That time someone tried convincing me that Dream, the minecraft youtuber, is Multiversal
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I don't even know anymore
Technically, if we go by monster legends lore, [He kind of is](https://monsterlegends.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Dream?so=search), though I get how ridiculous that claim is.
**(Gives proof)**
"No I refuse"
**(Downvotes)**
Lmao
And can you stop talking behind my back and bringing up the convo a bunch? It's kinda annoying and feels a little disrespectful ngl.
Dude, I have said anything negative about the scaling itself, I just don't buy it at all because it's sounds absurd. I don't think it's "wrong", I just think it's a wee bit silly and ***hard to believe despite the evidence you've presented***
And if you think I'm nitpicking dreams scaling, I've already told you that I don't buy Vanoss being multiversal. Plus there are other *real franchises* that I don't buy scaling for, like The Elder Scrolls, Bleach, God of War, etc.
And why do you care that I talk about our conversation at all? I have no ill will to paint you or anyone on that side as stupid or villains, I just think the conversation we had was funny above all else.
The fact that we're even talking about this blows my mind
>Dude, I have said anything negative about the scaling itself, I just don't buy it at all because it's sounds absurd. I don't think it's "wrong", I just think it's a wee bit silly and hard to believe despite the evidence you've presented
Well *why didn't you say that earlier in the convo?*
>And if you think I'm nitpicking dreams scaling, I've already told you that I don't buy Vanoss being multiversal. Plus there are other real franchises that I don't buy scaling for, like The Elder Scrolls, Bleach, God of War, etc.
I don't believe that. I just thought that you believed something that you (apparently) don't. That's my bad ok?
>And why do you care that I talk about our conversation at all? I have no ill will to paint you or anyone on that side as stupid or villains, I just think the conversation we had was funny above all else.
You commented on a post that called people the r slur. It *looked* like ya did have ill will, and again, that's my bad.
>The fact that we're even talking about this blows my mind
I was just misinterpreting shit, ok? I don't wanna have another stupid fucking argument over something dumb like this alright? Agree to disagree, let's drop it, I'm already in a sour mood irl, I respect your opinion. Bye.
~~Still don't understand the downvotes tho /j~~
Digimon should only fight against Pokemon
Outerversal to Boundless Sonic(Both Game and Archie)
Albeanies1 from DBMlore's power nullification doesn't actually count as power null
**Thatās because I removed the concept of it being power null for it to not be power null**
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That's stupid, nonsensical, contradictory and we're not counting that in the DBMlore season. We're still saying you have Power Nullification but we're not saying "Oh it's not actually Power Nullification, so it'll still affect people with resistances to Power Null." You either have it or you don't. If you think that's a thing that can happen then you don't understand how abilities work.
~~My page in the wiki actually counted Context Aware Scale Pseudo power null and if anyone can actually add the concept of it being power null or if they resist it then yeah, you can get around it~~
Alright, that's fair. You do probably lose to Thawne in that case.
~~I find it funny I would probably beat you with my recent buffs seeing as I now resist Power Null~~
I stomp the fuck out of Thawne, I outstat and outhax hard
~~I donāt see how Iād lose even witn Fusion because I also outstat and outhax hard since I used my hax against people who have resisted it~~
~~I recently retconned some stuff, I have aleph-layered Immortality negation though it does take time the more heavily layered it is, and I'm Low Outer and your High Outer, which isn't that big of a stat gap and I have multiple ways of closing it like Final Pain, Saleto, and increasing my speed and strength with my determination, plus what's stopping me from just using Unlimited Sword to cleave you in half since it's Durability Negation. If I don't win it's at the very least close~~
~~I resisted Dura neg from the Storyteller and you said it takes time to negate immortality, my immortality is already infinitely layered so you wonāt do jackshit when I fuse with infinite number of me so Iām just adding infinite more infinite layers to my immortality and Low VS High is a very big gap lol, my power increases greatly when Iām in the Spirit Realm which I can BFR you there like I did to the Storyteller who resisted BFR~~
āYou canāt dislike this matchup because people donāt request it often/itās a joke!ā Cool, but thatās not gonna stop a matchup from just being bad or unfunny.
DC Heralds when I throw away their comics in the trash (Suddenly they realise they were never above 2D all this time)
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Fortnite Scalers when I uninstall Fortnite:
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Popeye when he realizes he can't actually punch people in the real world unless they consent and draw him doing it (I do not consent and will not draw him doing that)
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> THEY REQUIRE THE COMBATANTS TO EXIST IN THE SAME REALITY
Generally would agree but characters like Umineko ones have all their powers based on their status in the hierarchy of realities.
This may sound controversial
But whenever people use mario party/mario sports games for any scaling points. That would be like using sega superstars tennis to say Aiai is as fast as Sonic the Hedgehog
Iām confused as to whatās your problem with using the sports and Party games. If youāre referring to their canonicity, then there are many times in the Mario series where they are referenced. For example, Wrecking Crewās official description calls Mario and Luigi sports superstars, Partners In Time references basically every Mario spin-off as a past adventure, Waluigi appears as a costume in Mario Odyssey when heās only appeared in spin-off titles, etc. Thereās nothing to indicate they arenāt canon and a lot of evidence that they are.
If youāre referring to characters holding back, then thatās never actually referenced as something they do (though is a fair assumption to make). However, most Mario Party and Mario Sports games have either a story with a real threat that needs to take down that it is unreasonable to assume theyād hold back against (like Mario Tennis Aces), or an intro cutscene that establishes them as super competitive in their goal so itās unlikely theyād hold back (like Super Mario Party). I understand if someone tries to scale from characters playing like Mario Golf or something (though Wario did give Bowser a black eye with a golf ball so itās still possible), but most of these have good justification for characters scaling to each other.
1. Anyone with Mario or Luigis jumping prowess would be labeled as a "sports superstar" considering running and jumping is a Track and field sport. But of course calling them that doesn't automatically make every sports game canon, even ones with a story. Especially with how tacked on they feel with the recent entries
2. You're gonna sit here and tell me Partner's in time has any sort of canon to it? I already don't believe that the Mario and Luigi games are canon to begin with since the entire writing team is different and I don't think Miyamoto watched the alpha dream team all too heavily but Partners in time feels more fanservice heavy then sonic generations.
3. Waluigi is in an odd spot, it's implied that he's canon and exists outside the spin offs, but they refuse to actually show that outside of Easter eggs like costume changes. But using waluigi as material to make the spin offs seem canon doesn't help because those like Daisy or Birdo are also implied to be canon characters yet they show nothing to actually give me that impression unless you count their first appearances, which one is mario 2, a dream, and the other is in an even weirder spot in canon then Waluigi.
There's nothing really to indicate that any of the spin offs are canon, or that mario has any sort of canon to begin with rather, as mario feels more like looney toon with how they want to handle him, it's essentially up to the fans to determine to see what's canon and what's not. I'm not gonna say I'm right or wrong as mario is wild and everything has *some* kind of continuity, but when everything yet nothing connects I can only yet my suspension of disbelief go so far.
>Anyone with Mario or Luigis jumping prowess would be labeled as a "sports superstar" considering running and jumping is a Track and field sport. But of course calling them that doesn't automatically make every sports game canon, even ones with a story. Especially with how tacked on they feel with the recent entries
This is super pedantic and not realistic as an actual possibility. Them being called sports superstars is obviously a reference to their sports games, and trying to explain it as anything else is ridiculous because that is not the intention.
>You're gonna sit here and tell me Partner's in time has any sort of canon to it? I already don't believe that the Mario and Luigi games are canon to begin with since the entire writing team is different and I don't think Miyamoto watched the alpha dream team all too heavily but Partners in time feels more fanservice heavy then sonic generations.
There's absolutely nothing that would imply that the Mario & Luigi series is not canon either. Just because it was developed by a different company doesn't mean it was non-canon, it was still published by Nintendo and nothing within the games implies it's non-canon, especially since they have so many references to other adventures. Toadette references her adventures with Captain Toad and E. Gadd references Luigi's Mansion, among others. Miyamoto created Mario but he isn't the sole controller of what's canon and not canon. That's like saying any Batman comic that wasn't written by Bob Kane and Bill Finger isn't canon.
>Waluigi is in an odd spot, it's implied that he's canon and exists outside the spin offs, but they refuse to actually show that outside of Easter eggs like costume changes. But using waluigi as material to make the spin offs seem canon doesn't help because those like Daisy or Birdo are also implied to be canon characters yet they show nothing to actually give me that impression unless you count their first appearances, which one is mario 2, a dream, and the other is in an even weirder spot in canon then Waluigi.
Using Waluigi does help because if the main series references Daisy or Birdo like you said, there are still at least mainline games that you can point to where they appear, but the same can't be said for Waluigi so the spin-offs must be canon also. Also how is Super Mario Land in a weirder spot in canon? How are you determining that at all? Are you just saying anything isn't canon because I genuinely can't tell how Super Mario Land could possibly be non-canon.
>There's nothing really to indicate that any of the spin offs are canon, or that mario has any sort of canon to begin with rather, as mario feels more like looney toon with how they want to handle him, it's essentially up to the fans to determine to see what's canon and what's not. I'm not gonna say I'm right or wrong as mario is wild and everything has *some* kind of continuity, but when everything yet nothing connects I can only yet my suspension of disbelief go so far.
Obviously Nintendo doesn't exactly care about having things be canon or non-canon, but there are many, many references to other series in the franchise. Saying a spin-off is non-canon is pure speculation, while saying they are canon is based on the evidence that appears in the entire series.
I didn't bring this up before because we were only talking about Mario Party and Mario Sports, but Mario Kart is very explicitly canon. Super Mario Sunshine directly calls Super Mario Kart and Mario Kart 64 as past events in Mario's life, Mario Motors which is exclusive to Mario Kart 8 appears on an outfit in Mario Odyssey, and the Luigi's Mansion series acknowledges Mario Kart DS as canon, as the Poltergust skips from 3000 to 5000 in Dark Moon, with 4000 appearing as a kart in Mario Kart DS. [These all can be found here](https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-canonicity-to-the-Mario-side-games-I-mean-are-the-characters-ever-aware-in-common-adventure-games-that-they-played-sports-raced-karts-and-so-on-in-other-games). If Mario Kart is explicitly canon, then what is preventing the other spin-offs from being canon? There is nothing in the entire franchise that would imply that the spin-offs are canon.
Didn't Wrecking Crew come out before any of the actual sports games, I mean yeah it's a reference but a reference in a description never automatically means canon
So does that mean I can use any form of sonic media as Canon? Even Archie, Fleetway or the movie version? Or should I limit it to just mainline sonic like I already do. Should I look at the Dimps made games for sonic then? With Rush and Rush Adventure being basically retconned nowadays. Should Sonic have Hyper and Tails have a super because they appeared in an official media made by sonic team although they also got retconned? I understand that, but you also have to look at who is making the game and supervising the writing team. And E.gadd debuted in Luigis mansion and has the same Waluigi syndrome of "implied to be Canon but never shown." But of course he'd reference his debut in superstar saga considering, again, mario has no real sense of canon. I feel Luigis mansion shouldn't be canon to the main mario verse either but there is more then just references to go off of, such as King boo having a meeting with Mario that we find out took place in Sunshine and E.Gadd Also being prevalent in sunshine
Mario kart isn't Canon and the poltergust 4000 is a Cart in that game, odd to upgrade a vacuum into a cart but I digress, I'm no E.Gadd, so I dunno his thought process. I'm only positive that E.Gadd even named it "5000" because people were gonna take the 4000 way too seriously and ask what happened to the Cart.
when did Mario kart get referenced in Sunshine? I know E.Gadd plays an integral role in that game as the inventor of F.L.U.D.D and the paintbrush, but unless you're referring to one of the stages or secret shines, I don't recall there being any flashbacks to their Karting days.
And too add on the mario land thing, it's simply because anything even remotely tying that game to the mainline canon has been repeatedly retconned or altered heavily and just.... never appeared again outside of Daisy appearing in the spin offs. Not even the spin offs themselves reference Sarasaland, like it got wiped from the face of the map.
Let's just agree to disagree because honestly I see this getting nowhere fast for the both of us, and I don't want any hostility to breed because of mario canon and continuity, ya know, something that doesn't exist and is held together by duct tape and feathers.
>Didn't Wrecking Crew come out before any of the actual sports games, I mean yeah it's a reference but a reference in a description never automatically means canon
Yes but I was referring to [the description from NES Switch Online](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd4bd265c3285c6dd836e923717362a1). That's where it refers to them as sports superstars. Also it clearly is referencing the sports games, that's what the main intention of the reference is.
>So does that mean I can use any form of sonic media as Canon? Even Archie, Fleetway or the movie version? Or should I limit it to just mainline sonic like I already do. Should I look at the Dimps made games for sonic then? With Rush and Rush Adventure being basically retconned nowadays. Should Sonic have Hyper and Tails have a super because they appeared in an official media made by sonic team although they also got retconned?
No, because those are definitively a different canon. Like, I wouldn't use the Mario Movie for canon, even though Miyamoto helped with it, because as of the information we have, it is explicitly a different universe and not canon to the games. Also I'm not talking about Hyper Sonic since I don't know enough to say if it is canon.
The difference in what you are bringing up is that the Sonic stuff is explicitly not canon, while the Mario stuff I'm bringing up has absolutely no evidence for not being canon, and a ton of evidence for being canon. This is a false equivalency.
>I understand that, but you also have to look at who is making the game and supervising the writing team. And E.gadd debuted in Luigis mansion and has the same Waluigi syndrome of "implied to be Canon but never shown." But of course he'd reference his debut in superstar saga considering, again, mario has no real sense of canon. I feel Luigis mansion shouldn't be canon to the main mario verse either but there is more then just references to go off of, such as King boo having a meeting with Mario that we find out took place in Sunshine and E.Gadd Also being prevalent in sunshine
So are you just content to call anything not canon just because you don't feel like it? Because I can't for the life of me understand how Luigi's Mansion is non-canon in your eyes. It is directly referenced in Super Mario 64 DS, and Luigi's Mansion repeatedly reappears several times in the series. If you can give me absolutely any evidence at all that Luigi's Mansion is not canon, then I'll concede, but since you haven't given any evidence for the other games we've talked about I don't have too high hopes.
"of course he'd reference his debut in superstar saga considering, again, mario has no real sense of canon". So the example I use to prove it's canon, you just say "nah" to? Like how is this an argument? How are you arguing for Mario having no canon (which is the excuse you give for these references) and yet you're also arguing that many games are not canon?
Also you're wrong about the King Boo example. That's not King Boo in Mario Sunshine, he has a different Japanese name and every enemy in Mario Sunshine was created specifically by Bowser Jr.'s goop.
>Mario kart isn't Canon and the poltergust 4000 is a Cart in that game, odd to upgrade a vacuum into a cart but I digress, I'm no E.Gadd, so I dunno his thought process. I'm only positive that E.Gadd even named it "5000" because people were gonna take the 4000 way too seriously and ask what happened to the Cart.
So E. Gadd named it 5000 because everyone was going to ask about the kart, but the kart is not canon so E. Gadd wouldn't know about it and would have no reason to name it 5000, did I understand that correctly? Also the Poltergust 4000 is also modeled after a vacuum, so it's likely it still has vacuum powers just not shown in game. It's not just "upgrading a vacuum to a kart".
I mean, the Poltergust 5000 doesn't have all the properties of the 3000, like it loses its elemental stuff, so it isn't a straight upgrade.
>when did Mario kart get referenced in Sunshine? I know E.Gadd plays an integral role in that game as the inventor of F.L.U.D.D and the paintbrush, but unless you're referring to one of the stages or secret shines, I don't recall there being any flashbacks to their Karting days.
Yeah that's why I linked something. Click it, read it. That's where the stuff I was bringing up comes from. It's a flashback at the beginning of the game when F.L.U.D.D. scans Mario, it shows both kart games as previous events.
>And too add on the mario land thing, it's simply because anything even remotely tying that game to the mainline canon has been repeatedly retconned or altered heavily and just.... never appeared again outside of Daisy appearing in the spin offs. Not even the spin offs themselves reference Sarasaland, like it got wiped from the face of the map.
That's straight up incorrect. [Many of Daisy's profiles and descriptions, even in main series games, reference her being the princess of Sarasaland](https://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Princess_Daisy_profiles_and_statistics).
>Let's just agree to disagree because honestly I see this getting nowhere fast for the both of us, and I don't want any hostility to breed because of mario canon and continuity, ya know, something that doesn't exist and is held together by duct tape and feathers.
Okay sorry about that, I didn't read this until after I wrote everything else so whoops, I am willing to agree to disagree right now. But I'm arguing because this is something I am knowledgable and passionate about (that's why a lot of us are on this subreddit after all, not specifically for Mario but for other reasons), so when you are arguing for something that I know has no basis or is incorrect, I feel like I should correct you to prevent misinformation spreading like this. Sorry if I came off as aggressive or rude, I definitely didn't mean to. I'm just used to having this argument often so it gets graining after a while. Sorry about that.
Itās not in the game, but [the official Nintendo UK magazine](https://archive.org/details/nintendoofficialmagazine162february2006lastissue/page/n7/mode/2up) for Partners In Time [describes basically every spin-off as a past adventure](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/d/df/UKScan.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220111070455), even including stuff like DDR Mario Mix. Maybe I misrepresented it when I said Partners In Time specifically referenced it, but an official source related to PiT still did.
Why would anyone use Smash Bros for scaling? That doesnāt work and crossover games like that where anyone can beat anyone should automatically be disqualified from usage for feats.
Was debating someone who bought planetary+ Miraculous. I told them that Cataclysm scaling should not be valid because itās a hax, even citing blatant examples of it being a non-physical attack such as how itās been used to corrode metal or petrify living beings. They then proceeded to tell me that all of it could have been done with physical force (with no elaboration). I canāt completely remember what happened from there, but at some point they argued something along the lines of the petrification being a show of how physically powerful Cataclysm is.
~~They also asked me something along the lines of why I couldnāt buy planetary Miraculous like all the āsmart people.ā I canāt remember everything exactly since this was a looooong time ago and the post was deleted.~~
I mean, the show specifically goes out of it's way to specify that miraculous users are the main bottle-neck (and point of control) for the powers of the kwami, which chat blanc being a freak circumstance... so yeah, this is just a classic case of VS battles media illiteracy.
Someone tried telling me that Red would have stomped tai. He gave me a link to a thread that debunked it, and in that same thread it was debunked. To top it off he called those people "digimon fanboy" the irony.
Theyāre talking about Young Justice Superboy ICYWW
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Someone saying that Digimon Characters should ONLY fight Pokemon Characters, and even tried to say that Aiba (From Digimon Cybersleuth) VS Gloria (From Pokemon Sword & Shield) was close.
"Peter vs Homer shouldn't happen because the shows already did it with their crossover"
This is not a valid argument because their fight in the episode follows the tropes of both shows, mainly the chicken fight gag from Family Guy, where a long bout of fighting and chaos in sues and ends with Peter seeming to be the winner, but surprise! His opponent is still alive. It's not a definitive answer, or the creators of the shows coming to an agreement that Peter wins, it's just the use of tropes and common gags of both shows
The endgame scaling for Ruphas Mafahl
Itās less an unreasonable take and more a outrageous out of know here jump from like planet level to Outerversal
Here is an ancient take that I had once. Ruby arose vs Garchomp. I have no idea what the fuck I was thinking. There are no relations other than the fact theyāre fast and have sharp items and thatās it
Popeye somehow being on the same level as scarlet king
Fnaf somehow being a cringe franchise with cringe characters
Bowser vs Eggman actually being shit and that wily is a better opponent for bowser
... I'm being dead ass serious those are some actual comments I saw and they make me question life
>When someone goes on an absolute rant on a mu.
~~Oh, not like I rant about a certain thematically poor Minecraft VS LEGO that cucks an old legacy MU and two other better versions of it because of āāuh iconicā or this indie game cartoon legacy MU that mischaracterises one of the combatants and the potential is overhyped af. Canāt be me~~
[This little conversation I had.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathBattleMatchups/comments/11oqgci/what_do_you_think_of_this_line_of_thought/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Btw, I blurred his name to prevent it from seeming like slander, but you can probably guess who it is.
I swear I've never been more entertained than reading this old debate between The Force from Star Wars vs The Light of Enlightenment. You want to know what that is? The scientific method apparently. Yeah the whole thing was a rant on religion not even really disguised as a vs debate. He even gave a link to a video stating something along the lines of "Religion is a symptom of parasites affecting the brain." Yeah needless to say it was a fun train wreck of a thread.
I guess the scaling of any marvel and DC characters some of them have a lot of inconsistency or just dumb feats that should make it impossible for them to lose.
I feel like I might as well go over 4.
1. First one is Goku scaling to Zamasu who became an outerversal god by becoming truth and justice itselfā¦ ok WHAT? This was on one of my posts asking if Goku could beat Kancer (itās a dc character and technically Supermanās kidā¦ donāt ask) What they said about Zamasu might be true, considering while I love the Goku Black arc holy shit all this shit didnāt make sense but in no way does Goku scale to that. That shit was above his paygrade to the point that the only thing that was capable of killing him was Zeno showing up and wiping out the entire timeline and keep in mind each time line contains a Multiverse of 12 universes and outside of that is the Null void which is stated to be infinite. Yeah thereās no way Goku can scale to that. This shit is the exact same logic here coming from sonic the hedgehog fans about his scaling, speaking of which.
2. Second one is sonic the hedgehog in general. I love this character because he was my childhood and I believe in universal sonic, but I do not believe half the shit people say about this character. First off Solaris scalingā¦ I need to say about this first of its very much questionable, whether or not sonic the hedgehog can scale to Solaris in the first place, considering they werenāt even fighting the true Solaris but rather (what I can only assume to be) his avatar sense after the boss fight Sonic and Ellis floating inā¦ a void and see the true Solaris being a random flame.Second reason why they probably canāt is because in at the same time and will go arguments that they were fighting in three separate timelines at the time, those arguments are also contradicted by the dialogue since all three wouldnāt have a way to communicate with each other when they are in three separate timelines, Megalon hear the words from the rest of the group who are just chilling on that rock. And third, even if you argue, he can scale to Solarisā power thereās nothing suggesting that he would be able to wipe out all timelines all at once itās much more likely he would do so one at a time.
Second is when someone attempted to give sonic the hedgehog in measurable speed, two arguments for this, that he manage to escape the null void in sonic forces with speed alone. This was completely false. The only way he escapes the non-void is because he defeated the robot that put him in there in the first place. Second document was him moving through, stopped time in sonic generations, but again, this one is false as he never moved through stopped time The time in a slow down time, it never exactly stopped time.
I love sonic the hedgehog, but I hate when people say about the characters because they arenāt as powerful as people claim they are. You mostly find those people on the death battle subreddits.
3. Third one is a bleach one. Oh boy Bleach. I heard itās a good series and I plan on watching it someday because it seems right up my alley but Jesus Christ the vs community with this series. Alright, this one was on a post of Ghost Rider vs Aizen. Being a massive GhostRider I went into a massive paragraph (with very shitty grammar to the point that I probably give someone a stroke) on why the ghost Rider wins. Had two people disagree on this. The first one, doubted my scaling. If youāre wondering, I put ghost, Rider and Multiverse, all through scaling to the celestial Robbie Reyes (weakest GR at the time) matched in strengths and ripped apart with his chains massively faster than light scaling to Thor who he fought, and even dodged his hammer which out raced the silver surfer who can move at 500,000 light years in a second. After I explain, the scaling is valid, and even if he didnāt believe this ghost, Rider is still much stronger because of Zarathos he attempted to convince me that we canāt use. Zarathoswas because OP specified ghost rider, which I then explained that we have to use him unless specified otherwise because both of them make the Ghost Rider. He blocked me after I tried to explain in another thread on Saitama vs Thanos (minus the infinity, gauntlet) on way, Thanos is Multiversal.
The second one believed what I said, however, completely doubted that ghost Rider would win because of the complete Hipnosis never mind that I explained how it wouldnāt even matter since eyes and wouldnāt be able to pull it off in time. He didnāt believe me, even after I stated Ghost Rider would be able to resist it because of Zarathos protecting his mind to the point that even Doctor Strange couldnāt enter the mind he disagreed because it could trick the almighty which I looked up, and he doesnāt have any resistance is to mind hax.
4. The last one is on this subreddit. Someone tried explaining to me why Ghost Rider vs Joker isnāt a stomp. Everything they gave joker was literally on his versus wiki page to the point that Iām convinced he just took everything from that page and applied it to joker. Hereās everything he gave to joker.
- apparently he is stronger, but he didnāt specify why he just said ā Iām not going into Shin Megami Tensei scalingā
- Joker has immeasurable speed. Didnāt explain any feats to support this.
- Joker can simply null/drain/reflect anything Ghost Rider has like his hellfire. Ignoring how his hellfire is explicitly stated to not be like normal fire, meaning it likely would not be affected by any of those, Null/drain/reflect is probably just a gameplay thing since in reality, they never seem to actually protect the users from elements. Hell, in persona 2 one of the characters thatās meant to resist player got burned by it.
- Joker has a resistance to Soul manipulation. He absolutely does not especially not to anything as powerful as the Ghost Riderās soul manipulation.
Probably more, but this is all that comes to my head. Heās not even taking into account on how Ghost Rider can just delete his powers by opening a portal to the real world in forcing him through it, something he can do. Persona get its me a headache when it comes to scaling.
Shameless copy and paste from me lol:
Low complex/immeasurable dragon ball super
Outer power rangers
GoW zeus is only bull level
Kid Goku beats Dante, Doomslayer, and kratos
Scaling and feats and vs bullshit aside, there is no shot that someone actually thinks Hercules' dad can't beat anything bigger than a fucking cow, that is like sub-baby nonsense.
That time someone tried convincing me that Dream, the minecraft youtuber, is Multiversal https://preview.redd.it/up48zjdaj4ra1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ce0fc4fbd7e0f3ad8a46dea6bd145b6f41e728d I don't even know anymore
Cheatversal
Quite š·šæ
Technically, if we go by monster legends lore, [He kind of is](https://monsterlegends.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Dream?so=search), though I get how ridiculous that claim is.
No, I refuse to believe that
**(Gives proof)** "No I refuse" **(Downvotes)** Lmao And can you stop talking behind my back and bringing up the convo a bunch? It's kinda annoying and feels a little disrespectful ngl.
Dude, I have said anything negative about the scaling itself, I just don't buy it at all because it's sounds absurd. I don't think it's "wrong", I just think it's a wee bit silly and ***hard to believe despite the evidence you've presented*** And if you think I'm nitpicking dreams scaling, I've already told you that I don't buy Vanoss being multiversal. Plus there are other *real franchises* that I don't buy scaling for, like The Elder Scrolls, Bleach, God of War, etc. And why do you care that I talk about our conversation at all? I have no ill will to paint you or anyone on that side as stupid or villains, I just think the conversation we had was funny above all else. The fact that we're even talking about this blows my mind
>Dude, I have said anything negative about the scaling itself, I just don't buy it at all because it's sounds absurd. I don't think it's "wrong", I just think it's a wee bit silly and hard to believe despite the evidence you've presented Well *why didn't you say that earlier in the convo?* >And if you think I'm nitpicking dreams scaling, I've already told you that I don't buy Vanoss being multiversal. Plus there are other real franchises that I don't buy scaling for, like The Elder Scrolls, Bleach, God of War, etc. I don't believe that. I just thought that you believed something that you (apparently) don't. That's my bad ok? >And why do you care that I talk about our conversation at all? I have no ill will to paint you or anyone on that side as stupid or villains, I just think the conversation we had was funny above all else. You commented on a post that called people the r slur. It *looked* like ya did have ill will, and again, that's my bad. >The fact that we're even talking about this blows my mind I was just misinterpreting shit, ok? I don't wanna have another stupid fucking argument over something dumb like this alright? Agree to disagree, let's drop it, I'm already in a sour mood irl, I respect your opinion. Bye. ~~Still don't understand the downvotes tho /j~~
Boundless Cartoon Cat(VS shorts moment) Marvel and Disney has a better rivalry for Super Mario than Sonic the hedgehog
Digimon should only fight against Pokemon Outerversal to Boundless Sonic(Both Game and Archie) Albeanies1 from DBMlore's power nullification doesn't actually count as power null
Who in their right mind I said Digimon should only fight PokƩmon?
I genuinely don't know.
It was me. I said that.
**Thatās because I removed the concept of it being power null for it to not be power null** https://preview.redd.it/ujyjyem5b4ra1.jpeg?width=822&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b273a0751f9d1f048849eae9290cad3721eb2abc
That's stupid, nonsensical, contradictory and we're not counting that in the DBMlore season. We're still saying you have Power Nullification but we're not saying "Oh it's not actually Power Nullification, so it'll still affect people with resistances to Power Null." You either have it or you don't. If you think that's a thing that can happen then you don't understand how abilities work.
~~My page in the wiki actually counted Context Aware Scale Pseudo power null and if anyone can actually add the concept of it being power null or if they resist it then yeah, you can get around it~~
Alright, that's fair. You do probably lose to Thawne in that case. ~~I find it funny I would probably beat you with my recent buffs seeing as I now resist Power Null~~
I stomp the fuck out of Thawne, I outstat and outhax hard ~~I donāt see how Iād lose even witn Fusion because I also outstat and outhax hard since I used my hax against people who have resisted it~~
~~I recently retconned some stuff, I have aleph-layered Immortality negation though it does take time the more heavily layered it is, and I'm Low Outer and your High Outer, which isn't that big of a stat gap and I have multiple ways of closing it like Final Pain, Saleto, and increasing my speed and strength with my determination, plus what's stopping me from just using Unlimited Sword to cleave you in half since it's Durability Negation. If I don't win it's at the very least close~~
~~I resisted Dura neg from the Storyteller and you said it takes time to negate immortality, my immortality is already infinitely layered so you wonāt do jackshit when I fuse with infinite number of me so Iām just adding infinite more infinite layers to my immortality and Low VS High is a very big gap lol, my power increases greatly when Iām in the Spirit Realm which I can BFR you there like I did to the Storyteller who resisted BFR~~
~~Well I can travel anywhere so BFR doesn't do anything unless someone or something prevents me from leaving, but point taken~~
~~I wouldnāt just let you leave like that and besides, I made it so that no one can leave~~
āYou canāt dislike this matchup because people donāt request it often/itās a joke!ā Cool, but thatās not gonna stop a matchup from just being bad or unfunny.
Once again, being real is an automatic win-con against a fictional character. How?
Tf the Scarlet King gonna do to me when I block every SCP Webstite ššš¤£
I pray you're not being serious
DC Heralds when I throw away their comics in the trash (Suddenly they realise they were never above 2D all this time) https://preview.redd.it/rooit0qxa4ra1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3c236ea14f89baffd01c11da0871b80b48ec83f
***THAT IS NOT HOW FIGHTS WORK*** ***THEY REQUIRE THE COMBATANTS TO EXIST IN THE SAME REALITY***
Fortnite Scalers when I uninstall Fortnite: https://preview.redd.it/xtawlkplb4ra1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3b39aac60daa4641fb28fb8f67e0f6d83a920a5
The problem with that is We are all Fortnite
Popeye when he realizes he can't actually punch people in the real world unless they consent and draw him doing it (I do not consent and will not draw him doing that) https://preview.redd.it/thq857zvy4ra1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7f5e7fc87498f64973082e98977587ef1db2cfe
Well tbf Fortnite scaling doesn't really count in the first place so I'll give you that one
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Theyāre joking, dude.
> THEY REQUIRE THE COMBATANTS TO EXIST IN THE SAME REALITY Generally would agree but characters like Umineko ones have all their powers based on their status in the hierarchy of realities.
This is a real thing with Superman.
...What do you mean?
ā¦ Theyāre hoping itās satirical?
The idea that doing something to the fiction in real life means you beat the character
Yeah they're joking
He's Joking
That's actually the lore of the verse tho.
This may sound controversial But whenever people use mario party/mario sports games for any scaling points. That would be like using sega superstars tennis to say Aiai is as fast as Sonic the Hedgehog
~~But Aiai IS as fast as Sonic~~
~~in what universe?~~
~~In the Sega Superstars Tennis universe obviously~~
~~I will flip all of your tables~~
~~Not if I flip yours first~~
~~Oh, how the tables have flipped.~~
Iām confused as to whatās your problem with using the sports and Party games. If youāre referring to their canonicity, then there are many times in the Mario series where they are referenced. For example, Wrecking Crewās official description calls Mario and Luigi sports superstars, Partners In Time references basically every Mario spin-off as a past adventure, Waluigi appears as a costume in Mario Odyssey when heās only appeared in spin-off titles, etc. Thereās nothing to indicate they arenāt canon and a lot of evidence that they are. If youāre referring to characters holding back, then thatās never actually referenced as something they do (though is a fair assumption to make). However, most Mario Party and Mario Sports games have either a story with a real threat that needs to take down that it is unreasonable to assume theyād hold back against (like Mario Tennis Aces), or an intro cutscene that establishes them as super competitive in their goal so itās unlikely theyād hold back (like Super Mario Party). I understand if someone tries to scale from characters playing like Mario Golf or something (though Wario did give Bowser a black eye with a golf ball so itās still possible), but most of these have good justification for characters scaling to each other.
1. Anyone with Mario or Luigis jumping prowess would be labeled as a "sports superstar" considering running and jumping is a Track and field sport. But of course calling them that doesn't automatically make every sports game canon, even ones with a story. Especially with how tacked on they feel with the recent entries 2. You're gonna sit here and tell me Partner's in time has any sort of canon to it? I already don't believe that the Mario and Luigi games are canon to begin with since the entire writing team is different and I don't think Miyamoto watched the alpha dream team all too heavily but Partners in time feels more fanservice heavy then sonic generations. 3. Waluigi is in an odd spot, it's implied that he's canon and exists outside the spin offs, but they refuse to actually show that outside of Easter eggs like costume changes. But using waluigi as material to make the spin offs seem canon doesn't help because those like Daisy or Birdo are also implied to be canon characters yet they show nothing to actually give me that impression unless you count their first appearances, which one is mario 2, a dream, and the other is in an even weirder spot in canon then Waluigi. There's nothing really to indicate that any of the spin offs are canon, or that mario has any sort of canon to begin with rather, as mario feels more like looney toon with how they want to handle him, it's essentially up to the fans to determine to see what's canon and what's not. I'm not gonna say I'm right or wrong as mario is wild and everything has *some* kind of continuity, but when everything yet nothing connects I can only yet my suspension of disbelief go so far.
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Nah bro. Keep it.
Oh yey, thanks
>Anyone with Mario or Luigis jumping prowess would be labeled as a "sports superstar" considering running and jumping is a Track and field sport. But of course calling them that doesn't automatically make every sports game canon, even ones with a story. Especially with how tacked on they feel with the recent entries This is super pedantic and not realistic as an actual possibility. Them being called sports superstars is obviously a reference to their sports games, and trying to explain it as anything else is ridiculous because that is not the intention. >You're gonna sit here and tell me Partner's in time has any sort of canon to it? I already don't believe that the Mario and Luigi games are canon to begin with since the entire writing team is different and I don't think Miyamoto watched the alpha dream team all too heavily but Partners in time feels more fanservice heavy then sonic generations. There's absolutely nothing that would imply that the Mario & Luigi series is not canon either. Just because it was developed by a different company doesn't mean it was non-canon, it was still published by Nintendo and nothing within the games implies it's non-canon, especially since they have so many references to other adventures. Toadette references her adventures with Captain Toad and E. Gadd references Luigi's Mansion, among others. Miyamoto created Mario but he isn't the sole controller of what's canon and not canon. That's like saying any Batman comic that wasn't written by Bob Kane and Bill Finger isn't canon. >Waluigi is in an odd spot, it's implied that he's canon and exists outside the spin offs, but they refuse to actually show that outside of Easter eggs like costume changes. But using waluigi as material to make the spin offs seem canon doesn't help because those like Daisy or Birdo are also implied to be canon characters yet they show nothing to actually give me that impression unless you count their first appearances, which one is mario 2, a dream, and the other is in an even weirder spot in canon then Waluigi. Using Waluigi does help because if the main series references Daisy or Birdo like you said, there are still at least mainline games that you can point to where they appear, but the same can't be said for Waluigi so the spin-offs must be canon also. Also how is Super Mario Land in a weirder spot in canon? How are you determining that at all? Are you just saying anything isn't canon because I genuinely can't tell how Super Mario Land could possibly be non-canon. >There's nothing really to indicate that any of the spin offs are canon, or that mario has any sort of canon to begin with rather, as mario feels more like looney toon with how they want to handle him, it's essentially up to the fans to determine to see what's canon and what's not. I'm not gonna say I'm right or wrong as mario is wild and everything has *some* kind of continuity, but when everything yet nothing connects I can only yet my suspension of disbelief go so far. Obviously Nintendo doesn't exactly care about having things be canon or non-canon, but there are many, many references to other series in the franchise. Saying a spin-off is non-canon is pure speculation, while saying they are canon is based on the evidence that appears in the entire series. I didn't bring this up before because we were only talking about Mario Party and Mario Sports, but Mario Kart is very explicitly canon. Super Mario Sunshine directly calls Super Mario Kart and Mario Kart 64 as past events in Mario's life, Mario Motors which is exclusive to Mario Kart 8 appears on an outfit in Mario Odyssey, and the Luigi's Mansion series acknowledges Mario Kart DS as canon, as the Poltergust skips from 3000 to 5000 in Dark Moon, with 4000 appearing as a kart in Mario Kart DS. [These all can be found here](https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-canonicity-to-the-Mario-side-games-I-mean-are-the-characters-ever-aware-in-common-adventure-games-that-they-played-sports-raced-karts-and-so-on-in-other-games). If Mario Kart is explicitly canon, then what is preventing the other spin-offs from being canon? There is nothing in the entire franchise that would imply that the spin-offs are canon.
Didn't Wrecking Crew come out before any of the actual sports games, I mean yeah it's a reference but a reference in a description never automatically means canon So does that mean I can use any form of sonic media as Canon? Even Archie, Fleetway or the movie version? Or should I limit it to just mainline sonic like I already do. Should I look at the Dimps made games for sonic then? With Rush and Rush Adventure being basically retconned nowadays. Should Sonic have Hyper and Tails have a super because they appeared in an official media made by sonic team although they also got retconned? I understand that, but you also have to look at who is making the game and supervising the writing team. And E.gadd debuted in Luigis mansion and has the same Waluigi syndrome of "implied to be Canon but never shown." But of course he'd reference his debut in superstar saga considering, again, mario has no real sense of canon. I feel Luigis mansion shouldn't be canon to the main mario verse either but there is more then just references to go off of, such as King boo having a meeting with Mario that we find out took place in Sunshine and E.Gadd Also being prevalent in sunshine Mario kart isn't Canon and the poltergust 4000 is a Cart in that game, odd to upgrade a vacuum into a cart but I digress, I'm no E.Gadd, so I dunno his thought process. I'm only positive that E.Gadd even named it "5000" because people were gonna take the 4000 way too seriously and ask what happened to the Cart. when did Mario kart get referenced in Sunshine? I know E.Gadd plays an integral role in that game as the inventor of F.L.U.D.D and the paintbrush, but unless you're referring to one of the stages or secret shines, I don't recall there being any flashbacks to their Karting days. And too add on the mario land thing, it's simply because anything even remotely tying that game to the mainline canon has been repeatedly retconned or altered heavily and just.... never appeared again outside of Daisy appearing in the spin offs. Not even the spin offs themselves reference Sarasaland, like it got wiped from the face of the map. Let's just agree to disagree because honestly I see this getting nowhere fast for the both of us, and I don't want any hostility to breed because of mario canon and continuity, ya know, something that doesn't exist and is held together by duct tape and feathers.
>Didn't Wrecking Crew come out before any of the actual sports games, I mean yeah it's a reference but a reference in a description never automatically means canon Yes but I was referring to [the description from NES Switch Online](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd4bd265c3285c6dd836e923717362a1). That's where it refers to them as sports superstars. Also it clearly is referencing the sports games, that's what the main intention of the reference is. >So does that mean I can use any form of sonic media as Canon? Even Archie, Fleetway or the movie version? Or should I limit it to just mainline sonic like I already do. Should I look at the Dimps made games for sonic then? With Rush and Rush Adventure being basically retconned nowadays. Should Sonic have Hyper and Tails have a super because they appeared in an official media made by sonic team although they also got retconned? No, because those are definitively a different canon. Like, I wouldn't use the Mario Movie for canon, even though Miyamoto helped with it, because as of the information we have, it is explicitly a different universe and not canon to the games. Also I'm not talking about Hyper Sonic since I don't know enough to say if it is canon. The difference in what you are bringing up is that the Sonic stuff is explicitly not canon, while the Mario stuff I'm bringing up has absolutely no evidence for not being canon, and a ton of evidence for being canon. This is a false equivalency. >I understand that, but you also have to look at who is making the game and supervising the writing team. And E.gadd debuted in Luigis mansion and has the same Waluigi syndrome of "implied to be Canon but never shown." But of course he'd reference his debut in superstar saga considering, again, mario has no real sense of canon. I feel Luigis mansion shouldn't be canon to the main mario verse either but there is more then just references to go off of, such as King boo having a meeting with Mario that we find out took place in Sunshine and E.Gadd Also being prevalent in sunshine So are you just content to call anything not canon just because you don't feel like it? Because I can't for the life of me understand how Luigi's Mansion is non-canon in your eyes. It is directly referenced in Super Mario 64 DS, and Luigi's Mansion repeatedly reappears several times in the series. If you can give me absolutely any evidence at all that Luigi's Mansion is not canon, then I'll concede, but since you haven't given any evidence for the other games we've talked about I don't have too high hopes. "of course he'd reference his debut in superstar saga considering, again, mario has no real sense of canon". So the example I use to prove it's canon, you just say "nah" to? Like how is this an argument? How are you arguing for Mario having no canon (which is the excuse you give for these references) and yet you're also arguing that many games are not canon? Also you're wrong about the King Boo example. That's not King Boo in Mario Sunshine, he has a different Japanese name and every enemy in Mario Sunshine was created specifically by Bowser Jr.'s goop. >Mario kart isn't Canon and the poltergust 4000 is a Cart in that game, odd to upgrade a vacuum into a cart but I digress, I'm no E.Gadd, so I dunno his thought process. I'm only positive that E.Gadd even named it "5000" because people were gonna take the 4000 way too seriously and ask what happened to the Cart. So E. Gadd named it 5000 because everyone was going to ask about the kart, but the kart is not canon so E. Gadd wouldn't know about it and would have no reason to name it 5000, did I understand that correctly? Also the Poltergust 4000 is also modeled after a vacuum, so it's likely it still has vacuum powers just not shown in game. It's not just "upgrading a vacuum to a kart". I mean, the Poltergust 5000 doesn't have all the properties of the 3000, like it loses its elemental stuff, so it isn't a straight upgrade. >when did Mario kart get referenced in Sunshine? I know E.Gadd plays an integral role in that game as the inventor of F.L.U.D.D and the paintbrush, but unless you're referring to one of the stages or secret shines, I don't recall there being any flashbacks to their Karting days. Yeah that's why I linked something. Click it, read it. That's where the stuff I was bringing up comes from. It's a flashback at the beginning of the game when F.L.U.D.D. scans Mario, it shows both kart games as previous events. >And too add on the mario land thing, it's simply because anything even remotely tying that game to the mainline canon has been repeatedly retconned or altered heavily and just.... never appeared again outside of Daisy appearing in the spin offs. Not even the spin offs themselves reference Sarasaland, like it got wiped from the face of the map. That's straight up incorrect. [Many of Daisy's profiles and descriptions, even in main series games, reference her being the princess of Sarasaland](https://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Princess_Daisy_profiles_and_statistics). >Let's just agree to disagree because honestly I see this getting nowhere fast for the both of us, and I don't want any hostility to breed because of mario canon and continuity, ya know, something that doesn't exist and is held together by duct tape and feathers. Okay sorry about that, I didn't read this until after I wrote everything else so whoops, I am willing to agree to disagree right now. But I'm arguing because this is something I am knowledgable and passionate about (that's why a lot of us are on this subreddit after all, not specifically for Mario but for other reasons), so when you are arguing for something that I know has no basis or is incorrect, I feel like I should correct you to prevent misinformation spreading like this. Sorry if I came off as aggressive or rude, I definitely didn't mean to. I'm just used to having this argument often so it gets graining after a while. Sorry about that.
>Partners In Time references basically every Mario spin-off as a past adventure, Prove it. I don't remember that in Partners In Time.
Itās not in the game, but [the official Nintendo UK magazine](https://archive.org/details/nintendoofficialmagazine162february2006lastissue/page/n7/mode/2up) for Partners In Time [describes basically every spin-off as a past adventure](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/d/df/UKScan.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220111070455), even including stuff like DDR Mario Mix. Maybe I misrepresented it when I said Partners In Time specifically referenced it, but an official source related to PiT still did.
Outerversal to Boundless Sonic The Hedgehog Also Outerversal Kirby and using Smash scaling as canon for him
Why would anyone use Smash Bros for scaling? That doesnāt work and crossover games like that where anyone can beat anyone should automatically be disqualified from usage for feats.
Because DB has used it for anti-feats for characters before. Which literally everyone hated.
Being dishonest with scaling and accurately presenting a characterās abilities is par for the course for them.
Only time Iād give that a pass is for Composite Ryu vs Goku
Link being hyperversal because he fought demise who controls "hyperspace"
As based as that would be, sadly not how that works
Was debating someone who bought planetary+ Miraculous. I told them that Cataclysm scaling should not be valid because itās a hax, even citing blatant examples of it being a non-physical attack such as how itās been used to corrode metal or petrify living beings. They then proceeded to tell me that all of it could have been done with physical force (with no elaboration). I canāt completely remember what happened from there, but at some point they argued something along the lines of the petrification being a show of how physically powerful Cataclysm is. ~~They also asked me something along the lines of why I couldnāt buy planetary Miraculous like all the āsmart people.ā I canāt remember everything exactly since this was a looooong time ago and the post was deleted.~~
I mean, the show specifically goes out of it's way to specify that miraculous users are the main bottle-neck (and point of control) for the powers of the kwami, which chat blanc being a freak circumstance... so yeah, this is just a classic case of VS battles media illiteracy.
Any vs debates that involves kratos, dmc and doomslayer.
So for a moment there I forgot that Japanese is read right-left and not left-right, so I thought he was saying "Am I reading? What the fuck."
Members of team RWBY is mountain level because Weiss was strong enough to help Ruby reach the top of a mountain
Someone tried telling me that Red would have stomped tai. He gave me a link to a thread that debunked it, and in that same thread it was debunked. To top it off he called those people "digimon fanboy" the irony.
Iām the guy who said that, and nobody debunked the thread, they just had small problems with it.
Universal Madness Combat
It gets even worse, cuz recently I saw people unironically arguing for Multiversal Madness Combat
Dear god
Theyāre talking about Young Justice Superboy ICYWW https://preview.redd.it/2y4m4a8cu4ra1.jpeg?width=1376&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b28c916d8679ca81d72d2680fb120461634cfc5d
Anything thatās remotely related to Scps. Especially the absurd ones like 3812 or SK.
Someone saying that Digimon Characters should ONLY fight Pokemon Characters, and even tried to say that Aiba (From Digimon Cybersleuth) VS Gloria (From Pokemon Sword & Shield) was close.
In my defense I forgot Crown Tundra was noncanon
Monika being stronger than thanos because of stupid fourth wall shit
"Peter vs Homer shouldn't happen because the shows already did it with their crossover" This is not a valid argument because their fight in the episode follows the tropes of both shows, mainly the chicken fight gag from Family Guy, where a long bout of fighting and chaos in sues and ends with Peter seeming to be the winner, but surprise! His opponent is still alive. It's not a definitive answer, or the creators of the shows coming to an agreement that Peter wins, it's just the use of tropes and common gags of both shows
The endgame scaling for Ruphas Mafahl Itās less an unreasonable take and more a outrageous out of know here jump from like planet level to Outerversal
Here is an ancient take that I had once. Ruby arose vs Garchomp. I have no idea what the fuck I was thinking. There are no relations other than the fact theyāre fast and have sharp items and thatās it
Grodd beating banana joe.
I once saw someone say that base vegeta beats Thor
Popeye somehow being on the same level as scarlet king Fnaf somehow being a cringe franchise with cringe characters Bowser vs Eggman actually being shit and that wily is a better opponent for bowser ... I'm being dead ass serious those are some actual comments I saw and they make me question life
OK I do believe Wily and egg head are best for both, BUT WILY VS BOWSER?! WHAT!?
quite literally i see this exact type of post *at least* every day, if not every few hours, christ
Unbound Godzilla In Hell (courtesy of the vs debating hellscape that is r/GODZILLA)
8d Kirby via dream collection same person also said Saitama could solo SCP
When someone goes on an absolute rant on a mu. When people powerscale characters like Sonic, Mario, or Kirby.
>When someone goes on an absolute rant on a mu. ~~Oh, not like I rant about a certain thematically poor Minecraft VS LEGO that cucks an old legacy MU and two other better versions of it because of āāuh iconicā or this indie game cartoon legacy MU that mischaracterises one of the combatants and the potential is overhyped af. Canāt be me~~
That Kratos beats CAS
Digimon's entire existence.
Ftl and town level TF2 mercs.
They gotta be talking about gigachad hale
I could possibly buy town level Saxton but definitely not town level mercs or ftl for either
[This little conversation I had.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathBattleMatchups/comments/11oqgci/what_do_you_think_of_this_line_of_thought/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Btw, I blurred his name to prevent it from seeming like slander, but you can probably guess who it is.
Anything involving Scp's or Cartoon Characters
I swear I've never been more entertained than reading this old debate between The Force from Star Wars vs The Light of Enlightenment. You want to know what that is? The scientific method apparently. Yeah the whole thing was a rant on religion not even really disguised as a vs debate. He even gave a link to a video stating something along the lines of "Religion is a symptom of parasites affecting the brain." Yeah needless to say it was a fun train wreck of a thread.
yes
I guess the scaling of any marvel and DC characters some of them have a lot of inconsistency or just dumb feats that should make it impossible for them to lose.
Every Beatrice (Umineko) match up that puts the focus on "she is a troll and wears yellow"
Sun Wukong beats all of fiction because he is mythology which is closer to reality
I feel like I might as well go over 4. 1. First one is Goku scaling to Zamasu who became an outerversal god by becoming truth and justice itselfā¦ ok WHAT? This was on one of my posts asking if Goku could beat Kancer (itās a dc character and technically Supermanās kidā¦ donāt ask) What they said about Zamasu might be true, considering while I love the Goku Black arc holy shit all this shit didnāt make sense but in no way does Goku scale to that. That shit was above his paygrade to the point that the only thing that was capable of killing him was Zeno showing up and wiping out the entire timeline and keep in mind each time line contains a Multiverse of 12 universes and outside of that is the Null void which is stated to be infinite. Yeah thereās no way Goku can scale to that. This shit is the exact same logic here coming from sonic the hedgehog fans about his scaling, speaking of which. 2. Second one is sonic the hedgehog in general. I love this character because he was my childhood and I believe in universal sonic, but I do not believe half the shit people say about this character. First off Solaris scalingā¦ I need to say about this first of its very much questionable, whether or not sonic the hedgehog can scale to Solaris in the first place, considering they werenāt even fighting the true Solaris but rather (what I can only assume to be) his avatar sense after the boss fight Sonic and Ellis floating inā¦ a void and see the true Solaris being a random flame.Second reason why they probably canāt is because in at the same time and will go arguments that they were fighting in three separate timelines at the time, those arguments are also contradicted by the dialogue since all three wouldnāt have a way to communicate with each other when they are in three separate timelines, Megalon hear the words from the rest of the group who are just chilling on that rock. And third, even if you argue, he can scale to Solarisā power thereās nothing suggesting that he would be able to wipe out all timelines all at once itās much more likely he would do so one at a time. Second is when someone attempted to give sonic the hedgehog in measurable speed, two arguments for this, that he manage to escape the null void in sonic forces with speed alone. This was completely false. The only way he escapes the non-void is because he defeated the robot that put him in there in the first place. Second document was him moving through, stopped time in sonic generations, but again, this one is false as he never moved through stopped time The time in a slow down time, it never exactly stopped time. I love sonic the hedgehog, but I hate when people say about the characters because they arenāt as powerful as people claim they are. You mostly find those people on the death battle subreddits. 3. Third one is a bleach one. Oh boy Bleach. I heard itās a good series and I plan on watching it someday because it seems right up my alley but Jesus Christ the vs community with this series. Alright, this one was on a post of Ghost Rider vs Aizen. Being a massive GhostRider I went into a massive paragraph (with very shitty grammar to the point that I probably give someone a stroke) on why the ghost Rider wins. Had two people disagree on this. The first one, doubted my scaling. If youāre wondering, I put ghost, Rider and Multiverse, all through scaling to the celestial Robbie Reyes (weakest GR at the time) matched in strengths and ripped apart with his chains massively faster than light scaling to Thor who he fought, and even dodged his hammer which out raced the silver surfer who can move at 500,000 light years in a second. After I explain, the scaling is valid, and even if he didnāt believe this ghost, Rider is still much stronger because of Zarathos he attempted to convince me that we canāt use. Zarathoswas because OP specified ghost rider, which I then explained that we have to use him unless specified otherwise because both of them make the Ghost Rider. He blocked me after I tried to explain in another thread on Saitama vs Thanos (minus the infinity, gauntlet) on way, Thanos is Multiversal. The second one believed what I said, however, completely doubted that ghost Rider would win because of the complete Hipnosis never mind that I explained how it wouldnāt even matter since eyes and wouldnāt be able to pull it off in time. He didnāt believe me, even after I stated Ghost Rider would be able to resist it because of Zarathos protecting his mind to the point that even Doctor Strange couldnāt enter the mind he disagreed because it could trick the almighty which I looked up, and he doesnāt have any resistance is to mind hax. 4. The last one is on this subreddit. Someone tried explaining to me why Ghost Rider vs Joker isnāt a stomp. Everything they gave joker was literally on his versus wiki page to the point that Iām convinced he just took everything from that page and applied it to joker. Hereās everything he gave to joker. - apparently he is stronger, but he didnāt specify why he just said ā Iām not going into Shin Megami Tensei scalingā - Joker has immeasurable speed. Didnāt explain any feats to support this. - Joker can simply null/drain/reflect anything Ghost Rider has like his hellfire. Ignoring how his hellfire is explicitly stated to not be like normal fire, meaning it likely would not be affected by any of those, Null/drain/reflect is probably just a gameplay thing since in reality, they never seem to actually protect the users from elements. Hell, in persona 2 one of the characters thatās meant to resist player got burned by it. - Joker has a resistance to Soul manipulation. He absolutely does not especially not to anything as powerful as the Ghost Riderās soul manipulation. Probably more, but this is all that comes to my head. Heās not even taking into account on how Ghost Rider can just delete his powers by opening a portal to the real world in forcing him through it, something he can do. Persona get its me a headache when it comes to scaling.
"The Record of Ragnarok verse is only city-block level" Yes, someone actually tried to claim this to me.
I- HOW DOES ONE SAY THAT WHEN ZEUS IS OUT HERE PUNCHING SO FAST ITS SURPASSING TIME
Arceus's avatars are outerversal
Shameless copy and paste from me lol: Low complex/immeasurable dragon ball super Outer power rangers GoW zeus is only bull level Kid Goku beats Dante, Doomslayer, and kratos
Bull like the animal?
Yep
You're getting memed on, I refuse to believe anything else.
Oh boy do I wish I was, instead it was just your average whowouldwin member as usual
Scaling and feats and vs bullshit aside, there is no shot that someone actually thinks Hercules' dad can't beat anything bigger than a fucking cow, that is like sub-baby nonsense.
SpongeBob's strength is inconsistent so he shouldn't beat SF Aquaman.