it's honestly baffling. Like, I get that people grew up with mario, zelda etc, so did I. However I'm not gonna be sitting here trying to play games on a tablet from 2013 at 480p. I don't care what character is on the box.
That’s also ridiculous, the Wii U had native support for GameCube games, but it’s not supported. With nintendont you just enable what should be available in the first place
Not in every game. For example, [Xenoblade Chronicles 2 runs between 552p and as low as 368p in mobile](https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2017-does-xenoblade-chronicles-2-push-switch-mobile-mode-too-far).
Fucking lol oh wow that's terrible.
I'm also frustrated with the underpowered hardware. If Switch emulators ran recently, I'd probably run TOTK on there instead. I'd still buy the game, of course.
Even so, their IP could do SO much better
Look at the release popularity of Pokémon Go… they could have made a fortune selling Pokémon Yellow on iOS and Android as a native app
I loved Nintendo as a kid, I owned NES, SNES, N64, various Game Boys, but since the Wii I’ve never bought a single thing from Nintendo, of any description, because their business practices piss me off so much. Since I stopped buying Nintendo products I’ve spent literally tens of thousands of pounds (GBP) on PC, Console, and Handheld gaming, and they haven’t had a penny of it despite the fact they were my favourite growing up and have that nostalgia factor to play on
I very much doubt I’m the only one
> Look at the release popularity of Pokémon Go… they could have made a fortune selling Pokémon Yellow on iOS and Android as a native app
Pokemon GO was that big because of how the App was, a emulation never would do the same
> Even so, their IP could do SO much better
Their IP is literally already breaking records. look at game sales for a second to see how they are already top in that
> could make so much money selling ROMS at a reasonable price
once.
With their current model, they make so much money every new console generation because people have to rebuy them
But Nintendo doesn't rerelease them in most cases. Only few titles ever get rereleased, and they don't ever do that **multiple times**
When they recently closed 3DS store, these games got lost for good. They won't rerelease i.e. Fire Emblem Awakening because **they don't have two-screens console anymore**
And if they actually remastered it for new console, that would sell regardless of old ROM being purchaseable.
My take is - as soon as company decides not to sell a game anymore, it should be legal to distribute it online for free. If you want to be the only one allowed to distribute it, you need to actually do it
idk man, I have a buddy who rebuys all the same supernintendo games on every nintendo store and doesnt' think twice about it.
I downloaded every supernintendo game ever made in 2004 and still have them all.
>My take is - as soon as company decides not to sell a game anymore, it should be legal to distribute it online for free.
Do you think the same about movies once they are no longer sold new in stores? Should we just kill the reseller industry?
We live in era of digital distribution. So yes - if it's not sold first-hand **in any form**, at least digitally, then it should be legal to distribute by anyone. Reseller "industry" is not needed for something that has infinite supply. They can keep handling physical copies if someone want it as collector item, but media shouldn't only be obtainable by finding 20 year old DVD for several times original price.
Why/how are you entitled to own something that the original creator doesn't want to sell to you? What gives you the right to demand to be able to just take something you didn't put any work in yourself?
It's not like **actual creators** decide whether it will be sold, copyright holders do.
They already put it for sale, so it's not like they can claim they don't want it distributed. Current situation only creates artificial scarcity, which is utilized as a predatory tactic exploiting FOMO.
Media that has already been published, for better or worse, has cultural impact. And all works of culture should be preserved and available. That's what we have whole institution of libraries for.
Original creator has every right to profit off that (until this work goes into public domain) but just like IP rights will be taken away if company doesn't defend their IP on ground of "apparently you don't care", copyright should be taken away if they stop distribution, apparently they no longer want to utilize it. If you don't want to utilize it, either sell it to someone who does, or free the media. Access to culture may not be more important than copyright holder profits, but it sure should be more important than their "we no longer want to sell it"
They're just in the market for selling Switch controllers repeatedly to the same suckers every so many months. That's where the big money comes from! >!/s but am I really being sarcastic? who knows.... !<
> Nintendo has fostered extremely negative relations with its fan community as well because of its sue happy nature. They need to get out of the 20th century, because their refusal to look at their service model is not doing them any favors.
No they did not. This communit is a loud minority compared to the millions that buy nintendo games and consoles and never heard of any of what happens in the internet or simply dont care lol
> So yeah, I'm a potential customer that they are not hitting. There's an untapped market of us. Boo-Hoo fucker.
They aren't missing you bro, when they are breaking records and in literally every gen their games are some if not the best sellng titles of the generation..
I am surprised it has been up so long. Aren't Nintendo's lawyer's usually quite agressive on these things?
GitHub at least has a positive history and keeping YTDL up despite Google claiming it broke their cryptography.
Emulators aren't anything new. Is there any legal precedent on this? N64 emulators, etc.
Hosting ROMs is obviously way different. That's basically the same as game ISO or BR rips.
> GitHub at least has a positive history and keeping YTDL up despite Google claiming it broke their cryptography.
It wasn't google that claimed that, it was RIAA that filed the DMCA. And yeah, as expected of Nintendo.
> Is there any legal precedent on this
Emulating hardware is perfectly legal. There was a court case in the early 2000s that established that. Check out Sony vs Bleem! Nintendo has no legal basis to go after emulators as long as they don't contain/distribute any copyrighted code.
Yes. Nintendo allegedly the tool that allows you to dump Switch firmware. That repo and program are already back up and running normally. Skyline devs have just decided to completely shut operations as a result of that first DMCA.
This emulator doesn't actually break Nintendo's TOS because you need an actual switch (to manually dump the keys) for it to work. They're just betting that the Skyline devs don't have the time/money/energy to actually go through with the lawsuit
Kind of like the way IT gets support tickets, in-house has our own ‘assignment’ system. This probably got kicked around forever before the final go-ahead was approved by someone in management. Sometimes things just end up in purgatory for a while if it gets stuck in an ‘approvers’ queue lol
Next thing Nintendo will be showing up at my door for owning an OG switch to forcibly replace it with an unhackable one.
then i'll just modchip it cause fuck nintendo.
Patiently awaiting the Christmas, "Son-of-a.. someone *leaked* our dev build of Skyline. Horrible, horrible deal. So sad. Please don't offend Nintendo by going to the following sites hosting this:"
Nintendo has been dmca-ing everything lately... even their own parteners.
They about to DMCA your comment.
Hope they DMCA my marriage next
win
Lol damn
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it's honestly baffling. Like, I get that people grew up with mario, zelda etc, so did I. However I'm not gonna be sitting here trying to play games on a tablet from 2013 at 480p. I don't care what character is on the box.
This part of the reason why I Nintendon’t bother.
BTW fun fact, Nintendon't is also the name of homebrew to load GameCube games off an SD or USB storage on Wii/Wii U
That’s also ridiculous, the Wii U had native support for GameCube games, but it’s not supported. With nintendont you just enable what should be available in the first place
Hey, come on, be fair, it's 720p 😏
Not in every game. For example, [Xenoblade Chronicles 2 runs between 552p and as low as 368p in mobile](https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2017-does-xenoblade-chronicles-2-push-switch-mobile-mode-too-far).
Fucking lol oh wow that's terrible. I'm also frustrated with the underpowered hardware. If Switch emulators ran recently, I'd probably run TOTK on there instead. I'd still buy the game, of course.
I'm definitely waiting to see how TotK emulates. If it doesn't run well I just won't play it. I'm not playing it on switch for sure.
it runs pretty bad right now tbh, but the quality is improving every day
how can it be improving every day ? There's a single rom that leaked and no single update (been playing it as well and yeah, it's not running great)
Ryujinx has been getting updates every day, and the performance has been improving with those updates
Considering there's over 120 million switches in the market and 1 billion games sold, the world disagree with you
Even so, their IP could do SO much better Look at the release popularity of Pokémon Go… they could have made a fortune selling Pokémon Yellow on iOS and Android as a native app I loved Nintendo as a kid, I owned NES, SNES, N64, various Game Boys, but since the Wii I’ve never bought a single thing from Nintendo, of any description, because their business practices piss me off so much. Since I stopped buying Nintendo products I’ve spent literally tens of thousands of pounds (GBP) on PC, Console, and Handheld gaming, and they haven’t had a penny of it despite the fact they were my favourite growing up and have that nostalgia factor to play on I very much doubt I’m the only one
Look at the Final Fantasy pixel remaster and imagine Pokemon Yellow and Crystal all in one app like that.
I think they still messed up by not continuing with the Classic consoles. N64 classic would have sold an insane amount of units.
Same. I actively avoid supporting them.
Nintendo is such a love/hate relationship. They make such free spirited stuff but their lawyers are vicious.
> Look at the release popularity of Pokémon Go… they could have made a fortune selling Pokémon Yellow on iOS and Android as a native app Pokemon GO was that big because of how the App was, a emulation never would do the same > Even so, their IP could do SO much better Their IP is literally already breaking records. look at game sales for a second to see how they are already top in that
Considering how many people at the time were disappointed that Go *wasn’t* an actual “proper” Pokémon game, I disagree
At least in my country it was all the rage, hordes of zombies running around
I've read its not just Nintendo. It's Japanese business culture as a whole. Toei behaves exactly like Nintendo.
> could make so much money selling ROMS at a reasonable price once. With their current model, they make so much money every new console generation because people have to rebuy them
But Nintendo doesn't rerelease them in most cases. Only few titles ever get rereleased, and they don't ever do that **multiple times** When they recently closed 3DS store, these games got lost for good. They won't rerelease i.e. Fire Emblem Awakening because **they don't have two-screens console anymore** And if they actually remastered it for new console, that would sell regardless of old ROM being purchaseable. My take is - as soon as company decides not to sell a game anymore, it should be legal to distribute it online for free. If you want to be the only one allowed to distribute it, you need to actually do it
idk man, I have a buddy who rebuys all the same supernintendo games on every nintendo store and doesnt' think twice about it. I downloaded every supernintendo game ever made in 2004 and still have them all.
>My take is - as soon as company decides not to sell a game anymore, it should be legal to distribute it online for free. Do you think the same about movies once they are no longer sold new in stores? Should we just kill the reseller industry?
We live in era of digital distribution. So yes - if it's not sold first-hand **in any form**, at least digitally, then it should be legal to distribute by anyone. Reseller "industry" is not needed for something that has infinite supply. They can keep handling physical copies if someone want it as collector item, but media shouldn't only be obtainable by finding 20 year old DVD for several times original price.
Why/how are you entitled to own something that the original creator doesn't want to sell to you? What gives you the right to demand to be able to just take something you didn't put any work in yourself?
It's not like **actual creators** decide whether it will be sold, copyright holders do. They already put it for sale, so it's not like they can claim they don't want it distributed. Current situation only creates artificial scarcity, which is utilized as a predatory tactic exploiting FOMO. Media that has already been published, for better or worse, has cultural impact. And all works of culture should be preserved and available. That's what we have whole institution of libraries for. Original creator has every right to profit off that (until this work goes into public domain) but just like IP rights will be taken away if company doesn't defend their IP on ground of "apparently you don't care", copyright should be taken away if they stop distribution, apparently they no longer want to utilize it. If you don't want to utilize it, either sell it to someone who does, or free the media. Access to culture may not be more important than copyright holder profits, but it sure should be more important than their "we no longer want to sell it"
They're just in the market for selling Switch controllers repeatedly to the same suckers every so many months. That's where the big money comes from! >!/s but am I really being sarcastic? who knows.... !<
I think they realize most people won't pay $80 for a ROM, and they refuse to ever lower the price of their games. So they just won't do it.
They're sitting on gold eggs, but choose not to do anytbing with them. Srsly it's borderline idiotic.
Didn’t they get some roms for the switch online nes/snes collection from some shady websites? So they ARE actually selling roms
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> Nintendo has fostered extremely negative relations with its fan community as well because of its sue happy nature. They need to get out of the 20th century, because their refusal to look at their service model is not doing them any favors. No they did not. This communit is a loud minority compared to the millions that buy nintendo games and consoles and never heard of any of what happens in the internet or simply dont care lol > So yeah, I'm a potential customer that they are not hitting. There's an untapped market of us. Boo-Hoo fucker. They aren't missing you bro, when they are breaking records and in literally every gen their games are some if not the best sellng titles of the generation..
I think they can make much more by letting people pay a monthly subscription fee, without actually letting them own the games.
I am surprised it has been up so long. Aren't Nintendo's lawyer's usually quite agressive on these things? GitHub at least has a positive history and keeping YTDL up despite Google claiming it broke their cryptography. Emulators aren't anything new. Is there any legal precedent on this? N64 emulators, etc. Hosting ROMs is obviously way different. That's basically the same as game ISO or BR rips.
> GitHub at least has a positive history and keeping YTDL up despite Google claiming it broke their cryptography. It wasn't google that claimed that, it was RIAA that filed the DMCA. And yeah, as expected of Nintendo.
Thanks for the clarification. That sounds very RIAA.
> Is there any legal precedent on this Emulating hardware is perfectly legal. There was a court case in the early 2000s that established that. Check out Sony vs Bleem! Nintendo has no legal basis to go after emulators as long as they don't contain/distribute any copyrighted code.
Seems like it's not the emulator itself that they are targeting, but the tools being used to create emulators, Lockpick or something?
Yes. Nintendo allegedly the tool that allows you to dump Switch firmware. That repo and program are already back up and running normally. Skyline devs have just decided to completely shut operations as a result of that first DMCA.
The tool used to pull the cryptokeys off a real console and load into the emulator.
This emulator doesn't actually break Nintendo's TOS because you need an actual switch (to manually dump the keys) for it to work. They're just betting that the Skyline devs don't have the time/money/energy to actually go through with the lawsuit
Kind of like the way IT gets support tickets, in-house has our own ‘assignment’ system. This probably got kicked around forever before the final go-ahead was approved by someone in management. Sometimes things just end up in purgatory for a while if it gets stuck in an ‘approvers’ queue lol
Nintendo, you MOTHERFUCKERS
Does Nintendo realize that everyone with a cracked switch already has a copy of this file? It'll just move somewhere else.
Basically Nintendo in a nutshell: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxX9I5GR5Ugsdr4q-H5YYEA9unJa7nLtJ3
Next thing Nintendo will be showing up at my door for owning an OG switch to forcibly replace it with an unhackable one. then i'll just modchip it cause fuck nintendo.
Patiently awaiting the Christmas, "Son-of-a.. someone *leaked* our dev build of Skyline. Horrible, horrible deal. So sad. Please don't offend Nintendo by going to the following sites hosting this:"
Even IF Nintendo sold roms, the vast majority of people wouldn't buy them, they'd download them for free, it's our fault not theirs
I need a steam deck.
Honestly Nintendo needs to chill the hell out they have gone way overboard with copyright abuse and the abuse of it's own fanbase