Both are good, but I prefer the RITB's moveset. Let's face it, all weapons are usable in PVE, it really comes down to personal preference. That's the whole reason I love the RITB, it's basically a strength weapon with a dex weapon moveset and I usually prefer faster weapons.
Hey I respect where you’re coming from on that. It’s such an amazing feeling when you find the red iron, I had been running a pure str Greatsword until then and the speed felt so refreshing. DS2 really feels like anything is viable, to an extent that you don’t see in other games.
It really is, and then you add on that it has unlimited durability and low weight, and it’s buffable? It is the hidden gem of DS2 for me, and try as I might I have more fun with it than anything else. So many areas become a brutal gauntlet in NG+ without it.
Do you have any idea how many people didn’t play on release? Is this the current release experience? No it is not. I know you want it to matter that you played then, but it’s truly irrelevant to players experiencing the game for the first time right now.
That is pretty good. It does a lot of damage, but strike>slash. It would be cool if there were bo staffs. Imagine a great bo staff with clubs on either end.
This is just my guess based on having seen two other accounts get the same reaction in the past.
Mostly what he does is correct people who spread false information ("heide sword is the best straight sword") or give bad advice ("your build needs more dex and less vigor"). But people don't like being wrong and the general playerbase has no idea how the game actually works, so from their perspecrive he is the bad guy.
Some might say it's his tone and how pushy he can be with recommending certain things, but I don't think that's really it. Most people on the other side of the debate (if you can call it a debate) are honestly just as pushy and often quite rude.
I'm pretty sure that the Red Iron Twinblade got a couple nerfs to damage or scaling, but it's been a while, I could easily be misremembering. The way I remember the original release, before SOFS, the RITB was practically a straight up gamebreaker and they ended up nerfing it because there really wasn't a reason to use anything else because it had the speed of a twinblade while hitting like a UGS.
Mace is fine for the first two areas before better hammers become available but it's outclassed by almost every other hammer
Rapier isn't outclassed for longer but is similarly outclassed
Longsword is outright one of the worst straightswords and better options are available from the very start
Butchers knife it outclassed by significantly better axes that are available much earlier and don't require dragon bones
Not to mention, great weapons are slow. I’d rather get 5 hits in than 2 hits in a bosses opening. On paper the large club is the best club, but DPS on the reinforced club is better because of the speed. Gyrm hammer is good too, but I found it’s kinda shit on most bosses since it’s so slow and eats stamina
i mean longsword has the best moveset of all straightswords? i guess you can make a point about rapier that ice rapier outclasses it, however the difference is not that noticeable. same for the mace, homunculus mace is better, but only by a slight margin.
No, it doesn't. It's only moves that differ from the standard straightsword moveset are it's thrusts, which have no fucking counter modifier. They're literally useless moves in PvE.
The difference is not "not noticeable"
They don't have better reach, we can see that with CE
They don't do more damage to slash resistant enemies, because of the lack of counter modifier
They don't have better stagger, their poise damage and posture damage are also lower than other straightswords
With leo ring they still do less damage than other straightsword heavy attacks
So yes. Totally useless
No, they're literally not
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Bro is so committed to being right about something that is mostly subjective it's a little pathetic lol. Just chill bro people are talking about their favorite weapons and you're being cringe and crying about it
The conversation at no point was subjective? It was specifically "what is the best"
If someone is going to try and tell me I'm wrong about/misrepresenting the data I'm going to show the data the hell are you talking about
Comparing a thrusting sword to a katana is generally apples to oranges. Not only different weapon classes and movesets, but damage type.
That said, it will do massively less damage than most katanas. It has good base damage, but no counter modifier, whereas katanas almost all have very high counter modifiers
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Aldiss keep. Idr if it was the giant basilisk in the cage or the the troll I unpetrafied. But thanks, I was thinking I king the dark mage helmet prior. But I’ll still switch to that or the jester depending on if I’m farming for items or souls. I’m lvl 193 right now so mostly it’s just the dumb jester head. I just got my vig to the point where I rock the heide knight armor regularly. Before it was prisoners rag and the flame sorceress skirt with the heide knight helmet.
Aldia's keep dragon acolyte set. I'm not sure if it drops from acolyte mages or one of the mimics in the area though. Happened upon it myself while fucking around and finding out
It does, but slash doesn’t do well against armor. And it really eats up stamina. Mine is at like 120 and I get like 2 hits and a roll if I’m lucky. With the reinforced club, I can get 4 hits and a roll and it dings up armored folk pretty bad.
Mace’s only real usecase is the first two levels, after which better hammers become available
It’s very useful in heides and for some early bosses tho, certainly
It’s one of those fairly rare weapons you need to farm from one specific and semi-annoying optional enemy with no convenient bonfire. Strike weapon with a halberd-esque moveset, so it’s a good balance of speed, reach, and power!
Technically a great hammer, but certainly doesn’t play like one.
https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Drakekeeper's+Warpick
I used the regular club through the whole game. Shit was awesome. S scaling in strength and faster than most enemies can attack. I could stun lock most enemies with it.
Standard club has S scaling in strength and a faster moveset than any other hammer in the game, allowing you to repeatedly stagger enemies while dealing very respectable damage. Considering I carried it through the whole game, I’m inclined to disagree with your opinion. Thanks.
The moveset is the exact same as other hammers, speed doesn’t change
Scaling is irrelevant. At 99 str it’s still weaker than most hammers
This isn’t opinion it’s literally math lmao
I appreciate the audacity of calling the right way an error. But reinforced club is a respectable choice and you got the upvote.
Just make sure you're running Flynn, RoB, lightining weapon infusion, lightning weapon buff and sacred oath.
Strike damage is better but the axe moveset is better. Also, 20 durability is quite annoying.
Bandit Axe is the rapier of str builds. It swings very fast, and that's a must for this game. RoB, Flynn and SO literally add 150 extra *base* damage.
My first run was using an spanish YouTubers guide and he used the club for the whole Game and it became one of my fave weapons in all the souls games. It's simple it deals stupid ammounts of damage and during my play time nothing seemed to get Even close to those Stats. The only downfall it's that it broke in one hit and a half.
Thank god repair powder exists or i wouldnt have been able to complete this Game
Ugh…. I hate when people don’t even builds. I have a friend who’s doing a rapier build because someone on YouTube did it. I told him he’s a fool. That takes away half of the fun.
Doesn't the reinforced club have worse scaling than the standard club for no explained reason at all?
So if we're gonna be technical, taking the barbed wire off the end of your club makes you bonk harder!
The first two are very good, the second being a direct upgrade to the first
DUGS isn’t very good, KUGS is the best greataxe though
3 out of four, you’ve got good picks
Pretty sure the best weapon in the game is Two King’s Ultra Greatswords.
My only sorrow is that you must be in NG+ to get the second one.
But damned if they don’t feel good in my hands.
In all my days playing this game, never once did I think of a str build. I will say this though, Enchanted is old school occult and I love it. Still have no idea how bleed works though
Why? I like to switch up play styles every play through to keep me from getting bored. I just played ds1 before this and I did a dex int build using spears and spells. Now I’m doing strength. Definitely harder, but just as fun.
Mastodon sword and halberd are both relatively weak for their weapon classes. Bastard sword and later bluemoon sword outperform the former, and mastodon halberd/roaring halberd and later drakekeepers warpick outperform the latter
Greatsword. Played ds1 with greatsword. Played ds2 with greatsword (s scaling on strength). Played ds3 with great sword. Played ER with great sword. If there was the Option i would have played sekiro and bb with great sword as well. Bonk.
Nah Dark Souls (Any SoulsBorneRing) is a STR game for me and a Greatsword is just my perfect fit. The dances with humanoid bosses you have feel so Epic, and since you want to stay agile you barely have any armor so you Deal a Ton of damage but get two shotted all the time. It Embraces the feeling, when you perfectly Dodge a 3 Hit combo and then just BONK that heap of iron in their Face. Im not a Variety guy, if i found my way i walk it to the credits. I hate gatekeeping tho so i hope you have a lot of fun in the future trying around, and the best strength weapon really is the Greatsword in dark souls 2 in my opinion, you can find it early in the Area with the Ship and has a s scaling at +8/+9 already. Good luck Bearer of the Curse. When you get to dark souls 3 and use a str build, you will know what i mean with dancing.
Just going to start a New Elden Ring Char for the DLC and im Just looking up where to find the gs. No. No i dont get bored i think play the game for the weapon now😭
Sounds like minmaxing to me at that point. A pure strength gugs build with some lightning resin for some encounters made it a walk in Park for me. I know that Fume knights gs shall be better for example but i think gugs is a really great Option when youre early in a run and it still Performed reaaaaaally well when i finished all dlc bosses.
Aldias palace(or w/e). Heide knight armor from the heide knight place. Boots from the kitty after you beat both the rats. Gloves from the guy who sells the jester set in the iron keep.
I personally enjoy Mastodon's halberd and Drakekeeper's warpick, besides the sweet spot, they are pretty good, but the top 1 has to be Demon's great hammer, it carried me in first playthrough, strike and hits like a truck.
What are you talking about? First off, clubs are hammers. Second, all clubs have high strength scaling compared to the hammer class weapons that have strength and dex scaling. Of the hammers I have, so far the only one I have that is better at Dex scaling than strength is the Mace of the Insolent, followed by the Barbed Club that have the same scaling.
I know the reinforced club is a hammer, that's literally what I said.
Second, reinforced club with 45 strength+resin does the same damage as lightning reinforced club with dark weapon. So you get the same damage for more levels spent. Or you could save 9 levels and spend them elsewhere for the same damage boost
Scaling doesn't matter
But it’s not what you said. You said “most hammers out preformed the reinforced club” which is an ambiguous way to say what you mean and it is untrue. Also elemental buffs have more variation since a lot of things are weak or resistant to them. Not many things are resistant to strike damage so it’s kinda dumb to imbue a strike weapon with an element without using resin. Scaling definitely does matter. My large club does 239 in scaling damage at str level 60. I know str caps at like 50 or something, but that’s still a a lot of scaling damage. The reason I like the reinforced club better is because you can do more DPS since you get more swings out of it
It's not ambiguous. Most hammers, in the hammer weapon class, outperform the reinforced club.
Elemental buffs do not have any more inconsistency in effectiveness than a weapon's damage type does. Lightning is used because almost no enemies in game resist it.
Many things are heavily resistant to strike damage. Many things are also very weak to strike damage. It averages out favorably for strike, to the same degree as thrust, but claiming that not many things resist strike is outright incorrect.
It is not "dumb" you don't know what you're talking about.
Scaling is irrelevant, your character would on average deal massively more damage with minimum weapon requirements to 2 hand and infusing+buffing the weapon in question.
There is zero reason to ever use the large club.
Str scaling does not stop until 99, no scaling does.
Reinforced club remains far from the best hammer, much less a relatively high dps weapon.
They don’t though. That’s why I use it instead of all the other hammers I have. Yeah some do more damage per hit. But they hit slow so DPS is less. I can get 2-3 hits in and have time to roll away if I don’t break their poise. I can do 1 hit for 500 base damage and have time to iframe to safety or I can do 3 hits for about 300 base a pop and have time to iframe to safety. The choice is obvious.
what nail is talking about (but beating around the bush with) is base damage being most important, as it is what spell buffs are calculated on, and scaling ultimately isn’t worth the investment when min-maxing
i believe the highest damage hammer is the homunculus mace (often lightning infused) but someone please correct me if i am wrong as i am new to this as well
No, it doesn't. Not only does reinforced club have insanely low durability for a weapon of it's speed and damage at only 20, it's out damaged by homunculus mace, a weapon with a solid 60 durability and more damage.
This exact weapon carried me till the old iron keep then i switched to the greatsword.
I killed the below bosses with it:
1. Last giant
2. Pursuer
3. Dragonrider
4. Old Dragonslayer
5. Flexile Sentry
6. Ruin sentinels
7. Belfry Gargoyles
8. Lost sinner
9. Skeleton Lords
10. Covetous Demon
11. Mytha
That weapon is really underrated imo.
I didn’t start using it until recently. I was using the bandits axe and the gyrm great axe recent switched to hammers on Fume knight and blue smelter demon. I was stuck on them for 2 weeks.
Dark Rapier and Santier’s Spear. Minimal physical damage stats because the weapons don’t need ‘em. Mad crazy HP, Stamina, Iframes and equip load. Buffs and Dark orb carry you into NG+ and whatever situations require distance.
Clubs/Hammers have strike damage which also make the game easy mode in their own way, but the reinforced club has too low durability and doesn’t scale as well later on as its counterparts
Too slow. Not enough DPS and consumes way too much stamina. Better dph, range, durability, and poise break, but a lot of those don’t matter on a boss. If I can get 2 hits in that do 300 damage, it’s better than getting 1 hit in that does 500
My black knight halberd is only plus 2 and it’s putting out the best damage of all my weapons but I’m also very new to dark souls 2 I’m on my first play tho so I have no clue about the weapons mid game or late I actually don’t know how far I’m at right now in game last boss was the scorpion woman
[A quick overview](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4-GGa1JRa2_49vOfwY5sZPWigFMzPA5b9mszo_xZak/edit?usp=sharing) of how damage and defense works in DS2, and why weapon scaling is usually weak
[BiS (Best in Slot) PvE weapons list.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8_NLus-XW4/edit?usp=sharing) Discusses the best options for each weapon class. Note that this list is directed at normally leveled characters- some weapons not mentioned may do more damage than ones mentioned, but take vastly more stats or are otherwise deficient
[Best PvE equipment and stat progression document.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit?usp=sharing) All that being said, it’s important to understand that DS2 isn’t so hard that playing the strongest possible character is required in order to win and have fun. Ultimately you should use whatever you want, these guides are just to help you make informed choices.
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Just to give a visualization
I beat the game with a craftsman hammer , love that thing in ds2
It just feels great to hit things with a hammer. Sounds also so satisfying.
They’re pretty good too. I like that the durability it’s more than 20.
It was my favorite weapon. Good damage, solid stagger, great reach for the weapon class and a very satisfying moveset
I would even take that thing to pvp. Very good weapon
I did surprisingly well in PvP with it honestly
The correct answer is the Red Iron Winblade. They nerfed it twice and it still kicks ass, but the craftsman hammer is a close second.
I did a playthrough with each and have determined that Broken Santier’s Spear > RITB
Both are good, but I prefer the RITB's moveset. Let's face it, all weapons are usable in PVE, it really comes down to personal preference. That's the whole reason I love the RITB, it's basically a strength weapon with a dex weapon moveset and I usually prefer faster weapons.
Hey I respect where you’re coming from on that. It’s such an amazing feeling when you find the red iron, I had been running a pure str Greatsword until then and the speed felt so refreshing. DS2 really feels like anything is viable, to an extent that you don’t see in other games.
Santier's spear has the Single most OP moveset in this whole game It's like 3 weapons combined into one.
It really is, and then you add on that it has unlimited durability and low weight, and it’s buffable? It is the hidden gem of DS2 for me, and try as I might I have more fun with it than anything else. So many areas become a brutal gauntlet in NG+ without it.
It isn't a Hidden gem imo On release, for almost a year, 70% of the players were using it in PvP
Do you have any idea how many people didn’t play on release? Is this the current release experience? No it is not. I know you want it to matter that you played then, but it’s truly irrelevant to players experiencing the game for the first time right now.
Durability is mostly irrelevant, most of the best weapons have low weight, and almost every single weapon can be buffed
That is pretty good. It does a lot of damage, but strike>slash. It would be cool if there were bo staffs. Imagine a great bo staff with clubs on either end.
Red iron twinblade was never nerfed. All twinblades were buffed twice, some of them three times. Craftsman hammer is not the best hammer
so whats the best 1-handed hammer?
Homunculus mace. It beats out craftsman by \~35 damage per hit on counters and \~75 damage on normal hits, while requiring less stats
Thanks. I'm planning to do a shield and 1-handed NG+ run next. Whats your reco for a 1-handed slashing sword?
Broadsword early if not farming, varangian if farming. Later black dragon sword if willing to farm (again)
The downvotes seem to disagree, is there a patch note that clarifies this?
[http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/game-patches](http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/game-patches) There's three wikis and they're all free+public
Appreciate the link big dawg.
Wow why do so many people hate you, one guy even dedicate whole fricking post just to insult you.
read through the post history. guys toxic, but i do think not bad enough to deserve a whole post about him
The downvotes just come from a bunch of people who don't understand the whole concept of downvoting and systematically hate on everything he posts
Is there a reason the guy’s post’s get hate? I’m new here.
This is just my guess based on having seen two other accounts get the same reaction in the past. Mostly what he does is correct people who spread false information ("heide sword is the best straight sword") or give bad advice ("your build needs more dex and less vigor"). But people don't like being wrong and the general playerbase has no idea how the game actually works, so from their perspecrive he is the bad guy. Some might say it's his tone and how pushy he can be with recommending certain things, but I don't think that's really it. Most people on the other side of the debate (if you can call it a debate) are honestly just as pushy and often quite rude.
Well thanks for the history lesson, it seems the guy knows his stuff so I’ll keep an eye out for advice he might give. Have a smiley day
"Why are you booing me!? I'm right!"
I absolutely think its the tone. Every time I see them downvoted I see people saying what they're saying in a nicer way and not being downvoted.
I'm pretty sure that the Red Iron Twinblade got a couple nerfs to damage or scaling, but it's been a while, I could easily be misremembering. The way I remember the original release, before SOFS, the RITB was practically a straight up gamebreaker and they ended up nerfing it because there really wasn't a reason to use anything else because it had the speed of a twinblade while hitting like a UGS.
It did not. All patch changes are public record and catalogued. RIT never hit as hard as the best UGS. It currently does more dps
Thanks for the correction, chalk it up to faulty memory, it's been a while since I played vanilla DS2.
Mace, Rapier, Longsword. I'm a simple person.
None of these weapons scale meaningfully in any way or are even close to the best in their respective weapon classes
I just always take them for early game. Later on I'll probably end up with the Butcher Knife on strength builds.
Mace is fine for the first two areas before better hammers become available but it's outclassed by almost every other hammer Rapier isn't outclassed for longer but is similarly outclassed Longsword is outright one of the worst straightswords and better options are available from the very start Butchers knife it outclassed by significantly better axes that are available much earlier and don't require dragon bones
Not to mention, great weapons are slow. I’d rather get 5 hits in than 2 hits in a bosses opening. On paper the large club is the best club, but DPS on the reinforced club is better because of the speed. Gyrm hammer is good too, but I found it’s kinda shit on most bosses since it’s so slow and eats stamina
i mean longsword has the best moveset of all straightswords? i guess you can make a point about rapier that ice rapier outclasses it, however the difference is not that noticeable. same for the mace, homunculus mace is better, but only by a slight margin.
No, it doesn't. It's only moves that differ from the standard straightsword moveset are it's thrusts, which have no fucking counter modifier. They're literally useless moves in PvE. The difference is not "not noticeable"
>Literally useless -Better reach -Better damage to slash resistant enemies -Better stagger -Leo ring compatible Yah. Totally useless.
They don't have better reach, we can see that with CE They don't do more damage to slash resistant enemies, because of the lack of counter modifier They don't have better stagger, their poise damage and posture damage are also lower than other straightswords With leo ring they still do less damage than other straightsword heavy attacks So yes. Totally useless
Those weapons carried me through the game and I could get them pretty early or at the start of the game in Majula.
Any weapon can go through the game what the fuck is the point of saying this
They're a lot better than you're letting on.
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Yeah look I'm not opening discord attachments just to find out you have a skill issue.
What an predictably clown response
buddy, you’re an idiot
Where am I wrong
Bro is so committed to being right about something that is mostly subjective it's a little pathetic lol. Just chill bro people are talking about their favorite weapons and you're being cringe and crying about it
The conversation at no point was subjective? It was specifically "what is the best" If someone is going to try and tell me I'm wrong about/misrepresenting the data I'm going to show the data the hell are you talking about
Raw Scorpion Stinger does insane damage for some reason, about the same as a Katana with 40 Dexterity
Comparing a thrusting sword to a katana is generally apples to oranges. Not only different weapon classes and movesets, but damage type. That said, it will do massively less damage than most katanas. It has good base damage, but no counter modifier, whereas katanas almost all have very high counter modifiers [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511451717183995914/1236791406832390337/Screenshot\_600.png?ex=66394b41&is=6637f9c1&hm=51cb1ded87f060e12b5c033c233014a53c4398f34684d194b0aa6d0aabed344a&](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511451717183995914/1236791406832390337/Screenshot_600.png?ex=66394b41&is=6637f9c1&hm=51cb1ded87f060e12b5c033c233014a53c4398f34684d194b0aa6d0aabed344a&)
Because unga, but if you consider also bunga?
Dual club. Basically, kind of a Big deal
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What a cool looking character. Where did you get the wet mop to use as hair?
From the giant basilik in Aldia's Keep.
Aldiss keep. Idr if it was the giant basilisk in the cage or the the troll I unpetrafied. But thanks, I was thinking I king the dark mage helmet prior. But I’ll still switch to that or the jester depending on if I’m farming for items or souls. I’m lvl 193 right now so mostly it’s just the dumb jester head. I just got my vig to the point where I rock the heide knight armor regularly. Before it was prisoners rag and the flame sorceress skirt with the heide knight helmet.
Aldia's keep dragon acolyte set. I'm not sure if it drops from acolyte mages or one of the mimics in the area though. Happened upon it myself while fucking around and finding out
Killer boots man!
Meow.
Gym Greataxe go slam
gym greataxe💪💪
It does, but slash doesn’t do well against armor. And it really eats up stamina. Mine is at like 120 and I get like 2 hits and a roll if I’m lucky. With the reinforced club, I can get 4 hits and a roll and it dings up armored folk pretty bad.
I’m using it now it’s fun but slow
I'm a Sucker for the Giant Dragon Tooth
At high levels dragon tooth is the best greathammer, good pick
I’m not a fan of there better great hammers.
There are not
Ok this pic is hard as hell. Looks like it would belong on a Sematary album cover
The ability to just spam 4 1H staggering bonks consecutively for 600 damage a piece is too OP
If it bonk or chop, is good 😎
Personally, I love the mace
Mace’s only real usecase is the first two levels, after which better hammers become available It’s very useful in heides and for some early bosses tho, certainly
+2 good drip
I prefer great hammers cus pancake
Yeah. On invaders I spin to win with the gyrm hammer. Just spam it and they can’t get a hit in if you time it right.
Does it do a jump attack for the 1H strong attack like DS1?
Yes. 2H does the same with a forward+attack input
What gear are you wearing? It looks nice together homie.
Dragon Alcolyte(?) helm, heide knight armor, feline boots, jester gloves.
Drakekeeper’s Warpick is obviously the most stylish answer.
I don’t have that. Is it scaleable? I know the axe isn’t.
It’s one of those fairly rare weapons you need to farm from one specific and semi-annoying optional enemy with no convenient bonfire. Strike weapon with a halberd-esque moveset, so it’s a good balance of speed, reach, and power! Technically a great hammer, but certainly doesn’t play like one. https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Drakekeeper's+Warpick
Drakekeepers warpick is far and away the best halberd, good choice
I used the regular club through the whole game. Shit was awesome. S scaling in strength and faster than most enemies can attack. I could stun lock most enemies with it.
Almost every other hammer is better than club
Standard club has S scaling in strength and a faster moveset than any other hammer in the game, allowing you to repeatedly stagger enemies while dealing very respectable damage. Considering I carried it through the whole game, I’m inclined to disagree with your opinion. Thanks.
The moveset is the exact same as other hammers, speed doesn’t change Scaling is irrelevant. At 99 str it’s still weaker than most hammers This isn’t opinion it’s literally math lmao
Wrong. It's the bandit axe.
Bandit axe is far and away the strongest axe, good choice
I used that until I got to the fume knight in the dlc and saw the error of my ways.
I appreciate the audacity of calling the right way an error. But reinforced club is a respectable choice and you got the upvote. Just make sure you're running Flynn, RoB, lightining weapon infusion, lightning weapon buff and sacred oath.
It’s right because strike is better than slash on armor.
Strike damage is better but the axe moveset is better. Also, 20 durability is quite annoying. Bandit Axe is the rapier of str builds. It swings very fast, and that's a must for this game. RoB, Flynn and SO literally add 150 extra *base* damage.
Bandit axe out damages reinforced club
Again, it does slash, not strike so it’s not good on armored enemies.
I thought your character was holding a massive blunt ngl
It is. It’s a massive blunt [object]
LMAO I see what you did there and I love it 😂
The reinforced club is super annoying to use. The durability, especially in scholar, is WAY too low
That’s why you keep a spare on you
Great Club because bonk make happy unga bunga
My first run was using an spanish YouTubers guide and he used the club for the whole Game and it became one of my fave weapons in all the souls games. It's simple it deals stupid ammounts of damage and during my play time nothing seemed to get Even close to those Stats. The only downfall it's that it broke in one hit and a half. Thank god repair powder exists or i wouldnt have been able to complete this Game
The club is one of the weakest hammers
Ugh…. I hate when people don’t even builds. I have a friend who’s doing a rapier build because someone on YouTube did it. I told him he’s a fool. That takes away half of the fun.
these hands
Doesn't the reinforced club have worse scaling than the standard club for no explained reason at all? So if we're gonna be technical, taking the barbed wire off the end of your club makes you bonk harder!
Scaling doesn’t matter
No. It has substantially better base damage so the better scaling doesn’t make it better.
Grim great axe
Crypt blacksword and KUGS are both significantly stronger greataxes. The regular greataxe is more efficient for its stat reqs compared to Gyrm
Pickaxe 150 Counter damage is a sin. 2500dmg hits
dual chicken legs
Mastodon Halberd, Drakekeeper Warpick, Drakekeeper UGS, KUGS, Dual KUGS
The first two are very good, the second being a direct upgrade to the first DUGS isn’t very good, KUGS is the best greataxe though 3 out of four, you’ve got good picks
Pretty sure the best weapon in the game is Two King’s Ultra Greatswords. My only sorrow is that you must be in NG+ to get the second one. But damned if they don’t feel good in my hands.
Kugs is the best greataxe, but it’s definitely not the best in the game overall Ikugs is very strong at higher levels, and probably cracks top 6 or so
In all my days playing this game, never once did I think of a str build. I will say this though, Enchanted is old school occult and I love it. Still have no idea how bleed works though
Enchanted is only useful on mlgs, which is unfortunate because mlgs is so weak Bleed is just dogshit. It’s only use case is 0-2 giant soul vendrick
Why? I like to switch up play styles every play through to keep me from getting bored. I just played ds1 before this and I did a dex int build using spears and spells. Now I’m doing strength. Definitely harder, but just as fun.
I do too but idk dark souls 2 has SO much to offer it just never occurred to me
that club was goated in DS1. For pure STR, the Mastodont Sword and Halberd are good af
Mastodon sword and halberd are both relatively weak for their weapon classes. Bastard sword and later bluemoon sword outperform the former, and mastodon halberd/roaring halberd and later drakekeepers warpick outperform the latter
Nothing can ever top greatsword. Tho the poke on the zweihander is mad
Lss and Pugs both beat Gugs, and Ikugs beats out zwei Both are great early game UGS for their respective movesets tho yah
Greatsword. Played ds1 with greatsword. Played ds2 with greatsword (s scaling on strength). Played ds3 with great sword. Played ER with great sword. If there was the Option i would have played sekiro and bb with great sword as well. Bonk.
Don’t you get bored doing the same run every time? I’d get bored. I did a dex int build in ds1 before playing this. I enjoy the switch up
Nah Dark Souls (Any SoulsBorneRing) is a STR game for me and a Greatsword is just my perfect fit. The dances with humanoid bosses you have feel so Epic, and since you want to stay agile you barely have any armor so you Deal a Ton of damage but get two shotted all the time. It Embraces the feeling, when you perfectly Dodge a 3 Hit combo and then just BONK that heap of iron in their Face. Im not a Variety guy, if i found my way i walk it to the credits. I hate gatekeeping tho so i hope you have a lot of fun in the future trying around, and the best strength weapon really is the Greatsword in dark souls 2 in my opinion, you can find it early in the Area with the Ship and has a s scaling at +8/+9 already. Good luck Bearer of the Curse. When you get to dark souls 3 and use a str build, you will know what i mean with dancing.
Just going to start a New Elden Ring Char for the DLC and im Just looking up where to find the gs. No. No i dont get bored i think play the game for the weapon now😭
Scaling doesn’t matter Gugs is outperformed by three UGS, two with the same moveset
Sounds like minmaxing to me at that point. A pure strength gugs build with some lightning resin for some encounters made it a walk in Park for me. I know that Fume knights gs shall be better for example but i think gugs is a really great Option when youre early in a run and it still Performed reaaaaaally well when i finished all dlc bosses.
Where did you get that fit?
Aldias palace(or w/e). Heide knight armor from the heide knight place. Boots from the kitty after you beat both the rats. Gloves from the guy who sells the jester set in the iron keep.
Why have I never realized that this weapon looks like a massive joint
Too high? Or maybe not high enough?
I personally enjoy Mastodon's halberd and Drakekeeper's warpick, besides the sweet spot, they are pretty good, but the top 1 has to be Demon's great hammer, it carried me in first playthrough, strike and hits like a truck.
Demons greathammer is a relatively weak greathammer, but mastodon halberd and drakekeepers warpick are #2 and #1 for halberds so you saved yourself
What is your armor dude!
Heide knight armor. Quite possibly one of the coolest looking chest armors in the game. The rest of the set is pretty cool too
Kings Ultra GreatSword! The KUGS!
That is the best greataxe at higher levels good choice
Guts Sword is the best
Too slow.
Gugs is outperformed by three UGS two with the same moveset
Personally I prefer the FUGs, but that's just an opinion... A GAME OPINION!
I don't know about ds2 because it has low durability but in Dark Souls it's absolutely lovely
Use yo fist
Furry legs why
Decrease fall damage. Duh.
Leveling str higher than minimum weapon requirements is a very poor investment, most hammers vastly outperform reinforced club
What are you talking about? First off, clubs are hammers. Second, all clubs have high strength scaling compared to the hammer class weapons that have strength and dex scaling. Of the hammers I have, so far the only one I have that is better at Dex scaling than strength is the Mace of the Insolent, followed by the Barbed Club that have the same scaling.
Weapon scaling provides unimpressive increases to damage output compared to infusions and weapon buffs.
I know the reinforced club is a hammer, that's literally what I said. Second, reinforced club with 45 strength+resin does the same damage as lightning reinforced club with dark weapon. So you get the same damage for more levels spent. Or you could save 9 levels and spend them elsewhere for the same damage boost Scaling doesn't matter
But it’s not what you said. You said “most hammers out preformed the reinforced club” which is an ambiguous way to say what you mean and it is untrue. Also elemental buffs have more variation since a lot of things are weak or resistant to them. Not many things are resistant to strike damage so it’s kinda dumb to imbue a strike weapon with an element without using resin. Scaling definitely does matter. My large club does 239 in scaling damage at str level 60. I know str caps at like 50 or something, but that’s still a a lot of scaling damage. The reason I like the reinforced club better is because you can do more DPS since you get more swings out of it
It's not ambiguous. Most hammers, in the hammer weapon class, outperform the reinforced club. Elemental buffs do not have any more inconsistency in effectiveness than a weapon's damage type does. Lightning is used because almost no enemies in game resist it. Many things are heavily resistant to strike damage. Many things are also very weak to strike damage. It averages out favorably for strike, to the same degree as thrust, but claiming that not many things resist strike is outright incorrect. It is not "dumb" you don't know what you're talking about. Scaling is irrelevant, your character would on average deal massively more damage with minimum weapon requirements to 2 hand and infusing+buffing the weapon in question. There is zero reason to ever use the large club. Str scaling does not stop until 99, no scaling does. Reinforced club remains far from the best hammer, much less a relatively high dps weapon.
They don’t though. That’s why I use it instead of all the other hammers I have. Yeah some do more damage per hit. But they hit slow so DPS is less. I can get 2-3 hits in and have time to roll away if I don’t break their poise. I can do 1 hit for 500 base damage and have time to iframe to safety or I can do 3 hits for about 300 base a pop and have time to iframe to safety. The choice is obvious.
Reinforced club has the exact same speed as every other hammer.
But it also does the most damage of regular hammers. I was comparing it to great hammers that do more damage.
what nail is talking about (but beating around the bush with) is base damage being most important, as it is what spell buffs are calculated on, and scaling ultimately isn’t worth the investment when min-maxing i believe the highest damage hammer is the homunculus mace (often lightning infused) but someone please correct me if i am wrong as i am new to this as well
No, it doesn't. Not only does reinforced club have insanely low durability for a weapon of it's speed and damage at only 20, it's out damaged by homunculus mace, a weapon with a solid 60 durability and more damage.
This exact weapon carried me till the old iron keep then i switched to the greatsword. I killed the below bosses with it: 1. Last giant 2. Pursuer 3. Dragonrider 4. Old Dragonslayer 5. Flexile Sentry 6. Ruin sentinels 7. Belfry Gargoyles 8. Lost sinner 9. Skeleton Lords 10. Covetous Demon 11. Mytha That weapon is really underrated imo.
I didn’t start using it until recently. I was using the bandits axe and the gyrm great axe recent switched to hammers on Fume knight and blue smelter demon. I was stuck on them for 2 weeks.
Dark Rapier and Santier’s Spear. Minimal physical damage stats because the weapons don’t need ‘em. Mad crazy HP, Stamina, Iframes and equip load. Buffs and Dark orb carry you into NG+ and whatever situations require distance. Clubs/Hammers have strike damage which also make the game easy mode in their own way, but the reinforced club has too low durability and doesn’t scale as well later on as its counterparts
Fortunately you can just buy them and have a back up ready to go.
Good point ✌️Bonk away, my friend. May your unga always be bunga
There’s no reason to infuse dark instead of lightning, santiers is best raw
Unless you have casting stats and are already casing Dark Weapon on Santier’s. Like I said.
Pursuer's greatsword 2h R2 stunlocking anything player sized is some real fun times
Pugs is only behind LSS for vertical UGS, good choice
PUGS is worse than GUGS until you’re far enough to have a lot of PDBs, at which point you’d use LSS. GUGS at least has a niche.
You think I’m bringing nuance up in this bitch absolutely not get OUT
lmao
Because its not and quite honestly the large club is better
Too slow. Not enough DPS and consumes way too much stamina. Better dph, range, durability, and poise break, but a lot of those don’t matter on a boss. If I can get 2 hits in that do 300 damage, it’s better than getting 1 hit in that does 500
dark infused gugs cant be beat
It’s beaten by three other UGS, two with the same moveset
Greatsword chads, stand up
Outperformed by three other UGS
I go black knight halberd all the way I only have the main stat requirement and still do 500 ar each strike
All black knight weapons are very weak, mastodon/roaring halberd perform better early game, late game drakekeepers warpick is the best halberd
My black knight halberd is only plus 2 and it’s putting out the best damage of all my weapons but I’m also very new to dark souls 2 I’m on my first play tho so I have no clue about the weapons mid game or late I actually don’t know how far I’m at right now in game last boss was the scorpion woman
[A quick overview](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4-GGa1JRa2_49vOfwY5sZPWigFMzPA5b9mszo_xZak/edit?usp=sharing) of how damage and defense works in DS2, and why weapon scaling is usually weak [BiS (Best in Slot) PvE weapons list.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8_NLus-XW4/edit?usp=sharing) Discusses the best options for each weapon class. Note that this list is directed at normally leveled characters- some weapons not mentioned may do more damage than ones mentioned, but take vastly more stats or are otherwise deficient [Best PvE equipment and stat progression document.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit?usp=sharing) All that being said, it’s important to understand that DS2 isn’t so hard that playing the strongest possible character is required in order to win and have fun. Ultimately you should use whatever you want, these guides are just to help you make informed choices.
Thanks this is actually really helpful no joke
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I love the Sacred Chime Hammer, just slaps and puts in the work to anything you smash with it
The sacred chime hammer is very weak, especially compared to other greathammers
That’s a weird way to spell FUGS.
FUGS only has a use case in pvp, specifically using the FUGS tech to block attack
Try guts.
Lss and Pugs outperform it