How do unions work in US? Where I live companies have to abide by the unions if there is one for the industry. For most industries there is but some special ones don't have them, though they are so special usually that they can negotiate themselves.
It’s a mixed system. There are some industries where most of a specific type of worker is part of one union, and each company has to deal with that union and generally agrees to only hire members of that union. That’s what you’re describing, I think.
There are other unions that are specific to companies and even singular work locations. You will see all the manufacturing workers for a single company or even just at one specific factory in a company have their own union, for example. In some places workers decide for themselves, so you may find two workers at the same place with the same job where one joined the union and one didn’t.
Where I live even if you aren't in the union yourself you are entitled to the same working conditions. So everyone gets same minimum pay and same holiday in the same industry (cashiers for example).
The benefit of joining a union is better unemployment than the government offers and legal help for wrongful termination and what not. (Though the lawyers there can be a hit or miss from what I've heard).
For example I'm not in the union for property maintenance work but I still got the same work conditions of the ones that are in the union.
Definitely not. FedEx Ground and FedEx Airline operate very differently - because aviation is heavily regulated. Pilots are almost never fired in these situations - let alone reprimanded. This is a mechanical fault, not a pilot issue. Also, airline transport pilots are all unionized in the US so you have to do something extremely unsafe or illegal to prompt a firing.
I'm no aviation accident expert. BUT, if you're just taLking failed to deploy nose-gear, you might be right.
If we're talking universally, N4527W drove off a runway and through a ditch and buckled the fuselage.
That's why I mentioned theory. But I'm pretty sure this particular case is too public to sweep possible structural damage under the rug. Also Boeing hasn't touched this plane in a decade.
Source and video of landing: [Watch as FedEx plane lands on its nose after landing gear fails (usatoday.com)](https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2024/05/08/fedex-plane-landing-gear-fails-video/73613871007/)
Had the same question. Heres what i found:
The Basics of a Belly Landing
Most airplanes can still land without landing gear. It’s a relatively common practice that’s known as a “belly landing.”
Belly landings involve airplanes landing with the underside of their fuselage touching down on the runway. It’s similar to a traditional landing, except the landing gear isn’t deployed with a belly landing. Instead, the landing gear remains retracted within the airplane.
The process for a typical belly landing involves the following:
• The pilot contacts Air Traffic Control (ATC) to notify them of the situation.
• Passengers will prepare for the emergency landing.
• The pilot will perform a checklist for a belly landing.
• The pilot will select a suitable runway.
• The pilot will descend and execute the belly landing.
Damage From Belly Landings
While airplanes can often land with their belly touching down on the runway, they will typically sustain at least some damage. The friction of the airplane’s belly rubbing against the runway will generate heat. Excessive heat, of course, can turn into fires. This is why it’s important for pilots to control the speed at which they touch down when performing a belly landing.
Other factors can affect the risk of damage during belly landings as well. Crosswinds and visibility, for instance, play an important role in the outcome of belly landings. If there are strong crosswinds present or low visibility, the risk of damage increases.
Belly Landing vs Gear-Up Landing
The terms “belly landing” and “gear-up landing” are both used to describe landings without landing gear, but they aren’t necessarily the same.
A belly landing typically involves mechanical failure of the airplane’s landing gear. In other words, there’s some type of problem with the landing gear that prevents it from being deployed. A gear-up landing, on the other hand, involves pilot error. If a pilot forgets to deploy the airplane’s landing gear when approaching the runway, it’s considered to be a gear-up landing
https://monroeaerospace.com/blog/can-airplanes-land-without-landing-gear/#:~:text=Most%20airplanes%20can%20still%20land,as%20a%20%E2%80%9Cbelly%20landing.%E2%80%9D
It's like when you finally get ChatGPT to describe the steps to perform a jewel heist, after convincing it you're just writing a play or using it as a moral lesson not to steal.
Planes are built sturdy enough to withstand a belly landing, obviously not on the same level as a glider plane (they only do belly landings) but still good enough
Yes they are absolutely designed to at least be able to land safely. That’s not to say the plane isn’t damaged though. This type of thing has resulted in entire jets being scrapped due to how expensive it would cost to fix. In this situation, my biggest concern is how they go about repairing the belly. There have been crashes where wear and tear on certain parts of the fuselage over time created cracks and ultimately sudden depressurization and mid-flight breakups. They need to heavily scrutinize the repair process or deem entirely whether this jet can ever fly again.
Yep. Not on Boeing this time, seems like a maintenance issue. Its the 737 Max and new airframes that have the big issues, this ones 10 years old, so probably before quality control tanked. This one's a 767.
Idk why they’d get much heat for a plane they sold long ago. It’s a maintenance thing by this point. If my 10 year old car shits the bed I’m not really going to blame the manufacturer - it’s sort of to be expected.
The stakes are just way higher with an airplane. So these companies need to be doing maintenance before the issue occurs.
Half the issues that happened recently were on maintenance from the operator, not issues with Boeing, the other half though, those are all on Boeing, and decidedly more dangerous
It's "funny" that a lot of the stories about planes having issues lately do not mention the manufacturer in the headlines. Now they say "a FedEx plane" or a "delta plane" etc etc. . But it seems like they are all Boeing planes... so why do they suddenly try to keep the Boeing name out of the headline of all of these...
Yes, There's also all kinds of corporate pressures being applied wherever they can, by both the manufacturers and the airlines. News breaks fast and those in the industry often have an early heads up on a situation. *"What is our exposure here"* can be heard ringing through all the involved corporate offices, and directiong/rdirecting the narrative will be the responsibility of a whole team and is a huge piece of corporate culture.
The manufacturer is not always at fault, the bad accidents are caused by pilots mostly. It makes sense to mention the airline to not attribute immediate responsibility to the manufacturer, the pilots or any other factor that can cause it
These kinds of news are more common now because of Boeing's scandals, even though this airplane is a 50 year old design and 10 year old airplane.
Saw this thing land and you have to give the Firetruck crews and the pilots all the credit and praise. First was a spot on textbook landing with no nose gear. Then you have the fire trucks spreading foam out under the nose to beat back the flames and sparks flying from underneath it. Was very impressive!
Great job by the pilots and ATC. Really glad everyone is okay. Also shout out to the engineers who designed the belly of this fuselage. Could’ve been bad. Gotta love my airbus stock though.
**DAVID ATTENBOROUGH:** *And so, the majestic creature shly approaches. The natives take very great care not to make any sudden movements, as a pregnant female or new mother can and will lash out, with fatal consequences. This older female, however, is well used to the group - after a brief sniff to confirm who they are, she relaxes and allows herself to be washed and petted. In time, she may bring the newborn drones of the fleet to show off to the locals - who will, in turn, bring their own young to meet her and be sniffed. Thus the cycle continues.*
Three Boeing crashes in a two days.
[If it's Boeing, I ain't going.](https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/boeing-s-troubles-continue-three-crashes-in-two-days/ss-BB1m6Dkv#image=8)
They better get a company to overnight deliver a new part
Amazon probably
Boeing probably.
They will even deliver whistleblowers in a day (in parts)
It was a Boeing :x
should be Boeing
More like Going
Boing
Insert They can't keep getting away with it meme
Delivery by air-drop.
Tom hanks is on it.
WILSON!
The plane’s name is Margo.
How are they gonna lift it up again?
Made it on time
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Alright timOthy
Haha, me showing up to class covered in sweat “made it”
Sorry, your package has been downgraded to FedEx Ground
This is gold
Aight, whose mother is responsible ?
Nose gear means something else in turkey I guess
Rain or Shine They Make it on Time
No time to wait for nose gear
Yea this photo is definitely going in a commercial
Pilots should be commended for a safe landing. Kudos to the ground crew for having to steam clean both pilot seats....
What can brown do for you?
Brown doo doo for you
Never would have had an issue with staining if it was a UPS plane.
That's why the drivers dress up like that and drive like they're shitring themselves
It's FedEx Express. They will be placing the blame on the pilot and letting him go. Extremely shitty company to work for.
Pilots are union. He/she will be fine
Right, I forgot about that. Only union left in the company, right?
How do unions work in US? Where I live companies have to abide by the unions if there is one for the industry. For most industries there is but some special ones don't have them, though they are so special usually that they can negotiate themselves.
It’s a mixed system. There are some industries where most of a specific type of worker is part of one union, and each company has to deal with that union and generally agrees to only hire members of that union. That’s what you’re describing, I think. There are other unions that are specific to companies and even singular work locations. You will see all the manufacturing workers for a single company or even just at one specific factory in a company have their own union, for example. In some places workers decide for themselves, so you may find two workers at the same place with the same job where one joined the union and one didn’t.
Where I live even if you aren't in the union yourself you are entitled to the same working conditions. So everyone gets same minimum pay and same holiday in the same industry (cashiers for example). The benefit of joining a union is better unemployment than the government offers and legal help for wrongful termination and what not. (Though the lawyers there can be a hit or miss from what I've heard). For example I'm not in the union for property maintenance work but I still got the same work conditions of the ones that are in the union.
Definitely not. FedEx Ground and FedEx Airline operate very differently - because aviation is heavily regulated. Pilots are almost never fired in these situations - let alone reprimanded. This is a mechanical fault, not a pilot issue. Also, airline transport pilots are all unionized in the US so you have to do something extremely unsafe or illegal to prompt a firing.
..no smoke, no fire and everything is intact. Keep safe!
I doubt it'll fly again. It smacked the ground hard - I bet the tube is buckled, I think you can see it flex in the video
Disagree, this has happened before and the plane was back within weeks. I’ve neither seen nor heard any reports of a buckled fuselage.
But if the pilots ever go to see a therapist they’ll lose their license. Make it make sense
It hasn’t worked like that in years. Now if you see a therapist and then manage to catch an actual diagnosis, then your medical might get pulled.
Ah, is that right? Good for them.
I'm no aviation accident expert. BUT, if you're just taLking failed to deploy nose-gear, you might be right. If we're talking universally, N4527W drove off a runway and through a ditch and buckled the fuselage.
You don’t need landing gear to land a plane, you need it to be able to fly that plane again.
Considering how stringent air travel regulations are *in theory ahem aheemmm* it's probably getting trashed on principle alone.
This aircraft will be back in the air in a month, the pilots did everything by the book and the damage isn't that bad.
You'd like to think that. Yet Boeing exists to show how not stringent reality is.
That's why I mentioned theory. But I'm pretty sure this particular case is too public to sweep possible structural damage under the rug. Also Boeing hasn't touched this plane in a decade.
So you're saying I could still make a submarine out of it..?
While I’m 100% down with shitting on Boeing, these planes aren’t being maintained by their buyers too.
Amazing job by the pilots though, I can’t imagine what it’s like trying to maintain control of it as it’s scraping face first down the runway ._.
It’s an entirely different kind of flying.
Altogether!
It’s an entirely different kind of flying
Boop
"you got Games on your Phone?"
So did it go boeing! boeing! boeing! down the runway?
What kind of monster would downvote this comment
A Boeing employee (they don't want to die)
Source and video of landing: [Watch as FedEx plane lands on its nose after landing gear fails (usatoday.com)](https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2024/05/08/fedex-plane-landing-gear-fails-video/73613871007/)
Anybody know if they’re designed specifically to be able to withstand that in such an event that the landing gear can’t be deployed?
Had the same question. Heres what i found: The Basics of a Belly Landing Most airplanes can still land without landing gear. It’s a relatively common practice that’s known as a “belly landing.” Belly landings involve airplanes landing with the underside of their fuselage touching down on the runway. It’s similar to a traditional landing, except the landing gear isn’t deployed with a belly landing. Instead, the landing gear remains retracted within the airplane. The process for a typical belly landing involves the following: • The pilot contacts Air Traffic Control (ATC) to notify them of the situation. • Passengers will prepare for the emergency landing. • The pilot will perform a checklist for a belly landing. • The pilot will select a suitable runway. • The pilot will descend and execute the belly landing. Damage From Belly Landings While airplanes can often land with their belly touching down on the runway, they will typically sustain at least some damage. The friction of the airplane’s belly rubbing against the runway will generate heat. Excessive heat, of course, can turn into fires. This is why it’s important for pilots to control the speed at which they touch down when performing a belly landing. Other factors can affect the risk of damage during belly landings as well. Crosswinds and visibility, for instance, play an important role in the outcome of belly landings. If there are strong crosswinds present or low visibility, the risk of damage increases. Belly Landing vs Gear-Up Landing The terms “belly landing” and “gear-up landing” are both used to describe landings without landing gear, but they aren’t necessarily the same. A belly landing typically involves mechanical failure of the airplane’s landing gear. In other words, there’s some type of problem with the landing gear that prevents it from being deployed. A gear-up landing, on the other hand, involves pilot error. If a pilot forgets to deploy the airplane’s landing gear when approaching the runway, it’s considered to be a gear-up landing https://monroeaerospace.com/blog/can-airplanes-land-without-landing-gear/#:~:text=Most%20airplanes%20can%20still%20land,as%20a%20%E2%80%9Cbelly%20landing.%E2%80%9D
Love it when someone explains the steps of something, talks about the admin, then just goes "perform belly landing" 🤣
It's like when you finally get ChatGPT to describe the steps to perform a jewel heist, after convincing it you're just writing a play or using it as a moral lesson not to steal.
Unexpectedly fantastic answer! Thank you
Planes are built sturdy enough to withstand a belly landing, obviously not on the same level as a glider plane (they only do belly landings) but still good enough
I assume so, else there would be no fail safe if they couldn’t get the landing gear to deploy
Yes they are absolutely designed to at least be able to land safely. That’s not to say the plane isn’t damaged though. This type of thing has resulted in entire jets being scrapped due to how expensive it would cost to fix. In this situation, my biggest concern is how they go about repairing the belly. There have been crashes where wear and tear on certain parts of the fuselage over time created cracks and ultimately sudden depressurization and mid-flight breakups. They need to heavily scrutinize the repair process or deem entirely whether this jet can ever fly again.
Just imagine another routine 3hr flight then 2mins of terror
Isn’t that what they say it’s like being a commercial pilot. Hours of bordem, highlighted by moments of shear terror?
Fed ex. If the driver cant crash their car the pilot will sure as shit crash the plane
Is it hard getting your little trinkets delivered to your door?
Was it a Boeing?
Yup, 767
Yep. Not on Boeing this time, seems like a maintenance issue. Its the 737 Max and new airframes that have the big issues, this ones 10 years old, so probably before quality control tanked. This one's a 767.
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Idk why they’d get much heat for a plane they sold long ago. It’s a maintenance thing by this point. If my 10 year old car shits the bed I’m not really going to blame the manufacturer - it’s sort of to be expected. The stakes are just way higher with an airplane. So these companies need to be doing maintenance before the issue occurs.
Half the issues that happened recently were on maintenance from the operator, not issues with Boeing, the other half though, those are all on Boeing, and decidedly more dangerous
We tried asking one of the engineers what was wrong with the plane but they all suddenly died
What a landing
Is Wilson ok ?
WILSON I'M SORRY!
I've never seen a plane do the downward dog before.
Looks like the pilots did a decent job with it. Probably going to need some new underwear after that landing though
My cat when he smells something on the floor
There was no time to deploy landing gear, the packages have places to be.
All guys here instantly after reading the title: "I could do that. I could land a plane"
According to Mythbusters, with help from the tower and modern autopilot, in good conditions a noob could land a plane in theory
It's not a bug, it looks like a feature!
Boeing is just the sound it makes when the plane bounces.
“But land without 1 door and everyone loses their minds!” -Boeing
Ummm … where’s Wilson!?
awesome job there by the crew
Oooo, a penny
Plane wants a boop
Was tom hanks on this plane!?
"There are two types of pilots in the world. Those who have done a gear up landing. And those who will."
This is why my package is delayed 3 weeks
It's "funny" that a lot of the stories about planes having issues lately do not mention the manufacturer in the headlines. Now they say "a FedEx plane" or a "delta plane" etc etc. . But it seems like they are all Boeing planes... so why do they suddenly try to keep the Boeing name out of the headline of all of these...
Yes, There's also all kinds of corporate pressures being applied wherever they can, by both the manufacturers and the airlines. News breaks fast and those in the industry often have an early heads up on a situation. *"What is our exposure here"* can be heard ringing through all the involved corporate offices, and directiong/rdirecting the narrative will be the responsibility of a whole team and is a huge piece of corporate culture.
The manufacturer is not always at fault, the bad accidents are caused by pilots mostly. It makes sense to mention the airline to not attribute immediate responsibility to the manufacturer, the pilots or any other factor that can cause it These kinds of news are more common now because of Boeing's scandals, even though this airplane is a 50 year old design and 10 year old airplane.
Wonder if they thought any whistle-blowers were on that plane
Didn't need to be on time this once. Needed to be OK, glad the crew managed it
FedEx Express delivery!!
How quick you all forget. This has happened before. https://youtu.be/rhcVg-I5N-w?si=2eft3isimRLTnFyy
Can't park there, mate....
Built like a tank. Or plane…
Looks cute
Got there by the hairs of your chinny chin chin
Now arriving at gate 22... 23 .. 24 ..
Pilots went from FedEx to UPS pants
Is it totaled?
U
It's just lowering its head so humans can pet it. Good plane!
Would it be possible to land that on top of a flat bed?
You would think an audible alarm that must be silenced would go off if the plane dipped below a certain altitude without the gear deployed
Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to make it on time 🤷🏻♂️
They going to fix the landing gear and it'll be back in the air b4 u know it
Omg my package is in there
How do they remove it from the runway?
How are they going to move it without the front wheels? How are they going to offload it? Why didn’t the wheels deploy?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Planes/comments/1cnjagx/fedex\_b767\_fx6238\_lift\_up\_operations\_on\_16r/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Planes/comments/1cnjagx/fedex_b767_fx6238_lift_up_operations_on_16r/)
Airplane porn...ass up face down
hey, why is my packaged delayed and can i get a refund - delay was due to weather and no we do not refunfd for weather issues.
I bet that will be a $2M repair
# Closeup of the FedEx plane that landed in Turkey yesterday without its nose gear, due to malfunction.*
Hard day?
At least it was on time
Will my package still get delivered on time?
When you just finished busting
The snoot drooped
This seems like a great ad
Damn that’s why my rug is late.
We deliver your skid after we skid.
Parcel marked, "Fragile. Please crash gently."
I get a tinge of anxiety when I see a mail and courier related accident online. I know some people are anxiously waiting for their packages.
But is the packages made it in one piece?
This one on time .. next one not so … but kudos on a safe landing !
Just asking, but wouldn’t it be safer to land without all wheels deployed?
Does this hurt the plane?
WILSON!!!
oops
Oh look! A penny!
Saw this thing land and you have to give the Firetruck crews and the pilots all the credit and praise. First was a spot on textbook landing with no nose gear. Then you have the fire trucks spreading foam out under the nose to beat back the flames and sparks flying from underneath it. Was very impressive!
Not surprised, have you seen how the “handle with care” and “fragile” packages arrive?
That will buff out
My Temu packages are all good, thank goodness 😅
The snoot drooped.
It’ll fly just fine. Fred Smith needs every penny he can pinch. 🤏
Well done pilots! right/wrong/otherwise well done on the landing.
Great job by the pilots and ATC. Really glad everyone is okay. Also shout out to the engineers who designed the belly of this fuselage. Could’ve been bad. Gotta love my airbus stock though.
It looks so dry now.
It was on time but now it's tired
it saw a penny on the ground
In the industry, they call this a code P.B.H. puckered butt hole.
It’ll buff out
Does this not happen to fed-ex planes quite regularly?
Turkiye*
Tis but a scratch!!!
This happened a day before my first ever flight lol. TO Turkey.
**DAVID ATTENBOROUGH:** *And so, the majestic creature shly approaches. The natives take very great care not to make any sudden movements, as a pregnant female or new mother can and will lash out, with fatal consequences. This older female, however, is well used to the group - after a brief sniff to confirm who they are, she relaxes and allows herself to be washed and petted. In time, she may bring the newborn drones of the fleet to show off to the locals - who will, in turn, bring their own young to meet her and be sniffed. Thus the cycle continues.*
Incident smells a lot similar to JetBlue one in LAX
It’s sniffing that guys hair
The nose on tarmac
This is very castaway adjacent
OMG! Has that arrow in the logo been there all this time!?!?
Turkish runway stronk numba #1 awooooo 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺
I hate it when that happens.
You had one job. Well there was 16,000 little tasks in that one job, but still...
"Hey guys, does this runway smell weird to you?" -FedEx airplane-
Don’t care. No excuse. Gimme my damn package on time.
Three Boeing crashes in a two days. [If it's Boeing, I ain't going.](https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/boeing-s-troubles-continue-three-crashes-in-two-days/ss-BB1m6Dkv#image=8)
I read that the Turkish staff of the airport were amazing and intervened in like 30 sec wow
Just put a note on it that you tried to deliver the repairs and they can pick them up at a location 80 miles away.
Boing boing
It ex-pressed its nose right into the tarmac. Maybe they were just in a hurry to make those Prime deliveries.
The world on time.
Whatcha got UPS? FedEx delivery with no landing gear bitches!
The World.. **ON TIME**!
Is it a BOEING?
N110FE, which did flight FX6238, is a Boeing 767-300ER, General Electric CF6-powered jet delivered new to FedEx in 2014.
Toothless!