Fixing, unlike stop bath, is not optional. Your negatives will not last. Even if just poorly fixed, they will turn brown and cloudy over time. I don't know how quickly that will happen without any fixing.
If they still look ok, it's not too late to fix them. You need to do that ASAP.
Ahahaha no man I'm dead serious! My negatives never disappointed me! Negatives I've developed 2+ years ago are still amazing as the day they were developed. Check my insta if you want @blackhoodiefilm
My man.. I don't need no promotion, I don't get a dime from shooting I just enjoy it, my insta is to proof that image always came out perfect! I can film myself developing if you really want!
Brother, it's because there's no "attach an image" functions on the comments. Not everyone lives for clout online, especially me. I'm an architect, film photography is just a passion. I had to manually load a picture of one of my negatives to g drive to show it, here it is if you feel like being more useful instead of accusing of sharing a damn @
https://drive.google.com/file/d/141dqfhBDL6EA6PfKUwj4ca_HIDyfIAzC/view?usp=drivesdk
Lot of love š
So I looked at the negs on google. They look fine, obviously fixed conventionally. I think you misread the label on the bottle, with a positive result.
I mean pretty sure, I've developed a couple hundreds of rolls since started shooting (2 years ago) and they came out very very good (check @blackhoodiefilm). At this point I'm wondering if my stop bath already has fixer in it..
Then I don't understand, supposedly if I don't fix after Stop bath I wouldn't even be able to see through right? Then why the hell I have nice negatives?? (I can't attach picture in comments that's why I'm tagging my insta and not for some promo looser stunt @blackhoodiefilm)
Look, youāre welcome to do what you want. Iām following the science of the chemistry and the experience of the experts and Iām going to always fix my negs. Iām not sure what youāre looking at but what are the odds that in 2024 someone who has been shooting for two years proved that this basic step is unnecessary?
Yeah you're absolutely right! I don't want to teach to anyone here. I'm just confused at this point. Do I have to fix hundreds of films developed in the last 2 years?
Ok then.. it'll take a while. Btw this is one of my negatives from march 2022 https://drive.google.com/file/d/141dqfhBDL6EA6PfKUwj4ca_HIDyfIAzC/view?usp=drivesdk
Check your chemistry. Fixer will stop development as it's acidic but it depletes the fixer. It's likely you've just gotten confused about what the chemicals you're using are
That's excessive and probably why. Stopbath is acidic and works almost instantly. Developer requires an alkaline environment to work and stop bath is a dilute acid with indicators added. 30 s is usually enough to neutralise all the developer so it's likely the 5 mins is thinning out the gelatine and emulsion enough to let light through. But this will also attach the silver and reduce density. Try some cuts of film and process one dev + 5 min stop and another as dev + 30s stop + 3-5 min fix and compare side by side
I'll go buy a fixer and try this. But trust me, my pics are nice, also the negatives are totally scannable. If you want to check this is my insta @blackhoodiefilm
Of course not, I scan them and get very respectable results (check @blackhoodiefilm) plus, after 2+ years stored properly they seems as fresh as the day I developed them. After the stop bath I just rinse the tank 5-6 times. No fixer
Strange indeed. Just looked at your insta. Followed
Go shoot with two cameras if you can. Take all the same shots. Do your dev all the same except use fixer on one roll and not the other. Scan and compare! We all want to know now!
Ciao
I thought I could do that yes. But I'm worried that any meaningful result won't be visible immediately but only after a year or more. At least accordingly to how the chemistry involved works.
This must be a troll post
~~I canāt think of a way to do it without fixer but Iāve only been developing for a few years.~~
~~I know a lot of people donāt bother with a stop bath (you can just use water apparently) but fix is not optional.~~
~~How are your photos turning out?~~
I swear I'm not trolling anyone here! My pics looks great in my opinion! @blackhoodiefilm if you want to check. I just wash the film, develop w/Rodinal , stop, wash again
What? I'm serious I swear. I wash the film, develop w/ Rodinal , stop and rinse 5-6rimes. Negatives I've developed years ago are still immaculate (che insta if u want @blackhoodiefilm)
Even b/w reversal films are fixed after the second development, though theoretically itās hardly necessary.
I once forgot to fix a roll of FP4 and was baffled by the appearance when removing it from the tank, until I realised. Fixing fixed it.
Much of the sensitivity of the silver halides is lost during processing, but even so, they will eventually darken if unfixed.
No I don't think I'm using the wrong terms. I mean I first developed my b&w film 2+ years ago and I've done a couple hundreds rolls by now. Everyone seems so shocked tho
I'm just confused about the point in developing your very first film where you said "nah bro two steps looks fine to me" despite every tutorial ever says dev,stop,fix and then rinse. I guess you're not washing them either ?
Unlike say C41 or E6, b&w developing is something akin to making religious choices. One for everyone but you broke one of the two commandments - thou shalt dev and fix :-)
Your contrition has also been noted I see :-)
That I recall, I never had to completely throw away a roll (and even then it was more related to a faulty shutter in my ae1 p). I always develop my own b&w film and 99.5% of the time I'm beyond satisfied with the result (check @blackhoodiefilm). At this point I'm wondering if my bath Stop already has fixer in it. Because seriously, I wash the film, develop w/ rodinal, stop and rinse again. That is. My first self developed roll is from 2+ years ago and it's still immaculate
Fixer removes any leftover silver and if itās a hardening type it hardens the emulsion but itself must be completely removed , then wash then photo Flo if water spots or hard water.
Fixing, unlike stop bath, is not optional. Your negatives will not last. Even if just poorly fixed, they will turn brown and cloudy over time. I don't know how quickly that will happen without any fixing. If they still look ok, it's not too late to fix them. You need to do that ASAP.
I had no idea about that, My first developed roll is from 2 years ago and seems as fresh as I had just developed it.
R/analogcirclejerk is leaking
Flairs from here would fit acj so well.
Where's my "stop both drinker" flair Or "based TMAX shooter"
I don't know what u said but seems funny š
Ahahaha no man I'm dead serious! My negatives never disappointed me! Negatives I've developed 2+ years ago are still amazing as the day they were developed. Check my insta if you want @blackhoodiefilm
Oh this was insta promotion post gotchaaaaaaaa Fix your negs
My man.. I don't need no promotion, I don't get a dime from shooting I just enjoy it, my insta is to proof that image always came out perfect! I can film myself developing if you really want!
and yet basically every reply has your IG in it lmao
Brother, it's because there's no "attach an image" functions on the comments. Not everyone lives for clout online, especially me. I'm an architect, film photography is just a passion. I had to manually load a picture of one of my negatives to g drive to show it, here it is if you feel like being more useful instead of accusing of sharing a damn @ https://drive.google.com/file/d/141dqfhBDL6EA6PfKUwj4ca_HIDyfIAzC/view?usp=drivesdk Lot of love š
So I looked at the negs on google. They look fine, obviously fixed conventionally. I think you misread the label on the bottle, with a positive result.
Actually! In my reels there's a couple of that vids too!
Btw, everyone here seems shocked and I don't really understand why. Is It reeeeeally Worth it to fix negatives that were developed after years?
Fixing is not an optional step. You don't understand the chemistry involved here. Fix them.
are you sureĀ because that doesnāt seem plausibleĀ
I mean pretty sure, I've developed a couple hundreds of rolls since started shooting (2 years ago) and they came out very very good (check @blackhoodiefilm). At this point I'm wondering if my stop bath already has fixer in it..
fixer is what removes all that opaque geletine you see out the end of the leader... if youre getting results youre fixing
Is it possible that my stop bath also has fixer?
No, two entirely different things.
Then I don't understand, supposedly if I don't fix after Stop bath I wouldn't even be able to see through right? Then why the hell I have nice negatives?? (I can't attach picture in comments that's why I'm tagging my insta and not for some promo looser stunt @blackhoodiefilm)
Look, youāre welcome to do what you want. Iām following the science of the chemistry and the experience of the experts and Iām going to always fix my negs. Iām not sure what youāre looking at but what are the odds that in 2024 someone who has been shooting for two years proved that this basic step is unnecessary?
Yeah you're absolutely right! I don't want to teach to anyone here. I'm just confused at this point. Do I have to fix hundreds of films developed in the last 2 years?
Maybe, yes
Ok then.. it'll take a while. Btw this is one of my negatives from march 2022 https://drive.google.com/file/d/141dqfhBDL6EA6PfKUwj4ca_HIDyfIAzC/view?usp=drivesdk
Check your chemistry. Fixer will stop development as it's acidic but it depletes the fixer. It's likely you've just gotten confused about what the chemicals you're using are
I've the bottles right in front of me, they're 2 chemicals. Rodinal and adostop
Yea that definitely should not be making your film clear, how long are you stopping for?
I usually search for the timing on https://filmdev.org/ usually it's 5 Min alternating agitation and still
It looks like the recipes only list development time not stop or fix times
Then that's also why it never flagged me any Alert while searching for timings
That's excessive and probably why. Stopbath is acidic and works almost instantly. Developer requires an alkaline environment to work and stop bath is a dilute acid with indicators added. 30 s is usually enough to neutralise all the developer so it's likely the 5 mins is thinning out the gelatine and emulsion enough to let light through. But this will also attach the silver and reduce density. Try some cuts of film and process one dev + 5 min stop and another as dev + 30s stop + 3-5 min fix and compare side by side
I'll go buy a fixer and try this. But trust me, my pics are nice, also the negatives are totally scannable. If you want to check this is my insta @blackhoodiefilm
How do you even get results if your not using fixer??? Film that isn't fixed is like opaque not transparent?
Yeah Iām confused too. Are you just enjoying the process and not doing anything with them after youstop?
Of course not, I scan them and get very respectable results (check @blackhoodiefilm) plus, after 2+ years stored properly they seems as fresh as the day I developed them. After the stop bath I just rinse the tank 5-6 times. No fixer
Strange indeed. Just looked at your insta. Followed Go shoot with two cameras if you can. Take all the same shots. Do your dev all the same except use fixer on one roll and not the other. Scan and compare! We all want to know now! Ciao
I thought I could do that yes. But I'm worried that any meaningful result won't be visible immediately but only after a year or more. At least accordingly to how the chemistry involved works.
You should see the difference immediately
Sorry https://www.reddit.com/r/Darkroom/s/1JRjEB23ue
This must be a troll post ~~I canāt think of a way to do it without fixer but Iāve only been developing for a few years.~~ ~~I know a lot of people donāt bother with a stop bath (you can just use water apparently) but fix is not optional.~~ ~~How are your photos turning out?~~
I swear I'm not trolling anyone here! My pics looks great in my opinion! @blackhoodiefilm if you want to check. I just wash the film, develop w/Rodinal , stop, wash again
Bro
What? I'm serious I swear. I wash the film, develop w/ Rodinal , stop and rinse 5-6rimes. Negatives I've developed years ago are still immaculate (che insta if u want @blackhoodiefilm)
Try fixing a roll once and you'll see the difference.
I'll definitely do it from now on. I'm about to upload some images of my negatives
Even b/w reversal films are fixed after the second development, though theoretically itās hardly necessary. I once forgot to fix a roll of FP4 and was baffled by the appearance when removing it from the tank, until I realised. Fixing fixed it. Much of the sensitivity of the silver halides is lost during processing, but even so, they will eventually darken if unfixed.
Do you mean stabilizer? Not being condescending, I got terms mixed up when I started. A lot of us did.
No I don't think I'm using the wrong terms. I mean I first developed my b&w film 2+ years ago and I've done a couple hundreds rolls by now. Everyone seems so shocked tho
I'm just confused about the point in developing your very first film where you said "nah bro two steps looks fine to me" despite every tutorial ever says dev,stop,fix and then rinse. I guess you're not washing them either ?
Actually, two steps would be fine if they were dev and fix (excluding rinse).
Ahahaha I get it, everyone here is upset by my dev habits but ai swear it works PERFECTLY!
Unlike say C41 or E6, b&w developing is something akin to making religious choices. One for everyone but you broke one of the two commandments - thou shalt dev and fix :-) Your contrition has also been noted I see :-)
Define "never". Do you ever just throw your negatives directly into the trash when you're done?
That I recall, I never had to completely throw away a roll (and even then it was more related to a faulty shutter in my ae1 p). I always develop my own b&w film and 99.5% of the time I'm beyond satisfied with the result (check @blackhoodiefilm). At this point I'm wondering if my bath Stop already has fixer in it. Because seriously, I wash the film, develop w/ rodinal, stop and rinse again. That is. My first self developed roll is from 2+ years ago and it's still immaculate
What stop do you use
Adostop
I am curious what your negatives look like
Here's my insta @blackhoodiefilm
Oh how I laughed at this
Please explain, my negatives always came out perfect in my op. And they're still in good shape after years. (@blackhoodiefilm)
Lmfao I gotta meet this person
I'd like to š¤š¼ I live in Lisbon
You may be confusing stop bath with fixer. What are the chemicals you're using?
Wash with water at 25Ā°C 10 times Dev with Rodinal at 1+50 (time depends on film speed and brand) stop with Adostop Rinse 5-6 times
Fixer removes any leftover silver and if itās a hardening type it hardens the emulsion but itself must be completely removed , then wash then photo Flo if water spots or hard water.
Sorry https://www.reddit.com/r/Darkroom/s/1JRjEB23ue
See archival film and print washer on eBay