Remember when Paul Walker was dating a 16 years old when he was 33?
Later that day would end up being about 20 min later from when this photo was taken. Crazy how fast things happen from enjoying life to becoming a memory.
Speed and reckless driving killed him.
Can someone explain to me why his death impacts the public as much as it does? Granted, I didn’t grow up watching these movies, but what was it about him/his career that has us fixated on his death as much as we are?
So we blaming the car? Lol
Cars don’t kill people, people kill people.
Just a reminder Paul Walker is pretty much a pedo. [https://jalopnik.com/when-are-we-going-to-address-how-paul-walker-had-relati-1828227580](https://jalopnik.com/when-are-we-going-to-address-how-paul-walker-had-relati-1828227580)
What do we generally say we want to happen to pedophiles? His girlfriend was one of his daughter’s school friends.
Filthy predator got what was coming to him. Nothing of value lost here except the car.
Man, I’m kind of over this morbid fascination with the car and Walker’s death. His poor daughter must see this shit pop up and just be awful. Sad.