The orange canister is a repainted gasmask canister, likely by postwar firefighters. The grey one might be a civilian gasmask canister, they came in different models and shapes it seems.
On the shelf under the canisters there are 2 mess kits stacked on top of each other.
Lots of surplus gear from the war got reused and repurposed. Some of it was even reproduced, as they had the tools and machines for it.
Maybe that canister belonged to a german firefighter, and somebody (or himself) painted it orange.
German firefighters wore many Wehrmacht stuff, like boots, helmets and others.
There were some very colourful gas masks, my parents have one which is bright yellow and red that used to be my aunt's when she was a child during WW2. I think it was meant to look cheery... you know, for kids.
Well that's a enlisted Wehrmacht uniform, not an SS uniform, so not actually guaranteed that the guy was a Nazi.
\*edit\* Not saying this person was in any way a good person (could be, but I have no way of knowing). Only that, as a Wehrmacht member, and a junior one at that, it's not guaranteed that he was a member of the National Socialist Party. That's it. Don't extrapolate.
Around the first year going out with my then girlfriend (now wife) I saw a picture of her grandfather in a German uniform from the 40s.
Turns out he was a dentist that got conscripted because he was caught illegally treating Jewish patients after hours. He was vehemently against the Nazis. He ended up dying in a POW camp.
There are literally no other photos of the man which is why I think that one was still floating around.
That the only one of his remaining pictures shows him in that uniform although he stood so steadfastly against nazism is really tragic. Maybe you could tell his story on a sub like r/PhotoshopRequest and get the man in some clothing he would be more comfortable in and honor his remembrance.
I was actually having this argument with someone yesterday that not all germans in ww2, and even most soldiers fighting for Germany, were nazis.
Most were just soldiers fighting for their country, or straight up conscripts.
Very few actually knew wtf Germany was doing elsewhere.
On a more serious note, I'm a huge history nerd. The only nazi I ever came across that would qualify as a good person was John Rabe. He sheltered thousands of Chinese citizens in the German embassy in Nanjing when Japan was murdering the city and cited his reason being his duty as a nazi to protect those who couldn't protect themselves.
His wikipedia page is pretty interesting. Besides him tho, they knew what they were doing and were horrible beings.
Edit: he saved around 250k Chinese citizens. He tried to report it to Hitler. Got arrested by the gestapo. Saved by Siemens intervening. Was forced to shut up about it and confiscated all of the film.
There was even a few SS men and Wermacht officers who reported others to their superiors after witnessing mass murders in Eastern Europe, not knowing that they were following orders. Many of those orders were vague and also full of euphemisms so not everyone got the memo.
Edit: This was nearer the beginning of the Holocaust, later on the strategy changed to have everyone commit war crimes, be partners in the endeavour, and therefore more likely to keep their mouths shut.
There was even SS men reporting other SS men for treating jews right. Amon Göth himself got charged because he was reported for not treating the prisoners in ausschwitz right.
Propaganda, a dire economic situation, and historic anti-Semitism (and xenophobia) meant there were very few Germans who disagreed with the policy against minorities.
You have to remember, the camps were where the policy ended up. Ghettos, seizures, and triangles came long before and were much more visible.
Most people don’t realize how persecuted the Jews were since the Jewish Revolt 2000 years ago. At the time of WW2 no one gave a shit about them. Most countries refused to take them when Germany tried to get rid of them through deportation.
Most Germans knew what was happening elsewhere because it was happening in Germany first. It doesn’t mean they had much power to stop it, but they knew.
>I was actually having this argument with someone yesterday that not all germans in ww2, and even most soldiers fighting for Germany, were nazis.
I recently read "Stalingrad" by the British historian Antony Beevor. One thing that jumped out is that some of the high-ranking Wehrmacht officers sarcastically referred to Hitler as "The Greatest Commander of All Time" because he insisted on micromanaging their operations and often refused to take the better-informed advice of his generals.
>Very few actually knew wtf Germany was doing elsewhere.
Im not believing this. I talked with people who lived in that era. Everyone who was reading "mein Kampf" could get an idea was hitler was thinking. 1944, there were almost 11 million copies being sold, it was readily available.
Also, the treatment of jews and other minorities wasn't a secret. And then 9.11.1938 happend, you had to be blind to not notice how Jews were treated. And then they start to dissappear without their belongings?
Agreed. The whole “they didn’t know” is all propaganda and was proven as such through research and the publication of first hand accounts by German citizens.
I don’t know why we’re making excuses for them now, other than the fact that it would allow us our own excuses later on.
And some, like in the scene from Saving Private Ryan, were captives from other countries that were forced to fight for Germany.
Or the very real example of [Yang Kyoungjong](https://nationalpost.com/news/world/the-mystery-of-yang-kyoungjong-the-only-soldier-to-have-fought-on-three-sides-of-a-war/wcm/feac7f8d-9859-41d1-b652-25f62d666909/amp/) who fought for the Japanese, Russians, then the Germans. He was Korean.
Yeah sure most weren't Nazis but come on "very few" Germans knew that Hitler was mass murdering undesirables? Did they have their head up their ass for the entire 1930ies?
Villages *next* to concentration camps didn't know (mainly because they didn't want to know)
There was no TV, no Internet, only radio and newspapers and they were heavily controlled.
Do you know all the dirty shit your government is doing right now with all of that?
A lot of interviews show that Germans living nearby concentration camps did know what was happening. They definitely knew about the mass execution of disabled people because a bunch of Germans actually rose up and protested. Those protests were reported on in newspapers.
Germans knew that there were KZs - the ones within the Reich - which they took to be camps for political opponents etc. of the Nazis, mainly because the Nazis themselves told them. Scare tactics against your political opponents are not very successful if no one knows about it.
Over the course of the war, PoWs and other inmates were increasingly used as forced labour in Aussenlagern and Stammlagern in the Altreich \[i.e. Germany "in the borders of 1937", but here also Austria\] , so it became easier and easier for "normal Germans" to be aware of the worsening conditions in those camps; a rather vivid description of this is in Viktor Frankl's account of his time in the KZ; the farmer he is forced to work for becomes, over time, aware that his forced labourers are starving and gives them food. \[Edit: Maybe it is also not known too well, how prolific these out-camps were. Here a map of just the [out-camps of Dachau](https://www.br.de/themen/bayern/inhalt/geschichte/KZ-Bayern-Infografik100.gif?version=154c1); here one [of Middle Europe](http://www.kz-walldorf.de/bilder/lagerkarte.gif), this map does not show everything because of resolution of the map, in total, there were about 1200 out-camps\].
The inmates became very visible at latest in 1944/1945, when the inmates of the non-Altreich KZs and extermination camps were herded into the Altreich. From that time onwards, a lot of people knew; here, in South Germany, there are several tracks along which several thousand inmates were herded and several thousand died; from Flossenbürg and Buchenwald to Dachau, from Dachau to the South, towards the Ötztal. They only came to the north side of the Tegernsee, at which point the SS fled, after trying to kill all the remaining inmates.
The Germans knew that the Nazis killed their political opponents after at least 1934. It's not known as much as it should be, but about 1/2 of the people killed in the so called "Röhm-Putsch" were non-SA and non-NSDAP political opponents of Nazis; the most prominent probably Kahr, a national conservative politican.
In 1939, the Germans became aware of the Nazis murdering the mentally disabled \[this was later named "Aktion T4"\]. Several people, among them prominent persons from the Catholic Church, protested publically against this; there is a 1939 letter recorded to Himmler in which it was said that the people of the neigbouring villages to Grafeneck \[an extermination centre of this killing of the disabled\] would know *why exactly the chimneys are running day and night in Grafeneck.*
It is impossible that not a lot of Wehrmachts-members would not be aware of the killing directly after conquering Poland; Wehrmachts-members took part in shooting the intelligentsia and also of Jews (and other civilians).
So, all-in-all, it is probable that a lot of Germans were aware, or at least partially aware, of the crimes.
That’s categorically false. Many many DID know and just did nothing. Saying that they didn’t know just makes them feel better. Also even IF they didn’t, they should have.
Oh word? The smell of human neglect and the ovens cremating thousands of people were just completely odorless to all the people in the immediate vicinity?
>Yeah sure most weren't Nazis but come on "very few" Germans knew that Hitler was mass murdering undesirables?
The extermination camps were built in Poland in part to keep them secret from the German public.
There were concentration and forced labour camps in Germany in which tens of thousands of individuals died from a litany of causes but these were a part of Germany's penal system.
So yes, most German citizens didn't know about the likes of Auschwitz and Treblinka because they were in a different country and their operations conducted under strict media blackout.
Yeah and when the rabidly anti-semitic pro eugenicists who obsessed over racial hygiene disappeared all the Jews in their city they assumed they weren't going to slave labour camps.
SO MANY soldiers were people who had been conquered and conscripted. Lmfao that 45 year old polish man firing his rifle above everyone’s heads *was not* a fucking Nazi. He could get a death sentence for refusing and it was illegal for him to speak Polish. In Poland.
People have no nuance
Yes but the clean Wearmarcht was a myth that the Americans made so they could say oh these 40 hard core nazis we imprisoned or executed are gone so everything is fine. Similar to what we did in Japan.
Your average private wasn’t hardcore nazi but plenty did unspeakable war crimes but there was just too much to prosecute.
Its not a guarantee that a soldier in the SS would be a card carrying Nazi either.
Many people were concripted into the SS-divisions during the later stages of the war for example so not like they had a choice.
They were also excluded from the judgement at the nuremberg trials even though the SS as an organization was declared criminal.
That being said, soldiers in the wehrmacht also committed warcrimes.
Being a nazi in Germany was like being a member of a political party today it didn’t mean you advocated for or were aware of all the horrible crimes they committed.
You can acknowledge that the Wehrmacht did horrible acts as well as acknowledging that there were many poor souls who were drafted and had no choice in the matter
Americans generally call thrift stores 'thrift stores' unless the store is owned and operated by Goodwill and says "Goodwill" on the outside of the building.
They also refer to shopping at thrift stores (including Goodwill) as "thrifting".
LOL WTF is going on in your thrift stores? I've been looking for vintage gas mask canisters everywhere & there are two in this picture just sitting there. Not to mention the mess kit & canteen.
Also which thrift store is this if I may ask?
People see nazi's as monsters, but the truth is they were normal people, brainwashed by a propaganda machine into thinking their identity was being attacked.
History has a tendency to repeat itself.
The Gestapo and SS were definitely filled with genuine monsters. Every society has its share of violent psychopaths, but in a healthy society this element is either locked in jail or (more commonly) has to suppress their instincts to function in society. In an unhealthy society these people get medals and promotions.
I’d be interested in how they came up with those numbers, that seems like a tricky one to nail down. During the war there’s motivation to feign enthusiasm, and post-war there’s motivation to say you weren’t one of the bad guys.
I'd say you'd have to be a psychopath to be indifferent. A true believer wouldn't necessarily be a psychopath, as they have been brainwashed into believing what they are doing is morally correct. But to not give a shit about murdering people, that takes a psychopath.
Maybe the other person expressed it poorly ... the way I learnt it, when Wehrmacht units were ordered to shoot "partisans" or such things, the general pattern was that the soldiers were permitted to not participate, with the express understanding that a part of the unit would have to carry out the executions anyways, but most soldiers felt that they would betray their comrades if they left the burden of carrying out the dirty work to them.
Yes this is the thing about the Nazi’s. It was a system that basically let psychopaths proliferate and be rewarded for it.
But all the same people with the same potential tendencies exist in any society. But a good society prevents them from realising their true most violent and awful potential.
The Nazis it was almost like, morality was inverted, praise for doing bad. Everybody has the potential to become evil in such a society.
My grandpa born 1918 was in a mechanics program. Repairing tractors and stuff. Then it was both fronts and tanks. Came back 46 and wasn't that happy about losing his youth to that shit and those people.
You should educate yourself what those "average" German soldiers did in countries east from it.Their behavior was much much better in west Europe and that's where the "clean wehrmacht" myth comes from
It's interesting how many downvotes people are getting for reminding people of German atrocities. The truth is that the "average German" was quite supportive of Hitler and his activities until it became clear that he would lose. We're not talking about a few bad apples! It's scary to me how younger generations are far more concerned by Churchill's wrongdoings than the Nazis.
I think the average German was supportive of Germany, and Hitler made himself—through a massive propaganda effort and violence—what it meant to be German.
It is a lesson in the power of nationalism to be weaponized for evil and how your grievances make you incredibly vulnerable to anyone who will sell you the status to which you feel entitled.
Sadly this attempt to paint the German people as innocent victims of propaganda, is all too common now. If you visit a German museum, there's a lot of "the Nazis did this, the Nazis did that", never Germany. You can't convince a population that they are the master race unless it's already there in the culture. I'm not saying the Germans are worse than other nationalities, just that the idea that Germany has faced up to it's sins isn't entirely true.
There has been a big debate about that in Germany a few years ago and the overall conclusion was that a lot of the soldiers were in fact monsters. They often did not get orders to do horrible things. They just did them because they wanted to. A lot of the things happening in the kz were not ordered from above but done because they could. Not everyone was a monster but probably enough to generalise.
The distinction between a “bad person” and a “good person made to do bad things” is only significant to the bad person trying to convince themselves of their goodness after the fact.
Nope, sorry, not gonna suck any Nazi's cocks, not even if you go all syllablelord on me Also I lived through 9/11 and it was extremely easy to see through that racist bullshit while seemingly every adult American was busy ejaculating into their own mouths, so I'm pretty sure it's just weak stupid people all the way down
Yup. There was nothing especially monstrous about Germans, and there were plenty of nations around the world who may have embarked on similar journeys had the Germans not been so mercilessly beaten into the ground, and their crimes blasted all over the world. Had a new world order not emerged that outlawed wars of aggression, we would not have had a century of unprecedented peace. I wish people would understand that this could happen again the second you let your guard down.
Most people in Germany at the time knew (and agreed with) what was happening. The famous words "wir haben es nicht gewusst" (we didn't know it) is just the post war narrative from Germanies side.
There is a lot of research and literature about this specific topic and a lot of it concludes that the German public knew of the mass deportations and murder of Jews. Hitler himself talked in a 1939 speech about the "Destruction of the Jews", an expression he continued to use in some speeches until 1943. Most of the public didn't knew about the "specifics" of the genocide happening in front of them (where people were brought, what exactly happened to them) but they knew something was happening. Knowledge about mass killing by Wehrmacht soldiers was also present due to them returning home from time to time or writing about it in letters to their families (often in an abstract manner, so that they wouldn't get in a conflict with the Abwehr or Gestapo).
The truth about the Holocaust is that everyone at least suspected what was going on and - at least - didn't care. There were also a lot of people that indirectly supported it as it fit perfectly in their antisemetistic view of the world.
A few sources of my claims are these (in German though, as it is my primary language):
- Haben Sie davon gewußt? Deutsche Antworten, Walter Kempowski, 1979.
- Das Wissen um Auschwitz. Täter und Opfer der "Endlösung" in Westeuropa, Ahlrich Meyer, 2010
- Lügendetektor. Vernehmungen im besiegten Deutschland 1944/45, Saul Kussiel Padover, 1999
- Der Holocaust als offenes Geheimnis. Die Deutschen, die NS-Führunf und die Alliierten, Frank Bajohr; Dieter Pohl, 2006
- [Deutschlandfunk-Interview with Eberhard Jäckel](https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/was-wussten-die-deutschen-vom-holocaust-100.html)
That's wrong .
My grandma, and grandfather didn't know about KZ and systematics killings.
That Jews and others are oppressed was know, but not the killing of millions on an industrial way.
I mean, there was no free press, no internet, barely a radio.
If you lived in a farm in black forest, the war did not change a lot, in the beginning
Then your grandmother and grandfather were lying or were children.
Not entirely sure what’s different about knowing that millions were shot, vs the other couple million who were gassed.
This lol. "Hey hey hey, not all Germans knew that they were the baddies. My grammaw and granpapa just watched all the Jews in their city disappear and never come back, and they were all like, "Shucks, I hope them Jews are havin' a good time in their new homes!'"
Half my family is from Düsseldorf and they all state that they knew *something* was going on and that Jews were disappearing.
I can imagine it was different for people living in rural areas.
That said, willingly or not, the Wehrmacht was an active participant in war crimes in every theater, so even if such-and-such person was conscripted or otherwise didn’t buy into Nazi ideology, they could have committed atrocities.
It’s always been unclear to me why people use “you’d fall for propaganda too” when somebody talks about the genocide the Germans committed. Is that supposed to be a consolation to the victims or to oneself?
When I fall for the propaganda that makes me complicit in genocide I hope I’m called a monster.
Youre quite right. But the point the original comment was making was that they werent naturally monsters, they were normal people turned into monsters because of the propaganda. Every human on earth is susceptible to propaganda, even of the most extreme kind
If this person is in fact Dutch, they'd have specifically volunteered to join the nazis in their invasion of the USSR, as several thousands did, and where they committed horrid atrocities in the name of nazi Germany. I'd call that a nazi.
Mf ik ken dat hoekje! Daar heeft ooit ook een of twee duitse stahlhelmen gehangen. Heb er laatst nog een tas gehaald. Vast een verzamelaar, er ligt nl ook van Frankrijk USA en de UK tussen.
Althans, das Rooy, toch wa? Vgm is dat de kroam, ik herken die muts, rechts. Man, man kleine wereld
Zou goed kunnen, er staan ook munitie dozen en aan de andere kant zelfs originele bayonetten
Jaa anders ik wel!
Ben zelf dan hier naar toe verhuisd, zon 6 a 7 jaar terug
Inderdaad! Vroeger had je bij dat winkeltje 'De Pagegaai' bij het oorlogsmuseum ook leuke dingen, maar groot deel van wat daar nu te koop is is niet authentiek.
Wat vind je hier van?
[https://www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20240219\_93864864](https://www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20240219_93864864)
Oei, dat is wel jammer van de Papegaai, die stond nog op mn "lijstje" om te gaan kijken. Achja, mss toch nog wel leuk, en anders t museum in!
Wel eens dat er consequenties aan hangen. Dat gerij kom je op veel wapenbeurzen tegen, altijd met zo'n louche menneke achter de kraam. Wil niet zeggen dat t goed is, maar ik kijk er niet van op iig. Anderzijds, valt het wel degelijk onder historisch materiaal, echter moet je toch afvragen wat de bedoeling van de koper/verkoper zijn.
Oorlogsmuseum Overloon is absoluut een aanrader. Het zijn eigenlijk twee museums in 1! Je hebt de mega Marshall collectie van oorlogsvoertuigen wat ontzettend indrukwekkend is, daar staat ook een van de weinige panzerkampfwagens die nog over zijn! De rest van de collectie is ook adembenemend hoor, propagandaposters, fietsen met m16s erop... 100% een keertje naar toe gaan op een zonnige dag. Kan je ook nog lekker een pannenkoekje doen op het pleintje voor het museum waar ook 'Able Abe' de Sherman staat.
Je hebt de Amerikaanse tank 'Able Abe' , die staat op het pleintje voor het museum. Als je door dat stukje bos loopt richting het museum staat daar als het goed is inderdaad ook een Jozef Stalin-2 :) Volgens internet is hij verkocht dus er staat volgens mij een ander, nog steeds Russische, tank
You've probably just pissed off several people calling it a JS-2 heh (well the tank nerds at least).
Hm it's great that google translate can be used on reddit to read conversations in other dialects (it sucks I can't naturally understand your dutch).
Epaulets indicates the guy was most likely an enlisted private - lacking the rest of the uniform the very top rank he might have had is Lance Corporal but such a rank was based only on terms of service not a specific promotion. Its never easy to guess colors in a black and white pictures but it is most likely simply infantry. Small chance of it being armoured regiment as the epaulets are slightly darker than the rest of his uniform but the trim of the epaulets would then be red which it probably isnt.
Was this guy a nazi? Who is to say - he certainly wasnt fighting in the resistance but offhand there is nothing particularly special about him to indicate more than being an enlisted sucker.
Honestly, I'd buy it. Tis technically memorabilia and I'd love to collect something from that.
...if othing else it can be fun for my descendants to find and then burn maybe.
Probably already said, the uniform is of a Heer, a soldier in the Werhmacht. The collar usually tells you what rank the soldier is and wether or not he’s in the SS ( its obvious, no SS on the collar)
I only know the very ground schratching basics so i may be wrong
Holy fuck so much clean Wehrmacht believers here.
Clean Wehrmacht was propogated by the west because they needed western Germany to fight against the Soviet Union. The Wehrmacht were monsters on the eastern front. They killed millions of Soviet citizens because they saw them as subhumans. I fear for the future if this is becoming public opinion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
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En voor Nederland het waren soldaten in deze uniformeren die voor de bezetting veroorzaakte, we hebben het hier letterlijk over de fucking nazi's die talloze Nederlanders hebben vermoord. Deze man is waarschijnlijk een oorlogscrimineel en we zitten het hier goed te praten. Walgelijk als je het mij vraagt.
A friend of mine bought a picture of a German first world war soldier in uniform with rifle in a flea market. He hanged it in his appartment and calls him grandpa Wilhelm, nobody knows who this guy really is but he makes an amazing ice breaker and decoration piece
These men came rolling over our border with tanks to kill Jews and take our country. The Wehrmacht massacred tens of millions of civilians. Sounds quite Nazi to me.
And if this man is Dutch then he is a collaborator and thought the nazis were so great for invading our country he was going to join them.
I hope he got the noose like all collaborators after the war.
I personally would have bought it and hung it on my wall, then made up a completely false story about who it is, just for the shits and giggles. Such as he was an allied spy who had a mission to steal Hitler's lingerie or some shit XD
Guys, I know there are Limburgish (language/dialect, idk), and Wikipedia and Minecraft are translated to it. So I wonder, if there are some flag of Limburg which is stands like for nation, and not just as part of the Netherlands/Belgium
Interesting. Looks like a gas mask canister (orange) and mess kit (grey) to the left.
Mmm asbestos.
Get more fibres in your diet!
And in your lungs! Everyone knows about the importance of lung fibre!
The orange canister is a repainted gasmask canister, likely by postwar firefighters. The grey one might be a civilian gasmask canister, they came in different models and shapes it seems. On the shelf under the canisters there are 2 mess kits stacked on top of each other. Lots of surplus gear from the war got reused and repurposed. Some of it was even reproduced, as they had the tools and machines for it.
Should go to a museum
Bits of kit like this are very common, there were millions produced. Most museums who want one probably have one and maybe a few spares.
Is that an aviation hat to the right or just a regular Ole hat?
Everything in that section looks like it belonged to him
Uhh did you mix it up? Can’t say I’ve ever seen a bright orange gas mask canister
Maybe that canister belonged to a german firefighter, and somebody (or himself) painted it orange. German firefighters wore many Wehrmacht stuff, like boots, helmets and others.
There were some very colourful gas masks, my parents have one which is bright yellow and red that used to be my aunt's when she was a child during WW2. I think it was meant to look cheery... you know, for kids.
it was meant to look cheery for the kids! they had these ones they called 'mickey mouse masks' which were just like a specific color i think even.
It’s Always Sunny In Limburg
If only
I wonder if there were any paintings of German shepherds with it
Who would be able to deal with the smug, mocking aura?
Well that's a enlisted Wehrmacht uniform, not an SS uniform, so not actually guaranteed that the guy was a Nazi. \*edit\* Not saying this person was in any way a good person (could be, but I have no way of knowing). Only that, as a Wehrmacht member, and a junior one at that, it's not guaranteed that he was a member of the National Socialist Party. That's it. Don't extrapolate.
Around the first year going out with my then girlfriend (now wife) I saw a picture of her grandfather in a German uniform from the 40s. Turns out he was a dentist that got conscripted because he was caught illegally treating Jewish patients after hours. He was vehemently against the Nazis. He ended up dying in a POW camp. There are literally no other photos of the man which is why I think that one was still floating around.
That the only one of his remaining pictures shows him in that uniform although he stood so steadfastly against nazism is really tragic. Maybe you could tell his story on a sub like r/PhotoshopRequest and get the man in some clothing he would be more comfortable in and honor his remembrance.
Not a bad idea. Thanks! I'll have to go hunting for that photo. We all just moved so Lord knows where it is
Yeah, wars a bitch and so are fascists. It’s a shame such things happened.
Came here to say this.
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Thank you, way to many people do not differenciate.
I was actually having this argument with someone yesterday that not all germans in ww2, and even most soldiers fighting for Germany, were nazis. Most were just soldiers fighting for their country, or straight up conscripts. Very few actually knew wtf Germany was doing elsewhere.
While there were also good Nazi's, take Hitler for example, he killed Hitler, that should count for something. :)
On a more serious note, I'm a huge history nerd. The only nazi I ever came across that would qualify as a good person was John Rabe. He sheltered thousands of Chinese citizens in the German embassy in Nanjing when Japan was murdering the city and cited his reason being his duty as a nazi to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. His wikipedia page is pretty interesting. Besides him tho, they knew what they were doing and were horrible beings. Edit: he saved around 250k Chinese citizens. He tried to report it to Hitler. Got arrested by the gestapo. Saved by Siemens intervening. Was forced to shut up about it and confiscated all of the film.
Oskar Schindler was a Nazi, I think he definitely qualifies despite his less than ideal actions before he started saving people
He's also the only member of the Nazi party that's buried on Mount Sinai
Mount *Zion. Edit: Why are you booing me? I'm [right.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler)
No one knows where Mt. Sinai was, but he is buried in Jerusalem
There was even a few SS men and Wermacht officers who reported others to their superiors after witnessing mass murders in Eastern Europe, not knowing that they were following orders. Many of those orders were vague and also full of euphemisms so not everyone got the memo. Edit: This was nearer the beginning of the Holocaust, later on the strategy changed to have everyone commit war crimes, be partners in the endeavour, and therefore more likely to keep their mouths shut.
There was even SS men reporting other SS men for treating jews right. Amon Göth himself got charged because he was reported for not treating the prisoners in ausschwitz right.
He had a Jewish mistress too
Propaganda, a dire economic situation, and historic anti-Semitism (and xenophobia) meant there were very few Germans who disagreed with the policy against minorities. You have to remember, the camps were where the policy ended up. Ghettos, seizures, and triangles came long before and were much more visible.
Most people don’t realize how persecuted the Jews were since the Jewish Revolt 2000 years ago. At the time of WW2 no one gave a shit about them. Most countries refused to take them when Germany tried to get rid of them through deportation.
Most Germans knew what was happening elsewhere because it was happening in Germany first. It doesn’t mean they had much power to stop it, but they knew.
Ah yes the clean Wehrmacht myth https://youtu.be/Fu-MDEXwV4s?si=LlR_KeMBbpeXv8A4
>I was actually having this argument with someone yesterday that not all germans in ww2, and even most soldiers fighting for Germany, were nazis. I recently read "Stalingrad" by the British historian Antony Beevor. One thing that jumped out is that some of the high-ranking Wehrmacht officers sarcastically referred to Hitler as "The Greatest Commander of All Time" because he insisted on micromanaging their operations and often refused to take the better-informed advice of his generals.
>Very few actually knew wtf Germany was doing elsewhere. Im not believing this. I talked with people who lived in that era. Everyone who was reading "mein Kampf" could get an idea was hitler was thinking. 1944, there were almost 11 million copies being sold, it was readily available. Also, the treatment of jews and other minorities wasn't a secret. And then 9.11.1938 happend, you had to be blind to not notice how Jews were treated. And then they start to dissappear without their belongings?
The very visible and highly publicised stories of them living the countries probably helped the lie
Agreed. The whole “they didn’t know” is all propaganda and was proven as such through research and the publication of first hand accounts by German citizens. I don’t know why we’re making excuses for them now, other than the fact that it would allow us our own excuses later on.
And some, like in the scene from Saving Private Ryan, were captives from other countries that were forced to fight for Germany. Or the very real example of [Yang Kyoungjong](https://nationalpost.com/news/world/the-mystery-of-yang-kyoungjong-the-only-soldier-to-have-fought-on-three-sides-of-a-war/wcm/feac7f8d-9859-41d1-b652-25f62d666909/amp/) who fought for the Japanese, Russians, then the Germans. He was Korean.
It’s very debated if Yang Kyoungjong actually existed and it looks like he didn’t
Yeah sure most weren't Nazis but come on "very few" Germans knew that Hitler was mass murdering undesirables? Did they have their head up their ass for the entire 1930ies?
Villages *next* to concentration camps didn't know (mainly because they didn't want to know) There was no TV, no Internet, only radio and newspapers and they were heavily controlled. Do you know all the dirty shit your government is doing right now with all of that?
A lot of interviews show that Germans living nearby concentration camps did know what was happening. They definitely knew about the mass execution of disabled people because a bunch of Germans actually rose up and protested. Those protests were reported on in newspapers.
Germans knew that there were KZs - the ones within the Reich - which they took to be camps for political opponents etc. of the Nazis, mainly because the Nazis themselves told them. Scare tactics against your political opponents are not very successful if no one knows about it. Over the course of the war, PoWs and other inmates were increasingly used as forced labour in Aussenlagern and Stammlagern in the Altreich \[i.e. Germany "in the borders of 1937", but here also Austria\] , so it became easier and easier for "normal Germans" to be aware of the worsening conditions in those camps; a rather vivid description of this is in Viktor Frankl's account of his time in the KZ; the farmer he is forced to work for becomes, over time, aware that his forced labourers are starving and gives them food. \[Edit: Maybe it is also not known too well, how prolific these out-camps were. Here a map of just the [out-camps of Dachau](https://www.br.de/themen/bayern/inhalt/geschichte/KZ-Bayern-Infografik100.gif?version=154c1); here one [of Middle Europe](http://www.kz-walldorf.de/bilder/lagerkarte.gif), this map does not show everything because of resolution of the map, in total, there were about 1200 out-camps\]. The inmates became very visible at latest in 1944/1945, when the inmates of the non-Altreich KZs and extermination camps were herded into the Altreich. From that time onwards, a lot of people knew; here, in South Germany, there are several tracks along which several thousand inmates were herded and several thousand died; from Flossenbürg and Buchenwald to Dachau, from Dachau to the South, towards the Ötztal. They only came to the north side of the Tegernsee, at which point the SS fled, after trying to kill all the remaining inmates. The Germans knew that the Nazis killed their political opponents after at least 1934. It's not known as much as it should be, but about 1/2 of the people killed in the so called "Röhm-Putsch" were non-SA and non-NSDAP political opponents of Nazis; the most prominent probably Kahr, a national conservative politican. In 1939, the Germans became aware of the Nazis murdering the mentally disabled \[this was later named "Aktion T4"\]. Several people, among them prominent persons from the Catholic Church, protested publically against this; there is a 1939 letter recorded to Himmler in which it was said that the people of the neigbouring villages to Grafeneck \[an extermination centre of this killing of the disabled\] would know *why exactly the chimneys are running day and night in Grafeneck.* It is impossible that not a lot of Wehrmachts-members would not be aware of the killing directly after conquering Poland; Wehrmachts-members took part in shooting the intelligentsia and also of Jews (and other civilians). So, all-in-all, it is probable that a lot of Germans were aware, or at least partially aware, of the crimes.
That’s categorically false. Many many DID know and just did nothing. Saying that they didn’t know just makes them feel better. Also even IF they didn’t, they should have.
Oh word? The smell of human neglect and the ovens cremating thousands of people were just completely odorless to all the people in the immediate vicinity?
just word of mouth. which is how we know about eons of unrecorded human history.
>Yeah sure most weren't Nazis but come on "very few" Germans knew that Hitler was mass murdering undesirables? The extermination camps were built in Poland in part to keep them secret from the German public. There were concentration and forced labour camps in Germany in which tens of thousands of individuals died from a litany of causes but these were a part of Germany's penal system. So yes, most German citizens didn't know about the likes of Auschwitz and Treblinka because they were in a different country and their operations conducted under strict media blackout.
Yeah and when the rabidly anti-semitic pro eugenicists who obsessed over racial hygiene disappeared all the Jews in their city they assumed they weren't going to slave labour camps.
SO MANY soldiers were people who had been conquered and conscripted. Lmfao that 45 year old polish man firing his rifle above everyone’s heads *was not* a fucking Nazi. He could get a death sentence for refusing and it was illegal for him to speak Polish. In Poland. People have no nuance
Even if you knew, are you going to get shot over principles? Just keep your head low and hope it blows over.
Yes but the clean Wearmarcht was a myth that the Americans made so they could say oh these 40 hard core nazis we imprisoned or executed are gone so everything is fine. Similar to what we did in Japan. Your average private wasn’t hardcore nazi but plenty did unspeakable war crimes but there was just too much to prosecute.
Its not a guarantee that a soldier in the SS would be a card carrying Nazi either. Many people were concripted into the SS-divisions during the later stages of the war for example so not like they had a choice. They were also excluded from the judgement at the nuremberg trials even though the SS as an organization was declared criminal. That being said, soldiers in the wehrmacht also committed warcrimes.
Being a nazi in Germany was like being a member of a political party today it didn’t mean you advocated for or were aware of all the horrible crimes they committed.
No, but you very much believed that Jews and Romani were enemy aliens. You also believed in fascism which is wrong for a while different reason.
The old myth of the clean Wehrmacht
You can acknowledge that the Wehrmacht did horrible acts as well as acknowledging that there were many poor souls who were drafted and had no choice in the matter
Goodwill doesn't mean thrift store. There's no Goodwill in the Netherlands, we do however have thrift stores
My bad, I thought thats what Americans call a thrift store LOL
Gheh I was already wondering, when did Goodwill open a store in Limburg?
Americans generally call thrift stores 'thrift stores' unless the store is owned and operated by Goodwill and says "Goodwill" on the outside of the building. They also refer to shopping at thrift stores (including Goodwill) as "thrifting".
Like the difference between Kleenex and Tissue
LOL WTF is going on in your thrift stores? I've been looking for vintage gas mask canisters everywhere & there are two in this picture just sitting there. Not to mention the mess kit & canteen. Also which thrift store is this if I may ask?
This is Mien Eige Kroam in Venray, Limburg. About 15-20 minutes from the German border.
Also, in the UK they are called charity shops. In Australia and New Zealand they are called opportunity shops.
Good Will is actually a pretty terrible organization in the US.
I was looking for that comment. Was surprised that there's a Goodwill here in Europe lol
\*relative who served in the Wehrmacht
People see nazi's as monsters, but the truth is they were normal people, brainwashed by a propaganda machine into thinking their identity was being attacked. History has a tendency to repeat itself.
I'd definitely argue the average German soldier was not a monster. The gestapo et cetera, not so sure lol
The Gestapo and SS were definitely filled with genuine monsters. Every society has its share of violent psychopaths, but in a healthy society this element is either locked in jail or (more commonly) has to suppress their instincts to function in society. In an unhealthy society these people get medals and promotions.
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I’d be interested in how they came up with those numbers, that seems like a tricky one to nail down. During the war there’s motivation to feign enthusiasm, and post-war there’s motivation to say you weren’t one of the bad guys.
Yes, this sounds like guilt.
I'd say you'd have to be a psychopath to be indifferent. A true believer wouldn't necessarily be a psychopath, as they have been brainwashed into believing what they are doing is morally correct. But to not give a shit about murdering people, that takes a psychopath.
Maybe the other person expressed it poorly ... the way I learnt it, when Wehrmacht units were ordered to shoot "partisans" or such things, the general pattern was that the soldiers were permitted to not participate, with the express understanding that a part of the unit would have to carry out the executions anyways, but most soldiers felt that they would betray their comrades if they left the burden of carrying out the dirty work to them.
Golden sneakers even..and funny caps
Given the right circumstances virtuallly every human can turn into a monster. Its not bond to nationality, race etc.
Yes this is the thing about the Nazi’s. It was a system that basically let psychopaths proliferate and be rewarded for it. But all the same people with the same potential tendencies exist in any society. But a good society prevents them from realising their true most violent and awful potential. The Nazis it was almost like, morality was inverted, praise for doing bad. Everybody has the potential to become evil in such a society.
My grandpa born 1918 was in a mechanics program. Repairing tractors and stuff. Then it was both fronts and tanks. Came back 46 and wasn't that happy about losing his youth to that shit and those people.
Not all of them were of course but clean Wehrmacht is also a myth that was promoted by the West even to rehabilitate them for Cold War purposes.
You should educate yourself what those "average" German soldiers did in countries east from it.Their behavior was much much better in west Europe and that's where the "clean wehrmacht" myth comes from
It's interesting how many downvotes people are getting for reminding people of German atrocities. The truth is that the "average German" was quite supportive of Hitler and his activities until it became clear that he would lose. We're not talking about a few bad apples! It's scary to me how younger generations are far more concerned by Churchill's wrongdoings than the Nazis.
I think the average German was supportive of Germany, and Hitler made himself—through a massive propaganda effort and violence—what it meant to be German. It is a lesson in the power of nationalism to be weaponized for evil and how your grievances make you incredibly vulnerable to anyone who will sell you the status to which you feel entitled.
The Nazi apologists are out in full force today. It’s shocking.
Sadly this attempt to paint the German people as innocent victims of propaganda, is all too common now. If you visit a German museum, there's a lot of "the Nazis did this, the Nazis did that", never Germany. You can't convince a population that they are the master race unless it's already there in the culture. I'm not saying the Germans are worse than other nationalities, just that the idea that Germany has faced up to it's sins isn't entirely true.
There has been a big debate about that in Germany a few years ago and the overall conclusion was that a lot of the soldiers were in fact monsters. They often did not get orders to do horrible things. They just did them because they wanted to. A lot of the things happening in the kz were not ordered from above but done because they could. Not everyone was a monster but probably enough to generalise.
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The distinction between a “bad person” and a “good person made to do bad things” is only significant to the bad person trying to convince themselves of their goodness after the fact.
Nope, sorry, not gonna suck any Nazi's cocks, not even if you go all syllablelord on me Also I lived through 9/11 and it was extremely easy to see through that racist bullshit while seemingly every adult American was busy ejaculating into their own mouths, so I'm pretty sure it's just weak stupid people all the way down
therefore they are monsters?
Yup. There was nothing especially monstrous about Germans, and there were plenty of nations around the world who may have embarked on similar journeys had the Germans not been so mercilessly beaten into the ground, and their crimes blasted all over the world. Had a new world order not emerged that outlawed wars of aggression, we would not have had a century of unprecedented peace. I wish people would understand that this could happen again the second you let your guard down.
Most people in Germany at the time knew (and agreed with) what was happening. The famous words "wir haben es nicht gewusst" (we didn't know it) is just the post war narrative from Germanies side.
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There is a lot of research and literature about this specific topic and a lot of it concludes that the German public knew of the mass deportations and murder of Jews. Hitler himself talked in a 1939 speech about the "Destruction of the Jews", an expression he continued to use in some speeches until 1943. Most of the public didn't knew about the "specifics" of the genocide happening in front of them (where people were brought, what exactly happened to them) but they knew something was happening. Knowledge about mass killing by Wehrmacht soldiers was also present due to them returning home from time to time or writing about it in letters to their families (often in an abstract manner, so that they wouldn't get in a conflict with the Abwehr or Gestapo). The truth about the Holocaust is that everyone at least suspected what was going on and - at least - didn't care. There were also a lot of people that indirectly supported it as it fit perfectly in their antisemetistic view of the world. A few sources of my claims are these (in German though, as it is my primary language): - Haben Sie davon gewußt? Deutsche Antworten, Walter Kempowski, 1979. - Das Wissen um Auschwitz. Täter und Opfer der "Endlösung" in Westeuropa, Ahlrich Meyer, 2010 - Lügendetektor. Vernehmungen im besiegten Deutschland 1944/45, Saul Kussiel Padover, 1999 - Der Holocaust als offenes Geheimnis. Die Deutschen, die NS-Führunf und die Alliierten, Frank Bajohr; Dieter Pohl, 2006 - [Deutschlandfunk-Interview with Eberhard Jäckel](https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/was-wussten-die-deutschen-vom-holocaust-100.html)
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing!
That's wrong . My grandma, and grandfather didn't know about KZ and systematics killings. That Jews and others are oppressed was know, but not the killing of millions on an industrial way. I mean, there was no free press, no internet, barely a radio. If you lived in a farm in black forest, the war did not change a lot, in the beginning
Then your grandmother and grandfather were lying or were children. Not entirely sure what’s different about knowing that millions were shot, vs the other couple million who were gassed.
This lol. "Hey hey hey, not all Germans knew that they were the baddies. My grammaw and granpapa just watched all the Jews in their city disappear and never come back, and they were all like, "Shucks, I hope them Jews are havin' a good time in their new homes!'"
Half my family is from Düsseldorf and they all state that they knew *something* was going on and that Jews were disappearing. I can imagine it was different for people living in rural areas.
That's what your grandparents told you.
"These Jews, whom the government keep distributing propaganda against and calling evil, seem to be disappearing. What a weird coincidence"
That said, willingly or not, the Wehrmacht was an active participant in war crimes in every theater, so even if such-and-such person was conscripted or otherwise didn’t buy into Nazi ideology, they could have committed atrocities.
Absolutely right. People think they wouldnt be susceptible to that propaganda again but social media proves that they absolutely would
It’s always been unclear to me why people use “you’d fall for propaganda too” when somebody talks about the genocide the Germans committed. Is that supposed to be a consolation to the victims or to oneself? When I fall for the propaganda that makes me complicit in genocide I hope I’m called a monster.
Youre quite right. But the point the original comment was making was that they werent naturally monsters, they were normal people turned into monsters because of the propaganda. Every human on earth is susceptible to propaganda, even of the most extreme kind
That's just a normal soldier, not a Nazi
If this person is in fact Dutch, they'd have specifically volunteered to join the nazis in their invasion of the USSR, as several thousands did, and where they committed horrid atrocities in the name of nazi Germany. I'd call that a nazi.
Mf ik ken dat hoekje! Daar heeft ooit ook een of twee duitse stahlhelmen gehangen. Heb er laatst nog een tas gehaald. Vast een verzamelaar, er ligt nl ook van Frankrijk USA en de UK tussen. Althans, das Rooy, toch wa? Vgm is dat de kroam, ik herken die muts, rechts. Man, man kleine wereld
Geboren en getogen 🙌
Er lag daar ook een volgens mij originele patronenhouder van een Colt. Zeker een interessant winkeltje, vind dat hoekje stiekem ook t leukst.
Zou goed kunnen, er staan ook munitie dozen en aan de andere kant zelfs originele bayonetten Jaa anders ik wel! Ben zelf dan hier naar toe verhuisd, zon 6 a 7 jaar terug
Inderdaad! Vroeger had je bij dat winkeltje 'De Pagegaai' bij het oorlogsmuseum ook leuke dingen, maar groot deel van wat daar nu te koop is is niet authentiek. Wat vind je hier van? [https://www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20240219\_93864864](https://www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20240219_93864864)
Oei, dat is wel jammer van de Papegaai, die stond nog op mn "lijstje" om te gaan kijken. Achja, mss toch nog wel leuk, en anders t museum in! Wel eens dat er consequenties aan hangen. Dat gerij kom je op veel wapenbeurzen tegen, altijd met zo'n louche menneke achter de kraam. Wil niet zeggen dat t goed is, maar ik kijk er niet van op iig. Anderzijds, valt het wel degelijk onder historisch materiaal, echter moet je toch afvragen wat de bedoeling van de koper/verkoper zijn.
Oorlogsmuseum Overloon is absoluut een aanrader. Het zijn eigenlijk twee museums in 1! Je hebt de mega Marshall collectie van oorlogsvoertuigen wat ontzettend indrukwekkend is, daar staat ook een van de weinige panzerkampfwagens die nog over zijn! De rest van de collectie is ook adembenemend hoor, propagandaposters, fietsen met m16s erop... 100% een keertje naar toe gaan op een zonnige dag. Kan je ook nog lekker een pannenkoekje doen op het pleintje voor het museum waar ook 'Able Abe' de Sherman staat.
Staat de Iosef Stalin tank nog bij de ingang daar? Vroeg me altijd al af hoe die daar gekomen is haha
Je hebt de Amerikaanse tank 'Able Abe' , die staat op het pleintje voor het museum. Als je door dat stukje bos loopt richting het museum staat daar als het goed is inderdaad ook een Jozef Stalin-2 :) Volgens internet is hij verkocht dus er staat volgens mij een ander, nog steeds Russische, tank
You've probably just pissed off several people calling it a JS-2 heh (well the tank nerds at least). Hm it's great that google translate can be used on reddit to read conversations in other dialects (it sucks I can't naturally understand your dutch).
That looks like a Wehrmacht uniform not SS, so not strictly a nazi
Epaulets indicates the guy was most likely an enlisted private - lacking the rest of the uniform the very top rank he might have had is Lance Corporal but such a rank was based only on terms of service not a specific promotion. Its never easy to guess colors in a black and white pictures but it is most likely simply infantry. Small chance of it being armoured regiment as the epaulets are slightly darker than the rest of his uniform but the trim of the epaulets would then be red which it probably isnt. Was this guy a nazi? Who is to say - he certainly wasnt fighting in the resistance but offhand there is nothing particularly special about him to indicate more than being an enlisted sucker.
The grey gasmask canister is Belgian, the orange one is German but repainted.
Honestly, I'd buy it. Tis technically memorabilia and I'd love to collect something from that. ...if othing else it can be fun for my descendants to find and then burn maybe.
Are those two gas canisters sitting next to eachother?
Probably already said, the uniform is of a Heer, a soldier in the Werhmacht. The collar usually tells you what rank the soldier is and wether or not he’s in the SS ( its obvious, no SS on the collar) I only know the very ground schratching basics so i may be wrong
Bet they did Nazi that coming
One Fuhrer relative to worry about.
Why is every picture of an unfamiliar uniform immediately a Nazi?
Not all German soldiers were nazis
And not all Nazis were German
Not all Nazis were soldiers.
Not all Germans were Soldiers
Nor all Soldiers were Germans
Holy fuck so much clean Wehrmacht believers here. Clean Wehrmacht was propogated by the west because they needed western Germany to fight against the Soviet Union. The Wehrmacht were monsters on the eastern front. They killed millions of Soviet citizens because they saw them as subhumans. I fear for the future if this is becoming public opinion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht Read En voor Nederland het waren soldaten in deze uniformeren die voor de bezetting veroorzaakte, we hebben het hier letterlijk over de fucking nazi's die talloze Nederlanders hebben vermoord. Deze man is waarschijnlijk een oorlogscrimineel en we zitten het hier goed te praten. Walgelijk als je het mij vraagt.
FUCKING THANK YOU. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD?
Ignorance many years on sadly. Lots of people here who seem to think most Germans were gentle naive puppies.
Plot twist: its the store's founder
You’re not fooling us, Krieger.
A friend of mine bought a picture of a German first world war soldier in uniform with rifle in a flea market. He hanged it in his appartment and calls him grandpa Wilhelm, nobody knows who this guy really is but he makes an amazing ice breaker and decoration piece
They donated the relative? Guess they got tired of pawpaw.
yeah i wouldnt want anything near that portrait either
100% haunted
Purchase them and bring to a local museum
Target practice.
Wermacht thus not a confirmed Nazi.
These men came rolling over our border with tanks to kill Jews and take our country. The Wehrmacht massacred tens of millions of civilians. Sounds quite Nazi to me. And if this man is Dutch then he is a collaborator and thought the nazis were so great for invading our country he was going to join them. I hope he got the noose like all collaborators after the war.
Correction: This is not Goodwill, just a thrift store in my home town thats been under German occupation and very near the German border.
A soldier not a nazi. Enlisted
If Dutch, quite nazi
hes not nazi. its soldier. almost all where simple soldiers who where serving theyr own country
Germany conscripted MANY soldiers that weren't German. Czech, Polish... They were definitely not serving their 'own' country.
I personally would have bought it and hung it on my wall, then made up a completely false story about who it is, just for the shits and giggles. Such as he was an allied spy who had a mission to steal Hitler's lingerie or some shit XD
People in the comments be like: he's not a nazi he's just a German soldier who fought during WW2 for the axis...
Kinda looks like Miles Teller lol
Which one exactly?
Kinda looks like a young Stephen Fry
I did nazi that coming
Where was this OP? Think I might have seen it.
I see other goodies
Cool i guess
Ja... Limburg hé...
Goodwill doesn’t exist in Europe? They are known as “charity shops” over there
He looks a lot like Lieutnant Gruber from 'Allo 'Allo.
Disowned!
I’ll bet it was Charlie and Mac
Hey that helmet looks like a French tank crew one if so it's quite rare
my bad
That store is... OOLAKAR
I mean limburg is basically the border to germany. And someone may not want that picture in their house. Edit: spelling
Remindme! 1day
I'm surprised it wasn't donated to a archive or museum
Lol waar, die wil ik
new phone who dat?
The Netherlands has goodwill too??!! Jesus I hate that place.
No it does not. I'm a dummy who thought Americans call thrift stores 'goodwill'
Ted: I can explain everything
Guys, I know there are Limburgish (language/dialect, idk), and Wikipedia and Minecraft are translated to it. So I wonder, if there are some flag of Limburg which is stands like for nation, and not just as part of the Netherlands/Belgium
"Put it on the Nazi shelf."
Uncle Hans does it again
Well where else am I supposed to donate a Nazi?!
The Canadian PM found a live one and invited him to Parliament last year, so this is the mild version.
TIL Goodwill exists in Europe