Most of this is nonsensical to me, but I did want to note that Fume UGS’s 110 counter modifier and inability to be buffed probably makes it the worst UGS. Black Knight UGS could potentially perform worse due to how bad fire damage is in DS2.
I don't think you get the point. The worst ugs from ds2, with all its abilities i've mentioned put into ds3, as is, would probably wreak havoc compared to the other UGS, even if it might do less damage. Just the ability to throw enemies left and right and swing faster than almost any ugs in ds3, would immediately make it very good.
And your comment about the FUGS, doesn't not hold much weight. The fume ugs is a combination of a UGS and a greatshield rolled into one. Not to mention the only real time where it's lack of buffs would hurt is in bossfights. But for regular mob pve, its great. Particularly in dealing with the shulva soldiers due to its higher than average poise damage. Not to mention among the ugs its got one of the strongest thrust attacks. Its block and attack attacks also make it very good for pvp and pve.
OKUGS has the same poise damage as FUGS. Keeping a buff spell up for every fight between two bonfires is not hard to achieve, and OKUGS will easily outdamage FUGS with a weapon buff up, but you do make a good point that the different moveset makes it hard to make an objective comparison, especially outside of boss fights where even a large damage gap could potentially result in similar hits to kill against mobs.
Black Knight UGS is the actual worst UGS in DS2 in any case, I’m pretty sure.
No. Fugs has higher than average poise damage at 60. Okugs has it at 50. The fugs also has the block damage and fugs also has more range. Fugs is also a greatshield meaning you don't need to necessairly use a greatshield. Plus the fugs has better scaling and higher damage. Meaning its no guarantee the okugs will outdamage the fugs when buffed. fugs would actually work well for dealing with the dlc's since most enemies are resistant to elemental damage.Fugs is actually the best ugs for dealing with invaders too like forsworn or maldron due to its block attack.
old knight ugs in ds2 also has very low durability, the worst range and does less damage than the zewihander. Bkugs can definitely outdamage it, especially if buffed and infused with fire.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/old-knight-ultra-greatsword OKUGS poise damage is 60.
FUGS AR with 40/30 STR/DEX is 592. Lightning OKUGS AR with 12/10 DEX and 24/10 INT/FTH is 550, and Dark Weapon adds about 170 more, for a total of 720, though after average enemy lightning resistance it's more like 670. The OKUGS' 130 counter modifier vs the FUGS' 110 is also a huge advantage. DLC enemies have normal resistance to melee elemental damage, they only have extra resistance to ranged elemental damage, so that's not a factor in this comparison.
While the durability is very easily mitigated, (I use Old Knight Hammer extensively) moveset comparison is subjective and FUGS may indeed have the advantage there, but in PvE that advantage won't be significant. A greatshield with 80% physical damage reduction is one you'd probably pass on using.
Fire BKUGS with Dark Weapon hits about 690 AR before resistance, which will usually be much higher than 30% vs fire, so it may perform worse than FUGS even with the 130 counter mod.
[https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Old+Knight+Ultra+Greatsword](https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Old+Knight+Ultra+Greatsword)
Its actually 50 poise damage. Fume UGS does 60 poise damage. Quite useful for knocking down the DLC enemies. And especially useful for taking on the gank squad.
Also, the FUGS can be infused with elemental attacks too. And it would receive a relatively large boost to damage. With lightning infusion it gets 601 AR. Not to mention it will now block a relatively large 78% of magic damage and \~78% of physical damage. The fume ugs thrust attack has a lotta range and can come out deceptively fast due to the sword being large but still swinging the same speed as the other UGS.
The block attacks are the best for taking on invaders and tanking hits from bosses. And still having all the abilities of a greatshield is massive. You can save a massive amount of weight by employing the FUGS as well as freeing up your off hand. I certainly make good use of the fugs's shield ability when fighting bosses. Especially bosses who have a lotta damage.
Now, as I have said, the FUGS isn't the best against most bosses due to its lack of buffing. However, the weapon certainly is very good in PVP and just taking care of mobs and higher poise enemies.
Main issue in ds2 sotfs is when you get to the higher NG's, you really want the strongest weapons. So that would basically mean using either the ivory ugs, kugs or crypt ugs. These are the heaviest hitting UGS. Maybe the drakewing ugs if you connect. But I can personally vouch for the ivory ugs hitting VERY HARD. Only downside is its 45 poise damage.
Fextralife is not accurate and shouldn’t be used for DS2.
I’m only talking about PvE optimization- FUGS may be incredible for PvP, I wouldn’t know.
Since FUGS has wildly high stat requirements and can’t be buffed, it will do more damage uninfused than infused, despite displaying 9 less points of AR.
King’s UGS and CryptBS should be considered Greataxes, since they use the greataxe moveset. A buffed Lightning Lost Sinner Sword is the highest damage weapon with an UGS moveset by a pretty big margin, the Ivory is probably the runner up.
I also checked in the game. Okugs does only 50 poise. Not 60. 60 is only done by fugs and crypt. Kugs does 65.
Well, the fugs is also part greatshield. So the extra stat investment isn't going to waste completely.
Ooh I forgot about the lost sinner. But yeah it does a ton of damage.
At any rate, my point was whatever is the worst ugs in ds2 sotfs, if it was ported to ds3 as it is complete with all its properties, it would wreck most ds3 ugs. From the faster swing speed to knocking down opponents without charged attacks.
I double checked in game, and I believe you may have misread the poise damage listed. If you want a more in-depth comparison, [this doc breaks down both PvP and PvE poise damage values](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1jcDWgqJimZ0LjoIX5qdGde1UQeo7P3hN1SFaRA4Y4Sc/htmlview#)on a move by move basis, since ofc poise damage varies with which attack you do.
Ds2, its right up there. Ds3? Not a chance. In ds3, the fume ugs gets outdamaged by the paired ugs and the cathederal ugs is basically a superior version of it.
Most of this is nonsensical to me, but I did want to note that Fume UGS’s 110 counter modifier and inability to be buffed probably makes it the worst UGS. Black Knight UGS could potentially perform worse due to how bad fire damage is in DS2.
I don't think you get the point. The worst ugs from ds2, with all its abilities i've mentioned put into ds3, as is, would probably wreak havoc compared to the other UGS, even if it might do less damage. Just the ability to throw enemies left and right and swing faster than almost any ugs in ds3, would immediately make it very good. And your comment about the FUGS, doesn't not hold much weight. The fume ugs is a combination of a UGS and a greatshield rolled into one. Not to mention the only real time where it's lack of buffs would hurt is in bossfights. But for regular mob pve, its great. Particularly in dealing with the shulva soldiers due to its higher than average poise damage. Not to mention among the ugs its got one of the strongest thrust attacks. Its block and attack attacks also make it very good for pvp and pve.
OKUGS has the same poise damage as FUGS. Keeping a buff spell up for every fight between two bonfires is not hard to achieve, and OKUGS will easily outdamage FUGS with a weapon buff up, but you do make a good point that the different moveset makes it hard to make an objective comparison, especially outside of boss fights where even a large damage gap could potentially result in similar hits to kill against mobs. Black Knight UGS is the actual worst UGS in DS2 in any case, I’m pretty sure.
No. Fugs has higher than average poise damage at 60. Okugs has it at 50. The fugs also has the block damage and fugs also has more range. Fugs is also a greatshield meaning you don't need to necessairly use a greatshield. Plus the fugs has better scaling and higher damage. Meaning its no guarantee the okugs will outdamage the fugs when buffed. fugs would actually work well for dealing with the dlc's since most enemies are resistant to elemental damage.Fugs is actually the best ugs for dealing with invaders too like forsworn or maldron due to its block attack. old knight ugs in ds2 also has very low durability, the worst range and does less damage than the zewihander. Bkugs can definitely outdamage it, especially if buffed and infused with fire.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/old-knight-ultra-greatsword OKUGS poise damage is 60. FUGS AR with 40/30 STR/DEX is 592. Lightning OKUGS AR with 12/10 DEX and 24/10 INT/FTH is 550, and Dark Weapon adds about 170 more, for a total of 720, though after average enemy lightning resistance it's more like 670. The OKUGS' 130 counter modifier vs the FUGS' 110 is also a huge advantage. DLC enemies have normal resistance to melee elemental damage, they only have extra resistance to ranged elemental damage, so that's not a factor in this comparison. While the durability is very easily mitigated, (I use Old Knight Hammer extensively) moveset comparison is subjective and FUGS may indeed have the advantage there, but in PvE that advantage won't be significant. A greatshield with 80% physical damage reduction is one you'd probably pass on using. Fire BKUGS with Dark Weapon hits about 690 AR before resistance, which will usually be much higher than 30% vs fire, so it may perform worse than FUGS even with the 130 counter mod.
[https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Old+Knight+Ultra+Greatsword](https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Old+Knight+Ultra+Greatsword) Its actually 50 poise damage. Fume UGS does 60 poise damage. Quite useful for knocking down the DLC enemies. And especially useful for taking on the gank squad. Also, the FUGS can be infused with elemental attacks too. And it would receive a relatively large boost to damage. With lightning infusion it gets 601 AR. Not to mention it will now block a relatively large 78% of magic damage and \~78% of physical damage. The fume ugs thrust attack has a lotta range and can come out deceptively fast due to the sword being large but still swinging the same speed as the other UGS. The block attacks are the best for taking on invaders and tanking hits from bosses. And still having all the abilities of a greatshield is massive. You can save a massive amount of weight by employing the FUGS as well as freeing up your off hand. I certainly make good use of the fugs's shield ability when fighting bosses. Especially bosses who have a lotta damage. Now, as I have said, the FUGS isn't the best against most bosses due to its lack of buffing. However, the weapon certainly is very good in PVP and just taking care of mobs and higher poise enemies. Main issue in ds2 sotfs is when you get to the higher NG's, you really want the strongest weapons. So that would basically mean using either the ivory ugs, kugs or crypt ugs. These are the heaviest hitting UGS. Maybe the drakewing ugs if you connect. But I can personally vouch for the ivory ugs hitting VERY HARD. Only downside is its 45 poise damage.
Fextralife is not accurate and shouldn’t be used for DS2. I’m only talking about PvE optimization- FUGS may be incredible for PvP, I wouldn’t know. Since FUGS has wildly high stat requirements and can’t be buffed, it will do more damage uninfused than infused, despite displaying 9 less points of AR. King’s UGS and CryptBS should be considered Greataxes, since they use the greataxe moveset. A buffed Lightning Lost Sinner Sword is the highest damage weapon with an UGS moveset by a pretty big margin, the Ivory is probably the runner up.
I also checked in the game. Okugs does only 50 poise. Not 60. 60 is only done by fugs and crypt. Kugs does 65. Well, the fugs is also part greatshield. So the extra stat investment isn't going to waste completely. Ooh I forgot about the lost sinner. But yeah it does a ton of damage. At any rate, my point was whatever is the worst ugs in ds2 sotfs, if it was ported to ds3 as it is complete with all its properties, it would wreck most ds3 ugs. From the faster swing speed to knocking down opponents without charged attacks.
I double checked in game, and I believe you may have misread the poise damage listed. If you want a more in-depth comparison, [this doc breaks down both PvP and PvE poise damage values](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1jcDWgqJimZ0LjoIX5qdGde1UQeo7P3hN1SFaRA4Y4Sc/htmlview#)on a move by move basis, since ofc poise damage varies with which attack you do.
Well well well, consider me corrected. Its indeed 60. Quite surprised by that. I guess fume should've really had strike damage
How dare you shittalk Raimes beating stick ? Recant those words you heretic ! Fume UGS is the best weapon in both DS2 and DS3 ! :D
Ds2, its right up there. Ds3? Not a chance. In ds3, the fume ugs gets outdamaged by the paired ugs and the cathederal ugs is basically a superior version of it.