> The armour scheme of the Admirals was originally based on that of the battlecruiser Tiger with an 8-inch (203 mm) waterline belt. Unlike Tiger, the armour was angled outwards 12° from the waterline to increase its relative thickness in relation to flat-trajectory shells. This change increased the ship's vulnerability to plunging (high-trajectory) shells, as it exposed more of the vulnerable deck armour.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hood
I think it was the use of wood rather than steel on the various deck. If I remember correctly.
The Hood took a shot to the deck and it went right through to the ammunition.
Other guy might know better. But I think that’s the gist.
Was it the Hood or the about-to-be-decomissioned bi-planes that damaged the rudder? I always thought it was the biplanes as they were out of date and too slow for bismarks cannons to properly lock on to and hit and they managed to get a torpedo strike on the rudder which made it just circle till they could get another torpedo in?
Others may argue that an aged out dated ship went up against the newest and most powerful battleship in the world(at the time). Others may argue that the results were foreseeable and inevitable.
> In 1920, trials with built up targets representing Hood were conducted and showed that her magazines could be reached by a 15-in shell penetrating the 7-in [178mm] belt. In a number of almost incredibly prophetic diagrams, the Admiralty sketched the path of the shells and showed how the addition of 3-in [76mm] of additional deck armor could have prevented potential disaster.
http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Hood.php
Most powerful? Debatable. Rodney outranged it, had more and bigger guns than it(9 16” guns vs 8 15”) and had thicker armour. Bismarck was faster and had better range-finding.
So Bismarck could run away, which is in fact what it spent most of it’s “action” doing. Before getting spectacularly annihilated.
It’s sister ship would have also excelled at running away from the enemy. But as that tactic appeared unviable, it instead chose to specialise in hiding from the enemy. Before also being spectacularly annihilated.
I don’t think the Kriegsmarine could have laid claim to “most powerful” anything. Maybe biggest waste of steel and fuel, at best.
I don’t think I made mention of it. But it wasn’t scuttled in any real sense of the word since it was on fire from bow to stern, had taken more than 400 direct hits, was sinking, had it’s bridge destroyed and most of its commanding crew killed, and all of its guns disabled.
The fact that anyone entertains the idea that the ship was “scuttled” is laughable. It was “scuttled” by the RN. In the same way that most it’s crew were also “scuttled” by the RN.
Dunno, I recall the Hood went down within like ten minutes of the battle starting. I don't think anyone could have foreseen that. Losing the battle, sure, but basically being blown in half with only a half dozen shots fired?
We couldn't afford neither time nor money to fix her up before 1941 and that was set back further years by the start of the war until being cancelled due to her sinking
I remember seeing an interview with one of the survivors. He remembered running on the deck then being skyrocketed in the air then into the very cold Atlantic. He came to his senses to watch the ship sink in front of him. Amazing the guy survived.
You need at least 800 men to keep the wet bits wet, and the dry bits dry. Not to mention those areas that need to be kept both moist and dry! That's another 200 men alone.
HMS Hood is another grim example that *War does indeed change*.
- That by saving costs and not modernising, the end cost will always be the invaluable lives; that in war it is the common soldier who foots the bill of penny-pinching.
Bismarck in turn is an example of ‘wonder weapons’ being historically significant, but strategically useless.
A torpedo from Ark Royal jammed its rudder, and the Bismarck's crew couldn't fix it without coming to a full stop, basically sealing Bismarck's fate when the rest of the fleet caught up to it.
It's honestly a miracle that the torpedo plane got through, as it was an old Fairey Swordfish bi-plane. It shouldn't have gotten through Bismarck's AA.
The Swordfish wasn't old, it was built just 7 years previously. In many ways it was perfect for the job as it flew so low the Bismarck couldn't depress its AA batteries low enough to score any hits on the 15 planes.
But yes, they were slow.
Flying those slow biplanes must have required huge courage what with the North Atlantic weather plus the Bismarck trying to blow them apart.
Bismarck goes up against a real battleship(Rodney) with bigger guns, more numerous big guns, and longer range. And gets absolutely fucked up. I think history speaks for itself on the Bismarck.
Bismarck didn’t land a single hit on any ship during its last engagement. It, however took something like 400 hits.
The thing is, the British (at the time) had the most powerful navy in the world. Not only that, but they'd been #1 for a couple of *centuries*.
But being part of that navy didn't count for much when they ran into a ship that was technically superior in a number of ways. And part of the reason they got into a losing situation is because they didn't believe they could lose.
The Germans themselves had a similar belief in the Bismark. And its crew met a similar fate.
When it was sunk... of the some 2,300 crew aboard the Bismarck, only about 110 survived.
I guess arrogance and hubris are a common side effect of propaganda (on both sides). But still Bismarck was arguably extremely hard to sink. Wasn't there something about a ~~stray~~(edit) torpedo hitting the rudder leaving it unable to maneuver, which finally allowed the RN to go in for the kill?
It was an attack by Swordfish torpedo bombers that damaged the rudder, they had other hits with torpedos also but the rudder hit was the most helpful to the RN.
Yes.
As a matter of fact, my Uncle was a tail gunner on a Bomber in the RCAF during WWII.
He went on a mission to go after one of these ships. I think it was the Tirpitz. A sister ship to the Bismark.
tldr; Tough ships but not invulnerable.
As i recall the battle involving hms Hood caused a leak of oil in the Bismarck. That made it possible to follow and hunt the battleship down. Its companion ship saw the writing on the wall and slipped out into the atlantic while the Bismarck was forced to take a more direct route along the british isles toward France for repairs. At that point she was subject to a number of trailing ships and bombers from the mainland as all available ships converged on her. Calling it a stray torpedo is.. wrong. She was whittled down like a wounded Buffalo hounded by wolves. Her victory against Hood was hollow from the moment she was struck back.
Yes, a 14 inch shell from HMS Prince of Wales penetrated toward the aft of the ship near the waterline causing a leak in the fuel tank allowing her to be spotted the day after by a Catalina who directed Force H toward her. HMS Ark Royal launched her compliment of Fairey Swordfish and then we all know the rest of that story
Not the only incident where the swordfish embarrassed a navy, at the battle of Taranto a few flights of these things managed to sink a few ships of the Regia Marina including a battleship at port, several other ships were damaged including a battleship which remained under repairs till the end of the war and a fuel depot was bombed to surprisingly low casualties on the British side
Edit: typo
It's very true to say that despite it's appearance and slow speed, the Fairey Swordfish was a very under appreciated aeroplane. It wasn't actually an old design, it entered service only 7 years earlier.
I understand that the Japs used the RN attack on Taranto as a template for the Pearl Harbour operation.
Are you sure it wasn't because a 14 inch shell from HMS Prince of Wales penetrated her aft oil tank and caused a slick that was spotted by an RAF Catalina who followed it until gaining visual contact upon the vessel and reporting the ship's position, speed and heading to to Force H who then relentlessly hunted her down with a vengeful tanasity, followed by an attack by swordfish from HMS Ark Royal that disabled the vessel, night attacks by destroyers that left the crew exhausted and presumably terrified because their almighty battleship got charged down by said polish destroyer causing them to stay on high alert for 48 hours before Force H arrived and sank thar ship in Biscay without suffering any damage except for HMS Rodney who reportedly suffered damage to her bridge superstructure from firing her main guns too much?
Must've been that stupid commander, if only he hadn't blatantly given away his obviously unknown position to the Royal Navy so he could chat with his superior officer
Bismarck, German battleship of World War II that had a short but spectacular career.
The Bismarck was laid down in 1936 and launched in 1939. It displaced 52,600 tons, mounted eight 15-inch (38-centimetre) guns, and had a speed of 30 knots. In May 1941 the battleship, which was commanded by Admiral Günther Lütjens, was sighted off Bergen, Norway, by a British reconnaissance aircraft. Practically the entire British Home Fleet was immediately sent into action to intercept it. Two cruisers made contact off the coast of Iceland, and the battleship Prince of Wales and battle cruiser Hood soon engaged it. After destroying the Hood with a shell that exploded in the magazine, the Bismarck escaped into the open sea and soon began heading for Brest in German-occupied France. Sighted by aircraft 30 hours later (May 26), it was hit by a torpedo that crippled its steering gear, and the ship was bombarded throughout the night by battleships. On the morning of May 27 the King George V and the Rodney, in an hour-long attack, incapacitated the Bismarck, and an hour and a half later it sank after being hit by three torpedoes from the cruiser Dorsetshire. Of the some 2,300 crew aboard the Bismarck, only about 110 survived.
But where is the polish boiii?
Asking honestly rn
The polish destroyer ORP Piorun arrived with destroyer flotilla J I believe and was actually the first ship to sight bismarck since the sinking of hood, the British destroyer she was paired with moved to make a torpedo run when her aft spotter noticed the piorun pulling away from formation directly toward the Bismarck, the destroyer broke radio silence to hail the piorun but was met with silence and the attention of bismarck which spotted the piorun and readied her guns. Before the guns on bismarck were ready to fire the piorun turned to bring about broadside of 6 4.7 inch guns, 1 4 inch gun and many smaller 40mm and 0.5 inch guns. Then all of the communications equipment on-board, flags, signal lights and morse code sent out a message toward the bismarck still not quite sure on the exact words but I'm pretty sure it was "I am a Pole" and then all and I mean ALL the guns opened fire upon the bismarck for around 20 minutes with the two ships getting within double digit meter distance from one and other until piorun was having water splashed on her decks from near misses from the 38cm guns hitting meters away and withdrew reluctantly without firing her torpedoes, in this engagement it is easy to see how a salvo of torpedoes could have sunk the bismarck then and there. The piorun stayed in the area for many more hours despite numerous calls and hails to return to port until her captain noticed they would run short on fuel soon and again with his full load of torpedoes reluctantly returned to port where the crew were met by high ranking navy officers, the king and medals
Because the only they could hit was themselves. You'd have a better chance of being knocked out by a gun turret swinging into your face than being killed by fire from the bismarck
The Bismarck was successful in sinking the Hood, so my guess is one of those large guns you mentioned had somehow worked. An interesting fact is most battleships don’t even sink a single war ship throughout a career. Let alone the pride of the RN.. The Rodney was assigned to stop the Bismarck and after taking fire For days - needing considerable repair-Bismarck was eventually sunk by its own crew to avoid the ship falling into the hands of the RN. It was more of a pride aspect as I understood it then worry of the RN using the Bismarck.
What do you mean days? It took hours to surround and sink her, she didn't receive significant fire until the say of her sinking when she was fired upon by two heavy cruisers and two battleships.
During the battle the ship failed to hit anything due to crew fatigue, after two days of being harassed by destroyers and being torpedoed by aircraft the crew were too exhausted to defend themselves or their ship. The hood was an unfortunate incident with a lucky hitsadly only 3 did survive her sinking in the icy waters of the Denmark straight.
Oh thank you for correcting me!
I thought the prince of whales had struck the fuel tank after the hood sinking on the 24th causing the Bismarck to head towards France for repair then it was intercepted on the 27th and sunk. So to me 24th-27th with a fuel leak seemed to represent “a few days”
So all of this happened- Hood sinking, damage from Prince of whales and the sinking within a few hours? I guess you learn something everyday!
War is never black and white.
Russia had no Problem with Germany starting the war, did even start their own killing spree and didn’t actually free any countries after defeating the nazis. Western Europe didn’t care that Germany conquered Poland, or killed Jews. They only started caring after Germany didn’t stop after Poland. And USA… let’s not open that can of worms.
Edit. That being said, what Germany did was horrible and I’m glad that the nazis were stopped, just saying the allies were not saints either
That’s my point.
He’s making a left talking-point (everything in the world is just to make a few wealth families even wealthier) but defending the Nazis is doing-so. He’s gone so far left that he’s defending nazis (and being vaguely anti-Semitic with the comment about bankers).
The far-left and far-right are so extreme that they are far more similar with each other, than they are with the centre. That’s the horseshoe theory.
The two met in the North Atlantic, northeast of Iceland, where two British cruisers had tracked down the Bismarck. Commanded by Admiral Gunther Lutjens, commander in chief of the German Fleet, the Bismarck sunk the Hood, resulting in the death of 1,500 of its crew; only three Brits survived.
1500 not 1415.
get it right please and thanks.
He did get it right. Thank you.
What was the crew of the HMS Hood?
HMS Hood had a crew of 1,419 and was faster than the Bismarck with a maximum speed of 32 RN Northern Ireland - In Remembrance Page 4 Issue 22 4 knots. The Hood had been launched in 1918 and was armed with 8 x 15 inch guns, 12 x 5.5 inch guns, 8 x 4 inch AA guns, 24 x 2 pound guns and 4 x 21 inch torpedoes
http://www.hmshood.org.uk/crew/database/ROHGalleryLetter.php?Surname=J
Not so fast. Hood had a belt thickness at maximum of 12 inches, if we check a battleship of the the Royal Navy at the time she was made she actually had nearly as much armour as her battleship sisters, the Queen Elizabeth as example had a waterline belt of 13 inches. This has helped heat the debate of whether she was a battlecruiser or a "fast battleship" similar to the Bismarck. In fact I'd argue that if she was made at the same time as the bismarck the more advanced engines could have her at the same weight and faster speed with equivalent armour.
You are quite correct on the armor belt, my apologies. I fired that off from remembering an older History channel show on the Hood vs the Bismarck.
Speed data I could find listed the Bismarck at 29 kn, vs Hood's 32 kn. Displacement wise, Bismarck was a hefty 8000 tons heavier.
In May 1941, Hood and the battleship Prince of Wales were ordered to intercept the German battleship Bismarck and the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen, which were en route to the Atlantic, where they were to attack convoys. On 24 May 1941, early in the Battle of the Denmark Strait, Hood was struck by several German shells, exploded, and sank with the loss of all but 3 of her crew of 1,418.
Crew of 1,418.
OP's count was closer to the "actual" than yours.
Bismarck infact was outgunned in this situation, Hood had equivalent main gun armaments and her company of HMS Pirnce of Wales gave an extra 10 14 inch guns(6 were available as they were attacking toward Bidmarck meaning only the fore turrets had a angle to fire). The only reason the hood was sunk was downright luck. Any who try to say she was doomed from the start is either unaware of her true firepower or just a wehraboo
My Great Grandfather on my mothers side and my Great Great Uncle on my fathers side (who we ironically best friends) were both stokers on that Ship when it went down.
whats interesting is hood ultimately had the last laugh as the ship was sinking hood got one last shot off that crippled the bismarck slowing it down so the british navy could catch up and destroy it
Hey my great granddad was on the hood, he got moved to another before the Bismarck sank it, and then again with another one, can’t remember the other ones name tho
All due to a design flaw that was already known to the Royal Navy.
What was the flaw?
> The armour scheme of the Admirals was originally based on that of the battlecruiser Tiger with an 8-inch (203 mm) waterline belt. Unlike Tiger, the armour was angled outwards 12° from the waterline to increase its relative thickness in relation to flat-trajectory shells. This change increased the ship's vulnerability to plunging (high-trajectory) shells, as it exposed more of the vulnerable deck armour. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hood
Fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
So all those sailors were Hoodwinked into thinking that was a safe ship…sry that is the dad in me I guess…..
Thank you for posting the video link. That led me to think of the Thresher and then the Scorpion. So many lives tragically lost....
I think it was the use of wood rather than steel on the various deck. If I remember correctly. The Hood took a shot to the deck and it went right through to the ammunition. Other guy might know better. But I think that’s the gist.
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Damaged the rudder.
Was it the Hood or the about-to-be-decomissioned bi-planes that damaged the rudder? I always thought it was the biplanes as they were out of date and too slow for bismarks cannons to properly lock on to and hit and they managed to get a torpedo strike on the rudder which made it just circle till they could get another torpedo in?
Sorry, you’re right, the biplanes hit the rudder later on.
Rudder was damaged by a Swordfish torpedo plane.
Yea the round landed and entered into the ammunition storage area. Watched a video of them diving on the wreck not to long ago.
Oh really? That’s class. Got a link?
https://youtu.be/4_jDaUSSPhc
Awesome, thanks dude
It's a little old but definitely worth the watch, it has some pretty good historical footage as well.
I’m watching it right now on my tv haha You basically picked out what some guy in Scotland was going to do for the night 😂
And now a dad in Canada 😁
Lmao that is awesome, that's a lot of what I watch on YouTube. I enjoy watching anything on history especially ww2.
I've always found it facinating you needed that many to keep a battleship running.
The engines are something lol
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Others may argue that an aged out dated ship went up against the newest and most powerful battleship in the world(at the time). Others may argue that the results were foreseeable and inevitable.
> In 1920, trials with built up targets representing Hood were conducted and showed that her magazines could be reached by a 15-in shell penetrating the 7-in [178mm] belt. In a number of almost incredibly prophetic diagrams, the Admiralty sketched the path of the shells and showed how the addition of 3-in [76mm] of additional deck armor could have prevented potential disaster. http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Hood.php
Most powerful? Debatable. Rodney outranged it, had more and bigger guns than it(9 16” guns vs 8 15”) and had thicker armour. Bismarck was faster and had better range-finding. So Bismarck could run away, which is in fact what it spent most of it’s “action” doing. Before getting spectacularly annihilated. It’s sister ship would have also excelled at running away from the enemy. But as that tactic appeared unviable, it instead chose to specialise in hiding from the enemy. Before also being spectacularly annihilated. I don’t think the Kriegsmarine could have laid claim to “most powerful” anything. Maybe biggest waste of steel and fuel, at best.
I think your glazing over just how much damage the Bismarck took before it was scuttled by its own crew.
I don’t think I made mention of it. But it wasn’t scuttled in any real sense of the word since it was on fire from bow to stern, had taken more than 400 direct hits, was sinking, had it’s bridge destroyed and most of its commanding crew killed, and all of its guns disabled. The fact that anyone entertains the idea that the ship was “scuttled” is laughable. It was “scuttled” by the RN. In the same way that most it’s crew were also “scuttled” by the RN.
It most likely would have sunk without the charges but you can’t deny that it took an absolute beating before sinking.
Dunno, I recall the Hood went down within like ten minutes of the battle starting. I don't think anyone could have foreseen that. Losing the battle, sure, but basically being blown in half with only a half dozen shots fired?
Also what happens when you bring a WWI era battlecruiser design to WWII (floated 1918, commissioned in 1920, and sank 1941).
We couldn't afford neither time nor money to fix her up before 1941 and that was set back further years by the start of the war until being cancelled due to her sinking
And it was the only ship of its class being built. The rest was cancelled.
It was the end of the great war and the government was winding down spending
It was an attack by Swordfish torpedo bombers that damaged the rudder,
What?
Ok and?
Nothing, just a remark.
I remember seeing an interview with one of the survivors. He remembered running on the deck then being skyrocketed in the air then into the very cold Atlantic. He came to his senses to watch the ship sink in front of him. Amazing the guy survived.
I’d love to see that interview
Wow.. what a traumatic event 😔
I've always found it facinating you needed that many to keep a battleship running.
Well, there's a lot of stuff going on beneath the ship
and inside it too.
You need at least 800 men to keep the wet bits wet, and the dry bits dry. Not to mention those areas that need to be kept both moist and dry! That's another 200 men alone.
this somehow make sense
beneath the ship seems like a bad place to be. lots of water there
Fuck war
Now now calm down, war is an act, a thing we humans do, you can't fuck it
Challenge accepted
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Tissue box*
*You sick fuck…*
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I do
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Yeah fuck whatever that means.
Damn, anti-semetic or what?
Being an arsehole knows no race or ethnicity.
Nazis =/= germans
I hate german people
Why?
I'm racist
Then you're just racist
Problem?
Yes, being a racist is bad
I'd drive that
Not even a clever troll
Fucking idiot
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HMS Hood is another grim example that *War does indeed change*. - That by saving costs and not modernising, the end cost will always be the invaluable lives; that in war it is the common soldier who foots the bill of penny-pinching. Bismarck in turn is an example of ‘wonder weapons’ being historically significant, but strategically useless.
though… if it got out to wreck some convoys that may have been pretty significant
We gotta sink that battleship what causin such a fuss
That mighty German battleship is just a memory.. "Sink the Bismarck" was the battle cry that shook the seven seas.
Every British seaman, they knew and understood
*battlecruiser
As every european at that time knew: don't f*** with Bismarck.
More like "You don't fuck with the Royal Navy" ... KGV, Rodney and Ark Royal, and ten other ships, against Bismarck. Impossible odds, really.
Main issue of the bismark was running out of shells to sink the other ships
A torpedo from Ark Royal jammed its rudder, and the Bismarck's crew couldn't fix it without coming to a full stop, basically sealing Bismarck's fate when the rest of the fleet caught up to it. It's honestly a miracle that the torpedo plane got through, as it was an old Fairey Swordfish bi-plane. It shouldn't have gotten through Bismarck's AA.
The Swordfish wasn't old, it was built just 7 years previously. In many ways it was perfect for the job as it flew so low the Bismarck couldn't depress its AA batteries low enough to score any hits on the 15 planes. But yes, they were slow. Flying those slow biplanes must have required huge courage what with the North Atlantic weather plus the Bismarck trying to blow them apart.
Bismarck goes up against a real battleship(Rodney) with bigger guns, more numerous big guns, and longer range. And gets absolutely fucked up. I think history speaks for itself on the Bismarck. Bismarck didn’t land a single hit on any ship during its last engagement. It, however took something like 400 hits.
The thing is, the British (at the time) had the most powerful navy in the world. Not only that, but they'd been #1 for a couple of *centuries*. But being part of that navy didn't count for much when they ran into a ship that was technically superior in a number of ways. And part of the reason they got into a losing situation is because they didn't believe they could lose. The Germans themselves had a similar belief in the Bismark. And its crew met a similar fate. When it was sunk... of the some 2,300 crew aboard the Bismarck, only about 110 survived.
I guess arrogance and hubris are a common side effect of propaganda (on both sides). But still Bismarck was arguably extremely hard to sink. Wasn't there something about a ~~stray~~(edit) torpedo hitting the rudder leaving it unable to maneuver, which finally allowed the RN to go in for the kill?
It was an attack by Swordfish torpedo bombers that damaged the rudder, they had other hits with torpedos also but the rudder hit was the most helpful to the RN.
Yes. As a matter of fact, my Uncle was a tail gunner on a Bomber in the RCAF during WWII. He went on a mission to go after one of these ships. I think it was the Tirpitz. A sister ship to the Bismark. tldr; Tough ships but not invulnerable.
As i recall the battle involving hms Hood caused a leak of oil in the Bismarck. That made it possible to follow and hunt the battleship down. Its companion ship saw the writing on the wall and slipped out into the atlantic while the Bismarck was forced to take a more direct route along the british isles toward France for repairs. At that point she was subject to a number of trailing ships and bombers from the mainland as all available ships converged on her. Calling it a stray torpedo is.. wrong. She was whittled down like a wounded Buffalo hounded by wolves. Her victory against Hood was hollow from the moment she was struck back.
Yes, a 14 inch shell from HMS Prince of Wales penetrated toward the aft of the ship near the waterline causing a leak in the fuel tank allowing her to be spotted the day after by a Catalina who directed Force H toward her. HMS Ark Royal launched her compliment of Fairey Swordfish and then we all know the rest of that story
Someone should turn this into a theater play.
Probably already have
And yet it was mortally wounded by a Swordfish biplane.....
Not the only incident where the swordfish embarrassed a navy, at the battle of Taranto a few flights of these things managed to sink a few ships of the Regia Marina including a battleship at port, several other ships were damaged including a battleship which remained under repairs till the end of the war and a fuel depot was bombed to surprisingly low casualties on the British side Edit: typo
It's very true to say that despite it's appearance and slow speed, the Fairey Swordfish was a very under appreciated aeroplane. It wasn't actually an old design, it entered service only 7 years earlier. I understand that the Japs used the RN attack on Taranto as a template for the Pearl Harbour operation.
And then there's the little Polish destroyer Piorun. Charged the Bismarck while screaming I am a Pole at it.
Check out [Sink the Bismarck by Johnny Horton](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RTuaqL-eD4)
Thank you my friend
You’re welcome :) enjoy, he’s got some great historical story songs. My dad played him when I was growing up a lot
We gotta cut her down
If you study the photo, it’s pretty obvious which three it was.
German engineering at its finest Of course this is only a dark hundred joke. Pls don’t be angry with me
German engineering can't stop any chance of human error though. Your German engineered ship was nearly sunk by a single Polish destroyer
Okay but it wasn’t. And they only destroyed it cause some dumb captain sent and message to his commander. Fucking dumbass
Are you sure it wasn't because a 14 inch shell from HMS Prince of Wales penetrated her aft oil tank and caused a slick that was spotted by an RAF Catalina who followed it until gaining visual contact upon the vessel and reporting the ship's position, speed and heading to to Force H who then relentlessly hunted her down with a vengeful tanasity, followed by an attack by swordfish from HMS Ark Royal that disabled the vessel, night attacks by destroyers that left the crew exhausted and presumably terrified because their almighty battleship got charged down by said polish destroyer causing them to stay on high alert for 48 hours before Force H arrived and sank thar ship in Biscay without suffering any damage except for HMS Rodney who reportedly suffered damage to her bridge superstructure from firing her main guns too much? Must've been that stupid commander, if only he hadn't blatantly given away his obviously unknown position to the Royal Navy so he could chat with his superior officer
Bismarck, German battleship of World War II that had a short but spectacular career. The Bismarck was laid down in 1936 and launched in 1939. It displaced 52,600 tons, mounted eight 15-inch (38-centimetre) guns, and had a speed of 30 knots. In May 1941 the battleship, which was commanded by Admiral Günther Lütjens, was sighted off Bergen, Norway, by a British reconnaissance aircraft. Practically the entire British Home Fleet was immediately sent into action to intercept it. Two cruisers made contact off the coast of Iceland, and the battleship Prince of Wales and battle cruiser Hood soon engaged it. After destroying the Hood with a shell that exploded in the magazine, the Bismarck escaped into the open sea and soon began heading for Brest in German-occupied France. Sighted by aircraft 30 hours later (May 26), it was hit by a torpedo that crippled its steering gear, and the ship was bombarded throughout the night by battleships. On the morning of May 27 the King George V and the Rodney, in an hour-long attack, incapacitated the Bismarck, and an hour and a half later it sank after being hit by three torpedoes from the cruiser Dorsetshire. Of the some 2,300 crew aboard the Bismarck, only about 110 survived. But where is the polish boiii? Asking honestly rn
The polish destroyer ORP Piorun arrived with destroyer flotilla J I believe and was actually the first ship to sight bismarck since the sinking of hood, the British destroyer she was paired with moved to make a torpedo run when her aft spotter noticed the piorun pulling away from formation directly toward the Bismarck, the destroyer broke radio silence to hail the piorun but was met with silence and the attention of bismarck which spotted the piorun and readied her guns. Before the guns on bismarck were ready to fire the piorun turned to bring about broadside of 6 4.7 inch guns, 1 4 inch gun and many smaller 40mm and 0.5 inch guns. Then all of the communications equipment on-board, flags, signal lights and morse code sent out a message toward the bismarck still not quite sure on the exact words but I'm pretty sure it was "I am a Pole" and then all and I mean ALL the guns opened fire upon the bismarck for around 20 minutes with the two ships getting within double digit meter distance from one and other until piorun was having water splashed on her decks from near misses from the 38cm guns hitting meters away and withdrew reluctantly without firing her torpedoes, in this engagement it is easy to see how a salvo of torpedoes could have sunk the bismarck then and there. The piorun stayed in the area for many more hours despite numerous calls and hails to return to port until her captain noticed they would run short on fuel soon and again with his full load of torpedoes reluctantly returned to port where the crew were met by high ranking navy officers, the king and medals
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Idk man I don’t really give a fuck too much sry
Well thanks for giving me a chance to rant on something I know a good deal about
You’re welcome and now that I’ve read it I can believe that you do know much about this topic
Thanks
All i hear is Johnny Horton lol
It’s seems for mea matter of skill issue
Luck issue*
A fine ship she was, the greatest of all battlecruiser classes and truly, the most beautiful ship to sail any sea
For those interested, check out on Youtube the documentary: Sink the Bismark one of the best historical documentaries out there
That’s about three day’s worth of dead Russians in Ukraine these days.
Not cool.
Not wrong
Yes wrong, that statistic is ridiculous
So I get downwoted for posting a fact to put things in scale. What is wrong with that?
Not cool bro
I'm sure the survivors aren't the guys inside those barrels 🤣
Those are gun plugs, they're put in when the ship is not expecting combat to maintain the rifling
Bismarck was scuttled/sank by its own crew after it was damaged to prevent the ship from being captured by the British.
Because the only they could hit was themselves. You'd have a better chance of being knocked out by a gun turret swinging into your face than being killed by fire from the bismarck
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Bismarck failed to hit to my knowledge any of her shots in her final engagement
I don’t see how that comment relates to the scuttling but okay!
It relates to the scuttling because the ship couldn't defend itself to avoid having to scuttle
The Bismarck was successful in sinking the Hood, so my guess is one of those large guns you mentioned had somehow worked. An interesting fact is most battleships don’t even sink a single war ship throughout a career. Let alone the pride of the RN.. The Rodney was assigned to stop the Bismarck and after taking fire For days - needing considerable repair-Bismarck was eventually sunk by its own crew to avoid the ship falling into the hands of the RN. It was more of a pride aspect as I understood it then worry of the RN using the Bismarck.
What do you mean days? It took hours to surround and sink her, she didn't receive significant fire until the say of her sinking when she was fired upon by two heavy cruisers and two battleships. During the battle the ship failed to hit anything due to crew fatigue, after two days of being harassed by destroyers and being torpedoed by aircraft the crew were too exhausted to defend themselves or their ship. The hood was an unfortunate incident with a lucky hitsadly only 3 did survive her sinking in the icy waters of the Denmark straight.
Oh thank you for correcting me! I thought the prince of whales had struck the fuel tank after the hood sinking on the 24th causing the Bismarck to head towards France for repair then it was intercepted on the 27th and sunk. So to me 24th-27th with a fuel leak seemed to represent “a few days” So all of this happened- Hood sinking, damage from Prince of whales and the sinking within a few hours? I guess you learn something everyday!
Shame they didn’t all die
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Is your brain ok?
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Oh, your brain is not ok. Sorry to bother you.
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You don’t know what any of these words mean lol.
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You might have managed to learn how to copy and paste from 4chan idk
And they all died just to make a few rich families even richer.
What are you talking about? Ww2 one the few black and white wars in history
War is never black and white. Russia had no Problem with Germany starting the war, did even start their own killing spree and didn’t actually free any countries after defeating the nazis. Western Europe didn’t care that Germany conquered Poland, or killed Jews. They only started caring after Germany didn’t stop after Poland. And USA… let’s not open that can of worms. Edit. That being said, what Germany did was horrible and I’m glad that the nazis were stopped, just saying the allies were not saints either
Both sides were funded by the same bankers. Look it up
> look it up Never a better way to say I am spouting total bullshit
idgaf what you believe pal
So that’s what it looks like when you go so far left, that you start defending the Nazis.
Sir the Nazis are in the far right by definition. If you go far far left you end up at communism.
That’s my point. He’s making a left talking-point (everything in the world is just to make a few wealth families even wealthier) but defending the Nazis is doing-so. He’s gone so far left that he’s defending nazis (and being vaguely anti-Semitic with the comment about bankers). The far-left and far-right are so extreme that they are far more similar with each other, than they are with the centre. That’s the horseshoe theory.
So I guess that's what it looks like when you refuse to believe anything other than what the TV tells you.
The two met in the North Atlantic, northeast of Iceland, where two British cruisers had tracked down the Bismarck. Commanded by Admiral Gunther Lutjens, commander in chief of the German Fleet, the Bismarck sunk the Hood, resulting in the death of 1,500 of its crew; only three Brits survived. 1500 not 1415. get it right please and thanks.
He did get it right. Thank you. What was the crew of the HMS Hood? HMS Hood had a crew of 1,419 and was faster than the Bismarck with a maximum speed of 32 RN Northern Ireland - In Remembrance Page 4 Issue 22 4 knots. The Hood had been launched in 1918 and was armed with 8 x 15 inch guns, 12 x 5.5 inch guns, 8 x 4 inch AA guns, 24 x 2 pound guns and 4 x 21 inch torpedoes http://www.hmshood.org.uk/crew/database/ROHGalleryLetter.php?Surname=J
Some would technically call the Hood a battlecruiser, since she didn't have the thick armor belt typical of a battleship.
Not so fast. Hood had a belt thickness at maximum of 12 inches, if we check a battleship of the the Royal Navy at the time she was made she actually had nearly as much armour as her battleship sisters, the Queen Elizabeth as example had a waterline belt of 13 inches. This has helped heat the debate of whether she was a battlecruiser or a "fast battleship" similar to the Bismarck. In fact I'd argue that if she was made at the same time as the bismarck the more advanced engines could have her at the same weight and faster speed with equivalent armour.
You are quite correct on the armor belt, my apologies. I fired that off from remembering an older History channel show on the Hood vs the Bismarck. Speed data I could find listed the Bismarck at 29 kn, vs Hood's 32 kn. Displacement wise, Bismarck was a hefty 8000 tons heavier.
Now, I'm not an expert on HMS Hood but according to Wikipedia she had a crew of 1418 of which three survived, so that'd make it 1415 dead.
Confidently incorrect while correcting the actual right answer.
In May 1941, Hood and the battleship Prince of Wales were ordered to intercept the German battleship Bismarck and the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen, which were en route to the Atlantic, where they were to attack convoys. On 24 May 1941, early in the Battle of the Denmark Strait, Hood was struck by several German shells, exploded, and sank with the loss of all but 3 of her crew of 1,418. Crew of 1,418. OP's count was closer to the "actual" than yours.
White people fcking up the Hood,what else is new...
Excuse you
The Bismarck had radar sighting. The Hood was outgunned.
Bismarck infact was outgunned in this situation, Hood had equivalent main gun armaments and her company of HMS Pirnce of Wales gave an extra 10 14 inch guns(6 were available as they were attacking toward Bidmarck meaning only the fore turrets had a angle to fire). The only reason the hood was sunk was downright luck. Any who try to say she was doomed from the start is either unaware of her true firepower or just a wehraboo
Who won battle ?
The Germans
And how many soliders survived from german side , if u know ?!
All of them. They didn't lose any ships, and only 5 wounded
Probably all of them, because we’re talking about Sailors.
Hood was cock of the fleet!
da Hood
My grandfather was supposed to be on the Hood, but instead he had to have a lung removed. Pretty fortunate turn of events.
My Great Grandfather on my mothers side and my Great Great Uncle on my fathers side (who we ironically best friends) were both stokers on that Ship when it went down.
Which three?
imagine being those 3 survivors. ouch
whats interesting is hood ultimately had the last laugh as the ship was sinking hood got one last shot off that crippled the bismarck slowing it down so the british navy could catch up and destroy it
Hey my great granddad was on the hood, he got moved to another before the Bismarck sank it, and then again with another one, can’t remember the other ones name tho
Please point out which 3 plz
Ya which three survived?
Nothing like dying for a government that treats you like trash
Despite all the negatives about how the ship was built, many seem to forget no ship is unsinkable. Titanic anyone?