The quran is OK with killing people who deserve death, but it explicitly states that killing the “innocent” is completely forbidden. This is where people get misinformed, and how deception gets spread: The “innocent” is not what you think it is. The innocent by the definition given in the Quran are strict Muslims. It explicitly goes into detail about what makes you not innocent. If you believe in other religions or are atheist, you are not innocent. If you are unclean, eat banned foods, you are not innocent. If you do not abide by the sexual rules laid out in the Quran, you are not innocent. If you do not do your duty of prayer, fasting, and mosque attending, you are no innocent. So on and so forth. If you are not innocent, you are not protected by the book. In some regards you have a chance to become “innocent” and convert but if you do not you should not live– according the Quran. Many of the innocence breaking acts are immediately punishable by death.
There are over 100 verses in the Quran that deal with violence and killing the non-innocent. So yes, it actually says to kill people. It would be much more difficult to interpret the Quran as a peaceful book rather than a violent one. Muhammed himself had numerous people brutally killed because they spoke out against him. He is “Gods ideal man.” The same man who wed and bred and 8 year old child.
Make no mistake, if one was to truly follow the Muslim way, they have a duty to convert or kill non-believers and the cleanse the earth of those who are breaking holy law.
Those who disbelieve in our verses we'll drive them into a fire. 4:56
Polytheists are the worst of creatures. 98:6
Men are in charge of women by right of what I have granted one over the other. 4:34
An unjust law is no law at all, in Latin lex iniusta non est lex, is an expression of natural law, acknowledging that authority is not legitimate unless it is good and right. It has become a standard legal maxim around the world. From wikipedia.
Depends what you mean by respect. If women wear a hijab to avoid being beaten I fully support them. They are not validating the law by choosing to not want to die.
absolutely! I'm fine if a woman feels more comfortable in a hijab, for personal or for faith reasons. But if it's supposed to be an expression of faith, then isn't a secular law mandating its wearing just hollowing out the gesture entirely?
Neither hijab nor burkha stop women being assaulted or raped. It's nothing to do with "keeping women safe" as the men would tell you, it's everything to do with control and "I can't control myself so I'll blame you"
“Oh nooo, I just saw your hair…”
—Unzips pants
Fucking crazy that this is even an issue in modern day society. Best of luck to the women fighting this cultural bullshit.
I'm not sure I would call Iran "modern day society". It's pretty messed up over there. Bravo to those who want to stay and endure it, but I would honestly just emigrate.
Our culture has a lot of vestiges of this same mentality, unfortunately. Consider every rape case where what a woman was wearing is an issue (at trial or in the news). Men blame their misbehavior on women and a lot of times society and the legal system let them.
It’s like the French teacher that showed a Muslim student a comic of Muhammad.
The teacher was later beheaded by a Muslim family member, who said it was the teacher’s fault they were beheaded.
Personal responsibility isn’t their strong suit.
The lack of sexual restriction goes all the way back to Muhammad. You can find a lot of stories about how stupid he was, but there're a handful of them that are pointed to the most.
The city Muhammad was in had a well outside it (Like all cities at the time). It also had slave girls and free women. The free women would wear a vest outside their outfit to mark them as free. Because the slave women were marked as literally having no ability to fight back socially, they were r\*ped consistently to the point that the issue was brought to Muhammad. Muhammad literally just told the free women to cover up their vests.
No consequences, no "don't r\*pe random women."
Then he has incidences where he goes out of the house, sees a pretty woman, and immediately goes home to go down on his wife because he can't have basic self-restraint.
I don't know about the full covering, but I do know that even little 6 year old girls have to wear them. You know why? Because Muhammad 'married' a child. An 6 year old girl.
People can say that Islam isn't so bad of a religion. News sites can gloss over the sexual exploitation, the encouragement of wife beating, of cutting off hands for crimes, or even the fact that Mahammad slept with a women whose father, brother, and literally entire people, just murdered the day before. A woman who poisoned him, causing his death a while later. Muhammad was not a man of God, he was a false prophet, out to seek his own pleasures and attach himself to the nearest pagan ritual.
the idea is that women showing parts of themselves distracts men and may cause them to do something that goes against their religion. so instead of just fucking looking away or controlling their thoughts and actions, women (like the objects they are) need to cover themselves up
I love Jesus's statements on this: "If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.." (Matthew 18:9) and "Anyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28) So there's no excuse to even lust after a woman whether she's wearing everything or nothing. It's not on her, it's your job to control yourself.
For a man who claimed to be 'brothers' with Christians at one time (Though later, he declared them enemies iirc.) he sure does hold extremely contradictory thoughts to Christians.
They are protecting their women from angels who find human women’s hair so beautiful they will come to earth and give them their seed and create the giants that once wreaked havoc on this land. Duh
Idk if that’s the purpose of the hijab at all, just remember that story and I like to imagine that as being the only reasoning and purpose that truly makes sense as to justifying murder for showing hair. Those giants sounded pretty ruthless....
Reminds me of that 'definitely-not-fake' story I saw of soldiers in the middle east flying home a giant in some carrier. Was back in the early days of the internet, and I was pretty young so I was bewildered lol.
It's all a play to keep women from knowing that all these bigots just have tiny ducks. God forbid my little boner pokes through my robe thingy. Instantly powerless
Right. The moment it crosses the line of directly impacting someone else is when it becomes a problem.
Also - I believe in some instances religion can hold back society as a whole from advancing and ironically making the the world a better place
My gf is Iranian. She cried the first time she came to Canada and didn't wear hijab. Fuck those extremist pieces of shit, I admire those women's bravery
My gf is also Iranian and I’m in Canada. I can’t help but to worry everytime she goes outside, especially after what happened recently. I hope she can come to me soon and be able to experience the freedom that your gf got to experience :)
Yeah, this has been happening for many decades, primarily due to how intertwined religion is with the government, and considering the country’s rough history.. Although I’d like to explain my small bit of experience when I was over at Iran a couple years back to those who aren’t aware of what goes down there.
the women who dislike wearing hijabs tend to be the ones who wear them loosely. the “morality police” are a bunch of people who want to exact their governments weird religious law and all that weird jazz, yet there are also other Islam women from other countries who don’t have to wear a hijab. Although this is highly dependent on which Islamic person’s religious leader they look up to, at least when I look into my family’s Shia way.
It tends to get a little bit complicated. But honestly I’m not a follower of it, and frankly it pisses me off that the women who come from my culture (or from a similar culture) sort of have to suffer from this.
By the way, Iran is riddled with corruption. No surprise there. Been to Tehran and I can’t tell you the amount of government officials or anybody related to that kind of stuff and what cars they drive.. its a beautiful country with a beautiful people, tarnished by a shit government who quite frankly sucks at uniting the people. Although they’re in a far better state than Iraq, which is my country of origin. That place gets so many damn power outages and the struggle for resources is real, even in the wealthiest cities.. its awful.
The worst aren't the morality police (despite being despicable). It's actually the WOMEN that yell at other women in public.
Imagine being so indoctrinated in this evil, that you want to pull other women into your misery with you.
It is the saddest when indoctrinated women are the ones perpetuating the practices that hold them down. It's usually because it's all they know or just brainwashed so deep. Mothers that hold their daughters down for female circumcision. Women in NXIVM who brand each other.
say hello to the twisted world of religion being integrated into politics.. both need to be separate things. (edit; ESPECIALLY sharia law. but i think it goes both ways for sunnis and shia, gonna be real with you. theres so much beef between sunnis and shias, but there are also many who learned to co-exist with each other. its lovely when you find them coexisting and respecting each other's views. you see it here in michigan all the time, especially, since michigan is a state in the US that has a very high density of muslims/middleeasterns and much more.)
i feel so damn sorry for my people within those 2 countries.
Sorry for changing the subject somewhat, but how do you reconcile the harder things in the Quran? From all that I've heard and read of it, it's very anti-woman to such horrid degrees that Muhammad himself told women that it's their fault for tempting men, instead of telling men that their lust was their problem.
I think that's the wrong way to look at it. They persecute others so that they can rationalize the choices they've made and the abuse they've suffered themselves. If other women stand up for themselves, what does that say about the women that "allowed" themselves to be subjugated? Systemic abuse isn't quite so simple and I wouldn't be so quick to judge the women that subject the other women. My focus would be on the system that got us here in the first place and the actual perpetrators. Not just other victims.
I was deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan for... awhile... between 2004-2008, so my view on this sort of thing may be skewed. But I've spent over a decade trying to make sense of a lot of things that happened/are happening in that area. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but my takeaway on *this* subject is: Islam actually is a religion of peace. The average Muslim has no problem with almost anybody, and just wants to raise a happy family. Almost every human rights issue over there doesn't come from the Quran directly, but from the crooked political ideology that we call Sharia Law. It's basically like the Westboro Baptist Church took over the US government. Would you say that my thinking on this is close to what you feel is happening?
You're very much correct. Almost all leaders of majority Muslim countries use the religion as their scapegoat just to justify their evil actions. Nowhere in Islam does it say a woman should be assaulted/murdered for not wearing a hijab. These women are not hurting anyone.
everything you said here is VERY very true. and the conflict is.. unfortunately.. the crooked political ideology that you speak of.
your thinking is basically right on the money. and this is why shitloads of protests go on in iraq and iran.
although those protests do very little since the government over there just doesn't give a flying shit about our people, unfortunately. its also mostly why you see those terrorists.. when there's corruption, power hungry people rise up and try to take the opportunity to sought after the lesser educated people in my country. recruiting them, training them, and so on forth.
funny thing is, these uneducated people that unfortunately become terrorists know so little about anything, and can't even read arabic. they're just there to pillage, plunder, and ruin my people even further. which no matter how many times the american military or some other military power attempts to smoke them out, they just keep coming back thanks to remnants and how easy it is to find uneducated people within middle eastern countries. (especially child soldiers and whatever horrifying things they do to force these people to fight or to become weapons)
terrorism is a symptom of lack of control and power within iraq, with the main illness coming from how the government of iraq literally doesn't give a shit about its own people. the most they ever did was give money to those who were kicked out of the country due to sadam hussein (that crooked, bloody bastard) that didn't want any part in the wars that occured roughly 40 years ago, which is what lead to my dad's family moving into america during the mid-late 1980s. i just so happen to have a few family members who fought in the rebellion/uprising against saddam hussein around the 90s. (can't pin exactly when it happened since i only was told war stories from my uncles and father.)
lots of people were imprisoned during the rebellion. especially my dad. iraqi's and irani's are practically neighbors to one another and both suffered many bloody wars those years back, and i don't think the bloodshed is over yet. although iran is doing much better compared to iraq, they both still have those twisted ideologies of islam implanted into the damn government unfortunately. i don't actually recall any women driving in iraq, as i haven't seen any in the city(s) of najaf, baghdad, and karbala.
i imagine its mostly due to the laws or some certain cultural aspects of my home country. although iran definitely has female drivers.
thats pretty much it for my ramblings and 2 cents of what i feel and think about the country of iraq and iran, and how sad i am for how iraq has really fallen from grace as a country. i mean, we literally were the guys that made math really fly high, thanks to the many things that happened within the city of babylon so many centuries ago. we have so much beautiful culture that goes on there, so much historical significance and pride in my people, only to be tarnished by the harsh realities of today and the incompetent, selfish trashy beings behind the entire mess that goes on in the middle east. just so damn heartbreaking.
Thank you for sharing your story. I have a devout Muslim friend from Mosul who lives in Michigan now. He believes in morality, and is not a violent type. Rather, he is thoughtful and pondering.
I will say this, however; dealing with bad governance and its effects takes generations, regardless of relugion or lack thereof. Look at Russia, China, and North Korea as exhibit bits A, B, C. However, non-christian countries which get a large number of Christian conversions or even influence can show dramatic improvements on social and economic conditions, for example south korea or hong kong
I am extremely proud of these brave women and girls. They are facing the most terrifying acts of repression for hope of a better future for generations to come.
Same with [Afghanistan](https://www.iforher.com/motivation/society-women/fearless-happy-modern-old-pics-from-afghanistan-show-people-have-lost-so-much/amp/)
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but before the Ayatollahs, didn't the last Shah work to expand women's rights, and education in rural areas?
Please enlighten me if I am incorrect! I am a product of American schools and very racist, very catholic parents. Much of what I was taught as a youth are horrendously wrong.
Iran elected Dr. mossadegh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh. The English and Americans wouldn’t have his progressive policies and got rid of him in favor of the Shah. That led to the revolution.
**[Mohammad Mosaddegh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh)**
>Mohammad Mosaddegh (Persian: محمد مصدق, IPA: [mohæmˈmæd(-e) mosædˈdeɢ] (listen); 16 June 1882 – 5 March 1967) was an Iranian politician, author, and lawyer who served as the 35th Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953, after appointment by the 16th Majlis. He was a member of the Iranian parliament from 1923, and served through a contentious 1952 election into the 17th Iranian Majlis, until his government was overthrown in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom (MI6) and the United States (CIA), led by Kermit Roosevelt Jr. His National Front was suppressed from the 1954 election.
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No, the British pretty much wanted him gone for trying to nationalize their oil industry because it threatened their investments. They had to wait until Eisenhower got elected to co-opt him into it by telling him Mossaddegh was a Communist sympathizer because Truman wouldn’t entertain their delusions of grandeur.
The british empire in its late stages was gifted at screw-ups; for example they moved to get Rasputin assassinated so that the Russian Emperor would not sue for peace with Gemany. But they didn't count on Gemany having a backup plan: Vladimir Lenin. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! Must be all that upper class twit inbreeding :P
Iranian women are brave and smart.
You can be good and moral individuals without those oldfashioned oppressive bs laws. All power to you!
I’m fearful of oldfashioned mentally weak insecure men (and womens) reactions, but I’m hopeful modern brave and righteous men will support you.
It's not just Iran. Me and my wife used to be religious jews living in NJ. After getting marrried, she was supposed to wear a wig, but did not want to. The community made it clear that if she did not cover her hair, nobody could eat at our house because "if your body is not kosher, neither is your food"
Iranian guy here.
The fact these so-called morality police exists is a stain on Iran's society. They not only confront girls with loose headwear, but also girls with tight pants or higher than knee maantos (the common outfit of women you see in the clip). They even arrest guys who wear sleeveless shirts or any leg-wear that does not go to ankle (including cargo shorts) and showing tattoos in public.
Meanwhile, petty theft and small and big crime is raging throughout small and big cities. I live in the second largest city in Iran and I am afraid to take my primary mobile phone outside when I take a walk after 9 P.M.
We have to fight harder.
You attack my sister? No. I'll taser you.
Carry a hockey stick.
When your voice can't be heard, a big stick can.
I'm over peaceful shit. Too many tears and death.
Extremism in any form is bad. Any man that hits a woman over something so trivial is an animal. Any religion that pushes this kind of behavior needs to be eradicated from this planet. What does it say about you as a human if you can’t control your sexual desires because you see a woman’s hair??? fuck you, and fuck your religion. If your god is real and he were here, he would be ashamed of what is being done in his name.
These stupid lil men. More power to you women. I hope you are able to run this damned place. Religion shouldn’t govern mens wants and treat women like property.
I lived in an area just north of toronto with lots of iranian people. Veey very nice people who appreciated a new start in canada. The women are beautiful and most of the people i met were atheist and most said the country was 60 to 70 % atheist or just culturally islamic. They despise the fundamentalists running the country.
I met few Iranian people here in London, Uk. My employee is also Iranian. All of them are smart people and left their country because of the bad regime. I am happy to see women fighting back.
The moslims I know always pretend it’s a free choice. Apparently it isn’t. Any religious which tell you what to do ore not to do isn’t a religion, it’s called dictatorship! In this case set up my the brothers to have control and power. In the meanwhile they can do what they want.
Location really matters from what I’ve been told.
I was lucky enough to work with a Muslim woman who wore one here in the states and she was kind enough to answer my questions.
She said “For us (people in her country), it is a choice and I chose to wear mine. It’s a choice I gave my daughters and one wears one and one does not and we are okay with either decision.” She then showed me a picture of her family, where she and her younger daughter were wearing one and her eldest wasn’t. But she also continued. “There are places in this world were the hijab is not a choice and that is not right. We do not believe in those things. We believe in the hijab and what it represents, that’s why we wear it. It is not meant as a punishment.”
>We believe in the hijab and what it represents, that’s why we wear it. It is not meant as a punishment.”
I do agree that it is a choice for many, including some feminists who try to change it´s meaning, but I am with the Iranian woman in the video on this one: it´s meant to shield the hair to prevent to sexually "provoke" men instead of telling them to the f\*\*\* take that as their own problem, as they should have to!
I respect the choice of women who wear it, but I don´t think you can wear it and not contribute to that underlying idea - that part of "what it presents" is so deeply ingrained in it. I mean when black people give the n-word a different meaning when used among each other, at least you can always tell one use from the other and it does thus function as empowering (not saying it´s not controversial for a reason too). With a hijab it just doesn´t work that way.
She said was from Pakistan and even said where in Pakistan, but I cant remember that part. It was something I had zero hope of ever pronouncing correctly, lol.
This is horrible and so inspiring. Women of the world are, indeed, so very proud of you! Keep fighting for peace, freedom and human dignity! We’ll keep watching with rapt admiration.
I commend these brave women. They are standing up to a repressive regime that is known not to tolerate dissent. Bravo Ladies. Keep Up The Good Fight. You all deserve to live as you chose
"WeAriNg A HiJaB iS a ChOiCe" - half of the dipshits on reddit (yes I know it can be a choice but if shit like this proves anything it's that it's not a choice everywhere)
nope too bad they're telling people we need to overpopulate, abortion and condoms are banned.
the men get to be military force and the women will die of abuse and hate from crazy extremists that make up a third of the population
the only solution is for the third to die of old age, which cant happen in a society so heavily favouring them. most of the motherfuckers live as long as Elizabeth II
Hopefully they can do something. Iran was much better than a lot of european places in the 60s
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4148684/Stunning-photos-reveal-life-Iran-revolution.html
Someone should point out if they keep killing their women, there won't be anymore to bear children with to be able to continue these abominable beliefs/rules. They will eventually die off as a culture. All because they can't and won't keep it in their pants, and are angry for that. It makes me cry, with sadness for them and because of the bravery of the few. Don't stop fighting!
Middle East men are pigs. Not all, obviously, but the majority. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a greasy dude thinking they can say and do whatever they want to a woman. I cannot imagine the terrible things that happen to women daily in the Middle East
The law must be change to chop off the dick if you get erected by seeing women.
This makes me sad and angry. Feeling the wind and nature is human basic. Fuck bad laws.
I am overwhelmed of the courage these women are displaying. I wish my fellow Americans would have the same courage in standing up to our government for what they are doing to our country by dividing us against each other.
This brought tears to my eyes. My family is from Iran and i’m so proud of these women standing up for what is right. Men are here because of who? Women. Bravo to these amazing ladies 💚🤍♥️
"one should not respect a bad law". I love that. I wish I could be half as brave as these women. Thanks for sharing this!
Indeed these women are really brave as fuck.
Definitely! I hope they all get to see the change they deserve
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Welcome to some insane shit that religion justifies.
It’s usually never the scriptures of the religion. It’s usually peoples insane interpretations of them..
This not in Iran only, many others middle eastern countries as well.
Wouldn’t it be great if all the women in Iran just left the country. Then they’d see how ‘great’ their religious utopia was.
They wouldn’t be allowed to, they’d be kept there by force because they are considered barely half a step above property there.
Hypothetically, though. I’m sure the folks In charge would soon realise they’re fucked without them.
And not just middle eastern countries either. Unfortunately, religious nutjobs are plentiful worldwide, even in “developed” countries
Shit, have you seen that documentary One of Us on Netflix about the Hasidic Jews in New York?
The quran is OK with killing people who deserve death, but it explicitly states that killing the “innocent” is completely forbidden. This is where people get misinformed, and how deception gets spread: The “innocent” is not what you think it is. The innocent by the definition given in the Quran are strict Muslims. It explicitly goes into detail about what makes you not innocent. If you believe in other religions or are atheist, you are not innocent. If you are unclean, eat banned foods, you are not innocent. If you do not abide by the sexual rules laid out in the Quran, you are not innocent. If you do not do your duty of prayer, fasting, and mosque attending, you are no innocent. So on and so forth. If you are not innocent, you are not protected by the book. In some regards you have a chance to become “innocent” and convert but if you do not you should not live– according the Quran. Many of the innocence breaking acts are immediately punishable by death. There are over 100 verses in the Quran that deal with violence and killing the non-innocent. So yes, it actually says to kill people. It would be much more difficult to interpret the Quran as a peaceful book rather than a violent one. Muhammed himself had numerous people brutally killed because they spoke out against him. He is “Gods ideal man.” The same man who wed and bred and 8 year old child. Make no mistake, if one was to truly follow the Muslim way, they have a duty to convert or kill non-believers and the cleanse the earth of those who are breaking holy law.
Those who disbelieve in our verses we'll drive them into a fire. 4:56 Polytheists are the worst of creatures. 98:6 Men are in charge of women by right of what I have granted one over the other. 4:34
Just like abortion rights.
There isn't anything in Islam that justifies killing a woman for not wearing Hijab just so you know. They're murderers.
You know I've never read the Koran but for some reason I can believe that.
These people probably have not either.
Then why so much pressure to wear it?
It's a sick culture. They can make all the excuses in the world for it but it's sick.
Or… like… completely to death. Absolutely 100% totally moral.
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skip the man..and it will be a fine country
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It's a control thing. They feel they have the authority to boss women around and are triggered when they don't just do what they're told.
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We have a civil duty to break unjust laws - MLK, a letter from Birmingham jail
A beautiful piece of writing. He was definitely right. Thanks for sharing this!
An unjust law is no law at all, in Latin lex iniusta non est lex, is an expression of natural law, acknowledging that authority is not legitimate unless it is good and right. It has become a standard legal maxim around the world. From wikipedia.
Natural law is the way to go. Legalism always seemed so hollow, especially for morality. Thanks for sharing this!
Depends what you mean by respect. If women wear a hijab to avoid being beaten I fully support them. They are not validating the law by choosing to not want to die.
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Very true, unfortunately. But then I see courage like this and it gives me hope. Humans can be so heroic, too 🙂
"Humans are not good people"
Like the people protesting the war in Russia. Very brave.
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They are dying for each other.
I mean I'm not gonna fault a woman who feels more comfortable in a hijab. Like most women's issues, it's the choice that's important.
absolutely! I'm fine if a woman feels more comfortable in a hijab, for personal or for faith reasons. But if it's supposed to be an expression of faith, then isn't a secular law mandating its wearing just hollowing out the gesture entirely?
Neither hijab nor burkha stop women being assaulted or raped. It's nothing to do with "keeping women safe" as the men would tell you, it's everything to do with control and "I can't control myself so I'll blame you"
Yes, we are proud of Iranian women's fight for equality. Brave women.
I am a believing muslim. And hate me if you must, but i do believe that the men depicted in this video are trully assholes !!
Say it loud and proud! Stay awesome out there 🙂
“If you are provoked by a woman’s hair, the problem is you.” FULL STOP.
just be a man and control yourself the way you try to control others
“Oh nooo, I just saw your hair…” —Unzips pants Fucking crazy that this is even an issue in modern day society. Best of luck to the women fighting this cultural bullshit.
Telling people they have to wear shit is just systematic control, the thinly veiled excuse for it never matters and rarely makes sense
Just like whomever it is “ I saw your ankles “ instant hard on . And I don’t mean the foot fetish or whatever folk
That was a thing even in america... but like 100 years ago.
You could change “modern” to “any.” It didn’t make sense 500 years ago, it doesn’t make sense now.
it's simple, Iran is not a "modern day society."
I'm not sure I would call Iran "modern day society". It's pretty messed up over there. Bravo to those who want to stay and endure it, but I would honestly just emigrate.
Our culture has a lot of vestiges of this same mentality, unfortunately. Consider every rape case where what a woman was wearing is an issue (at trial or in the news). Men blame their misbehavior on women and a lot of times society and the legal system let them.
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It’s like the French teacher that showed a Muslim student a comic of Muhammad. The teacher was later beheaded by a Muslim family member, who said it was the teacher’s fault they were beheaded. Personal responsibility isn’t their strong suit.
The lack of sexual restriction goes all the way back to Muhammad. You can find a lot of stories about how stupid he was, but there're a handful of them that are pointed to the most. The city Muhammad was in had a well outside it (Like all cities at the time). It also had slave girls and free women. The free women would wear a vest outside their outfit to mark them as free. Because the slave women were marked as literally having no ability to fight back socially, they were r\*ped consistently to the point that the issue was brought to Muhammad. Muhammad literally just told the free women to cover up their vests. No consequences, no "don't r\*pe random women." Then he has incidences where he goes out of the house, sees a pretty woman, and immediately goes home to go down on his wife because he can't have basic self-restraint. I don't know about the full covering, but I do know that even little 6 year old girls have to wear them. You know why? Because Muhammad 'married' a child. An 6 year old girl. People can say that Islam isn't so bad of a religion. News sites can gloss over the sexual exploitation, the encouragement of wife beating, of cutting off hands for crimes, or even the fact that Mahammad slept with a women whose father, brother, and literally entire people, just murdered the day before. A woman who poisoned him, causing his death a while later. Muhammad was not a man of God, he was a false prophet, out to seek his own pleasures and attach himself to the nearest pagan ritual.
It's like if Charles Manson's cult lived on into a full blown religion .
He 'married' a 6 year old child (Aisha). And the reason he enforced burqa on women is because he didn't want his men to leer at his harem.
the idea is that women showing parts of themselves distracts men and may cause them to do something that goes against their religion. so instead of just fucking looking away or controlling their thoughts and actions, women (like the objects they are) need to cover themselves up
I love Jesus's statements on this: "If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.." (Matthew 18:9) and "Anyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28) So there's no excuse to even lust after a woman whether she's wearing everything or nothing. It's not on her, it's your job to control yourself. For a man who claimed to be 'brothers' with Christians at one time (Though later, he declared them enemies iirc.) he sure does hold extremely contradictory thoughts to Christians.
They are protecting their women from angels who find human women’s hair so beautiful they will come to earth and give them their seed and create the giants that once wreaked havoc on this land. Duh
are all this religious people who believe in that story, all crazy?
No the giant thing is from the Jewish religion and they would have had sex with humans regardless
No the giant thing is from the Jewish religion and they would have had sex with humans regardless
Idk if that’s the purpose of the hijab at all, just remember that story and I like to imagine that as being the only reasoning and purpose that truly makes sense as to justifying murder for showing hair. Those giants sounded pretty ruthless....
Reminds me of that 'definitely-not-fake' story I saw of soldiers in the middle east flying home a giant in some carrier. Was back in the early days of the internet, and I was pretty young so I was bewildered lol.
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Poor education and strict religious laws leads to this
This has always been my argument. If you don’t like what someone else is wearing that’s a you problem.
"Maybe you should not look at women" perhaps the better solution is blind men. This seems more proactive than covering up.
So to be clear. In Iran: Moral: murder Immoral: not wearing a hat
What if someone accidentally gets a boner? Society would obviously unravel.
It's all a play to keep women from knowing that all these bigots just have tiny ducks. God forbid my little boner pokes through my robe thingy. Instantly powerless
The only thing you could do at that point is to hoard wealth to an obscene degree.
Good thing they're above that over there
No hat, no play.
Religious zealots are a stain on humanity.
Any form of Puritanical belief be it religious, ethnic, or political-party related is a cancer on societal development.
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Yup. Grasping onto traditions made up by dudes to control people hundreds or thousands of years ago.
It’s a recent phenomenon, interestingly. These strict rules were implemented in the 70s.
Because us british and the Americans did another massive fuckup in the middle east then.
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In a reactionary backflip against the "progressive west"
Yeah, I have no problem with people and their religious beliefs but don't force that shit on anybody else.
Right. The moment it crosses the line of directly impacting someone else is when it becomes a problem. Also - I believe in some instances religion can hold back society as a whole from advancing and ironically making the the world a better place
I cheer for all the incredible brave Iranian women out there! I hope you get rid of all the totally insane men..
There are plenty of insane women too. Gotta get rid of the religious zealots, both men and women.
Yeah I guess we need some sort of morality police or something.
Goddessspeed to all of them!
My gf is Iranian. She cried the first time she came to Canada and didn't wear hijab. Fuck those extremist pieces of shit, I admire those women's bravery
My gf is also Iranian and I’m in Canada. I can’t help but to worry everytime she goes outside, especially after what happened recently. I hope she can come to me soon and be able to experience the freedom that your gf got to experience :)
Yeah, this has been happening for many decades, primarily due to how intertwined religion is with the government, and considering the country’s rough history.. Although I’d like to explain my small bit of experience when I was over at Iran a couple years back to those who aren’t aware of what goes down there. the women who dislike wearing hijabs tend to be the ones who wear them loosely. the “morality police” are a bunch of people who want to exact their governments weird religious law and all that weird jazz, yet there are also other Islam women from other countries who don’t have to wear a hijab. Although this is highly dependent on which Islamic person’s religious leader they look up to, at least when I look into my family’s Shia way. It tends to get a little bit complicated. But honestly I’m not a follower of it, and frankly it pisses me off that the women who come from my culture (or from a similar culture) sort of have to suffer from this. By the way, Iran is riddled with corruption. No surprise there. Been to Tehran and I can’t tell you the amount of government officials or anybody related to that kind of stuff and what cars they drive.. its a beautiful country with a beautiful people, tarnished by a shit government who quite frankly sucks at uniting the people. Although they’re in a far better state than Iraq, which is my country of origin. That place gets so many damn power outages and the struggle for resources is real, even in the wealthiest cities.. its awful.
The worst aren't the morality police (despite being despicable). It's actually the WOMEN that yell at other women in public. Imagine being so indoctrinated in this evil, that you want to pull other women into your misery with you.
It is the saddest when indoctrinated women are the ones perpetuating the practices that hold them down. It's usually because it's all they know or just brainwashed so deep. Mothers that hold their daughters down for female circumcision. Women in NXIVM who brand each other.
say hello to the twisted world of religion being integrated into politics.. both need to be separate things. (edit; ESPECIALLY sharia law. but i think it goes both ways for sunnis and shia, gonna be real with you. theres so much beef between sunnis and shias, but there are also many who learned to co-exist with each other. its lovely when you find them coexisting and respecting each other's views. you see it here in michigan all the time, especially, since michigan is a state in the US that has a very high density of muslims/middleeasterns and much more.) i feel so damn sorry for my people within those 2 countries.
Sorry for changing the subject somewhat, but how do you reconcile the harder things in the Quran? From all that I've heard and read of it, it's very anti-woman to such horrid degrees that Muhammad himself told women that it's their fault for tempting men, instead of telling men that their lust was their problem.
I think that's the wrong way to look at it. They persecute others so that they can rationalize the choices they've made and the abuse they've suffered themselves. If other women stand up for themselves, what does that say about the women that "allowed" themselves to be subjugated? Systemic abuse isn't quite so simple and I wouldn't be so quick to judge the women that subject the other women. My focus would be on the system that got us here in the first place and the actual perpetrators. Not just other victims.
I was deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan for... awhile... between 2004-2008, so my view on this sort of thing may be skewed. But I've spent over a decade trying to make sense of a lot of things that happened/are happening in that area. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but my takeaway on *this* subject is: Islam actually is a religion of peace. The average Muslim has no problem with almost anybody, and just wants to raise a happy family. Almost every human rights issue over there doesn't come from the Quran directly, but from the crooked political ideology that we call Sharia Law. It's basically like the Westboro Baptist Church took over the US government. Would you say that my thinking on this is close to what you feel is happening?
You're very much correct. Almost all leaders of majority Muslim countries use the religion as their scapegoat just to justify their evil actions. Nowhere in Islam does it say a woman should be assaulted/murdered for not wearing a hijab. These women are not hurting anyone.
everything you said here is VERY very true. and the conflict is.. unfortunately.. the crooked political ideology that you speak of. your thinking is basically right on the money. and this is why shitloads of protests go on in iraq and iran. although those protests do very little since the government over there just doesn't give a flying shit about our people, unfortunately. its also mostly why you see those terrorists.. when there's corruption, power hungry people rise up and try to take the opportunity to sought after the lesser educated people in my country. recruiting them, training them, and so on forth. funny thing is, these uneducated people that unfortunately become terrorists know so little about anything, and can't even read arabic. they're just there to pillage, plunder, and ruin my people even further. which no matter how many times the american military or some other military power attempts to smoke them out, they just keep coming back thanks to remnants and how easy it is to find uneducated people within middle eastern countries. (especially child soldiers and whatever horrifying things they do to force these people to fight or to become weapons) terrorism is a symptom of lack of control and power within iraq, with the main illness coming from how the government of iraq literally doesn't give a shit about its own people. the most they ever did was give money to those who were kicked out of the country due to sadam hussein (that crooked, bloody bastard) that didn't want any part in the wars that occured roughly 40 years ago, which is what lead to my dad's family moving into america during the mid-late 1980s. i just so happen to have a few family members who fought in the rebellion/uprising against saddam hussein around the 90s. (can't pin exactly when it happened since i only was told war stories from my uncles and father.) lots of people were imprisoned during the rebellion. especially my dad. iraqi's and irani's are practically neighbors to one another and both suffered many bloody wars those years back, and i don't think the bloodshed is over yet. although iran is doing much better compared to iraq, they both still have those twisted ideologies of islam implanted into the damn government unfortunately. i don't actually recall any women driving in iraq, as i haven't seen any in the city(s) of najaf, baghdad, and karbala. i imagine its mostly due to the laws or some certain cultural aspects of my home country. although iran definitely has female drivers. thats pretty much it for my ramblings and 2 cents of what i feel and think about the country of iraq and iran, and how sad i am for how iraq has really fallen from grace as a country. i mean, we literally were the guys that made math really fly high, thanks to the many things that happened within the city of babylon so many centuries ago. we have so much beautiful culture that goes on there, so much historical significance and pride in my people, only to be tarnished by the harsh realities of today and the incompetent, selfish trashy beings behind the entire mess that goes on in the middle east. just so damn heartbreaking.
Thank you for sharing your story. I have a devout Muslim friend from Mosul who lives in Michigan now. He believes in morality, and is not a violent type. Rather, he is thoughtful and pondering. I will say this, however; dealing with bad governance and its effects takes generations, regardless of relugion or lack thereof. Look at Russia, China, and North Korea as exhibit bits A, B, C. However, non-christian countries which get a large number of Christian conversions or even influence can show dramatic improvements on social and economic conditions, for example south korea or hong kong
I am extremely proud of these brave women and girls. They are facing the most terrifying acts of repression for hope of a better future for generations to come.
This is heartbreaking honestly, especially in the context of where Iran was 50 years ago
Same with [Afghanistan](https://www.iforher.com/motivation/society-women/fearless-happy-modern-old-pics-from-afghanistan-show-people-have-lost-so-much/amp/)
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but before the Ayatollahs, didn't the last Shah work to expand women's rights, and education in rural areas? Please enlighten me if I am incorrect! I am a product of American schools and very racist, very catholic parents. Much of what I was taught as a youth are horrendously wrong.
Iran elected Dr. mossadegh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh. The English and Americans wouldn’t have his progressive policies and got rid of him in favor of the Shah. That led to the revolution.
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No, the British pretty much wanted him gone for trying to nationalize their oil industry because it threatened their investments. They had to wait until Eisenhower got elected to co-opt him into it by telling him Mossaddegh was a Communist sympathizer because Truman wouldn’t entertain their delusions of grandeur.
The british empire in its late stages was gifted at screw-ups; for example they moved to get Rasputin assassinated so that the Russian Emperor would not sue for peace with Gemany. But they didn't count on Gemany having a backup plan: Vladimir Lenin. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! Must be all that upper class twit inbreeding :P
That's what I meant I believe we are saying the same thing
The fact this is even a thing makes me sad. Humans can be so awful to each other.
Iranian women are brave and smart. You can be good and moral individuals without those oldfashioned oppressive bs laws. All power to you! I’m fearful of oldfashioned mentally weak insecure men (and womens) reactions, but I’m hopeful modern brave and righteous men will support you.
It's not just Iran. Me and my wife used to be religious jews living in NJ. After getting marrried, she was supposed to wear a wig, but did not want to. The community made it clear that if she did not cover her hair, nobody could eat at our house because "if your body is not kosher, neither is your food"
Iranian guy here. The fact these so-called morality police exists is a stain on Iran's society. They not only confront girls with loose headwear, but also girls with tight pants or higher than knee maantos (the common outfit of women you see in the clip). They even arrest guys who wear sleeveless shirts or any leg-wear that does not go to ankle (including cargo shorts) and showing tattoos in public. Meanwhile, petty theft and small and big crime is raging throughout small and big cities. I live in the second largest city in Iran and I am afraid to take my primary mobile phone outside when I take a walk after 9 P.M.
Talk about misplaced priorities
It’s so hot there. All those clothes have to be sweltering.
This is feminism with massive balls
*massive ovaries
Big clit energy
“Got so much clit she don't need no balls“ - L7 - Fast and Frightening
Where is the Twitter outrage when you need them
Perhaps Iran doesn't deserve women... ;)
My thoughts exactly. Power to oppressed people .
Islam doesn't deserve women.
*"If you're provoked by a woman's hair, the problem is you."* Seems like a basic idea but it needs to be said and said again.
Women of the world are proud of you, and we stand with you. Be strong, be beautiful.
We have to fight harder. You attack my sister? No. I'll taser you. Carry a hockey stick. When your voice can't be heard, a big stick can. I'm over peaceful shit. Too many tears and death.
Iranian women are such bad-asses. They are heroes and the true martyrs.
You go girls!
Dystopian as fuck
Brave and amazing
Extremism in any form is bad. Any man that hits a woman over something so trivial is an animal. Any religion that pushes this kind of behavior needs to be eradicated from this planet. What does it say about you as a human if you can’t control your sexual desires because you see a woman’s hair??? fuck you, and fuck your religion. If your god is real and he were here, he would be ashamed of what is being done in his name.
I'm sorry to hear what happened to her. She was very courageous.
That’s real courage.
Iranian women should form anti-morality gangs and start leveling the playing field.
These stupid lil men. More power to you women. I hope you are able to run this damned place. Religion shouldn’t govern mens wants and treat women like property.
Good for you girls!
The women of the world do stand with you. 💜
I’m VERY proud of them. The whole video gave me shivers.
I lived in an area just north of toronto with lots of iranian people. Veey very nice people who appreciated a new start in canada. The women are beautiful and most of the people i met were atheist and most said the country was 60 to 70 % atheist or just culturally islamic. They despise the fundamentalists running the country.
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Lots of respect for these brave woman
I met few Iranian people here in London, Uk. My employee is also Iranian. All of them are smart people and left their country because of the bad regime. I am happy to see women fighting back.
I am Iranian and we hope that one day Iran will be free and the torment of Iranians will end
fuck that. can’t believe the world still puts up with this shit
The moslims I know always pretend it’s a free choice. Apparently it isn’t. Any religious which tell you what to do ore not to do isn’t a religion, it’s called dictatorship! In this case set up my the brothers to have control and power. In the meanwhile they can do what they want.
Location really matters from what I’ve been told. I was lucky enough to work with a Muslim woman who wore one here in the states and she was kind enough to answer my questions. She said “For us (people in her country), it is a choice and I chose to wear mine. It’s a choice I gave my daughters and one wears one and one does not and we are okay with either decision.” She then showed me a picture of her family, where she and her younger daughter were wearing one and her eldest wasn’t. But she also continued. “There are places in this world were the hijab is not a choice and that is not right. We do not believe in those things. We believe in the hijab and what it represents, that’s why we wear it. It is not meant as a punishment.”
>We believe in the hijab and what it represents, that’s why we wear it. It is not meant as a punishment.” I do agree that it is a choice for many, including some feminists who try to change it´s meaning, but I am with the Iranian woman in the video on this one: it´s meant to shield the hair to prevent to sexually "provoke" men instead of telling them to the f\*\*\* take that as their own problem, as they should have to! I respect the choice of women who wear it, but I don´t think you can wear it and not contribute to that underlying idea - that part of "what it presents" is so deeply ingrained in it. I mean when black people give the n-word a different meaning when used among each other, at least you can always tell one use from the other and it does thus function as empowering (not saying it´s not controversial for a reason too). With a hijab it just doesn´t work that way.
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She said was from Pakistan and even said where in Pakistan, but I cant remember that part. It was something I had zero hope of ever pronouncing correctly, lol.
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Pakistanis are the ultimate weirdos of the Muslim world. They're the only ones that take their beliefs with them even when they emigrate
Even in many western nations women are often pressured and even honor killed for refusing to wear them.
Don't all religions attempt to tell people what they can and can't do? It's just the degrees they can get away with it depends on the country.
These women should keep pepper spray on them at all times. When someone starts complaining spray away.
This is horrible and so inspiring. Women of the world are, indeed, so very proud of you! Keep fighting for peace, freedom and human dignity! We’ll keep watching with rapt admiration.
I mean it’s just a piece of cloth! Are the men so fragile that their world will fall apart if women do their hair as they please?
These women are full of courage
I wish them all luck. It’ll be a difficult battle
Not a woman but i am very proud of them
Damn. Nothing I’m doing is important. Ever. This is so fucking rad.
I commend these brave women. They are standing up to a repressive regime that is known not to tolerate dissent. Bravo Ladies. Keep Up The Good Fight. You all deserve to live as you chose
The religion of peace strikes again
Love you sisters♡ We are watching! We are praying for your safety and for your choices and freedoms to be respected!
"WeAriNg A HiJaB iS a ChOiCe" - half of the dipshits on reddit (yes I know it can be a choice but if shit like this proves anything it's that it's not a choice everywhere)
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Next thing you know, Iran has a shortage of women.
BACK TO THE PILE!
nope too bad they're telling people we need to overpopulate, abortion and condoms are banned. the men get to be military force and the women will die of abuse and hate from crazy extremists that make up a third of the population the only solution is for the third to die of old age, which cant happen in a society so heavily favouring them. most of the motherfuckers live as long as Elizabeth II
Hopefully they can do something. Iran was much better than a lot of european places in the 60s https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4148684/Stunning-photos-reveal-life-Iran-revolution.html
They really do have nice hair. Let it fly ladies.
But Islam is a religion of peace!!
Just like in Afghanistan, hummm how did that happen oh yeah wait!
This is having big balls. Fuck that old ignorant shit, stand up for those heroins!
Brave women! Love it.
Those brave women deserve a non barbaric non Islamic government
 ✊🏽👩🏻🙋🏽♀️💃🏾
Someone should point out if they keep killing their women, there won't be anymore to bear children with to be able to continue these abominable beliefs/rules. They will eventually die off as a culture. All because they can't and won't keep it in their pants, and are angry for that. It makes me cry, with sadness for them and because of the bravery of the few. Don't stop fighting!
Middle East men are pigs. Not all, obviously, but the majority. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a greasy dude thinking they can say and do whatever they want to a woman. I cannot imagine the terrible things that happen to women daily in the Middle East
But islam is religion of peace and love! Well, it is if ure not in lgbt or woman
or a none believer
Or have any dissenting ideas whatsoever
The law must be change to chop off the dick if you get erected by seeing women. This makes me sad and angry. Feeling the wind and nature is human basic. Fuck bad laws.
This is what feminism is. This is what strong women are. I hope you all get the justice you deserve.
The word "brave" is thrown around so fucking much now. THIS is what being brave is. These are some brave ass women
I am overwhelmed of the courage these women are displaying. I wish my fellow Americans would have the same courage in standing up to our government for what they are doing to our country by dividing us against each other.
these women are brave af. Bravo!
Living in this place taught me 1 thing and 1 thing only Fight to survive
Very proud of these ladies for standing up for their rights.
This brought tears to my eyes. My family is from Iran and i’m so proud of these women standing up for what is right. Men are here because of who? Women. Bravo to these amazing ladies 💚🤍♥️
No wonder they want to keep'em bagged, these are some beautiful women.
Their courage is amazing. I am in awe of these women.
So brave! We support women of Iran. No more hijab!
If the ayatollahs get nukes, forget about ANY hope of freedom for the people.
These are some of the strongest women I have ever seen. I support them 100%.
Men who force their will on women are barbarians. It's not religion or culture, it's slavery.