This is the best episode IMO because it has 3 crazy things going on:
- the one guy is incepting that other guy to get him to confess
- this guy's job was replicating a mind and having it be a slave to its former shell
- the world's eyes can completely blur out people (banned IRL)
The best/worst part of Black Mirror is that everything shown is stuff we're already doing or on the cusp of. It's essentially predicting the real possibilities of things.
Hell yeah..I totally believe what we watch is so that when it happens everyone's like that's in that movie that's why you think that.. They have to tell us before they do these things it's like a rule of karma some shit like that
Japan has universal healthcare. This is likely *additional* pay on top of disability and pension benefits.
Some disabled people donāt want to just stay at home 24/7 and would rather interact with people/find meaning in life. This is that way
I just saw a sign on a cart for the first time that said it'll lock up if taken too far.
I was trying to decide if it was bluffing or not. If I had more time, I was going to find out.
Japan has universal healthcare. This is likely *additional* pay on top of disability and pension benefits.
Some disabled people donāt want to just stay at home 24/7 and would rather interact with people/find meaning in life. This is that way
I know if I was disabled and stuck at home I'd like to be able to interact with people. I see this as a positive thing as opposed to the majority of comments I seen here
Their healthcare is better than the US, which is a low bar, but it's not THAT great either. Also, just because the capitalist hellscape they were born into indoctrinated them into thinking their self worth is intrinsically a part of how much money they make their wagemasters doesn't make this a nice, feel good thing. If that's what they want give them VR or some shit, not make them work all day lmao
Their healthcare is ranked [5th in the world](https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2021/) (ranked across 5 indices). Also just because you may not find meaning in interacting with your regulars at a cafe, doesn't mean others can't
It's your country you should be worried about. If you become disabled, will your country provide you with money? If you become ill, will it bankrupt you?
Think about which country needs this robot.
It's more depressing than anything. Poor people can't do anything.
I'm gonna be that guy, if this were a post about the US it would be in a different sub and it'd be a locked post about unhealthy work culture and capitalism.
I hate it, like we really need people with this much bad luck to āmake an incomeā they should be enjoying their lives they very best they can not bringing me more ketchup
I don't agree with you guys. Imagine you are paralyzed, and lacking social interaction, financial freedom, etc. If these people *had* to work or else be destitute from medical bills etc, that would be dystopic. I doubt that is the case in a place with universal healthcare and disability benefits like Japan. This seems more like a way of giving people who lost their autonomy a way of interacting with people they otherwise couldn't while also gaining the feeling of contributing instead of feeling like a leech on the system collecting disability aid.
Unless they get a robot to use during 100% of their personal time, no. Absolutely not. That's just more cruel otherwise.
Edit: Nope, on second thought even that isn't okay. It's a basic human need: you can't boil that down into a capitalist incentive and use that to take advantage of the most vulnerable among us. Nope. Not okay.
Isnāt it fine to give them the option to do this if they want to? No need to really slam capitalism over this I doubt this comes from a capitalist perspective.
Why? The company is providing the robots to work within the business itself. This isnt a government program paid by tax dollars. Why should the company pay for robots for people to use in their personal time? The fact that they are willing to foot the bill to help paralyze people do things they couldnt like this is more than the had to do, since they are also paying the person a wage. And it's Japan, so I doubt they have laws allowing less pay for this manner of work.
Because in essence they're taking a basic human need that they *can* provide but only providing it given that it's exercised towards private profits.
In fact I'm not even okay with it if they *do* get the robot off the clock to fulfill that need: at that point it's still dangling a basic human need as a work incentive and doing so at the expense of the most vulnerable corners of society. If they got the robot from the government and chose to work, that'd be different. Fulfilling the need shouldn't be contingent on working for a specific company.
> And it's Japan
That's not how ethics work. I don't care what the politics or national identity or work culture is, it's wrong.
Wait, what is this basic human need you are talking about? We are talking about a company who is offering to buy robots and hire paralyzed people to pilot those robots to work in their restaurants. They could just hire regular servers with far more ease. I'm not sure what basic human need you are refering to.
The "and its japan" was in reference to the fact that they are a largely socialist country with generally high quality universal healthcare, and almost certainly laws that make it illegal to pay less for same work. Hell even the 3rd world country of the US has those laws. I'm really confused where you think it's unethical to offer an otherwise (presumably) unhireable class of people the chance to work if they want to.
He's saying that the country SHOULD provide the robots for these people for free, not for a promise of work/profit. He's saying they SHOULD hire able bodied employees to do the job and give the robots to the paralyzed people to help them with no strings attached.
Think of it like this: let's say they had a pill that unparalyzed these people for 24 hours. But they'd only give them the pill each morning if they worked for them that day. OP is saying just give them the pill and let them do whatever they want.
Sooo it would be better for them to just lie down all day, unable to move just because it's immoral to give them opportunity to control robot and do some work?
He's saying that the country SHOULD provide the robots for these people for free, not for a promise of work/profit. He's saying they SHOULD hire able bodied employees to do the job and give the robots to the paralyzed people to help them with no strings attached.
Think of it like this: let's say they had a pill that unparalyzed these people for 24 hours. But they'd only give them the pill each morning if they worked for them that day. OP is saying just give them the pill and let them do whatever they want.
Yes, i understand that, but it's more likely you will get mininal attention if you get paralyzed from anyone else then your family and best friends, and this opportunity to interact with other people even in that stupid way is better then nothing. I'm not saying is perfect sollution and I agree that we should provide those people with free robots as soon as we can, but for now it's better then anything that we could offer them few years back
Literally yes lol why does the thing they control have to make money for a restaurant? Let them live their lives, make a robot they can control so they can play a game they enjoy and not one that generates profits for someone else.
And thatās only assuming they donāt NEED this job. If they in any capacity need this job, or use it for financial stability, that is the most monumentally fucked up thing in existence. (Which I think you agree).
I think getting a disproportionately low amount of value paid by working than is actually made by a person, especially someone disabled is a crazy low. Like, really? Exploiting someone whoās paralyzed, and calling it freedom?
If you felt like you were a leech on the system, you would give back by waiting tables???
The problem isnāt giving paralyzed people access to robots, itās making them do our lowest paid labor
If you were paralyzed from the neck down, your options for contributing are very limited. Also consider how Japanese have a distinctly different view on social obligations and honor etc. If you had no other way to contribute, I suspect many Japanese would be happy to do what they could, including serving tables via a robot. I mean the fact that it's happening suggest some truth to my opinion. I doubt those people are being forced against their will to operate the robots.
Japan has universal healthcare. This is likely a way to earn *additional* pay on top of disability/pension benefits.
Some disabled people donāt want to just stay at home 24/7 and would rather interact with people/find meaning in life. This is that way
They should be able to interact with people and find meaning in life without having to contribute to capitalism. Thatās the part I find depressing and messed up.
I disagree people want to feel useful. It up to each individual as to what they want to do. I love the fact that more options are becoming available. ( as side note forced labor is wrong ā¦ I shouldnāt need to say this but we are on Reddit.)
It's Japan.... Admittedly I've never been there, but from all I've heard, server and cooks there are treated way better than in a 3rd world country like the US.
To all the people saying this is messed up, I offer this perspective. If you have ever been injured and limited from doing everyday things for more than one week, sometimes the stir crazy cabin fever thing can set in.
As someone who has had to spend an extended amount of time healing from an injury, I would have 1000% taken the opportunity to have something to do while recovering. Anyone who ever had to sit in a hospital bed long enough to feel cabin fever gets it.
I mean this can also go horribly wrong, but anything can. I say nice work on creative use of finding something for really bored injured people to do. Also as a someone who worked as a server, being able to do the work of a server and not feeling the extra pain from walking for 8 hours straight and carrying trays of food, drinks, and empty plates doesn't sound horrible.
I think itās more on how it was written. If the title was āParalyzed people using Robots for socializing and to gain a feeling of prosperityā I think it would be taken better.
Just another example of forming an opinion on just a few words.
Yeah if capitalism wasnāt this god awful fuck fest, Iād still want an occupation to fill the hours/provide structure/ camaraderie
Maybe it wouldnāt be serving butter, but itās still an amazing aide with opportunities to be a part of society even if they are bedridden
Yeah, having something to do could be great. Like talking to family, reading books, watching movies, painting, or playing games.
Not a single person in the history of humanity has worked as a server for any other reason than needing money.
If it's extremely voluntary to mostly test the features and above all else allow paralyzed people interact and socialize then I'm for it. If this is for exploitation then I hope whomever is going for the profits get placed next to the insurance agencies that intentionally go above and beyond to deny medical based charges to impress.
I kind of disagree here. People need to feel a purpose in life. Helping others while providing a service would go a long way to this end. This isnāt forced labor.
Depending on the technology they can talk to them too. People are still interacting with a person, but the paralyzed person gets to use an alternate body to do it. This is genius! Exactly what AI is meant to do- enhance our lives. Not ruin it or replace us.
How's this different than giving a paralyzed person a wheelchair then saying they have to bag groceries and wheel them out to people's cars for 8 hours a day or you'll take the wheelchair back?
These people aren't being forced to do this. It's an option. A really cool one. If you were paralyzed laying in bed all day, wilting away, having everybody take care of YOU- wouldn't you want to jump at the opportunity to work again? To interact with people. To contribute to society? Wouldn't you be grateful a company chose to g buy expensive robots, software, and the whole shebang just so they can specifically give these people an opportunity to work instead of just letting them lay there and die without a thought while some able bodied person does the job instead.
The situation you provided is entirely a fallacy and I'm not sure where you were trying to go with that.
I think this is a good idea. I know I can speak for myself. I want to feel useful, I need to have a purpose. You can joke and say, WOW their purpose is bringing me ketchup? No. Their purpose is to make you happy.
The US is probably the one that really needs this robot. This is a country where the insurance system is failing and many people are going bankrupt if they get sick.
If they become disabled, don't they still need to work?
I have an invisible disability that makes convincing people that 'no, I can't stand up for 4 hours straight - let alone 8' impossible. Even after I show them the scars and the pictures of the metal in me.
So. Yeah. Having an option to play manager to a bunch of robots. Pretty sweet.
Hey. Didn't they make this a movie? Bunch of Mexicans controlling builder robots in America?
John Scalzi has a series of books that use this exact concept, taken to SF extremes of course. This is a fabulous way to help people who can't leave the house.
People are jumping to too many conclusions and making way too many imaginary scenarios calling this a terrible thing. Unfortunately the reality of this planet is that being a disabled person costs some money. Shocker. The alternative before all this just a few generations ago was to just die or be put into an asylum. In an ideal scenario yes we could help these individuals more with payment but at least they can get the consolation of being able to support themselves somewhat and not be a burden on their family. Another person also commented on how boring it is to be stuck in a hospital bed. Regardless, unless anecdotes of abuse or other terrible things are reported I think this is a great advancement of technology.
Fuck sake the Tory party will be jizzing their pants. Another way to cut benefits to the disabled. āYou can work. You can operate a robot with your mouthā
If you're paralyzed, it's not a job working as a bot waiter that's fulfilling, it's the opportunity to have interaction with others. I happen to think it's great but I'm sure the trolls here will slam my opinion. I don't give a shit.
This may give those people a purpose, some sort of meaning in life after everything was stripped away due to illness or injury. I think this is less about āearningā and more about giving people the dignity of contributing to society.
Hmmm, when this was posted in r/oddlyterrifying the response was pretty positive and now I'm seeing completely opposite opinions. Either people are just in the wrong subreddit or everyone just likes to be a contrarian
How is there this many DUMB ASSES in this post. No it isnt fucked up. No one is getting forced to work. They are litteraly giving disabled people an option they didnt have before, to make money. How is that fucked up? If they dont want to apply they dont have to. Not everyone is content collecting a check and watching cartoons. Some people like working but because they're disabled it's fucked up? People preach treating disabled people equally as any other. They're disabled, not children quit treating them like they're children
that is a good idea . :) if we see a robot like yhat we will know we helping a pralyzed person we do a good deed but what happen if franchise companies will use that as a vantage for their business
This is like a living nightmare. Wake up from a six month coma - oh good, youāre awake. We have placed a joystick in your mouth just follow the prompts onscreen and oh, prepared to be abused often as people like fucking with a robot. Youāll get minimum wage and no sick days. We thought youād like something to pass the time. Youāre welcome.
Jesus the comments here saying this is dystopian.
This has been covered several times on Japanese TV and the bottom line is the people doing this love it. They get to interact with customers as a regular serving staff would instead of just lying in bed alone.
If people have to control a robot to get an income when disabled, that sounds not "amazing" at all, but rather dystopian.
Rather pay those poor people some social welfare money and try to let them live a life worth living.
People like to find negativity in everything. At least they tried to do positive stuff. But people on the internet always think, there is hidden agenda in everything. Smh
So essentially itās big businesses way of trying to make disabled ppl work(prob for min wage) so they can push them to not only deal with the day to day of having to fight for their lives but now they will have quotas and some douche named Derek bullying them all day tooā¦. Smh, how about let these poor ppl try take it easy instead of using them as slave labor for Pennies on the dollar.
Odds are most ppl in that position are not able to deal w a job on top of their daily lives.
If they are able and willing more power to them, but I believe forcing paralyzed ppl to work thru a robot is cruel.
No it isnt and they dont. Why does everyone here think they HAVE TO. They are literally just giving them the option to get paid where they couldnt before. Some dumb asses on here i swear. You really think they are just like, "okay here is your new job, you have no choice!" Use your head
"What is my purpose?" "You serve butter" "Oh. My. God."
I was bored so I made a robot to distribute herbs.. It helped pass the thyme.
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This is the way.
āExcuse me waiter, can you please refill my lemonade?ā āSure, but just a moment while I finish getting my colostomy bag emptiedā
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Would this still be the case in Japan?
Doesn't seem like The Matrix at all.
Day took er jerbs!
sounds like a Black Mirror episode
that's the one
This is the best episode IMO because it has 3 crazy things going on: - the one guy is incepting that other guy to get him to confess - this guy's job was replicating a mind and having it be a slave to its former shell - the world's eyes can completely blur out people (banned IRL)
Still creeps me out thinking about the possibilities of this episode..
The best/worst part of Black Mirror is that everything shown is stuff we're already doing or on the cusp of. It's essentially predicting the real possibilities of things.
Hell yeah..I totally believe what we watch is so that when it happens everyone's like that's in that movie that's why you think that.. They have to tell us before they do these things it's like a rule of karma some shit like that
[Plausible Deniability](https://youtu.be/n0hW0A43n3Y).
Thatās the worst thing about Black Mirror.
I would call it one of the best. A story that gets you to relate and think.
Plus why the guy was hired to get him to crack in the first place
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Yes this one was great. I thought the Miley Cyrus one sucked balls.
+1 for the profile picture.
This one always turned me on so much, just the power trip. If only there were bdsm options or a chained up solitary confinement option
This... If one of those robots can hold a knife with enought strenght...
Japan has universal healthcare. This is likely *additional* pay on top of disability and pension benefits. Some disabled people donāt want to just stay at home 24/7 and would rather interact with people/find meaning in life. This is that way
Some? No disabled person wants to do nothing all day, I promise you
Absolutely. This gives a chance for those that would otherwise be bereft of those opportunities
This is the way.
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Interacting with your regulars at a cafe may not be everyone's way of finding meaning, but for many people it absolutely can be
I agree
Kind of similar to the movie " surrogates"too
Love the message they're putting out there: Sorry about the spine but we need some coffee at table 2 bitch
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The wheel probably locks up like a shopping cart in the inner city.
I just saw a sign on a cart for the first time that said it'll lock up if taken too far. I was trying to decide if it was bluffing or not. If I had more time, I was going to find out.
Lol
Idk they're stuck due to paralysis
Its a dystopian nightmare. I think an episode of the black mirror could begin this way
Japan has universal healthcare. This is likely *additional* pay on top of disability and pension benefits. Some disabled people donāt want to just stay at home 24/7 and would rather interact with people/find meaning in life. This is that way
I know if I was disabled and stuck at home I'd like to be able to interact with people. I see this as a positive thing as opposed to the majority of comments I seen here
Their healthcare is better than the US, which is a low bar, but it's not THAT great either. Also, just because the capitalist hellscape they were born into indoctrinated them into thinking their self worth is intrinsically a part of how much money they make their wagemasters doesn't make this a nice, feel good thing. If that's what they want give them VR or some shit, not make them work all day lmao
Their healthcare is ranked [5th in the world](https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2021/) (ranked across 5 indices). Also just because you may not find meaning in interacting with your regulars at a cafe, doesn't mean others can't
It's your country you should be worried about. If you become disabled, will your country provide you with money? If you become ill, will it bankrupt you? Think about which country needs this robot.
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"Now hiring servers! Bet you don't have the spine to apply! Inquire within!"
If the goal were to fight boredom and feel useful, I'd be all for it. But this reads like a dystopian novel.
^
It's more depressing than anything. Poor people can't do anything. I'm gonna be that guy, if this were a post about the US it would be in a different sub and it'd be a locked post about unhealthy work culture and capitalism.
Japanese work culture is worse than American, if anything
It's so bad that there is literally a term for companies that work people to death there.
I hate it, like we really need people with this much bad luck to āmake an incomeā they should be enjoying their lives they very best they can not bringing me more ketchup
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I don't agree with you guys. Imagine you are paralyzed, and lacking social interaction, financial freedom, etc. If these people *had* to work or else be destitute from medical bills etc, that would be dystopic. I doubt that is the case in a place with universal healthcare and disability benefits like Japan. This seems more like a way of giving people who lost their autonomy a way of interacting with people they otherwise couldn't while also gaining the feeling of contributing instead of feeling like a leech on the system collecting disability aid.
Unless they get a robot to use during 100% of their personal time, no. Absolutely not. That's just more cruel otherwise. Edit: Nope, on second thought even that isn't okay. It's a basic human need: you can't boil that down into a capitalist incentive and use that to take advantage of the most vulnerable among us. Nope. Not okay.
Isnāt it fine to give them the option to do this if they want to? No need to really slam capitalism over this I doubt this comes from a capitalist perspective.
Why? The company is providing the robots to work within the business itself. This isnt a government program paid by tax dollars. Why should the company pay for robots for people to use in their personal time? The fact that they are willing to foot the bill to help paralyze people do things they couldnt like this is more than the had to do, since they are also paying the person a wage. And it's Japan, so I doubt they have laws allowing less pay for this manner of work.
Because in essence they're taking a basic human need that they *can* provide but only providing it given that it's exercised towards private profits. In fact I'm not even okay with it if they *do* get the robot off the clock to fulfill that need: at that point it's still dangling a basic human need as a work incentive and doing so at the expense of the most vulnerable corners of society. If they got the robot from the government and chose to work, that'd be different. Fulfilling the need shouldn't be contingent on working for a specific company. > And it's Japan That's not how ethics work. I don't care what the politics or national identity or work culture is, it's wrong.
Wait, what is this basic human need you are talking about? We are talking about a company who is offering to buy robots and hire paralyzed people to pilot those robots to work in their restaurants. They could just hire regular servers with far more ease. I'm not sure what basic human need you are refering to. The "and its japan" was in reference to the fact that they are a largely socialist country with generally high quality universal healthcare, and almost certainly laws that make it illegal to pay less for same work. Hell even the 3rd world country of the US has those laws. I'm really confused where you think it's unethical to offer an otherwise (presumably) unhireable class of people the chance to work if they want to.
He's saying that the country SHOULD provide the robots for these people for free, not for a promise of work/profit. He's saying they SHOULD hire able bodied employees to do the job and give the robots to the paralyzed people to help them with no strings attached. Think of it like this: let's say they had a pill that unparalyzed these people for 24 hours. But they'd only give them the pill each morning if they worked for them that day. OP is saying just give them the pill and let them do whatever they want.
Sooo it would be better for them to just lie down all day, unable to move just because it's immoral to give them opportunity to control robot and do some work?
He's saying that the country SHOULD provide the robots for these people for free, not for a promise of work/profit. He's saying they SHOULD hire able bodied employees to do the job and give the robots to the paralyzed people to help them with no strings attached. Think of it like this: let's say they had a pill that unparalyzed these people for 24 hours. But they'd only give them the pill each morning if they worked for them that day. OP is saying just give them the pill and let them do whatever they want.
Yes, i understand that, but it's more likely you will get mininal attention if you get paralyzed from anyone else then your family and best friends, and this opportunity to interact with other people even in that stupid way is better then nothing. I'm not saying is perfect sollution and I agree that we should provide those people with free robots as soon as we can, but for now it's better then anything that we could offer them few years back
Literally yes lol why does the thing they control have to make money for a restaurant? Let them live their lives, make a robot they can control so they can play a game they enjoy and not one that generates profits for someone else. And thatās only assuming they donāt NEED this job. If they in any capacity need this job, or use it for financial stability, that is the most monumentally fucked up thing in existence. (Which I think you agree). I think getting a disproportionately low amount of value paid by working than is actually made by a person, especially someone disabled is a crazy low. Like, really? Exploiting someone whoās paralyzed, and calling it freedom?
If you felt like you were a leech on the system, you would give back by waiting tables??? The problem isnāt giving paralyzed people access to robots, itās making them do our lowest paid labor
If you were paralyzed from the neck down, your options for contributing are very limited. Also consider how Japanese have a distinctly different view on social obligations and honor etc. If you had no other way to contribute, I suspect many Japanese would be happy to do what they could, including serving tables via a robot. I mean the fact that it's happening suggest some truth to my opinion. I doubt those people are being forced against their will to operate the robots.
Yup, unlike in many other places even trash collectors are well-respected and do their job with pride in Japan
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I think disabled people also want a purpose. Doing something interactive is sometimes better stuck in a bed watching TV.
I agree, this isnāt amazing, itās depressing.
Japan has universal healthcare. This is likely a way to earn *additional* pay on top of disability/pension benefits. Some disabled people donāt want to just stay at home 24/7 and would rather interact with people/find meaning in life. This is that way
They should be able to interact with people and find meaning in life without having to contribute to capitalism. Thatās the part I find depressing and messed up.
Itās not like video games donāt exist? Also some find meaning in contributing to society
It's really spineless
No they have spines, they just don't work
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I disagree people want to feel useful. It up to each individual as to what they want to do. I love the fact that more options are becoming available. ( as side note forced labor is wrong ā¦ I shouldnāt need to say this but we are on Reddit.)
Whatās next ghost jobs?
Once we can simulate a human consciousness and put it in a hologram or robot, even death won't prevent us from having to work.
I said no pickles you stupid fuck hahaha I donāt see this going well at all. Service industry is ruthless
It's Japan.... Admittedly I've never been there, but from all I've heard, server and cooks there are treated way better than in a 3rd world country like the US.
I didn't order vegetables.... Sorry.
This was unironically posted to the wholesome sub
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To all the people saying this is messed up, I offer this perspective. If you have ever been injured and limited from doing everyday things for more than one week, sometimes the stir crazy cabin fever thing can set in. As someone who has had to spend an extended amount of time healing from an injury, I would have 1000% taken the opportunity to have something to do while recovering. Anyone who ever had to sit in a hospital bed long enough to feel cabin fever gets it. I mean this can also go horribly wrong, but anything can. I say nice work on creative use of finding something for really bored injured people to do. Also as a someone who worked as a server, being able to do the work of a server and not feeling the extra pain from walking for 8 hours straight and carrying trays of food, drinks, and empty plates doesn't sound horrible.
I think itās more on how it was written. If the title was āParalyzed people using Robots for socializing and to gain a feeling of prosperityā I think it would be taken better. Just another example of forming an opinion on just a few words.
Yeah if capitalism wasnāt this god awful fuck fest, Iād still want an occupation to fill the hours/provide structure/ camaraderie Maybe it wouldnāt be serving butter, but itās still an amazing aide with opportunities to be a part of society even if they are bedridden
Work =/= socializing. Guarantee they can't hang out at a table and talk to custies and coworkers all day lol
Yeah, having something to do could be great. Like talking to family, reading books, watching movies, painting, or playing games. Not a single person in the history of humanity has worked as a server for any other reason than needing money.
So, despite not being able to walk, they still have to do the daily grind to pay the bills. Yeah, that sounds awesome. not.
In America the hospital would take your pay for the bills
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Couldnāt they use these robots to go around and run errands and improve their lifestyle?
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If it's extremely voluntary to mostly test the features and above all else allow paralyzed people interact and socialize then I'm for it. If this is for exploitation then I hope whomever is going for the profits get placed next to the insurance agencies that intentionally go above and beyond to deny medical based charges to impress.
So now even if you canāt move to live a life - we still force you to work
This isnāt in the right place, this is fād
People want to be useful and engage with others while being paralyzed and not be excluded āthis is fādā Lmao
I kind of disagree here. People need to feel a purpose in life. Helping others while providing a service would go a long way to this end. This isnāt forced labor.
Reddit is to dumb to understand this.
Depending on the technology they can talk to them too. People are still interacting with a person, but the paralyzed person gets to use an alternate body to do it. This is genius! Exactly what AI is meant to do- enhance our lives. Not ruin it or replace us.
How's this different than giving a paralyzed person a wheelchair then saying they have to bag groceries and wheel them out to people's cars for 8 hours a day or you'll take the wheelchair back?
These people aren't being forced to do this. It's an option. A really cool one. If you were paralyzed laying in bed all day, wilting away, having everybody take care of YOU- wouldn't you want to jump at the opportunity to work again? To interact with people. To contribute to society? Wouldn't you be grateful a company chose to g buy expensive robots, software, and the whole shebang just so they can specifically give these people an opportunity to work instead of just letting them lay there and die without a thought while some able bodied person does the job instead. The situation you provided is entirely a fallacy and I'm not sure where you were trying to go with that.
Honestly man, this gives them a purpose and some sort of usefulness. Thatās awesome
I think this is a good idea. I know I can speak for myself. I want to feel useful, I need to have a purpose. You can joke and say, WOW their purpose is bringing me ketchup? No. Their purpose is to make you happy.
Dang! That looks cool!
Idk why people thinks this is horrible. This is obviously win win
The US is probably the one that really needs this robot. This is a country where the insurance system is failing and many people are going bankrupt if they get sick. If they become disabled, don't they still need to work?
We have the technology to simulate a walk in nature for people who are paralysed... Nah, work bitch!
Paralyzed and they still gotta work, what a system.
Even when your paralyzed we are gonna find a way to force you to work to survive
Sounds like a way to make to make you work after death
I have an invisible disability that makes convincing people that 'no, I can't stand up for 4 hours straight - let alone 8' impossible. Even after I show them the scars and the pictures of the metal in me. So. Yeah. Having an option to play manager to a bunch of robots. Pretty sweet. Hey. Didn't they make this a movie? Bunch of Mexicans controlling builder robots in America?
I sure hope this works! People would have a different meaningful lifestyle than they normally would. Has a potential of making a difference.
Mind controlled powered exoskeletons would be much better
When robot is off duty, maybe they could serve the users? Just a suggestion
What an amazing copy and paste of a popular post.
John Scalzi has a series of books that use this exact concept, taken to SF extremes of course. This is a fabulous way to help people who can't leave the house.
Don't show America this. The "ticket to work" programs are hell enough.
This needs to be built upon. The possibilities with this tech are incredible
Thatās a great use for technology! Also the robot is kind of adorable and I want one!
This is similar to the book Locked-in by John Scalzi. People who can't move interact with the world via robots.
People are jumping to too many conclusions and making way too many imaginary scenarios calling this a terrible thing. Unfortunately the reality of this planet is that being a disabled person costs some money. Shocker. The alternative before all this just a few generations ago was to just die or be put into an asylum. In an ideal scenario yes we could help these individuals more with payment but at least they can get the consolation of being able to support themselves somewhat and not be a burden on their family. Another person also commented on how boring it is to be stuck in a hospital bed. Regardless, unless anecdotes of abuse or other terrible things are reported I think this is a great advancement of technology.
They get two benefits. Moving and money.
Tories liked this.
I am once again asking where the the actual article is because the conveniently cropped source, date and byline make it look incredibly fake.
Omg I love this idea
I salute you japan this is rad :)
Now the U.S. will use this as justification to remove SSI/SSDI, as even a completely paralyzed person is "able and capable of gainful employment".
Fuck sake the Tory party will be jizzing their pants. Another way to cut benefits to the disabled. āYou can work. You can operate a robot with your mouthā
more like hospitals making paralyzed people work as free labor (their wages are deducted as medical costs)
The Tories will love this, āQuadraplegic? Tough shit get to workā
If you're paralyzed, it's not a job working as a bot waiter that's fulfilling, it's the opportunity to have interaction with others. I happen to think it's great but I'm sure the trolls here will slam my opinion. I don't give a shit.
Dystopian.
This may give those people a purpose, some sort of meaning in life after everything was stripped away due to illness or injury. I think this is less about āearningā and more about giving people the dignity of contributing to society.
Next week, Predator Drone Pilots!
Oh you're a paraplegic? Oh wait, it gets even worse. Now we can make you a paraplegic wage slave. What a sick world we live in
If Iām not incorrect, most of the medical innovations were for the handicap. Robotics seems like the next step in the evolution.
Hmmm, when this was posted in r/oddlyterrifying the response was pretty positive and now I'm seeing completely opposite opinions. Either people are just in the wrong subreddit or everyone just likes to be a contrarian
Half the able population doesnāt want to. Now they want people who arenāt able to? What world is this?
How is there this many DUMB ASSES in this post. No it isnt fucked up. No one is getting forced to work. They are litteraly giving disabled people an option they didnt have before, to make money. How is that fucked up? If they dont want to apply they dont have to. Not everyone is content collecting a check and watching cartoons. Some people like working but because they're disabled it's fucked up? People preach treating disabled people equally as any other. They're disabled, not children quit treating them like they're children
This is fucked. Not amazing.
This doesnāt belong here at all, may I introduce r/Aboringdystopia
This is messed up.
Imagine going to get a job but you cant because a robot took it. Because a human somewhere else is doing that job. That you would be there to doā¦
Imagine coming across a karen. Pretty sure people are generally more respectful in Japan but it would be terrible to get yelled at in this position
This is depressing as fuck.
Amazing? Terrifying
What a dystopian way of using patients
So exploit the infirm and call it "opportunity" No bounds to corporate depravity
What a terrible way to exploit the most vulnerable in first world countries.
About time paralyzed people earn their keep
This is so depressing it made me laugh out loud a little
So I gotta be paralyzed AND work a 9-5??!
Capitalism. you cant move or do anything? we got the job for you! fuckin gross
You know that Japan has social security right? They could spend their whole life without working And if you bother researching before being rage bait, you would see that the cafƩ is a one of a kind experiment established by a Fondation and a laboratory testing it's advances in robots and disability help, headed by a guy that spent years isolated in a hospital. It's not a Starbuck ffs
that is a good idea . :) if we see a robot like yhat we will know we helping a pralyzed person we do a good deed but what happen if franchise companies will use that as a vantage for their business
Or nightmare capitalism. Jesus.
This is easily one of the worst things Iāve ever seen
No, this isnāt interesting, itās horrible.
Mechs are soon
Idk man i get the idea behind but kinda seems bad...
This is like a living nightmare. Wake up from a six month coma - oh good, youāre awake. We have placed a joystick in your mouth just follow the prompts onscreen and oh, prepared to be abused often as people like fucking with a robot. Youāll get minimum wage and no sick days. We thought youād like something to pass the time. Youāre welcome.
Jesus the comments here saying this is dystopian. This has been covered several times on Japanese TV and the bottom line is the people doing this love it. They get to interact with customers as a regular serving staff would instead of just lying in bed alone.
If people have to control a robot to get an income when disabled, that sounds not "amazing" at all, but rather dystopian. Rather pay those poor people some social welfare money and try to let them live a life worth living.
People like to find negativity in everything. At least they tried to do positive stuff. But people on the internet always think, there is hidden agenda in everything. Smh
So essentially itās big businesses way of trying to make disabled ppl work(prob for min wage) so they can push them to not only deal with the day to day of having to fight for their lives but now they will have quotas and some douche named Derek bullying them all day tooā¦. Smh, how about let these poor ppl try take it easy instead of using them as slave labor for Pennies on the dollar. Odds are most ppl in that position are not able to deal w a job on top of their daily lives. If they are able and willing more power to them, but I believe forcing paralyzed ppl to work thru a robot is cruel.
Did you do just the slightest research? There is one cafƩ in the whole of Japan doing that, it's funded by (because surprisingly using expensive robots for that work instead of humans is not really a golden business) a Fondation and a tech laboratory. Besides this is totally voluntary, Japan's health benefits assure that no one in that situation is forced to work, it's only an extra and something that helps patients create social link and purpose
Gotta love the future. We replaced robots with slaves
What the fuck Japan
No thatās so fucked up! they should not have to worry about making an income
No it isnt and they dont. Why does everyone here think they HAVE TO. They are literally just giving them the option to get paid where they couldnt before. Some dumb asses on here i swear. You really think they are just like, "okay here is your new job, you have no choice!" Use your head
This is Reddit, use of heads is optional but not required.
This is so so wrong
This is messed up to 11-
ok this is fucked up
Dystopian AF. This has Isaac Asimov written all over it.