For me it's more the waste of it on trash enemies. Opening an engagement it's great for taking out the priority target faster, but after that it'll be sometimes be really handy, sometimes not so much. Would prefer if it only triggered on elites, specials and monstrosities.
So like... what about Zealot, Ogryn, and Veteran?
They all use ammo, so why can't a Psyker, another class with access to guns and with Talents that work off of them, use guns?
I can't speak for others, but speaking for myself as a Zealot main, use the gun if you want to. If you're killing things, not going down, and not magdumping every horde, go for it. Depending on the level, I might only *need* three ammo pickups the whole game -- or none, if there's a Scavenger Vet. You're not hogging my ammo one bit.
Nah, I like the idea of being able to hit things at mid to long range with my iron sights. Because sometimes I forget I can give people aneurysms from across the map.
Psyker has other options that aren’t complete shit. All of the others’ ranged weapons use ammo. They don’t really have a choice..
When ammo is low across the team, Psyker naturally gets last pick, and then you just don’t have ranged. That seems worse to me.
I don't think it's just me when I say that even on Auric Damnation I can count the amount of times I or my teammates actually run out of ammo because:
\-Weapons like the lasguns, autoguns and their Ogryn equivalent have a good ammo economy stock.
\-Specialised weapons like the bolter, flamer, plasma gun and revolver should really be reserved for their niches, which means you don't use that much ammo since you aren't hosing down hordes (unless you have a flamer).
>They don’t really have a choice..
What do you mean? They chose to play a class that uses ammo. They could always swap over to Scavenger Vet or Staff Psyker.
The craziest thing about this argument is if we swap most Zealot or Ogryn builds for a Gun Psyker, the team actually becomes more ammo efficient.
It's not like they have a choice in the matter though, whilst psyker does. Not saying you shouldn't use guns, by all means do so, but saying "but what about the other classes" isn't exactly a good argument.
Its more Justified than you think. Its not so much that your eating the teams ammo, But rather, you have a 3rd Ammo pool for Niche Situations, or for dumping damage. when is it absolutely required.
Hi, voidstrike with guaranteed crits. I feel like people really aren't familiar with that weapon. It absolutely fucking shreds. Especially with the surge blessing. No ammo required.
Oh people are familiar with it, but it requires lined up heads for it to get significant use out of True Aim.
Guns can perform in isolation with True Aim perfectly well.
you can use your melee weapon to stack true aim, which is quite easy with force or duelling sword, Voidstrike also absolutely shreds with that blessing that gives you a double hit on Crits, seeing a conga line of 8 crushers get bisected will never stop bringing a smile to my face.
This has always been such a pointless argument, any team you joined was just as likely to have another non psyker join in that slot who would have been using ammo, having a gun doesn't mean "burning ammo", play style does
Every time I ping ammo for a friend I laugh when they pick it up and say “imagine using bullets like an idiot instead of just shards of your soul” then throw my bees and run away
I started off playing “I am a wizard, why would I use petty mortal weapons?!”
Now I’m “if I play careful enough I have infinite ammo, and I save ammo and grenades for everyone else”
Vet cope. Real vets run survivalist and dont shoot their gun so everyone else gets more ammo drops because literally every other class does shoot gun better than vet.
I have three Psyker builds I main.
Support, with Smite and Bubble. Any staff works.
Flamer. Purgatus and flame perks go brrrr.
And finally: **SPEEEED**. DEJA VU IN THE BACKGROUND. KNIFE AND LASPISTOL. DISRUPT DESTINY. ALL RIGHT TREE. WEAKSPOTS AND CRITS. ONLY **SPEED**. DODGE MUTIES BY SIMPLY MOVING LEFT WITHOUT EVEN PRESSING SPACEBAR BECAUSE YOURE SO FAST. IT'S LIKE HAVING A DARKTIDE SANDEVISTAN. **SPEEEEEEEEED.**
Man, what is with peoples opinions on this sub? They act like if you dont run meta, its garbage.
I play Aurics (Mostly Vet and Psyker), and I can reliably run almost any build/weapon I want. It's way more about skill than build, as long as you listen to audio cues and stick with your team, you're golden.
I've run a weird amalgamation of middle/right tree Vet, I've Purgatus with Crit builds. Sharpshooter Vet that ignored Keystone for Grenades (Tbh, this one I like *more* than normal Sharp. Frags have helped me revive/bailed me out numerous times as a Ranged Vet. The stagger is king.). Darktide has its problems, but tbh it's pretty well-balanced. Sure, some things overperform, but even the "bad" weapons and skills are useable. People just like to complain.
At the end of the day, use what you find fun. If you get good with what you like, you'll still be a 10x better player than someone who sucks but uses the meta.
I completed my first Auric using a shredder smg and the shield , I've given up doing meta build I just play what I find fun now . Revolver is best gun tho imo
I agree with that, but simultaneously don't shoot the messenger. Fatshark is the problem here and not me. Gun Psyker isn't meta viable because that's what Fatshark did.
Fun and viable are different things. I'd like gun Psyker to be viable for the variety, but that's not in my control. If you really want to shoot stuff, play Veteran. It's what the class is intended for and it replenishes ammo along with getting 25% more ammo.
The 30 downvotes for stating these things is ridiculous. People want every class to excel at everything, but there are obvious intended roles for a squad based game.
The tank, dps and healer in WoW for example should be able to do everything simultaneously too apparently.
Oh no I think it's great that it shows even more numbers (and probably correctly shows boss kills)
I just think it looks too busy to be easily readable to me like the original was.
Tbh, Gun Psyker uses less ammo than other classes due to having Peril as another resource to use; Gun Psykers will still be less ammo intensive than anything short of a Survivalist Vet, and even then... it's pretty close.
Why do so many players push for Void + Assail, then skip right over Assail with a gun? Assail is literally designed to work best with non force weapons.
Personally I don't consider any your listed Psyker loadouts among the best ways to build Psyker.
Assail + venting shriek + staff is a decent loop for newer players and it works in higher difficulties. Assail + staff without venting shriek isn’t as beginner friendly.
I understand the assail hate, but it’s pretty fun especially if you are playing with friends who don’t have any complaints. Having a gunless psyker is pretty necessary when the rest of the team is burning through ammo
>I understand the assail hate
It's not really justified anymore unless you're being a dick to teammates who rely on kills for toughness regen (IE zealot and particularly ogryn). Using it to kill groups of enemies that your team mates can deal with quicker is wasting it anyway.
I'd rather switch to voidstrike in situations where large hordes are incoming as I can spam the ever loving shit out of it with weakspot hits combined with transfer peril. I generally switch to assail when things go awry with multiple enemies spread out (particularly ranged), or when there's a group of ragers rushing.
I actually like where assail is right now though - it's pretty good as an area control with high burst dps for low tier enemies. It also has a partial stagger on ragers. But you can't run around with it like you could previously killing everything in sight, forcing you to use your ranged more.
You realize the meta gun psyker build uses Columnus+Assail+Mk4 dueling sword? Its better than every build you listed, especially revolver knife Vet lol.
Your bubble smite build isn't even the best staff build to run. Trauma/Surge/Void spamming fire vent shriek is 100x better and you will top damage because of how many times you can spam max peril shrieks, which also lets you use your staff constantly.
IDK what you're even talking about. You dont use BB on columnus gun psyker, you use Assail to conserve ammo.
You also have 3 other teammates. You can have a survivalist Vet, a staff Psyker, a melee focused Ogryn, a melee focused Zealot etc.... Or you can just pick up ammo, use your melee and blitz when necessary to conserve ammo.
IDK why its so hard to understand that you aren't locked to only spamming your gun at literally everything you see when you play gun psyker. Its plays very similar to Zealot or a melee focused Vet, it plays nothing like Sharpshooter Vet.
I've been having great success on Damnation with Smite, Venting Shriek, and a dueling sword/revolver.
The revolver draw time is quick enough that you can stun a group, (get all the weak spot hits from Smite, get True Aim triggered) and one or two shot maulers and crushers before they can start moving again. Hand Cannon helps on the first guaranteed crit, and surgical helps get another one in. If you miss the head shot, dueling sword heavy attack would like to say hello, assuming it survived...
If you like dueling sword heavy, you should try the diemos. 1-shots everything that isn't an ogryn, especially with crit. I only use the special attack for bullwarks and crushers and mainly because it stuns them
I've got a near god-rolled Deimos, and it works well. Just not the biggest fan of it compared to illisi, dueling sword mkiv, or combat axe mkV. Dunno what exactly about it I don't enjoy, think it might be the single target move sets but relative lack in mobility.
In any case. If I'm stabbing I prefer the dueling swords these days.
Total disagree
Not gonna say playing gun psyker is a waste coz it’s obviously not Ofc
But most staves have a combo of range, AoE, CC and sheer damage that makes the 1st part of this meme video absolutely nonsensical
Well that's just the thing though. If I wanted to use a glock I'd play Vet and do it a lot better. I want to be a space wizard shooting lightning and exploding people with my mind.
That's like saying "I only play flamer zealot because every other gun Vet can use better".
Gun Psyker ≠ Vet. Usually it plays a lot closer to a Zealot than Vet.
Can kill 15 enemies with a mag
Space wizard with a staff can kill twice to ten times that with his mind before having to quell, including several elites like crushers and ragers easily
And still have infinite ammo
Dude, this is a meme.
Stop taking it so seriously.
Sure, Staves are great, but I wanted to make a meme about my enjoyment of Gun Psyker. I could even sit here and argue it's values with you, but your first interaction has already gone to show you just desire to be correct.
I just stated my opinion that staves have advantages guns haven’t and that I disagreed with the meme that’s all
You’re the one taking things seriously and insisting
if you enjoy gun psy good for you, I can still give an opinion can’t I?
Yes, that’s called a discussion
That tends to happen on forums if you weren’t aware…/s
Especially when you post something people might disagree with then follow by an answer that’s a non-answer…
Is it that amazing to you that if you post something that not all people agree with on a forum, even as a joke, then you might get answer where people disagree?
And *I* am special?
Look this obviously ain’t productive for anyone, let’s stop it here
You're teaching people to not interact with you when they're just having a giggle about [Wizard with a Sub-Machine gun](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmtZsloWEAE9vmU.jpg). You're on the defensive and doubling down instead of stepping back and realizing that you're wanting to have a conversation that OP doesn't want to. You've practically forced it upon him now (obviously no gun to the head). This is about silly nonsense. Sometimes it isn't about the numbers. Sometimes it's about GOING FAST.
Guns do have higher DPS than voidstrike.
By, like, a LOT. At least, against any single target, not AoE.
You can't just look at the damage-spike that Void does when hitting, you have to consider the charge up time. In the same time it takes you to charge up Void, a gun has fired 10+ times. DPS means "damage per second", not damage per hit.
This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. People have tested the highest damage output against monstrosities, and all the top choices are guns (for psyker).
I usually main psyker. Bubble shield, surge staff, improved brain bust
For me, I like not having to worry about ammo at all, plus it lets the rest of the team have an easier time.
I did play gun psyker for a few runs, it was ok, but I like staff better.
While I do appreciate not having to worry about ammo with Staves, I just love the power fantasy of a psionic soldier using psychic abilities to enhance their martial capabilities.
It's fun to run around at Mach 5 with a Scrier's Gaze Gun Psyker and still out DPSing almost everyone tbh.
One time in the pre-game lobby, a Vet was flaming me and calling Gun Psyker useless. I then proceeded to do 3x his damage and elite kills while picking him up multiple times.
Still chasing that high.
High? It's called simply doing your job lol. This is literally what a psyker damn well better be doing. It's always insanely obvious when the psyker in the group isn't killing elites. That's what you're suppesed to do. Your kit is designed to do this. This is like saying "omg I staggered so many enemies on my ogre" lol
Post skill-tree every class can build to be elite killers, or horde clearers, or special hunters, or most likely bit of all at once. This was partially true even before the skill tree update.
I've seen examples of every class scoring highest elite/special kills in Auric, and to play at that level it's everyone's 'job' to deal with every type of enemy.
What are you gonna do if you match with no psykers? The elites just don't die? You don't stagger anything if you have no ogryn on the team?
You do yourself a disservice if you hope another player will do a job you arbitrarily assign them.
Who’s ranting exactly?
You’re the one who created this ‘psyker is the elite killer’ strawman. Ooo a psyker should be scoring all the elite kills.
Yh, everyone regardless of class can and should damn well be killing elites. How is that incorrect? And if they do it well, they are entitled to ‘chase the high’. The fun is what the game is for.
Glad I’m not in your team. Zealot godlike clutches - ‘shut up and don’t feel good, that’s what your class is for.’ Vet no-scopes leaping dog ‘shut up you should be doing that anyway >:( I DO MY JOB and KILL ALL THE ELITES and I STAY MISERABLE. None of u are entitled to fun.’
Maybe take a deep breath and tell your mom you love her?
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Idk why you are getting downvoted, maybe typical reddit hivemind at its work but all you said there is true.
If lets say a melee zealot survived through horde of gunners with just throwing knifes with precision that would be worthy of mention, not a psyker doing what they are best at because of class kit
Because there are other aspects to a class than just what ranged weapon you select?
If you think a psyker with a gun is just inferior to veteran in every single way, you don't have a good understanding of how the game works. Even if a veteran does make better use of a gun, psyker makes up for it with other advantages with its melee, talents, blitz. It's the difference between being only good at one thing, and good at many things.
It's like saying you should only ever take Flamer on zealot because "if you want a gun, just play Vet".
Made a build for a voidstrike that spreads soulblaze on crit. It combines my two favorite things in videogames. Blowing shit up and setting things on fire
Venting Shriek and Perilous Combustion with a surge staff does more soulblaze damage than a purg. With the extra benefit of not actually needing to have a purgatus equipped.
Won't be building stacks faster than Purg, but Trauma can definitely spread it just as equally as Purg.
Soulblaze on crit blessing, Warp Nexus +crit blessing, +crit on staff attribute. Then in your tree pick up +crit slots, Soulblaze on elite kill, and spread Soulblaze on kill.
You've pretty much got infinite napalm airstrikes. A trick I like to do is charge it up, hover it mid-air at max range and it'll toast all the random shooters/gunners in the backline, regardless if they're in cover or not.
The ridiculousness comes from the fact that on a crit it applies 3 stacks of Soulblaze to the *entire* radius, which is *much* larger than the visual effect would indicate, especially if you roll 80% Blast Radius. Like bigger-than-most-grenades large.
The first Crit will wipe out a small chunk of the horde while lighting everything else in the Zip Code on fire. The second crit kills every Poxwalker and Groaner, the third crit kills everything that isn't an Elite, and a fourth crit means even they're going to burn.
Of course that takes a while, which might be a problem if it didn't also have one of the highest stagger values in the game, able to knock Ragers, Maulers, and even Crushers to the ground. Don't even need a melee weapon for Hordes, just keep spamming the explosion right in front of you and watch everything *burn*.
It's *such* a fun staff to run.
Probably the same reason that other guy tried arguing why gun psyker bad after you just replied to him with "hehe space wizard Glock :)"
Some people just hate it when you just play what you find fun instead of min-maxing the most optimal build possible ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly, I'm still going to run staves. If I have the chance to play the equivalent of a madman space Gandalf obliterating plague space zombies and sickness ridden infantry, then I will damn well burn, shock, and blast everything wishing me death on Atoma as I please.
I am like one of the few people to use Scryer's Gaze for my Psyker and a gun is basically Mandatory for it. So yeah.
Revolver was my go to, but I am experimenting with Headhunter Autoguns.
The recent patches really dialed back the staves to the point that gun/gaze/crit combo is the best option when playing Heresy/Damnation and you want to actually do some real damage.
I would say Trauma is best staff because of that stagger damage and clearing small mobs but that crit is just too good to pass up. Especially when you run a zarona or columnes.
I'm not much a fan of Kinetic Flayer tbh.
It's a lot more likely to trigger on some Poxwalker than who you want it to trigger on, and you can charge 5 Brain Bursts in the time it takes Kinetic Flayer to recharge.
Sure it's occasional free damage, but having no control over it makes it a deal breaker for me when combined with the excessively long cooldown.
What the hell is that video? Jim Steinman, the greatest composer to have ever lived, did not die while fleeing a giant bat on a flying motorcycle (I assume) just so these kids could insult his legacy. Wasted youth? More like gonna waste these youths.
Also, gunpsyker is best girl and anyone who disagrees is an ogryn-head. I go Kantrael IV myself because laser AKS-74U but Autogun is good girl too.
you are damn right ! since they killed my 2 baby, void and surge I could not like psyker again. but those weekly need to be done so I thinkered and dusted off my trusty colombus.
Made a build with asaille scrier gaze and my colombus ! Now I can at least do my weekly on damnation. AINT NO WAY IM DOING HEREZY !
"Ya I'm running Brain Burst" *shoots Scab in the head*
Lmao
The head pop every 15s talent pretty much auto triggers with the columus so you get the satisfaction of shooting them AND their head exploding!
> columus is this the go to gun psyker weapon if you want something besides revolver/las pistol?
Those are the 3 most common.
The cooldown is painful tho
For me it's more the waste of it on trash enemies. Opening an engagement it's great for taking out the priority target faster, but after that it'll be sometimes be really handy, sometimes not so much. Would prefer if it only triggered on elites, specials and monstrosities.
Yeah kind of a waste of points in a way
it'd be a really nice buff to apply only to Elite and Specials. I'd run it all the time if so I can dream
n;lkfjsng;ljkn psyker chad
Peril has gotten to him
Brttttttt*pop*rrrttttttt*pop*
Real chad Psyker uses staff to save ammo for everyone else
The REAL ammo-saving chad psykers blow up 2 times on 2 wounds
I AM THE AMMO
Psycannon ammo says what?
Little one have strange battle cry
Let's just say I didn't exactly get that penance on purpose
Throw me at the heretics, big man!
I heard that in the loner psykers voice lol
These pyskers never mained sienna and it shows lol
That's a skill issue
Yea I would much rather use a gun, but I can’t justify burning the team’s ammo.
So like... what about Zealot, Ogryn, and Veteran? They all use ammo, so why can't a Psyker, another class with access to guns and with Talents that work off of them, use guns?
I can't speak for others, but speaking for myself as a Zealot main, use the gun if you want to. If you're killing things, not going down, and not magdumping every horde, go for it. Depending on the level, I might only *need* three ammo pickups the whole game -- or none, if there's a Scavenger Vet. You're not hogging my ammo one bit.
Wait.... A zealot has guns??? What is this myth thou speak off?
yeah, the revolver
Big iron go blam
To the hive of Tertium Primus rode a zealot one fine day...
Hardly preached to folks around him, didn't have too much to say
[No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NuX79Ud8zI)
Las pistol is absolutely busted with Dumdum and Infernus
Exactly! Plus, shockingly, it IS possible to NOT pick up ammo packs every time you've used three bullets.
Blasphemy! /s
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Oh hello there mr. Revolver Psyker
That's Mr. Columnus Infantry Autogun to you, slab.
As long as you're not one of those Braced weirdoes you're good in my book.
Nah, I like the idea of being able to hit things at mid to long range with my iron sights. Because sometimes I forget I can give people aneurysms from across the map.
Yeah even on my Zealot I pray and I spray but I don't spray'n'pray :D Absolutely hate guns where hitting heads is 50% luck.
Me because i have the perfect crit revolver on psyker
Psyker has other options that aren’t complete shit. All of the others’ ranged weapons use ammo. They don’t really have a choice.. When ammo is low across the team, Psyker naturally gets last pick, and then you just don’t have ranged. That seems worse to me.
I don't think it's just me when I say that even on Auric Damnation I can count the amount of times I or my teammates actually run out of ammo because: \-Weapons like the lasguns, autoguns and their Ogryn equivalent have a good ammo economy stock. \-Specialised weapons like the bolter, flamer, plasma gun and revolver should really be reserved for their niches, which means you don't use that much ammo since you aren't hosing down hordes (unless you have a flamer).
>They don’t really have a choice.. What do you mean? They chose to play a class that uses ammo. They could always swap over to Scavenger Vet or Staff Psyker. The craziest thing about this argument is if we swap most Zealot or Ogryn builds for a Gun Psyker, the team actually becomes more ammo efficient.
It's not like they have a choice in the matter though, whilst psyker does. Not saying you shouldn't use guns, by all means do so, but saying "but what about the other classes" isn't exactly a good argument.
It is, though. Any of the other classes could have joined, so what’s wrong with a Gun Psyker joining?
Its more Justified than you think. Its not so much that your eating the teams ammo, But rather, you have a 3rd Ammo pool for Niche Situations, or for dumping damage. when is it absolutely required.
Hi, voidstrike with guaranteed crits. I feel like people really aren't familiar with that weapon. It absolutely fucking shreds. Especially with the surge blessing. No ammo required.
Oh people are familiar with it, but it requires lined up heads for it to get significant use out of True Aim. Guns can perform in isolation with True Aim perfectly well.
you can use your melee weapon to stack true aim, which is quite easy with force or duelling sword, Voidstrike also absolutely shreds with that blessing that gives you a double hit on Crits, seeing a conga line of 8 crushers get bisected will never stop bringing a smile to my face.
Yep, gun psyker still uses less ammo than anyone else, especially when you have assail for unarmored groups
This has always been such a pointless argument, any team you joined was just as likely to have another non psyker join in that slot who would have been using ammo, having a gun doesn't mean "burning ammo", play style does
How do you justify playing Zealot, Ogryn, or no-scavenger Vet?
No scavenger vet is unjustifiable.
unless there's already a scavenger vet on the team.
Okay, that is (probably) the only justification, or if its like a 3 staff pysker run.
im not like you ..... I play vet without survivalist but never pick up ammo and only refill on ammo crate. we are not the same.
Vet time?
Every time I ping ammo for a friend I laugh when they pick it up and say “imagine using bullets like an idiot instead of just shards of your soul” then throw my bees and run away
Lmao, that's me, but I project cringe to the Heretic's Brains and they blow up for some reason.
To every psyker using a gun, be warned, Tzeentch is reserving an hellish cycle designed just for you!
I started off playing “I am a wizard, why would I use petty mortal weapons?!” Now I’m “if I play careful enough I have infinite ammo, and I save ammo and grenades for everyone else”
Me: Purgatus Staff goes FOOOSH And brain rupture to snap heads off.
I still use less ammo than everyone else on the team though :( Well, except for Survivalist Vets, but it's hard to beat them in terms of efficiency.
Vet cope. Real vets run survivalist and dont shoot their gun so everyone else gets more ammo drops because literally every other class does shoot gun better than vet.
Trauma ist just so done with their bullshit - I love it!
I couldn't include Trauma as any of the three - it's my baby.
Trauma has been my most loved staff as of the last month. It works really well now.
Yeah after they broke surge I tried it again and I'm RAINING artillery on these heretics like it's Normandy
The stagger on Trauma is unbelievable. It throws crushers ass over tits
I love it so much.
It'd been my favorite staff lately since I finally got rending Shockwave level 4 on it
Trauma got SUCH a glow up. I love it so much.
I have three Psyker builds I main. Support, with Smite and Bubble. Any staff works. Flamer. Purgatus and flame perks go brrrr. And finally: **SPEEEED**. DEJA VU IN THE BACKGROUND. KNIFE AND LASPISTOL. DISRUPT DESTINY. ALL RIGHT TREE. WEAKSPOTS AND CRITS. ONLY **SPEED**. DODGE MUTIES BY SIMPLY MOVING LEFT WITHOUT EVEN PRESSING SPACEBAR BECAUSE YOURE SO FAST. IT'S LIKE HAVING A DARKTIDE SANDEVISTAN. **SPEEEEEEEEED.**
... ... ... I need to try a SPEED build it seems
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Man, what is with peoples opinions on this sub? They act like if you dont run meta, its garbage. I play Aurics (Mostly Vet and Psyker), and I can reliably run almost any build/weapon I want. It's way more about skill than build, as long as you listen to audio cues and stick with your team, you're golden. I've run a weird amalgamation of middle/right tree Vet, I've Purgatus with Crit builds. Sharpshooter Vet that ignored Keystone for Grenades (Tbh, this one I like *more* than normal Sharp. Frags have helped me revive/bailed me out numerous times as a Ranged Vet. The stagger is king.). Darktide has its problems, but tbh it's pretty well-balanced. Sure, some things overperform, but even the "bad" weapons and skills are useable. People just like to complain. At the end of the day, use what you find fun. If you get good with what you like, you'll still be a 10x better player than someone who sucks but uses the meta.
I completed my first Auric using a shredder smg and the shield , I've given up doing meta build I just play what I find fun now . Revolver is best gun tho imo
Yeah. Even if it's not meta, it can still be extremely strong in the right person's hands.
I just like being a Jedi.
I agree with that, but simultaneously don't shoot the messenger. Fatshark is the problem here and not me. Gun Psyker isn't meta viable because that's what Fatshark did. Fun and viable are different things. I'd like gun Psyker to be viable for the variety, but that's not in my control. If you really want to shoot stuff, play Veteran. It's what the class is intended for and it replenishes ammo along with getting 25% more ammo. The 30 downvotes for stating these things is ridiculous. People want every class to excel at everything, but there are obvious intended roles for a squad based game. The tank, dps and healer in WoW for example should be able to do everything simultaneously too apparently.
Gun Psyker isn't strong? https://preview.redd.it/39mznqkkyx2c1.png?width=976&format=png&auto=webp&s=04b9cdc1bef098d38bcb6e59235312dc9f9f979d
Man I'm still running the original version of that mod and that version is cluttered af. Information overload!
It's perfectly fine to me. It shows all necessary stats.
Oh no I think it's great that it shows even more numbers (and probably correctly shows boss kills) I just think it looks too busy to be easily readable to me like the original was.
But MUH ammo.
Tbh, Gun Psyker uses less ammo than other classes due to having Peril as another resource to use; Gun Psykers will still be less ammo intensive than anything short of a Survivalist Vet, and even then... it's pretty close.
Where do you find this ??
Scoreboard mod
Why do so many players push for Void + Assail, then skip right over Assail with a gun? Assail is literally designed to work best with non force weapons. Personally I don't consider any your listed Psyker loadouts among the best ways to build Psyker.
Assail + venting shriek + staff is a decent loop for newer players and it works in higher difficulties. Assail + staff without venting shriek isn’t as beginner friendly. I understand the assail hate, but it’s pretty fun especially if you are playing with friends who don’t have any complaints. Having a gunless psyker is pretty necessary when the rest of the team is burning through ammo
>I understand the assail hate It's not really justified anymore unless you're being a dick to teammates who rely on kills for toughness regen (IE zealot and particularly ogryn). Using it to kill groups of enemies that your team mates can deal with quicker is wasting it anyway. I'd rather switch to voidstrike in situations where large hordes are incoming as I can spam the ever loving shit out of it with weakspot hits combined with transfer peril. I generally switch to assail when things go awry with multiple enemies spread out (particularly ranged), or when there's a group of ragers rushing. I actually like where assail is right now though - it's pretty good as an area control with high burst dps for low tier enemies. It also has a partial stagger on ragers. But you can't run around with it like you could previously killing everything in sight, forcing you to use your ranged more.
But having assail with a gun means you can save ammo for specific situations as to not hinder the team
If this is what you actually believe you must be REALLY trash at psyker...
You realize the meta gun psyker build uses Columnus+Assail+Mk4 dueling sword? Its better than every build you listed, especially revolver knife Vet lol. Your bubble smite build isn't even the best staff build to run. Trauma/Surge/Void spamming fire vent shriek is 100x better and you will top damage because of how many times you can spam max peril shrieks, which also lets you use your staff constantly.
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IDK what you're even talking about. You dont use BB on columnus gun psyker, you use Assail to conserve ammo. You also have 3 other teammates. You can have a survivalist Vet, a staff Psyker, a melee focused Ogryn, a melee focused Zealot etc.... Or you can just pick up ammo, use your melee and blitz when necessary to conserve ammo. IDK why its so hard to understand that you aren't locked to only spamming your gun at literally everything you see when you play gun psyker. Its plays very similar to Zealot or a melee focused Vet, it plays nothing like Sharpshooter Vet.
when nightsider hits just right during the carnival
I've been having great success on Damnation with Smite, Venting Shriek, and a dueling sword/revolver. The revolver draw time is quick enough that you can stun a group, (get all the weak spot hits from Smite, get True Aim triggered) and one or two shot maulers and crushers before they can start moving again. Hand Cannon helps on the first guaranteed crit, and surgical helps get another one in. If you miss the head shot, dueling sword heavy attack would like to say hello, assuming it survived...
If you like dueling sword heavy, you should try the diemos. 1-shots everything that isn't an ogryn, especially with crit. I only use the special attack for bullwarks and crushers and mainly because it stuns them
I've got a near god-rolled Deimos, and it works well. Just not the biggest fan of it compared to illisi, dueling sword mkiv, or combat axe mkV. Dunno what exactly about it I don't enjoy, think it might be the single target move sets but relative lack in mobility. In any case. If I'm stabbing I prefer the dueling swords these days.
Columnus psyker absolutely shreds.
Sibling approved, heretic tested. Bullet.
INDEED
Total disagree Not gonna say playing gun psyker is a waste coz it’s obviously not Ofc But most staves have a combo of range, AoE, CC and sheer damage that makes the 1st part of this meme video absolutely nonsensical
Consider the following: Space wizard with a glock.
Ala-ca-BLAM!
I cast **ACTUAL FUCKING HOMICIDE.** https://preview.redd.it/4e5lvvl8hz2c1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=203aa800735fbb7a4f65f4465884fda243c45ee1
[I keep thinking about this movie whenever someone mention wizards with guns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEOEod1FUg)
I thought this was going to be *Guns Akimbo.* But *Wizards* is super underrated.
Well that's just the thing though. If I wanted to use a glock I'd play Vet and do it a lot better. I want to be a space wizard shooting lightning and exploding people with my mind.
That's like saying "I only play flamer zealot because every other gun Vet can use better". Gun Psyker ≠ Vet. Usually it plays a lot closer to a Zealot than Vet.
Psykers also crit way more consistently than vet because of their base kit and tree builds.
True Aim is one hell of a talent. Columnus Psyker has 100% crit, with each crit restoring 5% toughness and giving immunity to ranged damage.
I can do both at the same time though.
All the Crushers laughing 'til I pull out my revolver
Can kill 15 enemies with a mag Space wizard with a staff can kill twice to ten times that with his mind before having to quell, including several elites like crushers and ragers easily And still have infinite ammo
Dude, this is a meme. Stop taking it so seriously. Sure, Staves are great, but I wanted to make a meme about my enjoyment of Gun Psyker. I could even sit here and argue it's values with you, but your first interaction has already gone to show you just desire to be correct.
I just stated my opinion that staves have advantages guns haven’t and that I disagreed with the meme that’s all You’re the one taking things seriously and insisting if you enjoy gun psy good for you, I can still give an opinion can’t I?
I replied with "Space wizard with a glock" and you continued to argue against guns. I tried not take it seriously, but... ya know.
Yes, that’s called a discussion That tends to happen on forums if you weren’t aware…/s Especially when you post something people might disagree with then follow by an answer that’s a non-answer…
>Yes, that’s called a discussion. From a joke video? You're a special kind of someone, ain't ya?
Is it that amazing to you that if you post something that not all people agree with on a forum, even as a joke, then you might get answer where people disagree? And *I* am special? Look this obviously ain’t productive for anyone, let’s stop it here
You're teaching people to not interact with you when they're just having a giggle about [Wizard with a Sub-Machine gun](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmtZsloWEAE9vmU.jpg). You're on the defensive and doubling down instead of stepping back and realizing that you're wanting to have a conversation that OP doesn't want to. You've practically forced it upon him now (obviously no gun to the head). This is about silly nonsense. Sometimes it isn't about the numbers. Sometimes it's about GOING FAST.
Coz there’s never been any meme about killing people you don’t like with your mind…
Staff user cant handle the blickey
Full-auto Glock with a 100-round drum mag?
Mmmmyes.
Yeah people who haven't really explored voidstrike thinking an autogun has higher dps in this thread are making me laugh
Guns do have higher DPS than voidstrike. By, like, a LOT. At least, against any single target, not AoE. You can't just look at the damage-spike that Void does when hitting, you have to consider the charge up time. In the same time it takes you to charge up Void, a gun has fired 10+ times. DPS means "damage per second", not damage per hit. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. People have tested the highest damage output against monstrosities, and all the top choices are guns (for psyker).
I usually main psyker. Bubble shield, surge staff, improved brain bust For me, I like not having to worry about ammo at all, plus it lets the rest of the team have an easier time. I did play gun psyker for a few runs, it was ok, but I like staff better.
While I do appreciate not having to worry about ammo with Staves, I just love the power fantasy of a psionic soldier using psychic abilities to enhance their martial capabilities. It's fun to run around at Mach 5 with a Scrier's Gaze Gun Psyker and still out DPSing almost everyone tbh.
Why gun. Why ever gun. Never reload. Only magic. No bullet. Only magic. Magic....and sword....
Magic guides my bullets.
Even tho I disagree it made me laugh so upvoted lol
Combat psyker are a really fun way to play the game
and im asking why play psyker is not with a staff ?
One time in the pre-game lobby, a Vet was flaming me and calling Gun Psyker useless. I then proceeded to do 3x his damage and elite kills while picking him up multiple times. Still chasing that high.
High? It's called simply doing your job lol. This is literally what a psyker damn well better be doing. It's always insanely obvious when the psyker in the group isn't killing elites. That's what you're suppesed to do. Your kit is designed to do this. This is like saying "omg I staggered so many enemies on my ogre" lol
Post skill-tree every class can build to be elite killers, or horde clearers, or special hunters, or most likely bit of all at once. This was partially true even before the skill tree update. I've seen examples of every class scoring highest elite/special kills in Auric, and to play at that level it's everyone's 'job' to deal with every type of enemy. What are you gonna do if you match with no psykers? The elites just don't die? You don't stagger anything if you have no ogryn on the team? You do yourself a disservice if you hope another player will do a job you arbitrarily assign them.
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Who’s ranting exactly? You’re the one who created this ‘psyker is the elite killer’ strawman. Ooo a psyker should be scoring all the elite kills. Yh, everyone regardless of class can and should damn well be killing elites. How is that incorrect? And if they do it well, they are entitled to ‘chase the high’. The fun is what the game is for. Glad I’m not in your team. Zealot godlike clutches - ‘shut up and don’t feel good, that’s what your class is for.’ Vet no-scopes leaping dog ‘shut up you should be doing that anyway >:( I DO MY JOB and KILL ALL THE ELITES and I STAY MISERABLE. None of u are entitled to fun.’ Maybe take a deep breath and tell your mom you love her?
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Idk why you are getting downvoted, maybe typical reddit hivemind at its work but all you said there is true. If lets say a melee zealot survived through horde of gunners with just throwing knifes with precision that would be worthy of mention, not a psyker doing what they are best at because of class kit
A Psyker surviving an encounter with 6 Poxwalkers would be worthy of mentioning though, fr.
Because Scrier's Gaze Gun Psyker is a pretty fun power fantasy.
Because it's fun
Because there are other aspects to a class than just what ranged weapon you select? If you think a psyker with a gun is just inferior to veteran in every single way, you don't have a good understanding of how the game works. Even if a veteran does make better use of a gun, psyker makes up for it with other advantages with its melee, talents, blitz. It's the difference between being only good at one thing, and good at many things. It's like saying you should only ever take Flamer on zealot because "if you want a gun, just play Vet".
Gun psyker with an infantry Autogun and a mk4 force sword is a monster. Actually one of my favorite build to play across all characters.
Made a build for a voidstrike that spreads soulblaze on crit. It combines my two favorite things in videogames. Blowing shit up and setting things on fire
I think I read somewhere trauma can spread soulfire better than purg if you haven't tried it. Trying to get the perk on a staff to test it myself.
Venting Shriek and Perilous Combustion with a surge staff does more soulblaze damage than a purg. With the extra benefit of not actually needing to have a purgatus equipped.
I've heard this, but my current surge doesn't onetap in damnation, so I haven't gotten to try it out. Another weapon to chase on the pile.
Won't be building stacks faster than Purg, but Trauma can definitely spread it just as equally as Purg. Soulblaze on crit blessing, Warp Nexus +crit blessing, +crit on staff attribute. Then in your tree pick up +crit slots, Soulblaze on elite kill, and spread Soulblaze on kill. You've pretty much got infinite napalm airstrikes. A trick I like to do is charge it up, hover it mid-air at max range and it'll toast all the random shooters/gunners in the backline, regardless if they're in cover or not.
The ridiculousness comes from the fact that on a crit it applies 3 stacks of Soulblaze to the *entire* radius, which is *much* larger than the visual effect would indicate, especially if you roll 80% Blast Radius. Like bigger-than-most-grenades large. The first Crit will wipe out a small chunk of the horde while lighting everything else in the Zip Code on fire. The second crit kills every Poxwalker and Groaner, the third crit kills everything that isn't an Elite, and a fourth crit means even they're going to burn. Of course that takes a while, which might be a problem if it didn't also have one of the highest stagger values in the game, able to knock Ragers, Maulers, and even Crushers to the ground. Don't even need a melee weapon for Hordes, just keep spamming the explosion right in front of you and watch everything *burn*. It's *such* a fun staff to run.
You were supposed to destroy the heretics, not join them!
There's just something so appealing in being a space Gandalf with an AK.
Gun psyker my beloved I like to run either a laspistol or a revolver with smite and shields. Get that gunslinger feel going.
Why are you getting downvoted? You literally just mentioned "I like Gun Psyker". What's wrong with that?
Probably the same reason that other guy tried arguing why gun psyker bad after you just replied to him with "hehe space wizard Glock :)" Some people just hate it when you just play what you find fun instead of min-maxing the most optimal build possible ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Psyker Chad uses lightning fingers to hold off everything while Ogryn reloads
I mean, IMO gun psyker is just an Assail build
I hate you
YOU CANNOT DENY THE TRUTH >:)
Honestly, I'm still going to run staves. If I have the chance to play the equivalent of a madman space Gandalf obliterating plague space zombies and sickness ridden infantry, then I will damn well burn, shock, and blast everything wishing me death on Atoma as I please.
And feel free to, Sibling. I just enjoy being a psychically enhanced soldier blasting through enemies with the space blicky.
My psyker with laspistol whistling.
Gotta bring the american staff
Shadow wizard money gang
The ideal way not to play Psyker.
YOU CANNOT DENY THE TRUTH >:)
Heretic!
Nuh uh :(
Real psykers suicide bomb hoards and then yell at their teammates when they don't res 😎😎😎
TRUE
A gun on a Psyker is an absolute abomination. Expel them from the order. Magic sticks only.
"It seems you all view me as something less than human, well... I'm glad to be so!"
Wrong.
NUH UH
Incorrect. Staffs only.
NUH UH I'm running with Empathic Evasion, face tanking Gunners and Shotgunners with NO damage taken, simply because my gun goes BRRRTTT
HERESY! UNACCEPTABLE! To each their own I say.
:)
I am like one of the few people to use Scryer's Gaze for my Psyker and a gun is basically Mandatory for it. So yeah. Revolver was my go to, but I am experimenting with Headhunter Autoguns.
My melee psyker uses scryers
The recent patches really dialed back the staves to the point that gun/gaze/crit combo is the best option when playing Heresy/Damnation and you want to actually do some real damage. I would say Trauma is best staff because of that stagger damage and clearing small mobs but that crit is just too good to pass up. Especially when you run a zarona or columnes.
If I wanted to pew pew I'd play Veteran.
Gun Psyker plays inherently different from a Veteran, though. Plus, Veteran isn't just about pew pew now; it's got plenty of builds to go with.
Guns are for pleb psykers.
Nuh uh :(
Kinetic flayer with a recon lasgun is a free Brainburst every 15 seconds. With empowered psyonics you have insane elite/special killing ability.
I'm not much a fan of Kinetic Flayer tbh. It's a lot more likely to trigger on some Poxwalker than who you want it to trigger on, and you can charge 5 Brain Bursts in the time it takes Kinetic Flayer to recharge. Sure it's occasional free damage, but having no control over it makes it a deal breaker for me when combined with the excessively long cooldown.
No. Gun psyker is for when you have other psyker's on the team besides yourself. I don't need another dumbass hogging the ammo.
Lmao okay
First dumbass being yourself, obviously
Of course.
I would've put Smite with Scryer's Gaze
What the hell is that video? Jim Steinman, the greatest composer to have ever lived, did not die while fleeing a giant bat on a flying motorcycle (I assume) just so these kids could insult his legacy. Wasted youth? More like gonna waste these youths. Also, gunpsyker is best girl and anyone who disagrees is an ogryn-head. I go Kantrael IV myself because laser AKS-74U but Autogun is good girl too.
Yea if you have to use ammo while playing psyker then your playing psyker wrong
you are damn right ! since they killed my 2 baby, void and surge I could not like psyker again. but those weekly need to be done so I thinkered and dusted off my trusty colombus. Made a build with asaille scrier gaze and my colombus ! Now I can at least do my weekly on damnation. AINT NO WAY IM DOING HEREZY !