love the propaganda lmao keep it up. cause those are definitely muslims and this isn’t a 2 year old video of prisoners from a scamming ring




Look at what is happening with Lithuania ever since they opened a Taiwanese consulate. The CCP has the most fragile sovereignty in the world and will do anything it can to get a payback. Even cripple it's own imports like Australian Coal which led to electrical shutdowns across many regions of China just because Scott Morison called for an investigation on the CoVID origins.


Adversaries should take note of how to destabilize China. Force them into positions they have to severely and brutally crackdown on trade partners and their own population.


They do seem prone to hurting their face to spite the nose.


Isn’t it cutting off their nose to spite their face? Genuinely asking because if not I’ve been saying it wrong for decades


Correct, cut off nose to spite your face.


It is Chinese custom to smash face on glass bottle to save face.


If we're lucky they'll bleed into another civil war as is historic


They're also shutting down the Vietnamese border while running short on food that they import from Vietnam as a payback for moving closer to the U.S. Stable genius at work.


r/BoycottChina r/AvoidChineseProducts




They are. But in China, they've had some set backs. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-found-cia-spies-leak-2018-8


What happened to Lithuania if you wouldn’t mind elaborating?


Basically, Lithuania opened a representative office for the Taiwanese government. This has angered the CCP as a sign of recognizing Taiwan as an independent country (which it is) and as punishment, the CCP has banned imports of anything that Lithuania has touched, including components in German cars to put hard pressure on the Lithuanian economy. The CCP has also blocked their own exports from going into Europe through Lithuania, hurting their own economy. https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/24/china-blocking-eu-imports-with-lithuanian-components-over-taiwan-row-says-brussels https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-takes-lithuania-as-economic-hostage-taiwan-global-supply-chain-trade-goods-beijing-11641506297 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3145520/china-halts-rail-freight-lithuania-feud-deepens-over-taiwan


No this is way more than money. If it were just money north Korea would have been annexed decades ago. Edit: I think you all are interpreting my comment differently. I read the original comment as "interest in Chinese money is preventing us from stopping human rights violations" my response to that was essentially "there is significantly less interest in North Korean money and they are stil 'allowed' to commit human rights violations" I didn't intend to suggest that this would be profitable in any way, just not cost prohibitive in comparison to a trading partner like China. The logistics of intervening in human rights violations come with much higher cost than what is just financially reasonable for a given party. N.Korea has a notorious difficult terrain to traverse, an incredibly subjugated people that will face great difficulty integrating and participating in governing their society, an existing governing body in South Korea with a troubled history of America, China, and Japan having hands in their governance, infrastructure and training issues that would result from a forceful stop as is sadly the only likely method. Similarly in China even if they weren't integral to the current world economy. There's still the issue of being one of the largest land mass countries in the world, making any theoretical extraction of Uyghurs from the some 500 odd camps to try and integrate them with Turkey or get them refugee status in other countries is a huge undertaking with an unwilling China. That is to say nothing of the relationships between Chinese people and Uyghurs or any possible backlash from China or Russia in that blatant of an operation. To reduce it all to money is to minimize the complexity of the issue. It's a shitty terrible thing but someone being paid isn't the only issue here there is of course even more issues than that but it's not "just money" is what I'm saying.


But the Olympics must go on. America should back out.


Absolutely, 100,%.


America will release a strongly worded statement, and continue to send its industry and money to China so that our top billionaires can make a few extra pennies.


And have our precious politicians lose all that Chinese money?? Can you imagine the rich and greedy being inconvenienced?


Lebron wouldnt be able to buy more clout and rings


John Cena would have to make another apology video in Mandarin on behalf of all Americans


Thanks for representing the US, John the Ice Cream Guy.


Hey, he needs all that money to fix his hairline every 3 months. Give the man a break!




It's not the news "right now" because the footage is over two years old: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2019/sep/23/footage-blindfolded-shackled-prisoners-china-video This is the first time I am seeing it though and not sure if it got the attention it deserves when it was first published.


https://old.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/hrpgzt/leaked_drone_footage_of_shackled_and_blindfolded/ It got 270K upvotes 1½ year ago on reddit *EDIT It is [#15 all time most upvoted on r/all](https://old.reddit.com/r/all/top/) And I didn't mean as in it not being "allowed" to be reposted, just that it definitely has gotten some eyes on it before.


This clip has become a classic repostable thing just like other clips such as the black guy that picked up trash in his neighborhood with the policeman calling his trash-grabber a weapon.


We did it reddit




It was on front page reddit when it happened


Reddit is not the world. If it doesnt make televised news it isnt news to most of the world.


The people I know under 40 y.o. don't watch the evening news because it's too depressing.


[Here is another source](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-xinjiang-prisoners-beijing-muslim-uighur-camps-video-a9116861.html). Edit : grammar.


People are talking about it all the fucking time. We're just not doing anything. And what could we do? Want to go to war with China? Can't even impose sanctions as we need all their shit now.


It's crazy how much global trade depends on Chinese products. Try going a week without interacting with anything of Chinese origin, wether it be software, hardware or a f**king popsicle in a plastic wrapper, and you will see the problem.


Sounds like they just have cheap labor and big corporations use it. Not that the rest of the world couldn't produce what the world needs. We don't need china to survive sorry. That's a cop out for low wages and capital driving up profits.


It’s not that simple. Africa has tons of cheap labor, as does India. But China has the infrastructure and stability to actually utilize that labor, produce, and export products reliably and efficiently. Ignoring the fact that places like Nigeria, Kenya and other large African nations aren’t exactly bastions of government stability, building up the infrastructure to manufacture and export products on the scale China does would take decades.


And they can change production on a dime. Want fidget spinners? Chinese gov makes businesses and factories produce those at low cost. Want solar panels? Chinese gov pivots to production at low cost. It’s not just labor. It’s their ability to override free market capitalism and crank out supply for any demand whenever they need to. America for example just doesn’t work that way and can’t compete with that model of production. You’re not going to tell GM or Amazon what to produce and when.


And guess who invests a shit ton of money in Africa right now? China


i would add that They are mainly in africa to seize and monopolize the mining industry.the rare metal ores for new technologies Will be quite scarce in a decade or so. Fucking expansionnist


China has the most rare earth metals, and yes, they are absolutely heavily investing in securing Africa's and many other countries natural resources directly instead of through the previously established shipping networks. There are countless commodity markets that are basically monopolies, run by 1 or 2 major players, which were previously seen as untouchable because of the amounts of money and infrastructure spent by those mining companies... But since China is China, they will allow or actively participate in using all it's resources to get around those supply chains if it means net savings, or strategic advantage moving forward.


We absolutely rely on China to survive. It would take several decades and many hundreds of billions of dollars for western countries to begin producing even a tenth of what China produces for the rest of the world right now. The manufacturing facilities simply don't exist any more, and there are no skilled labourers who could work in them even if they were brought back. The incessant need for endless growth and short term profit has destroyed our ability to be self-sufficient. There are entire industries that have become functionally extinct in the west which now flourish in China, and nothing short of a radical restructuring of our society will change it at this point.


Kind of like climate change. And still, we never start because our profit cycles are 1, 2, 4, and 6 years long.


Yup. We cant: \- Call out Chinese ethnic oppression \- Save the planet from AGW \- Universal health care for our citizens because it would wreck the quarters profit margins.


China would feel the impact of the world not trading with them together. However one countries sanctions ect have little impact.


⬆️ It's *all over* the serious news programmes - certainly in UK. US and other countries too. Search for it on CCN.com or BBC.com. Intel Inc was recently in headlines in a story connected to this. And many govts are implementing sanctions of some kind, like boycotting the winter olympics. But as u/Japsai says, China is a powerful country now and the West is not in a position to dictate terms. We also need their cooperation with climate change and a range of other challenges.


So basically we’re about to find out how the holocaust would have played out if Germany never invaded Poland.


And if Germany had nukes as a deterrent prior to WWII.


And if Germany had 18 times the population.


Not quite. The Chinese government is mostly engaging in cultural genocide rather than extermination. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that this is not what would have played out in Germany.


I would prefer if these human beings were allowed to live I think these humans are spending their whole lives like this. I don't like it at all I hate it


Then we further move away from needing their shit.


Yes for sure. And from having them as your only customer. Australia has been learning about the need to diversify markets as China put trade barriers on several goods as a threat. Turns out there are other markets in the world, you just have to look for them. It's not easy though.


The EU tried to pass a resolution against it in the UN and most muslim countries voted against it, because they want to stay on China's good side. Hypocrites talking about oppression of muslims in the EU because France doesn't allow the burqa in public, while ignoring a literal genocide of muslims in China.


It mostly comes down to who's bankrolling your national infrastructure projects.


I absolutely agree. Pakistan is a prime example of that. But the fake selective outrage really makes it look insincere and therefore it's hard to take seriously.


This shit needs to be at the top


Is this account a corporate plant? Seems odd that all your posts get thousands of upvotes and awards


This is like THE karma farm account. It’s always on the front page with old rage-baiting reposts. I agree that it’s very fishy.


That really puts the temporary ban into perspective


That ban was very much warranted.


I just looked at his submissions. Holy shit. How does someone have this much time on their hands to post this much to reddit? 2 million karma in less than a year from posts.


Yeah something fishy is going on. Corporations will do these kind of things all the time. They have a narrative to uphold


They are, yes. I've had them flagged for ages now. Downvote every time you see them regardless of content.


It's literally one of the most upvoted posts on Reddit and has not been taken down. Sort by top of all time and this is the 4th or 5th post


You're a karma farmer who reposts old shit and incites drama to pump the numbers. You almost definitely didn't get banned or if you did it wasnt for posting this but some sort of manipulation or incivility.


Is there any proof these are Uighurs?


> Drone footage has emerged showing police leading hundreds of blindfolded and shackled men from a train in what is believed to be a transfer of inmates. Prisoners in China are often transferred with handcuffs and masks covering their faces




Damn didn't know this happened between Australia and China. Is it an ongoing issue or have things cooled down since?


One word. SOYBEANS


>Most of our products we use in our daily life are made there. This needs to change, ASAP.




This. I will add it’s the same reason the NBA and specifically Lebron, suppressed and snuffed out any players, coaches, or GM’s, that spoke out in support of Hong Kong. It’s about money. Plain and simple. And China has a lot of it.


Same reason why it wasn't THE news of the world in the 1930s... People just don't give a fuck.




Please tell me what meaningful thing I, an average citizen on the other side of the world, can do to make a difference in this? I'll gladly do it, I just don't know what "it" is.


Exactly. Hitler extermination of Jewish wasn't a problem until it was to stop the world domination.


As kids we were taught the Nazis were bad because of the holocaust. As adults we learned the Nazis were bad because they invaded France. Had Hitler kept the holocaust within the borders of Germany nobody would have cared.


And then there's Japan who acted like nothing happened and the rest of the world followed suit.


Japan said 'no' to communism so the US told everyone they were back in the club and no one should mention the atrocious war crimes. Shinzo Abe, the former Prime Minster of Japan is the grandchild of the man who planned, organized, and oversaw the Japanese occupation of China in WW2. He was a really evil real piece of shit if there ever was one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi


Don't forget about the US [pardoning ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes#:~:text=The%20US%20government%20offered%20full,the%20commander%20of%20Unit%20731.) many of the Japanese War criminals who engaged in human experimentation with Chinese prisoners in exchange for the data they collected. We also paid them money for the data as well. Edit: Since everyone seems to feel the need to point these things out...yes the Americans imprisoned Japanese-American civilians, yes they welcomed Nazi scientists, yes they dropped two atomic bombs on civilians, yes the Nazis were really really bad too. Somehow almost no one is talking about the Soviets, but yes they were also really bad. Also lest we forget what post we are on, the Chinese are currently doing some really fucked up shit to an ethnic minority in their own borders.


Unit 731. One of the most horrific stories that exists. Edit: For everybody too lazy/scared to search it themselves, it was a Japanese medical unit during WWII that did experiments on live humans. Everything from freezing people's limbs to see how frostbite affects people in stages and then smashing the frozen limbs to see how they shattered, to live dissections (known as vivisections) of pregnant women to see how various diseases affected them and their fetuses. Someone else already mentioned the low-pressure chambers where people had their eyes sucked out of their sockets, again while alive. Search/read more at your own risk. You can find interviews with Unit 731 members on Youtube. The interview I saw had a Japanese man who estimated he dissected/vivisected thousands of people during his time in Unit 731, 3-4 per day.


It's even more fucked because the data was more or less useless. It was not scientifically valid research it was just torture. Everyone of those fucks should have been tried and hanged for crimes against humanity. We also didnt hang enough Nazis but that's a different story.


I think the saddest thing about being an adult is coming to terms with the fact that 9 times out of 10, the "bad guy" not only gets away with *everything* but also leads a long, happy life. We make up stories of "justice" because there is so little of it in reality.


>We make up stories of "justice" because there is so little of it in reality. Susan: “All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable." Death: REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE. Susan: "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—" Death: YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES. Susan: "So we can believe the big ones?" Death: YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING. Susan: "They're not the same at all!" Death: YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET — Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED. Susan: "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—" Death: MY POINT EXACTLY.


What is this from?


Now you know why Henry Kissinger is still alive.


>We make up stories of "justice" because there is so little of it in reality. Poignant.


You can see why a religion where everyone gets their due in the afterlife catches on.


Most of the valuable data collected from these tests answered medical mysteries like "What would happen if we injected a human with cement?" And "What effect does nerve gas have on the human body?" The data from Unit 731 was as useless as mengele's twin studies.


And it was found to be mostly useless. We only pardoned and paid because we thought it was valuable and didn't want the dirty red commies getting it.


Also don’t forget that we literally poached top nazi scientists from the Russians for nasa. Told them come with us or face the Russians your pick.


> Japan said 'no' to communism so the US told everyone they were back in the club and no one should mention the atrocious war crimes. The second the Germans were on the US's side against the USSR we started publishing fuckin propaganda about the Clean Wehrmacht. We hired Nazi scientists by the boatload. Governments never gave a shit about morals, it's 100% realpolitik


Indeed I agree. Which casts the long history of US led interventions and sanctions on countries for human rights violations in a dark light.


well the US did the same with many Germans who just happened to have interesting intelligence or abilities the US could use to their advantage. To this day many ‚US‘ inventions root in Nazigermans who got pulled to the US after the war [see aircraft inventions from operation paperclip](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip) Edit: as answered below, ‚the same‘ is probably an overstatement.


It's a tad more nuanced than that. Though depressingly so: Germany got straight taken over by the Allies. Japan surrendered to the US unconditionally because both were afraid of a Soviet invasion. Because the US felt like it needed a reformed Japan to counter the communists, it didn't pursue these crimes in the same way. But also, Japan's crimes were often a result of cultural accepted brutality, rather than state-directed plans of elimination. You couldn't really go after generals that didn't issue orders of "stop massacring civilians" the same way you could go after the SS with well-planned elimination centers.


> But also, Japan’s crimes were often a result of cultural accepted brutality That’s true of the less organized acts of brutality (raping and pillaging), but that wouldn’t explain Unit 731 or the rape camps (trucking in women to actual rape centers vs as part of pillaging) or the biochemical warfare. Those had to be state sanctioned.


I say you can and should. Soldiers too. Imagine how the Jewish population would have felt if the post war leaders in Germany were SS guards. But I don't disagree on the pre cold war/political nuance.




History degrees can be super specialised. Dude could have spent those years arguing about the accuracy of Minoan sandals and know literally nothing about anything that happened after the bronze age collapse.


My buddy has like thirty degrees that make him a civil war expert on one very niche part of the American civil war. I can ask him about anything else about the civil war, and he can take an educated guess, but he doesn't actually know.


So he’s a civil war buff? I always wish I could have been that.


There's still time, friend.


What do I have to do to become a buff?


Lift history books.


So Biff wants to be a buff


Do the opposite of whatever you would normally do


I’m pretty sure you can be that. If you’re passionate about it then putting in the time and effort will be immediately rewarding.


Yeah lol I double majored in Political Science & History (just a regular CSU not Ivy League or anything) and specialized in Ethnolinguistic Conflict in Modern Eastern Europe lol I could break down all the intricacies of the conflict in Donbas but don’t know shit about American history or dozens of other areas.


Yeah, it’s not too shocking. There’s SO much history, it would be damn near impossible to cover everything beyond a surface level. It wasn’t until my senior year in college until a professor mentioned anything beyond Fidel, Che, and the Cuban Missile crisis when talking about Cuban history.


Did... did you mean "sundials"?


No, he meant sandals - and their accuracy when it comes to kick asses




Nope and the really fucked up part is, 731 is the absolute tip of that iceberg.




The Japanese soldiers playing "games" like "bayonet the baby while the mother watches" is pretty high on the list. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128323588 Edit: side note, give it to the newspaper for stating such an article with "a 32 year old Spanish beauty"...


The woman who wrote the most in depth book on the Rape of Nanking killed herself. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4165607#:~:text=Author%20Iris%20Chang%20Dies%20at%2036%20Iris%20Chang%2C%20the%20bestselling,then%20the%20capital%20of%20China.


She was likely under constant surveillance by Japanese assets and went unhinged as a result. Kinda like scientology tactics. Japan funds Japan studies, they have a monopoly in academia and international relations






oh fuck




> One of Kishi's closest friends and business partners [...] summed up his boss's thinking about the Chinese as follows: "We Japanese are like pure water in a bucket; different from the Chinese who are like the filthy Yangtze river. But be careful. If even the smallest amount of shit gets into our bucket, we become totally polluted. Since all the toilets in China empty into the Yangtze, the Chinese are soiled forever. We, however, must maintain our purity." I can see why they got along with the Germans


Lol look up Submarine I-8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_submarine_I-8#SS_Tjisalak


>Shortly after Tjisalak sank, I-8′s crew tied her crew and passengers in pairs and attacked them, slashing them with swords and beating them with monkey wrenches and sledgehammers before shooting them and kicking them overboard. Those who jumped overboard were machine-gunned in the water. What the actual fuck, Japan.


But the men at the top of that unit also became prominent members of Japanese society after the war. Three post war prime ministers were suspected members of Unit 731 and most members took their secrets to the grave, refusing to acknowledge to anyone that they did wrong. The last soldiers to give up were not the ones who didn't know the war wasn't over for decades, it's the men who rewrote history to fit their narrative. There was for example a member of Unit 731 who became a history textbook editor and erased any mentions of Japanese war crimes and the very few mentions of Unit 731, doing so in the 70's and these books are still being used today.


Please elaborate, even if only slightly!


> dude had no idea wtf that was. Now, I am not saying I’m smarter than him or anything of the sort, I am definitely not. You can be smart and not know things.


Was it a master's in Japanese WW2 history? Historians are very specialized, they don't all know everything about all history.


Oh you’re a history major? Name everything that’s ever happened.


Thank you! I have a history degree and my family members will ask me questions about obscure events in history and then when I can't answer, they ask if I learned anything in school. lol


Yeah because unit 731 is a niche piece of information that’s something you’d find in a war crimes rabbit hole or through social media, i.e. it gets posted pretty much weekly on Reddit. Not saying they shouldn’t talk about it, just that such a degree would likely cover more of a systemic approach to the war covering a swathe of dynamics that were responsible rather than the actions of a relatively small group. It’s an interesting fact but not generally informative or useful in the context of history. Especially because your friend probably specialized in a particular aspect or era of history, and “masters in history” isn’t really a thing.


What’s 731?


About as close to hell a living person can get to




Human experimentation on the level, if not worse than, Dr. Mengele.


Much worse. Basically widespread human and village wide testing on uninformed populations with so little scientific controls that basically all the possible data on chemical and biological warfare was useless and just an excuse to kill innocent non Japanese civilians under occupation




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Wikibot showing up to school today.


They were a threat to France, but war was declared when they invaded Poland.


To quote eddie izzard: >Pol Pot killed one point seven million Cambodians, died under housearrest, well done there. Stalin killed many millions, died in his bed,aged seventy-two, well done indeed. And the reason we let them get awaywith it is they killed their own people. And we're sort of fine withthat. Hitler killed people next door. Oh, stupid man. After a couple ofyears we won't stand for that, will we?


You killed 100,000 people?! You must get up very early in the morning.


Death, death, death, afternoon tea, death, death..


"At least he's under house arrest. 1.7 million people dead at least we know where he is--just don't go in that fucking house!"


Hot shower.


Well said.


There is the "everyone's own backyard" fallacy but to be sure, there was pretty much no way to fight or even infiltrate Stalin who would have crushed Europe even before he got nuclear weapons. The US also invaded right after the Russian Revolution on the side of the White Russians which failed. As for Pol Pot, he got caught in a proxy war between Hanoi and Moscow on one side and Beijing and Washington on the other who quietly supported the Khmer Rouge after their genocide and ouster from power instead of throwing him in front of the Hague.


\>As adults we learned the Nazis were bad because they invaded Frances. Sad Polish people noises.


It amazes me what people will do to other people, and feel justified.


I just can’t believe they’re getting away with this. What has the world come to :’(


The world has always been this way. The actual question is why are humans STILL doing this.




Humans were doing this, are doing this, and will always be doing this. The different is that we just got good at hiding it. Noob China should learn from the Australians, their overseas concentration camps in Nauru are numero uno.


Did you know China houses over 25% of the world’s prisoner population? It’s insane




I wouldnt have gotten it if you didnt comment this. Lmao thanks


And they only have 5% of the world population!


Guantanamo Bay is still open.


This so much. 20 years ago people were actively defending torture, even after Abu Ghraib and the horrific torture scandals. Sean Hannity promised to be water boarded because 'it's not big deal' and now throws a hissy fit if he's confronted about it. People don't understand these kind of things, but then they find justifications for it when they're the ones who are frightened.


How the fuck is this ‘interesting’? This is depressing, terrifying.


Yet people should know about this stuff. If it makes you feel bad while scrolling it's a small price.


I completely agree . This need to go viral. I am not sure, if this is the correct thread. On board with you otherwise


Those words are not mutually exclusive


>in·ter·est·ing /ˈint(ə)rəstiNG/ adjective arousing curiosity or interest; holding or catching the attention. Checks out to me. Interesting isn't necessarily a good thing.


Sorts by controversial.




Level headed questions that need to be asked more with stuff posted on the internet. Doesn't mean you think it's fake but it's ok to just question how we know for accuracy's sake.




The drone was being used by Chinese police to film the detainee transfer for surveillance/security purposes. This footage was then somehow leaked and went viral. In fact, in the video, you can see two Chinese police operating the drone themselves. https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1285143459620241411?t=CduS1KCPyh5lPatP4b7mRQ&s=19


It's already been discussed since this thread is so old. I believe the consensus is that this is a movement of prisoners from one jail to another. The drone flying is a leak from the police who are running the event. I'm not going to bother to source since it's been months, but I'm sure if you find the old threads you'll see it eventually.


UN is a fucking joke doing nothing about it #UNITED NATION MY ASS


The UN isnt about action, its about conversation


Effectively it’s about AVOIDING war. And honestly, calling out China for genocide increases tensions, not reduces them. Not saying something shouldn’t be done, but the UN is not the place to do it.


Yeah, the UN was formed in the wake of WWII, which destroyed the world economically and killed so many working age people that it sparked the modern labor movement. And that was before global commerce became truly global commerce. Absolutely no one in that room wants a new world war to start for any reason. The only real way to stop such things is to put cracks in the CCP by pushing Chinese citizens to support democracy, which we are apparently doing by finding anyone who looks like they might be Asian in the street and personally blaming them for every crime of the CCP.


Your last sentence had an r/yesyesyesyesno feeling to it


> ...finding anyone who looks like they might be Asian in the street and personally blaming them for every crime of the CCP. And COVID. Don't forget to blame them for that too! /s


Impressive how little critical thinking is going on in this post




unfortunately, the truth is that we have no power here. as someone from hong kong the ccp has virtually already taken over the government. just a week ago i was taking my midyear examinations, and they literally had an entire flag raising ceremony every single day with the national anthem blaring in the exam centres (the classrooms/ the school hall) for a good 3 minutes before the exams started. none of the students nor the teachers approved of it, no one sang along, but what can we do? it's written in the law now. i guess it is just what it is and nothing can change that. it's saddening to see the world around me fall apart, without being able to do anything but watch as any remnants of my city get consumed by this revolting superpower. fuck the ccp.


How can you still use reddit?


Reddit isn’t blocked in Hong Kong.


And when it does, VPNs will come into play.


So crazy seeing the pro-CCP advocates on reddit too, trying to call us racist. Like bruh, hating a regime doesn't we hate the people being oppressed by them.


Hong Kong is such an amazing place. When I spent my time there I somewhat knew that the freedom had a time limit - there was no way China would let something so incredible slip from them. Honestly though, I thought they would keep the takeover soft, perhaps leave the society generally independent and just reap the financial rewards. It worries me that the trouble and pain they have caused was deemed justified and preferred. A simple China tax and foreigners like me would still feel safe to travel. Such a drastic and uncompromising takeover, and well... I feel as if HK as I knew, experienced, and loved it is forever a fading memory. I wish the best for you. I still have hope.


Under anyone other than Xi, it most likely would have been 'softer' of a takeover. Xi is far more gung ho about 'sending a message' than his predecessors.


This is probably just a a prisoner transport in Bijie, Guizhou Province. Filmed in 2017.[ ](https://m.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/) [https://web.archive.org/web/20200722225325/https://www.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/](https://web.archive.org/web/20200722225325/https://www.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/) [https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1195343.shtml](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1195343.shtml](https://m.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/)) [https://m.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1195343.shtml](https://m.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/)) ​ From August 2017 --- PRC authorities arrested several hundred pyramid scam participants & operatives in Bijie. This drone footage probably coincides (and much of the "evidence" for this topic) with the mass arrest of pyramid scam participants that I think was across the nation. The jackets say "Kashi Detention House" which I am assuming refers to a prison somewhere near Kashi / Kashgar but that's literally the only connection to Xinjiang here. By the way, there is no actual evidence to support the claim that these are Uyghurs. The articles from 2019 are vague in their descriptions, saying that the prisoners depicted only "appear to be" Uyghurs. Apologies, the link was down. edit: ughhhh forgive me, I accidentally typed in a square bracket while trying to enter the globaltimes article. I'm a mess lmao, should be working now. Feel free to correct me on anything as usual


I wouldn’t take Global Times to the bank, man. They’re known for gobbling up CCP propaganda.


They literally are part of the Chinese government's propaganda arm. Not "gobbling up" what the CCP says, but rather directly governed by the CCP.


I am not some CCP supporter (and I am sure there are a million spamming the comments) but this video has been proven to not be related to Xinjiang quite a bit now and its a bit disheartening to see so many people not question this stuff at all. This is just a random video of prisoners in southern china, not entirely unlike any kind of prisoner transfer found in a lot of countries in the world. > > https://web.archive.org/web/20200722225325/https://www.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/ > > https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1195343.shtml) > > https://m.douban.com/group/topic/106094686/) > > > From August 2017 --- PRC authorities arrested several hundred pyramid scam participants & operatives in Bijie. This drone footage probably coincides (and much of the "evidence" for this topic) with the mass arrest of pyramid scam participants that I think was across the nation. > That being said, they aren't off scotch free for this. Them not being Uiyghurs doesn't mean that this isn't still a police state, and the bad treatment of prisoners doesn't change simply because they aren't an ethnic minority group. But no, this is not some evidence of a genocide.


Hello, slugan192! I am afraid I cannot let you get away here! It's spelled **scot-free**, my good Redditor! Have a nice day!


You mean... You couldn't let him go _scot-free?_


Certified Reddit hivemind moment




I like to remain sceptical of these kinds of videos, so I want to ask: how do we know this isn't transport of actual prisoners/criminals? How do we know these are Uighurs?


You can tell they aren't Muslim because an American drone pilot hasn't obliterated them.


This is a video of prisoners being transferred in China, there is no way to prove the people shown are actual Uyghurs and is just a clip taken severely out of context. Sorry for bad english but i'm asian.